Bar owner boiling as PETA protests his 'crane game'
By Alan Gathright, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published July 3, 2008 at 11:38 a.m.
Barry Gutierrez / The Rocky
Peering into the Lobster Zone machine, where people try to hook a live lobster with a toy crane, are Cameron King, left, and Catlin Hedee. People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals is protesting the game at JD's Bait Shop in Greenwood Village.
When a loyal patron urged JD's Bait Shop to remove a "game" where people pay $2 to try to hook a live lobster with a toy crane for a free dinner, the Greenwood Village sports bar and grill decided to pull the plug on the Lobster Zone.
Then People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals issued a boiling mad letter to bar owner Dennis McCann - released first to the news media - saying "abusing animals for cheap 'amusement' in order to make a few extra dollars is unethical and unacceptable, and I hope that you will remove the Lobster Zone machine immediately."
"JD's Lobster Zone machine turns torture and death into a game, pure and simple," PETA Vice President Tracy Reiman said in the news release.
"Incarcerating lobsters in filthy tanks inside a boisterous club, making an abusive game out of their capture, and finally boiling them to death is every bit as reprehensible as tormenting cats, dogs, or any other animal," the release said.
A PETA official has been repeatedly calling McCann's home and restaurant, demanding: "When is he going to take this out?" the bar owner said.
Now a steamed McCann is refusing to surrender to what he is calling lobster-loving "whack jobs."
"If they would have never said a word to me, then it would be removed by now," McCann told a reporter.
"But now that they've blown this thing out of proportion, I've had 50 people call me, saying: 'Don't bow down to these people. Don't do it.' "
Crustacean clash
The topper: Someone - McCann suspects PETA - filed a complaint, and an animal cruelty investigator arrived Tuesday to inspect the Lobster Zone tank, similar to those vendors have placed in a dozen metro-area restaurants, paying eatery owners a fee.
The investigator found the tank in compliance, with the water clean and the right temperature and the lobsters' claws properly banded, said Dayna Reggero, spokeswoman for the Dumb Friends League.
"The case has been closed," she said.
Standing his ground
McCann, whose grill doesn't serve lobsters except for those caught by the toy cranes, said: "Think of how many lobsters are going to be eaten on the Fourth of July?
"I'd rather stay below the radar screen on this deal, and I wish it would just go away," he said.
"But if I just give in and take the thing out, then they've won. I've empowered these people," he said. "So, I'm going to hold my ground and once they get off my case, maybe I will take it out then."
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July 3, 2008
11:53 a.m.
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Buckwheat writes:
PETA (huff you stole my thunder, ha) A bigger bunch of hypocrites you'll never meet. Dennis, don't you dare do it....
July 3, 2008
11:53 a.m.
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Dude writes:
they should serve fried clams, shrimp cocktail and tenderloin cuts with that.
July 3, 2008
11:53 a.m.
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Diff writes:
To me it is "painful" to listen to these goody goodys from PETA -
I am getting a big ol steak - firing up my charcoal grill and Enjoying it this week end - and I'll being doing my part as I'll be staying home and not driving this weekend -
July 3, 2008
11:54 a.m.
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davies writes:
You tell 'em McCann! While you're at it, put in another game with a wrecking ball instead of a crane. That way the customers can bonk the lobster's head in, instead of catching it.
And instead of a volleyball court, how about putting in a dodgeball court with one side for PETA, one side for non-PETA. Let the games begin!
July 3, 2008
11:56 a.m.
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iggypuppet writes:
C'mon Dennis... being the good Alabama boy that you are, if you found a squirrel on the side of the road, you'd BBQ it! lol
Gotta be loving the free advertising, tho!
Think the next step is filling a machine with cute little hotties and letting the wolves in the bar use the crane to pluck one and take her home! lol
July 3, 2008
12:03 p.m.
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cjcalbuddy writes:
um i hate to tell all you animal rights people out there that lobsters lack the ability to feel pain... in no way we cook or kill a lobster can it be considered cruel... THEY CAN'T FEEL ANYTHING!!!!!!!!
July 3, 2008
12:05 p.m.
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LingLingfor_prez writes:
Yes Huffdiver, People for the Eating of Tasty Animals. Lobster sounds good right now too.
July 3, 2008
12:05 p.m.
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IRUNMAN writes:
Sheesh, enough with the same acronym huffdiver! Have only heard that one about 150 times.
I think cows have teeth too and they do not eat meat?
Honestly, though, if cute lil puppies were put in a clean cage, had ample water and food, only for the humans to direct a claw from the ceiling, maneuver the claw to pick up a puppy, then boil the puppy alive only to eat it, I have to say people would look at this story way differently.
Why is it any different if it's a pig, lobster, cat or horse? I don't understand that. All animals feel pain. ALL.
I admit, some of PETA's tactics are very "in your face" but they kind of have to be. Humans have learned to ignore and accept animal ABUSE as "thats the way it has always been."
Animals don't have a voice. PETA, animal rights activists, compassionate humans are their voice.
July 3, 2008
12:06 p.m.
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musicman80 writes:
Lobsters are great for grub!
They love the boiling water.
July 3, 2008
12:07 p.m.
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Dude writes:
anyone want to meet at Red Lobster for lunch???
July 3, 2008
12:08 p.m.
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IRUNMAN writes:
Tell me LingLing how lobsters don't feel pain?
I am honestly curious....
July 3, 2008
12:08 p.m.
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RickyLee writes:
Well, I'm running my smoker this weekend...PRIME RIB!!!!
And I'm gonna eat a big, thick, bloody piece of it, how bout that, PETA?
