Obama makes call for service for students in Springs visit
By David Montero, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published July 2, 2008 at 10:03 a.m.
Updated July 2, 2008 at 5:52 p.m.
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Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama speaks at the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs.
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Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama speaks at the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs on Wednesday, July 2, 2008.
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Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., center, greets supporters during a campaign stop in Colorado Springs, Colo.
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Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., right, arrives at Colorado Springs Airport in Colorado Springs, Colo., on Wednesday, July 2, 2008.
COLORADO SPRINGS — Barack Obama laid out an ambitious call to service this morning, saying as president he would ask middle and high school students to perform 50 hours of service a year and college students to perform 100 hours of service a year.
"This means by the time you graduate from college, you'll have done 17 weeks of service," Obama said. "That's two hours a week. That's not a lot."
Obama came to Colorado Springs and spoke to about 400 people in a gym at the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs. After the speech, he was headed to the Air Force Academy and NORAD. He was going to hold a fundraiser at the Broadmoor Hotel later in the evening at $1,000 per person.
The speech — about 30 minutes long — didn't feature much in the way of attacks against his Republican rival, Sen. John McCain and it offered a few glancing blows at President Bush.
With a giant American flag as a backdrop, he painted a picture of a nation less secure in the world and diminished in the eyes of other countries. He blamed Bush for the loss in stature.
"Instead of a call to service, we were asked to go shopping. Instead of a call for shared sacrifice, we gave tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans in a time of war for the first time in our history," he said. "Instead of leadership that called us to come together, we got patriotism defined as the property of one party and used as a political wedge to take us into a war that should never have been authorized and never been waged."
The crowd erupted into applause.
The appearance in El Paso County was somewhat surprising given its conservative base, though campaign officials said he wanted to highlight those who have chosen to serve in the military. Colorado Springs is near Fort Carson, which has been a steady pipeline for soldiers headed to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan. More than 230 soldiers from Fort Carson have been killed in combat since the start of the Iraq War.
He was introduced by Cori Gadzia, a 24-year-old whose husband — a Fort Carson soldier — is on his second tour in Iraq. Choking up, she praised Obama and said she found "immense comfort" in his candidacy.
But critics blasted Obama's appearance — saying it was a private event not open to the public. Campaign officials acknowledged it was an invitation-only affair for those in either military service, public service or campaign volunteers.
Before the event began, Colorado Republican Party Chair Dick Wadhams and State Sen. Bob Gardner, R-Colorado Springs, ripped Obama — using comments made by retired Gen. Wesley Clark on the Illinois senator's behalf that questioned McCain's qualifications for president based solely on his military credentials.
"Senator Obama has talked many times about having new politics about issues, not attacks," Gardner said. "But he stands back while his surrogates attack the record of service and heroism of Senator McCain."
Obama's speech didn't reference the Clark comments and the candidate has been distancing himself from them. Obama also didn't address the recent dust-up between himself and Focus on the Family Founder James Dobson, who questioned Obama's interpretation of the Bible.
Instead, Obama offered several specific ideas for his call to service and invoked the names Martin Luther King Jr. and President Kennedy.
He said he would call on Americans to join the military and increase ground forces by 65,000 soldiers and 27,000 Marines. He also sought to expand AmeriCorps from its current 75,000 slots to 250,000. And he called upon Americans to join an Energy Corps to participate in environmental cleanup projects.
"We need your service, right now, at this moment — our moment — in history. I'm not going to tell you what your role should be. That's for you to discover," he said. "But I am going to ask you to play your part. Ask you to stand up. Ask you to put your foot firmly into the current of history. I am asking you to change history's course."
It inspired Nathan Stern.
The 20-year-old said he'd done a few projects in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina but said he now was going to sing up for AmeriCorps.
"He is so incredible and so inspiring," Stern said. "After eight years of Bush and partisanship, he is showing what patriotism is all about."
Staff writer Bill Scanlon contributed to this report
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July 2, 2008
10:37 a.m.
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davies writes:
Daniel in the lion's den...
July 2, 2008
11:33 a.m.
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T1anda writes:
I notice the applause for him is pretty weak!!
July 2, 2008
11:52 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
God pless OBAMA! Colorado will host the next pres.