July 3, 2008
12:11 p.m.
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Dude writes:
they dont feel pain because they are invertebraes.
July 3, 2008
12:13 p.m.
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MattGuyver_007 writes:
PETA places animal welfare above that of humans. PETA and those that support their shameless tactics belong at the bottom of the pile. Can't they see the hypocrisy of their actions?
July 3, 2008
12:13 p.m.
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davies writes:
IRUNMAN: The reason this story is ludicrous is because there is no reason to think that a toy crane is any more painful to the lobster than picking it up with a pair of tongs.
If it is the lobster's pain from being boiled alive that has you so upset, why don't you just advocate that the lobster's tiny little head be smashed before it goes in?
By the way, I don't think that it is scientific fact that all animals feel pain, especially not in the sense that we do.
July 3, 2008
12:16 p.m.
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Buckwheat writes:
Next they'll want him to get rid of his "Wack-A-Mole" game (the one with the real Moles). Actually Fried Puppy does sound pretty good to people in some parts of the world. Its' that wagging tail on the plate I couldn't handle.
July 3, 2008
12:24 p.m.
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jbartholomew42 writes:
If God did not want us to eat animals why did he make them taste so tasty?
July 3, 2008
12:27 p.m.
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temurlan writes:
They have one of these at the Buffulo Rose in Golden. Caught a lobster not too long ago. It was hard to catch. They watch for the claw of death and move when it drops. Tasted good though.
July 3, 2008
12:28 p.m.
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IRUNMAN writes:
Thanks for the clarification Dude and Davies.
But I guess I don't understand why this isn't an acceptable practice for picking out a puppy at the pet store?
The comments about frying up animals and their body parts is stupid and really make you look uneducated. I guess I assumed these boards are here for intelligent dialogue but these comments prove that theory incorrect.
Sounds like it becomes more of a competition, right RickyLee? Well, I think you win against PETA considering the prime rib you will be cooking this weekend is already dead. I surmise you will be "hunting" this piece of game from your local grocery store too, right? Big man, you!
In response to MattGuyver, no, you are incorrect. I do not place animals above humans. You are merely spouting some rhetoric from which you heard from the Dairy or Meat Industries. I am a member of PETA and do not believe animals are any more important that humans. I personally believe we are all equal. That makes for the bottom of the pile for me? Hmmm...well I guess I hate to see what the top looks like.
July 3, 2008
12:32 p.m.
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IRUNMAN writes:
Gene: I never stated cows eat meat. Please review my original post. That was a question I was posing towards huffdiver.
July 3, 2008
12:36 p.m.
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DAS08 writes:
IRUNMAN
The comparison to dogs and horses doesn't work in this country. You can take a theoretical view of this topic (which PETA has) and it will get you ridiculed by the people you are trying to change because you are not addressing a real world issue with a reasonable solution.
Is it less abusive to keep the lobster tank in the kitchen and not in the public view? The lobster isn't in more pain out in the dining room than in the kitchen, and the claw isn't more painful than the cooks hand. The pain is in the pot, and you don't see PETA down at The Palm.
Ultimately, PETA is protesting the fact that there is a large portion of the population that is comfortable with the fact that animals are raised/hunted/caught for human dietary consumption. This delivery method of the "lobster zone" is simply a more direct communication of that issue. It is a bit of a contradiction to specifically target this restaurant and say that pain of the animals is your issue ("being boiled hurts"). The pain happens with any restaurant that prepares meat.
PETA would possibly have a voice if they didn't treat people with such disrespect. If your only real tactic is trying to shame and harass individuals/businesses; your success will be minimal.
July 3, 2008
12:39 p.m.
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Scott writes:
McCann should offer up a new menu selection, lobster with veal. The name for this new menu selection? PETA Special ... of course ;-)
Scott
July 3, 2008
12:43 p.m.
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MattGuyver_007 writes:
We are not equal. Humans are at the top of the food chain for a reason. I am a survivalist- you are a selfish drone that places animal welfare equal to, if not above, that of humans. Stop cramming your self-righteous attitude down my throat and threatening people that may not think or feel the way you do- hypocrite.
July 3, 2008
12:47 p.m.
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karma writes:
IRUNMAN - PETA's tactics are not very "in your face", they're outright ridiculous.
Some studies have shown that invertebrates do not experience pain the way vertebrates do. Their nervous systems are too simple to process it and the writhing or thrashing of an invertebrate when dropped in boiling water or hooked or whatever other quickly brought death is simply a reflex, it's a motor response to some sort of stimuli. You can cut the head off a lobster before boiling it and it still reacts the same way.
Of course there's really no way to prove it beyond any doubt but the majority of evidence points to lobsters not "feeling" but rather reacting.
July 3, 2008
12:51 p.m.
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fiesty writes:
It's a shame PETA has made such a laughingstock of itself, otherwise they could help with REAL animal cruelty.
July 3, 2008
12:51 p.m.
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RockyMtnMac writes:
Of course cows have teeth OMG! They are HERBIVORES and they use their teeth for grinding grass (and they only have teeth on the bottom). Carnivores and Omnivores have teeth top and bottom including those nice pointy inscisors to EAT THE HERBIVORES!
July 3, 2008
12:52 p.m.
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IRUNMAN writes:
That is true, DAS08.
There are multiple issues as to why this wrong to me and I can get off track.
I agree, some of PETA's tactics are overboard. Their approach is off.
On the flip side, I can see how they have reached their "approach". Personally, I constantly encounter aggression, lewd comments, et al when the topic of veganism/animal cruelty is talked about.