OBAMA 08
July 2, 2008
12:04 p.m.
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samsmargolis writes:
I just got the scoop from a libdem in the office - that's an over-sized man-purse with dangling shoulder strap from the DNC website fashion's summer collection that Obama is carrying. It's used as an accessory to make marginal performers, fence-setters and flip-floppers feel better about themselves.
July 2, 2008
12:04 p.m.
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alwaysright writes:
Who is Obama ?
July 2, 2008
12:08 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
samsmargolis
Have you thougth about Utah?
July 2, 2008
12:27 p.m.
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danirobi writes:
Obama entering into the most Conservative part of Colorado the 5th Congressional District...haha have fun trying to win over those people Obama. Oh and I'm pretty sure the Soliders down there know your voting record on military issues and your respect for men and women in uniform in general, which would be none.
July 2, 2008
12:42 p.m.
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max12 writes:
Service??? what has Obama ever done? Organize a neighborhood? GIVE ME A BREAK!! This guy is an empty suit with nothing to offer but feel good rhetoric. I am embarassed that my state and my country caters to all of these smooth talking idiots, and there are so many other idiots that can't see through these guys. Let's all roll over and turn our country over to Hussein Obama and his radical pals. You better take Arabic in school and forget about Spanish
July 2, 2008
12:49 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
MAX
You voted for Bush "TWICE". Now who is the idoit?
July 2, 2008
12:51 p.m.
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portal_pyramids writes:
I challenge all you Obama haters to make a convincing argument to vote for McCain without smearing Obama or resorting to hate or fear.
July 2, 2008
12:55 p.m.
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Lwayfan writes:
All these liberals ask is for people to give give give and give more and then government will force you to whether you do or not. Why don't we encourage kids to get jobs and learn the value of a dollar and how to manage their money wisely. Why don't we encourage them to take math and science courses in college, rather than race and gender classes. Why don't we teach kids its OK to make money and not feel guilty about it. We are losing ground to nations across the world because of this attitude and Barack O'Bama's great idea is for kids to go volunteer while in school. Thanks Barack for your great wisdom.
July 2, 2008
12:56 p.m.
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T1anda writes:
Yep, Obama states in his advertisment entitled "The country I love." that he passed laws,"including a law that extended health care for wounded troops." But, Obama did NOT pass this law. He did NOT even sponser it! In fact, he missed the 22nd January 2008 roll call vote on "Public Law 110-181," otherwise known as HR 4986, the National Defense Authorization Act for fiscal year 2008.
Obama has shown great disrespect our men and women in uniform by claiming he passed a law on which he did not even cast a vote. Because lying is not a "core Ameican value" Obama should pull the ad and issue an apology to our troops and the American people!
July 2, 2008
12:56 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
portal
They can't, They dont want to be confused with facts, because they have thier narrow minds made up. That is why people cant reason with folks on the right!
July 2, 2008
1:05 p.m.
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davies writes:
I am not an Obama "hater", but I would suggest that one could reasonably vote for McCain based on his demonstrated courage and greater experience.
July 2, 2008
1:05 p.m.
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max12 writes:
Yeah, I voted for Bush twice, and you apparently are still the idiot, but I digress. Enlighten us all, oh Dan. What have the liberals have to offer us all. Oh wait a minute, I am going to vote liberal. I forgot, they will take of us all from cradle to grave, and tax those mean old rich guys to pay for it. Thanks, I'm converted.
P.S. I'm signing up for Arabic classes online right now
July 2, 2008
1:08 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
Lwayfan
All these liberals. Why don't we encourage kids to get jobs and learn the value of a dollar
With your strong (Rep) values. Do you know what the value of the dollar is now? When Jr. started gas was at $1.89 now $4.20.
Do you find your self sounding like your dad? Those days of thinking are over. Time to move on!
July 2, 2008
1:10 p.m.
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jay writes:
portal...that's just not going to happen.
we've waited for months for someone on the right to justify a vote for mccain by telling us which bush accomplishments warrant a continuation of his policies.
all we get is the same old fantasies about mccain being a "maverick" and not mcsame.
oh well...it was widely predicted that this was going to be the game plan we'd see from conservatives. it's not like they can run on their own merits, policy stances and track record.