Please note, I am not the type of person that thinks or will tell everyone to go vegan. It is not my place to.
Albeit, when I am asked about my dietary choices I try to educate. The information is not always appreciated, then I stop and change the subject.
PETA doesn't stop. For them, it works. Not all the time but is has to a degree.
July 3, 2008
12:53 p.m.
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HankRearden writes:
We should also ban the TV Series "Deadliest Catch". The mean fisherman catch live crab from the Alaskan waters in a big mean cage using a big mean boat. The mommy and daddy crab are separated from the babies and thrown in a holding tank. The newly orphaned baby crab are thrown back in the sea, alone. They have no respect for the dignity of the crab nor do they respect the crab's family unit. How could anyone watch the Disney movie, Littlest Mermaid and not care about these poor creatures? Just think of Sebastian. He was so cute. And now the Discovery Channel is making money from his plight.
July 3, 2008
12:55 p.m.
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flamingzebra writes:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/PainMana...
July 3, 2008
12:55 p.m.
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davies writes:
IRUNMAN: "I guess I assumed these boards are here for intelligent dialogue but these comments prove that theory incorrect."
Who does your research? I have the feeling that may not be the only "incorrect theory" of yours. Thanks for the laugh!
July 3, 2008
12:58 p.m.
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RockyMtnMac writes:
LOL Trythinking!
Also, remember what that "deadliest catch" situation does to the self-esteem of the baby crabs!
July 3, 2008
1:01 p.m.
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Shaggy writes:
Gene,
I'll meet you there right after I sight my gun in by using prairie dogs as my targets...did you know those pesky little critters just POP when hit? Nothing left of them.
I love Lobsters freshly caught by a crane.
Anyone want to bet that JD's bait shop is going to be seeing many new customers this weekend.
July 3, 2008
1:06 p.m.
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Shaggy writes:
Have any of you guys seen this video..It is the funniest thing I have ever seen...omg..lmao.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TMTZv...
July 3, 2008
1:09 p.m.
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IRUNMAN writes:
MattGuyver-We are not equal. Humans are at the top of the food chain for a reason. I am a survivalist- you are a selfish drone that places animal welfare equal to, if not above, that of humans. Stop cramming your self-righteous attitude down my throat and threatening people that may not think or feel the way you do- hypocrite.
Wow, I see you are very passionate about this topic! I am glad you feel the way you do. I respect that, please respect my belief as well.
YIOTA- You are a sick human being. I don't understand why because I care for animals that I loathe humans and that I should die because of it? Please don't respond to this. You are clearly incapable of normal dialogue.
Trythinking- I hate to break it to you but The Little Mermaid was a cartoon. Fiction.
I am out, clearly this board just wants to fight and as YIOTA puts in a way I have never heard , rub meat all over myself and run in the woods so I can become friendly with the wild life AND on top of that do the human race a favor, I leave you with a great quote.....
The world, we are told, was made especially for man--a presumption not supported by all the facts... Why should man value himself as more than a small part of the one great unit of creation?
John Muir, Naturalist and explorer (1838-1914)
July 3, 2008
1:10 p.m.
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RockyMtnMac writes:
Mmmmmmmmmm! Prairie Dogs... Not just for breakfast anymore!
July 3, 2008
1:13 p.m.
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steel writes:
I used to go crabbing when I lived in Delaware. We came home after one trip and started cooking them, as usual. While dumping them into the pot of boiling water, one hung on to the side of the pot, with half his body in the water. He managed to pull himself out and dropped to the floor. It was a gallant sight. Watching this half green-half red crab dragging himself to an escape...
clicl-click-drag, click-click-drag...
July 3, 2008
1:16 p.m.
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davies writes:
RockyMtnMac and Trythinking:
Thank you so much for bringing this to my attention. I am crying right now for those poor little sea crabs, and it is especially frustrating to me because I'm so far from the ocean, I cannot share my saltwater tears with the Little Orphans of the Sea...
I'm going to start a new animal rights organization right now. We'll call ourselves the Little Orphans of the Sea Education Rangers, and I and my fellow LOSERs will teach everyone to change their ignorant, carnivore ways! YEAH!!!
July 3, 2008
1:22 p.m.
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jhdteacher writes:
i thought humans were animals until i read these postings...apparently, some of you think you're plants (as that's the only other option i'm aware of)
one such example:
"We are not equal. Humans are at the top of the food chain for a reason. I am a survivalist- you are a selfish drone that places animal welfare equal to, if not above, that of humans."
how can people not know this seemingly basic fact?
July 3, 2008
1:23 p.m.
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sheepherder writes:
I wonder if PETA gets mad at a wolf that eats a rabbit? Killing and eating meat isn't a HUMAN trait only. PETA continues to make a mockery of itself...what a suprise.
July 3, 2008
1:23 p.m.
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RockyMtnMac writes:
Thank You Davies! Maybe you would like to join my other organization - Society for the Prevention of Ill Treatment of Urban Pets - or "S.P.I.T.U.P.". Our goal is to stop city dogs from being forced to wear those fuzzy little sweaters! If you can't live close enough to the ocean to help the baby crabs, maybe you could help save the self esteem of the urban poodle!
July 3, 2008
1:31 p.m.
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RockyMtnMac writes:
Ooh! We should contact PETA about stopping that bar that has a crane to catch Rocky Mountain Oysters!
July 3, 2008
1:31 p.m.
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Omnivour writes:
Clearly Mr. McCann knows there's something foul about the Lobster Zone machine. Seems a shame he is now resistant to removing it from his business. Isn't it always the right time to do the right thing (whether you're being "harassed", or not)?
July 3, 2008
1:35 p.m.
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temurlan writes:
Shaggy, thanks for the link. I needed a laugh. LMAO!
"Do you need help little man?" LOL
July 3, 2008
1:36 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
...and so incredibly white trash.
July 3, 2008
1:41 p.m.
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HankRearden writes:
Steel,
In Homer Simpson's voice "Old Baaaaay seasoning, aaaaaahhhh...."
July 3, 2008
1:47 p.m.
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arvada_mark writes:
Funny. It's always funny when a group of overzealous liberals make donkeys out of themselves. Somebody needs to smack these people upside the head with a stick of common sense. If lobsters had the ability to reason, then we probably wouldn't feel right about ponying up $2 for some crane action. But they don't, & lobsters are succulent. Shouldn't these folks be trying to remove a spider monkey from somebody's home anyway? Once the dog track closed, I suppose they didn't really have anything to cry about, so they fabricated poor living conditions in this tank.
July 3, 2008
1:51 p.m.
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Omnivour writes:
sheepherder writes:
I wonder if PETA gets mad at a wolf that eats a rabbit? Killing and eating meat isn't a HUMAN trait only. PETA continues to make a mockery of itself...what a suprise.
sheepherder, how is peta making a mockery of itself (again?)...i just visited their website and they're not against wolves eating rabbits...to make a mockery of one's self is to be inconsistent with one's stated beliefs...read the information provided at the following link and tell me how you find this so
http://www.peta.org/about/faq.asp
July 3, 2008
1:53 p.m.
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ezekiel777 writes:
ohhhh...ohhhh.... i can't get off the floor ... this is soooo funny. please, please, please give away the fur coat. its a great idea! do it in honor of PETA. send them a photo. post it on the internet. send it to Leno.
lobster = food. it's what's for dinner.... surf & turf, my favorite.
July 3, 2008
1:57 p.m.
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jhdteacher writes:
wow, a lot of you sure hate people who speak out for the ethical treatment of animals...are you angry because you expect the animals to advocate for themselves?
July 3, 2008
2:01 p.m.
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HankRearden writes:
Thanks for the link Omnivour,
Just when I thought PETA was unreasonable you provide a link.
"However, animals don’t always have the same rights as humans because their interests are not always the same as ours, and some rights would be irrelevant to animals. For instance, a dog doesn’t have an interest in voting and, therefore, doesn’t have the right to vote because that right would be as meaningless to a dog as it is to a child."
Wow, Ya think?
Gee, thanks for setting me straight.
July 3, 2008
2:05 p.m.
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RickyLee writes:
YES, prairie dogs....not just for .22-250 hollow points anymore!
July 3, 2008
2:10 p.m.
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davies writes:
Oh jhdt, we don't hate you guys and gals. We just think you're dumba$$es. Maybe too much creatine in our diet has addled our brains and kept us from evolving from our knuckle-dragging carnivore ancestors. Or maybe you're just dumba$$es.
July 3, 2008
2:12 p.m.
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Crub writes:
I thought I lobster, but then I flounder.
July 3, 2008
2:19 p.m.
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Vector049 writes:
Sorry Charlie, but I support PETA.
July 3, 2008
2:21 p.m.
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Buckwheat writes:
Winter Dec 06-Jan 07. Snowstorm trapped hundreds if not thousands of animals out on the plains. 103.5 The Fox, Lewis and Floorwax attempted to contact PETA for either help and or assistance (as in a small contribution) in providing food for the starving animals in that area. PETA's response was that they would neither help or contribute one dime to prevent these animals from possibly starving to death. Their response was let nature take its' course as it is the natural order of things. What a bunch of crap. It was the Sportsman, Farmers, and Game Officials of this State that pitched in with feed, hay, water for these animals to help save them. Snowmobiles, helicopters, even horses were used to deliever these items.... And PETA wouldn't lift a finger... You can talk the talk, but when it comes down to getting your hands dirty its' "No Thanks". You should be ashamed....
July 3, 2008
2:24 p.m.
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RockyMtnMac writes:
Hey Omnivour - did that PETA site tell you how many animals they took in under the guise of "helping" and ended up euthanizing last year? How about the year before? PETA has the worst percentage of ANY organization for finding homes for these animals. They are not interested in helping animals, they are interested in the all mighty dollar. If you turn your pet over to PETA you are sending it to it's death. So forgive me for making fun of them - It's just that I have NO RESPECT for them.
July 3, 2008
2:29 p.m.
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Buckwheat writes:
Which one of you have even lifted a finger to support the wildlife in this or any other state? All you can do is bash the Sportsman, who have done more for the preservation of wildlife than you could ever think of. How many of you have contributed to the development and research of animals in this state to protect them from Lyme Disease, or Whirling Disease, Bobonic (sp?) plague? I'am sorry, how many? I would guess none. Want some? Come get some, there's more where that came from.
July 3, 2008
2:31 p.m.
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OhBrother writes:
what if jesus was a lobster? on a side note JD's is a hole, go there if you want to get sick after eating.
July 3, 2008
2:35 p.m.
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HankRearden writes:
jhdteacher,
I for one don't hate PETA. They do some good work. Most advocate groups are usually formed for a good reason. Fighting pollution, preventing cruelty to animals and advancing racial equality. They just don't know how or when to quit. Once the real ills are solved, they need to continually push the envelop and discover more and more "wrongs" to right. They get further and further from their original mission and become caricatures of themselves. I support PETA when they bring to my attention the killing of dogs in China to make stuffed animals. Here we have a bar owner that has discontinued the use of his Lobster crane. Fine, great good job. Now PETA is demanding that he remove the evil thing from his private property. Will that save any lobster? Not a one. So what are they after? They want to eliminate the sight and thought of such an evil machine. They’ve won and now they want to dance in the end zone. I would have said “rub his nose in it”, but that implies cruelty to a puppy.