July 2, 2008
1:13 p.m.
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Boulder_Badger writes:
Good thing for B-HO that Bugs Bunny is not running for the Democratic nomination because Bugs has more common sense and appeal to voters. ... the ears are the only similarity.
July 2, 2008
1:25 p.m.
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leatherneck writes:
OBUMMER, IS BACK WITH ALL HIS BS TO SPEW. I HEAR THERE IS GOING TO BE A NEW NATIONAL ANTHEM IF OSAMA IS ELECTED
July 2, 2008
1:28 p.m.
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max12 writes:
Hey Jay, I'd love to hear about a merit, a policy standard or a track record from Hussein Obama.....do you have one?
July 2, 2008
1:36 p.m.
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Newenergycommie writes:
Obama is true American Hero, unlike McCain. 5 years of physical and mental torture in a Vietnamese prison camp; Big deal! Imagine a Patriot sitting in a pew every Sunday for 20 years, hearing Rev Wright's, "God Damn America" sermons. This would be truly torture to a Patriot. Did he complain? No. Did he object? No. He suffered through these sermons with only his inner strength to sustain him. God does indeed bless you Mr. Obama, thanks for taking one for the team. One can only imagine the scars left from such an experience.
Nice flag pin! I see the healing has begun.
Obama08, a George Soros Enterprise
July 2, 2008
1:40 p.m.
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ashlandbus writes:
I think it is a great idea to have people volunteer and expand the AmeriCorps program. I did AmeriCorps VISTA right out of college and I learned so much more than my counterparts did in an internship or an entry-level job right out of school. I am by far more successful in my career because of it, not to mention the good I did while I served. I got to start a program from the ground up, work with state, local and federal officials, coordinate meetings, make presentations, write public materials... wow, the list goes on. So, those who say one needs to learn "the value of a dollar" obviously are very short-sighted.
AmeriCorps helps you understand how much the value of a dollar can get you, and how much it can get the most neediest of people, not to mention an understanding that is far beyond the reach of anyone who has never lived in poverty. The experience was invaluable, and it has elevated me far further than I would be should I have chosen to "work" right away. And by work, I mean cruch numbers for a paycheck 3X as much as an AmeriCorps stipend. Now I make 3X as much as those who opted to jump into the "real world". I suggest you parents dont write off volunteering should your kids decide to do that right out of school, or while in school. Not only is it an investment to those who need it when he or she is volunteering, but it is also an investment to his or her future.
July 2, 2008
1:40 p.m.
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rightwingnut writes:
Don't bother Max12, all Jay can do is attack the right as being ignorant and narrowmind. A mirror is a cruel thing.
July 2, 2008
1:46 p.m.
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scrabbler writes:
T1anda,
Which bill are you referring to?
I looked this up on http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releas...
and lo and behold this is what i found:
Today, I have signed into law H.R. 4986, the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008. The Act authorizes funding for the defense of the United States and its interests abroad, for military construction, and for national security-related energy programs.
Provisions of the Act, including sections 841, 846, 1079, and 1222, purport to impose requirements that could inhibit the President's ability to carry out his constitutional obligations to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, to protect national security, to supervise the executive branch, and to execute his authority as Commander in Chief. The executive branch shall construe such provisions in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President.
National security and interests...same ol' patriotism laws for our security! OH how happy those soldiers must be for more military construction!
And this is why Obama is bad for our country? Well let me give you a lil history bout Obama K this is from his website feel free to go look it up.
In 2003, Barack Obama sponsored and passed legislation that expanded health care coverage to 70,000 kids and 84,000 adults. In the U.S. Senate, Obama cosponsored the Healthy Kids Act of 2007 and the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) Reauthorization Act of 2007 to ensure that more American children have affordable health care coverage.
July 2, 2008
1:54 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
steel
GET OFF your moms computer! Does she know you are on line?
July 2, 2008
2:05 p.m.
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GK writes:
Remind me again why I should vote Republican??
http://www.swingstateproject.com/show...
July 2, 2008
2:09 p.m.
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JSeifert writes:
Missed the chance to get Osama democrats drop the ball again.
July 2, 2008
2:17 p.m.