I support the People of PETA, I just don’t support their mission, this time.
July 3, 2008
2:39 p.m.
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RockyMtnMac writes:
Oh Buckwheat - they don't need to hunt or fish because they've already read about it in a book and talked about it in their classroom/lecture hall. And Lyme disease/whirling disease/bubonic plague/mad cow disease/ and the pine beetle are the Bush administrations fault.
July 3, 2008
2:39 p.m.
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davies writes:
Trythinking quoting PETA:
"However, animals don’t always have the same rights as humans because their interests are not always the same as ours, and some rights would be irrelevant to animals. For instance, a dog doesn’t have an interest in voting and, therefore, doesn’t have the right to vote because that right would be as meaningless to a dog as it is to a child."
Wow is right! I didn't thing they were THAT far out.
So let's see, even though my dog Maggie likes steak bones very much, and she most certainly does NOT find steak bones to be meaningless, she cannot vote on whether or not she GETS the steak bone because the cow did not get to vote, so uhhh...
Oh, now I'm confused, dang it.
July 3, 2008
2:41 p.m.
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sheepherder writes:
Omni...the last time they made a mockery of themselves was when they went after fisherman stating they were hurting the fish. Com eon now...you have to admit!
July 3, 2008
2:41 p.m.
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BMat writes:
IRUNMAN writes:
All animals feel pain. ALL.
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In order to prove this statement you would have to know something about each and every animal species everywhere on the planet from the measly one-celled microorganisms to the mighty elephant to the blue whale.
The mere fact that biologists and others continue to discover new species of animals (and plants too for that matter) every single day means that you cannot possibly have enough data to support your claim.
So it's a typical, emotional over reaction not in the least born out by the reality that surrounds you. I'm not saying that they are wrong above, but hopefully PETA can find better representation than you.
Go for a run and cool off. Lemme guess, you live (and run) in Boulder, no?
July 3, 2008
2:46 p.m.
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HankRearden writes:
davies,
I hear there is a really good soy based steak bone. I had my last 7 dogs on totally vegan diets. None of them made it past 2 weeks.
July 3, 2008
2:48 p.m.
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RockyMtnMac writes:
Trythinking
Did they eat eachother?
July 3, 2008
2:50 p.m.
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davies writes:
Well now Floyd, if I'm ever in a plane crash, I hope the coyotes and the crows get some good pickings over my remains. No sense letting it go to waste, like your life for example.
July 3, 2008
2:53 p.m.
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Scott writes:
davies,
To understand PETA's "thinking" you must first take about six hits from a bong. Then everything will make "sense". :-)
Scott
July 3, 2008
2:54 p.m.
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HankRearden writes:
No RockyMtnMac,
I didn't have 7 at once. I had a series of 7 over a 6 month period. Man, I hope little Janie my 4 year old dauhgter gets over it. Maybe I'll get he a new puppy this weekend.
July 3, 2008
2:57 p.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
PETA probably has a place though I don't know where.
And yes, sportsmen do more for wildlife than any of the so-called animal rights activists. Many years ago while living in SW Colorado a group of people donated their own money, transportaion and back-breaking labor to get hay into the San Juans where 100's of deer & elk were stranded in order to help them survive. The DOW eventually contributed a lot of hay to the cause & we saved lots of critters from starvation so that we could hunt some of them in years to come. I've helped Trout Unlimited do stream improvements in several Colorado rivers to improve habitat and spawning areas. We even seined dobson's flys from one river and transported them to another 100 miles away in hopes that they would thrive in another watershed to provide more bugs for the fish to eat. Well, that one didn't work too well but it sure seemed like a good thing to try.
I'm not trying to toot my horn about this. I'd like to know how many PETA members have contributed to animals welfare with sweat & money the same way. I've never seen anything from PETA but a bunch of rhetoric and efforts to protect vermin like prairie dogs.
July 3, 2008
2:58 p.m.
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temurlan writes:
OhBrother wrtites: "what if jesus was a lobster? "
Answer: Then He wouldn't stick to the roof of my mouth like the little thin wafers. Church attendence would be up.
Priest: "Body of Christ"
Holds up piece of tail
Attendee: "Ah, Father, can I have the Jesus claw instead?"
July 3, 2008
3:01 p.m.
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denverrma writes:
Dog, cats, horses and such are domesticated animals that most people dont think of as food (at least here in the US!). When PETA starts walking their pet lobsters on leashes and curling up on the couch with their favorite 'furry' lobster pet or racing and pampering their lobsters, Ill fall right in line with the 'remove the crane' crowd!
July 3, 2008
3:04 p.m.
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jhdteacher writes:
RockyMtnMac writes:
Hey Omnivour - did that PETA site tell you how many animals they took in under the guise of "helping" and ended up euthanizing last year? How about the year before? PETA has the worst percentage of ANY organization for finding homes for these animals. They are not interested in helping animals, they are interested in the all mighty dollar. If you turn your pet over to PETA you are sending it to it's death. So forgive me for making fun of them - It's just that I have NO RESPECT for them.
peta's never been a NO KILL organization (a myth perpetuated by people who don't take the time to research their site)...peta is for the ETHICAL treatment of animals (which sometime included euthanasia)...recently, in fact, one of their "action alerts" was a plea to have a power plant hire a sharpshooter in order to kill a deer that had become stranded on their property (sorry not to be able to provide the link)
July 3, 2008
3:08 p.m.
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davies writes:
Scott: Worth a try maybe, but I think it would take better stuff than anything I've ever had...
Trythinking: Too bad about your vegan puppies. At least you're teaching your daughter that it would be cruel to feed them meat - good for you.
July 3, 2008
3:12 p.m.
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Buckwheat writes:
Flyfishdude;
Right on brother, so true, so true.
Floyd;
Animal haters?? Nothing could be further form the truth. At least I am not the guy (an associate who is a PETA Member), who would let his best friend (a Black Lab) suffer so needlessly and painfully from cancer because he didn't have the balz to put him out of his missery. "Oh, i wouldn't kill an animal" (no, just let him suffer and die a painful death) You people make me puke>>>
July 3, 2008
3:13 p.m.
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BMat writes:
temurlan writes:
OhBrother wrtites: "what if jesus was a lobster? "
Answer: Then He wouldn't stick to the roof of my mouth like the little thin wafers. Church attendence would be up.
Priest: "Body of Christ"
Holds up piece of tail
Attendee: "Ah, Father, can I have the Jesus claw instead?"
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That's classic stuff!
Don't forget that if Jesus was in fact a lobster then he would not probably have felt any pain whilst being nailed to the cross. His sacrifice for mankind would have diminished immeasurably.
Therefore the fact that God chose a man and not a lobster to serve as our dear messiah means that He too believes lobsters feel no pain.
It's all in the Good Book folks, read up!
July 3, 2008
3:18 p.m.
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HankRearden writes:
davies,
Thanks for your good thoughts. My daughter's night terrors are down to 1 per night, but as you said it is a valuable lesson. Vegan is the only way to go. I've got to go now, this is the time of day that I usually pass out.
July 3, 2008
3:19 p.m.
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Omnivour writes:
Trythinking writes:
Thanks for the link Omnivour,
Just when I thought PETA was unreasonable you provide a link.
"However, animals don’t always have the same rights as humans because their interests are not always the same as ours, and some rights would be irrelevant to animals. For instance, a dog doesn’t have an interest in voting and, therefore, doesn’t have the right to vote because that right would be as meaningless to a dog as it is to a child."
Wow, Ya think?
Gee, thanks for setting me straight.
Hey, TRYTHINKING, try reading.
I provided the link (I've explained this twice now) for those who say PETA is "making a mockery of itself" or somehow "hypocritical". I didn't provide it for a critique of statements you or others may find unreasonable. (Although, having set you straight, you may now proceed to do so.)
July 3, 2008
3:19 p.m.
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RockyMtnMac writes:
jhdteacher
I've got a site for you to visit: try Activistcash.com or followthemoney.com to see who gives money to these genius organizations. As far as PETA not being a "no-kill" or a "we kill them better than you" organization goes, it does not mean PETA should kill every animal given to them because they are too lazy to find homes, or because they don't want to spend $ on animals when it could go to further their own agenda. That proves they are a selfish - self serving militant group.
July 3, 2008
3:19 p.m.
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jacka writes:
People for Eating Tastey Animals = P.E.T.A
July 3, 2008
3:36 p.m.
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HankRearden writes:
Omnivour,
It's a sequence thing.
1. I thought PETA was unreasonable.
2. You posted a link to their site.
3. I read the link that you kindly provided.
4. I laughed out loud at the discussion of animal voting rights.
5. I now know they are not reasonable.
6. I thanked you for providing the link, there by setting me straight.
I never bother to look at their website before. It was illuminating.
July 3, 2008
3:37 p.m.
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wow writes:
"The world, we are told, was made especially for man--a presumption not supported by all the facts... Why should man value himself as more than a small part of the one great unit of creation?"
John Muir, Naturalist and explorer (1838-1914)
Most people recognize the truth in this quote, rather than misinterpreting it. In no way does it advocate abstinence from meat.
Its a great big, complex, dog eat dog world.
And PETA is the one organization that cannot ever be trusted for truth, honesty or objective research. They are liars, charlatains and theives to the last crocodile tear squirting puppet among them. Only a rube would view them with anything less than derision.
July 3, 2008
3:39 p.m.
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sheepherder writes:
Omni, you can't just link to the PETA site and think their silly site will back your argument! The PETA site shows just how far out there they are!
July 3, 2008
3:48 p.m.
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MattGuyver_007 writes:
"...PETA is the one organization that cannot ever be trusted for truth, honesty or objective research. They are liars, charlatains and theives to the last crocodile tear squirting puppet among them. Only a rube would view them with anything less than derision."
Well said Wow.
July 3, 2008
3:53 p.m.
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HankRearden writes:
McCrush,
Those are crawdads not lobster! You must be a city slicker from Morgantown.
July 3, 2008
3:54 p.m.
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RockyMtnMac writes:
"It's finger-lickin good"
- Colonel Sanders
(Sorry - everyone is using quotes and I didn't want to be left out)
WOW- you did such a good job with your quote, Ya left me with nothing more to add. Thank You!
July 3, 2008
4:17 p.m.
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HankRearden writes:
RockyMtnMac,
A deep an inspiring quote to start the weekend.
"Don't squeeze the Charmin" - Mr. Whipple
July 3, 2008
4:30 p.m.
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RockyMtnMac writes:
Trythinking
I appreciate your quote, but now you've upset the tree huggers!