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Michael writes:
I challenge all you Obama haters to make a convincing argument to vote for McCain without smearing Obama or resorting to hate or fear. - portal
I will name 3 major efforts ny Sen McCain to work across the aisle and actually accomplish something. If you can name 3 SIMILAR efforts by Obama, I will listen. OK?
1. McCain-Feingold Bill (I hate it and it is unconstituional, but it shows McCain can work with the far left (Feingold is about as left as Obama) What has Obama done that is similar?
2. Gang of 14 - Judicial appointments. Once again, McCain works with the left and neither Obama or Hillary were anywhere to be seen.
3. Comprehensive Immigration Reform - I don't agree and it did not pass, BUT AGAIN McCain works with the opposition to achieve concensus. Obama????? Missing In Action Again.
If you are intellectually honest and not just a Kool-Aid drinking left-wing nut, you have to admit that McCain's RECORD OF ACCOMPLISHMENT IN GOVERNMENT far exceeds Obama's and specifically with working with the opposition party.
July 2, 2008
2:17 p.m.
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Newenergycommie writes:
And yet Obama couldn't close the deal in Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Ohio. Makes me want to say "Hmmmm." Our choice is between Repubs that can't find their A$$ with both hands or an empty suit, empty resume affimative action canidate, owned by an America hating billionare.
July 2, 2008
2:17 p.m.
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rckymnthoss writes:
Obama is so aweful that he'll make volunteering mandatory.
Strikes me as ironic.
He sure can find a way to make a good thing bad.
July 2, 2008
2:18 p.m.
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Scott writes:
ashlandbus,
You would have learned a WHOLE lot more if "right out of college" you would have raised your right hand and said:
"I, ashlandbus, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will
support and defend the Constitution of the United States
against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will
bear true faith and allegiance to the same; ...."
So, what would you have learned? Here are a few:
1: Libs will hate your guts because you dare to defend the U.S.
2: The pay is so bad that even a buck Sargent (E5) with a wife and one kid qualifies for welfare!
3: The medical care just plain s#cks.
4: Your civil rights are SEVERELY limited.
... to name just a few.
Scott
formerly PR2 USNR 1974 to 1979
p.s. Would you believe that the RMN purity filter whacked for the word that means "Draws a vacuum?" This is pathetic!
July 2, 2008
2:26 p.m.
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lencho_elias writes:
Obama 08 Can't wait!!!
Get OUT of office Bush!! Go live with all your Saudi homies, and leave the American People to nation build.... our own nation!! Power to the People!
July 2, 2008
2:26 p.m.
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ashlandbus writes:
Scott, i completely disagree. it is not black or white. there are plenty of ways to serve this country. i would never join the military because i dont believe in its objectives. but, different strokes for different folks. oh, and i dont think i would have learned anything near what i learned as a VISTA. once again, its DIFFERENT. i dont think one is necessiarily better than the other. just different.
July 2, 2008
2:27 p.m.
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rckymnthoss writes:
I'll be working overtime tonight so I can pay my gas bills and feed my son while rich, high-minded liberals fork over $1,000 to see this guy.
Maybe one of them will VOLUNTEER their gourmet dinner, while we're on the topic.
Um, doubtful. Good thing he likes mac 'n cheese.
July 2, 2008
2:36 p.m.
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Finding_Forever writes:
Good ol' Steel. Always good for re-writing someone elses post and a few lame attempts at humor, however he never really has anything valuable to say. Way to show em' Steel!
With that, Im done with Denver newspapers. Everyone have a safe holiday!
July 2, 2008
2:36 p.m.
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Lwayfan writes:
Denver Dan:
"Do you find your self sounding like your dad? Those days of thinking are over. Time to move on!"
Your right...you and Obama want us to move on from believing in those mean spirited capitalist ideas like trying to achieve greatest and creating wealth and happiness. I guess I better move on to a future of white guilt, socialism, poverty and forced volunteerism. I can't wait for "change".
July 2, 2008
2:49 p.m.
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jeaninemm writes:
(May be a repeat)
What negativity in these comments!
Barack Obama is a leader who will guide our country. Read his words in both his books. I don't remember that quote, but speaking from the context of his work, he meant it in the spirit of Niemoller:
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
Regarding taxes: read the tax analysis for Obama versus McCain and you will realize the folks with 401K, IRAs, etc., can feel safe.