July 3, 2008
4:46 p.m.
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veggie_lover writes:
Not all vegetarians are nut jobs and tree huggers. Some of us are intelligent, rational human beings who refuse to eat meat for health or other reasons, and respect our family and friends enough to believe that the decisions they make are right for them.
I'm a big animal lover, a vegetarian for about 35 years, and I totally disagree with PETA and all they do. They are no more right and moral than the believers who killed during the Crusades because their enemies worshipped an different god. If they don't want to kill animals for food, fine, don't. What gives them the right to dictate to the rest of the world how they should act, or what they should eat?
I wouldn't eat my cat, or my dog, or any of those lobsters. But someone in another country is eating cat or dog right now, and in their culture it's 100% moral and acceptable. Who am I to tell them it's wrong? It's not wrong, and its not my place to say otherwise.
The majority of the world have been meat-eaters longer than there is written history. That "habit" will continue long after PETA has lost its collective steam. I, for one, am looking forward to that day, and hope it happens in my lifetime.
July 3, 2008
4:50 p.m.
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MeAgainstMachine writes:
Give 'em hell Dennis! I've met Dennis and I drink at his other bar The Dam Grill Sports and Tap Room and he is not a shaddy person what so ever. He is a good 'ol boy from the south and extremely friendly to everyone. Having had a few conversations over the bar with him on a Saturday afternoon, I can say that he is the kind of guy that probably would have done away with the tank and claw if PETA didn't sh!t the bed on him. Now they can kiss his Alabama a$$ and mine too.
July 3, 2008
5:02 p.m.
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NeilT writes:
I'm going to JD's Bait Shop this weekend!
It has been a long time, since I moved further away, but I will make a special trip.
July 3, 2008
5:10 p.m.
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tunretni writes:
Personally I think that Lobsters have about the intellectual capacity of an insect. If they were cockroaches in the tank, would people be so upset?
July 3, 2008
5:33 p.m.
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SockRayBlue writes:
PETA is turning into the Pit Bull for people with an axe to grind. They will make complaints that require a lawsuit and then don't bother to show up. The defendant spends a fortune for nothing. Recently some actress donated her car to them most likely to pay off the blackmailing jerks. You may have read about it in the news. I certainly hope none of those people show up around here. I finally have Sophie trained and I have no problem lassoing some jerk and dragging him up the drive to the road. My driveway is a hundred yards long and gravel.
p,s, I love lobsters, shrimp, clams, oysters and just about anything that used to move under its own power.
July 3, 2008
8:13 p.m.
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Snarky writes:
When lobsters hire doctors, lawyers, accountants, landscapers etc, or start building highways, I will stop eating them.
July 3, 2008
11:28 p.m.
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clyde writes:
OICU812!
July 4, 2008
5:26 a.m.
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alwaysright writes:
All plants are alive also. I guess that means no more fruits & veggies with your meal.
Oh how about that wood that your house is made of ! What some one killed a tree So you can have shelter ? SHAME SHAME SHAME.
July 4, 2008
7:04 a.m.
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Mike846 writes:
PETA reminds me of just how stupid the human animal can become with the proper liberal schooling. Another special interest minority group wanting to foist their idiotic, illogical view of the world on the other 99% of the population. Drop them on a desert island with one stream, surrounded by the ocean and lets see how long it takes them to start eating anything they can find. Nitwits. Mike
July 4, 2008
7:06 a.m.
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bluecollarbytes writes:
Missing in all the concern for the Lobster's sense of pain is the loss of dignity suffered by this creature who was cruelly plucked from the depths, ripped from its family. It's probably longing for the day it's shame is cut short through a merciful death.
July 4, 2008
7:44 a.m.
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bilco writes:
When I heard about this story last night, I went out and got a huge lobster, unleashed his claws and set him on the kitchen floor to play with my Irish Setters, so much fun!
Then I fired up the grill and had him do a little tap dance above the flames, had an awesome dinner, went to bed and slept like a baby.
Hey....maybe I'll do it again tonight!
Peta...would you like a video???
July 4, 2008
8:41 a.m.
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cmcray1 writes:
Hey Peta! I want you to know that I raise cute little bunny rabbits. I am very nice to them and talk to them and love them. I water them and feed them fresh alfalfa. Then I bash them in the head with a hammer, slice open their cute little bellies and pull their guts out. I feed the guts to my dog, and I fry the little bunnies in hot oil. Would you like to come over for dinner sometime?
July 4, 2008
8:52 a.m.
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AnimalLover writes:
Mike 846....
The difference is, we dont live on an island with a stream.
We have an abundant surplus of food without having to resort to slaughtering 27 billion animals a year. How toxic is that?
Think of the obesity problem and ask, are we starving? Can that 27 billion slaughters be lowered, maybe cut in half. Would that harm the health of America over all?
Could you survive perhaps on 3 steaks a week, instead of 7?
July 4, 2008
8:56 a.m.
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AnimalLover writes:
Bilco and cmcray1...
Your behavior is a reflection on your personalities, your characters.
For you to derive such sadistic pleasure by physically revenging PETA for wanting to save some lobsters, is quite sad.
July 4, 2008
9:05 a.m.
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transom writes:
While living in the Florida Keys I hunted lobster on a regular basis and we never dreamed of boiling a live lobster. We simply twisted their heads from their bodys and hucked them, still twitching, back into the ocean for their relatives to eat. I then broiled the tails with a little butter...mmmmmm. Love them sea bugs. I do the same thing to crawfish here in CO, Wonder if the peta retards will come down on me.
July 4, 2008
9:36 a.m.