July 2, 2008
2:49 p.m.
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rckymnthoss writes:
"The dream of Martin Luther King, Jr. was more than desegregation. It was prosperity, life and liberty -- Constitutional metrics for success -- for every person of every color in every stage of life. King’s niece, Dr. Alveda King, now leads a movement pitted against Planned Parenthood for targeting the black community for abortion...
"Sen. Barack Obama, though, possesses one of the most anti-life records in the Senate, having voted against the Induced Infant Liability Act, a bill that would have protected babies that survived late-term abortions.
"Obama recently said he hoped his daughters wouldn’t be “punished” with a baby if they decided to have sex at an inappropriate age..."
"It doesn’t matter if your claim to fame is as a Democrat or a Republican…abortion is a plague among Americans -- and an epidemic in the black community.”
http://www.humanevents.com/article.ph...
July 2, 2008
2:51 p.m.
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mountainguy writes:
Why should anyone be surprised that Barack Hussein Obama would ask young people to donate time. If he's elected he is going to basically ask working people to donate their time after he takes all their money in taxes. "Work/Give for the state my children" should be his motto. Didn't they try this once in 1917. Seems to me it didn't work then.
July 2, 2008
3:02 p.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
portal_pyramids writes: "I challenge all you Obama haters to make a convincing argument to vote for McCain without smearing Obama or resorting to hate or fear."
5 years being tortured in the Hanoi Hilton and refusing early release before others because his father was an admiral.
That's REAL sacrifice, character, and honor.
July 2, 2008
3:08 p.m.
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rckymnthoss writes:
"The racist and anti-Semitic legacy of PP (Planned Parenthood) is rooted in the beliefs of its founder, Margaret Sanger, who often said that “we must exterminate the Negro population.” Now, more than 14 million black babies have been aborted by PP, in addition to 30 million babies of other races."
http://www.humanevents.com/article.ph...
"Obama made his vows to the Planned Parenthood Action Fund that abortion would be the first priority of his administration."
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/...
July 2, 2008
3:09 p.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
from the article: "But critics blasted Obama's appearance — saying it was a private event not open to the public."
Get used to it. Obama likes to appear before his hand-picked crowds.
Remember the two muslim girls who worked for Obama? Their "service" was rewarded with being shuffled off stage so they wouldn't appear in the photo op. Some Uniter.
July 2, 2008
3:11 p.m.
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ashlandbus writes:
Cowboy63... take off your right-colored glasses. double-standard central. i guess you somehow forget about all of bush's "hand-picked" private fundraisers around here. its just easier to forget when you are spouting useless rhetoric.
July 2, 2008
3:21 p.m.
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jay writes:
"Hey Jay, I'd love to hear about a merit, a policy standard or a track record from Hussein Obama.....do you have one?"
max it's good to see you interested in educating yourself on obama's policy stances.
start here then give me a shout about some of the specifics you wish to discuss.
www.barackobama.com
michael/cowboy, i think we were looking for actual mccain policy stances regarding the issues before the country...or at least some bush accomplishments that could attest to the success of those policy stances.
can you provide some?
"you and Obama want us to move on from believing in those mean spirited capitalist ideas like trying to achieve greatest and creating wealth and happiness. I guess I better move on to a future of white guilt, socialism, poverty and forced volunteerism. I can't wait for "change"."
careful, wfan, you've got straw stuck in your shirt...
July 2, 2008
3:23 p.m.
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FatTony writes:
@max12
You're a freakin' idiot. Is the 12 your age?
@jeaninemm
I agree, so much negativity.
This country needs change, this country needs someone to lead us back to the promise land, to get our country back on track, this country needs the peeps that we voted for, to represent WE the people, this country needs people we can trust, this country needs to wake up before it's too late...
July 2, 2008
3:25 p.m.
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rockiesfan05 writes:
Smart move, Obama coming to the most conservative part of the state, though, doubt he is going to change anyone’s minds down there. The religious right isn’t going to support someone who is pro-choice and pro-union! I mean, come on!!! He even supports the check-card method of forming a union. If you haven’t yet seen the Union Facts commercials on television, please go check out www.unionfacts.com and see why conservatives are against this nonsense.