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AnimalLover writes:
"In their behavior toward creatures, all men are Nazis. Human beings see oppression vividly when they're the victims. Otherwise they victimize blindly without a thought."
-Isaac Bashevis, Nobel Prize 1978
"What is it that should trace the insuperable line? ...
The question is not; can they reason? nor, can they talk? but, Can they suffer?"
-Jeremy Bentham, philosopher, on mistreating animals
July 4, 2008
9:38 a.m.
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AnimalLover writes:
And yet, Transom, you don't see your behavior as retarded, do you?
Oh, the irony.
July 4, 2008
9:56 a.m.
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motherfunka writes:
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
July 4, 2008
10:49 a.m.
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AnimalLover writes:
LOL, Please, that old bogus site is well known that it's funded and run by the Meat Industry. At least know your facts.
July 4, 2008
11:24 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
motherfunka, that site is run by Rick Berman, a PR flack for the restaurant industry. He also runs anti-union sites and anti Mothers Against Drunk Driving sites, also for the restaurant industry. Oh, and another of his sites is paid for by the puppy mill industry in an effort to lobby against any animal cruelty laws.
Anyway, I think the kind of people that like to play vending games with live creatures as the prize must feel very powerless in their own day-to-day lives in some way.
And as the article states, it's not just PETA who has complained about this game. Some of the restaurant's own customers also did. Obviously, even non-animal rights activists see something kind of disturbing about such a game.
July 4, 2008
11:41 a.m.
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transom writes:
Yes animal lover, me and the other millions of lobster fishermen around the world. It's just the way its done, Oh the ignorance of your kind. By the way, is it satisfying to make love to animals?
July 4, 2008
11:49 a.m.
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pwern writes:
AnimalLover = Typical sanctimonious liberal. Go back to California with the rest of the freaks.
July 4, 2008
12:03 p.m.
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wow writes:
Animal lover & my2cents--
The site may be run be a meat industry hack, but does that mean that the court docs in PDF they link to are bogus?
The court docs and pictures illustrate the cruelty and corruption inherent in that organization. Two employees were tried after taking animals from thier owners under false pretenses and euthenizing the animals in the van, then dumping the bodies.
Also note the expense reports. PETA is killing healthy, adoptable pets to save money, with all blessings from their president. To say nothing of the money they put toward legal defense of eco-terrorist organizations. When you give to PETA, you aren't helping animals to live better lives, unless you count the animals who run these extortion rings.
The Humane Society itself kills far fewer animals than Peta does, and finds Peta's actions reprehensible.
But what can you expect from an organization that doesn't care how much you love your pet. No one should ever have a pet, after all. It's morally wrong to have an animal companion, if you buy PETA's line of malarky.
Utter hogwash.
July 4, 2008
2:44 p.m.
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SockRayBlue writes:
I'll bite. So what does it take to pull the plug on PETA?
July 4, 2008
7:17 p.m.
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ezekiel777 writes:
i recently watched the now dated movie "chicken run" where mrs. tweedy installs a snazzy gizmo machine that puts a live chicken in one end and a ready-to-eat chicken pot pie comes out the other. here the owner should replace the crane with an auto lobster catcher-processor-cooker with an automatic robot arm that plops the cooked lobster onto the patrons plat at his table. bon appetit! ......... its a good thing.
July 4, 2008
8:32 p.m.
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redwhiteandBLUE writes:
What did PETA say ? It's like tormenting a dog or a cat ?
Or any other animal..since when is a dog or cat or any other animal..DINNER ?!!! PETA is stupid!!!
July 5, 2008
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Spuds writes:
Grabbing a lobster with a crane sounds like more fun the the crane games at the local Walmart.
July 8, 2008
1:48 p.m.
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Simone writes:
It is important to understand that groups like PETA and HSUS are not animal welfare advocates. Rather, these groups are promoting an ideology of non-use of animals whether for food, clothes, hunting, fishing, entertainment or research. They have a political agenda to force their philosophy upon the rest of society through legislation and public opinion. PETA uses extreme methods like the nude sit-ins. HSUS uses more mundane methods through the legislative process and well-funded media campaigns. Both of these groups are extremely dangerous to our society. Both of these groups continue to scam animal- caring people into believing that their donations actually help the animals. The money never reaches the animals.
The best way to stop them is to stop funding them.
July 8, 2008
7:57 p.m.
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etbmfa writes:
7 Things You Didn't Know About PeTA
1. PeTA has stated repeatedly that their goal is "total animal liberation." This means no pets, no meat, no milk, no zoos, no circuses, no fishing, no hunting, no farming, no leather, and no animal testing for lifesaving medicines.
2. PeTA has given tens of thousands of dollars to convicted arsonists and other violent criminals.
3. PeTA funds the misnamed Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine an animal-rights organization that presents itself as an unbiased source for nutritional information and has links to violent animal-rights groups called SHAC and ALF.
4. PeTA has used their contributors tax-exempt donations to fund the North American Earth Liberation front and the Animal Liberation Front, FBI-certified domestic terrorist groups responsible for fire bombs and death threats.
5. PeTA regularly targets kids as early as elementary school with anti-meat and anti-milk propaganda. They are totally opposed to traditional farming methods.
6. PeTA spends less than one percent of its $13 million budget actually caring for animals. PeTA kills animals.
7. PeTA has repeatedly attacked groups like the March of Dimes, the Pediatric AIDS Foundation, and the American Cancer Society, for conducting animal testing to find cures for birth defects and life-threatening diseases.
source: www.consumerfreedom.com
www.naiaonline.org