July 2, 2008
3:27 p.m.
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FatTony writes:
and the folk that want to call Obama, Hussein Obama...That's real classy. You know who you are.
Have a problem with all non-white people, or just him? No need to answer that. I've got a feeling I already know your answers...
July 2, 2008
3:30 p.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
jay writes: "I think we were looking for actual McCain policy stances can you provide some?"
Here's one for you. Both McCain and Obama pledged to work under public campaign finance control.
McCain is sticking to his word. Obama is backing out.
CHARACTER. There's a policy. If you can't trust Obama when he flat out gives you his word - how are you going to trust him on anything else?
July 2, 2008
3:31 p.m.
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Ian74 writes:
Rockiesfan05,
I have seen those ads. They are actually quite humorous. While I am almost convinced that Obama can win the state of Colorado, we need to make sure Mark Udall doesn't win. His win would hit far closer to home for all of us little people. He doesn't care about the blue collar workers and our rights... Mark Udall just cares about the money he is going to get from unions around the state. I'm not the biggest fan of Schaffer, but at least he doesn't want to take away our rights and give them to union bosses!
July 2, 2008
3:38 p.m.
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BBFanatic writes:
Here is another great anti-union page to check out: http://www.laborpains.org/
July 2, 2008
3:54 p.m.
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Lwayfan writes:
Ok Jay, I will play your game. You always want to debate specifics and then when someone brings specifics up you avoid the questions.
On his website O'Bama specifically supports "Cap and Trade". I would like you to defend Cap and Trade, particularly in light of current gas prices. Will you admit this is a massive government program that will need to be implemented and the money recieved from this massive government program would be used to dole out to numerous special interests? And will you concede that placing caps on carbon emissions will result in the increase in gas prices the working man pays at the pump?
(I will be impressed if you can address this issue and do so without resorting to talking about George Bush. Thank you.)
July 2, 2008
4:11 p.m.
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jay writes:
"On his website O'Bama specifically supports "Cap and Trade". "
i really don't know any of the specifics of what you're talking about, wfan. can you post a link to the specific info to which you're referring?
"Here's one for you. Both McCain and Obama pledged to work under public campaign finance control"
cowboy, dude....you're killing me here, smalls.
give us some policy stances that affect geopolitics.
something.
anything.
July 2, 2008
4:24 p.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
jay - I can't believe you're saying issues like Character and Integrity are "smalls".
It doesn't matter what policy Obama outlines - if you can't believe him, what difference does it make?
The man flat out lied and went back on his word within weeks! That's not small.
July 2, 2008
4:27 p.m.
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nowhearthis writes:
Ashlandbus, its really not worth trying to reason with the animals in this cage. By the way, it might be a good idea to have them ride the ashland bus starting at about Grand to way down where Obama was a community organizer. Maybe they'd think before they made such ignorant comments, that is, if they were ever found again....
July 2, 2008
4:32 p.m.
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max12 writes:
Idiot?? Let's see..Obama, Clinton, Kennedy, Kerry, Pelosi, Reed, Biden, Yep that's the group of scholars that I want leading me into battle, both military and fiscal. Oh crap! I keep forgetting these guys are going to take care of me and everybody else with healthcare, jobs, low gas prices, border protection, protection from terrorists, I guess I am an idiot I should just lay down and let them save me and my country, and be happy about it.....NOT!!
July 2, 2008
4:33 p.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
nowhearthis and Ashlandbus -
Weren't the two Muslim girls part of the "community" as well?
You got one thing right thought. Obama is every bit as slick a politician that ever came out of Chicago politics.
July 2, 2008
4:48 p.m.
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Diff writes:
6 months - 3 weeks and counting . . . . . . .
01-20-2009
some village in Texas will get there idiot back.
July 2, 2008
5:55 p.m.
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HSTOWEL writes:
This guy actually has the nerve to suggest that others volunteer for service? Give me a break. While many other young men and women of this country have served and are serving in institutions such as the military, Peace Corps, etc this clown spent his youth, by his own admission, hanging around a college campus drinking alcohol, smoking marijuana, and occasionally snorting cocaine. This guy is associated with some of the most radical people in the country and is the last person anybody needs to take advice from. "The emperor has no clothes" and he will be exposed fully before November.
July 2, 2008
7:26 p.m.
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Vector049 writes:
He needs to have enough guts to step into da hood and deliver the same message.
July 2, 2008
8:09 p.m.
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Lwayfan writes:
I will absolutely defend the oil companies. First of all since when is it wrong to make RECORD profits?? Last time I checked the stock holders and the people as a whole benefit when companies make profits.
Second, their RECORD profits are in absolute numbers. Their profit margin is still 7 or 8 percent, which is not that high compared many other industries.
Third, if it wsn't for the oil companies neither you or I would have a car to drive, the products we use would not be delievered to the shelves, the food we eat would not be plowed from the fields.
So yes, I will defend the oil companies and I want the extreme enviornmentalist to allow more drilling so oil companies can drill even more (lowering our gas price by the way).
July 2, 2008
8:24 p.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
You can go on about McCain all you want, but...
I'm still waiting for the defense of Obama's going back on his word about campaign finance guidelines or his removing two Muslim girls from his photo op because they were inconvenient to his "message".
McCain has challenged Obama to 10 neutral townhall meetings before the conventions. Why does Obama run from this?
If he can't stand up to McCain - he sure the hell ain't gonna stand up against anyone else.
July 2, 2008
10:06 p.m.
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jay writes:
"I can't believe you're saying issues like Character and Integrity are "smalls"."
i never said this...i quoted a movie that was maybe after your time. sorry.
"The man flat out lied and went back on his word within weeks! That's not small."
yes, cowboy, both candidates are guilty of flip flopping. now get back to trying to come up with some policy stance justification for continuing bush doctrine.
" Why do you call him "McSame?" To be cute? Are you being "ironical?""
i thought we cleared this up months ago. we call him mcsame because his policies are nearly identical to bush's.
"Even if President Bush wished to commit troops to Iran this October, do you really believe that Congress would go along with that?"
dan2, you need to educate yourself on the whitehouse's argument for action without congressional approval. it might surprise you.
" I will defend the oil companies and I want the extreme enviornmentalist to allow more drilling so oil companies can drill even more (lowering our gas price by the way)."
wfan, can you tell me why we wouldn't require immediate drilling on already approved and leased land before opening up any more for use?
July 3, 2008
1:25 a.m.
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Hstowell writes:
Yeah Jay, I can tell you why we shouldn't drill first on those other pieces of leased land. Because the oil companies want to drill where they know there is oil. It's as simple as that. Do you really think the oil companies would leave the land alone if they knew there was oil on these leased parcels of land? Regarding your characterization of John McCain as McSame, I'll take the chance that he won't be the same as Bush rather than vote for Oblabba with his disatrous policies and his severe lack of experience at anything important other than hanging around with radicals and racists. I also don't want to be taxed to death so that health insurance can be provided to millions of illegal aliens and I sure don't want Obama (an even bigger clown than Jimmy Carter) to be placed in charge of the nation's military and neither does the vast majority of the military. I also don't want this left wing radical appointing justices to the Supreme Court. Oblabba may be change but I don't see anything positive about the change he would bring other than he's not Bush.
July 3, 2008
10:25 a.m.
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jay writes:
"Yeah Jay, I can tell you why we shouldn't drill first on those other pieces of leased land. Because the oil companies want to drill where they know there is oil. It's as simple as that. Do you really think the oil companies would leave the land alone if they knew there was oil on these leased parcels of land"
actually this is a myth as well. the recent senate report on the matter confirms that there are enough resources under the lands already approved to increase our domestic oil production by up to 50% and our natural gas production up 75%
again...why wouldn't we support that kind of near immediate production increase before allowing the leasing of lands that are environmentally controversial? what's the hold up? what are we waiting on? how high does gas need to go before we stop this long standing practice of allowing oil companies to stockpile leases?
" I'll take the chance that he won't be the same as Bush"
you're certainly more than welcome to do so, but the data is against you.
"Oblabba with his disatrous policies"
which of his policy stances do you find "disastrous"
"I also don't want to be taxed to death "
well then you shouldn't have voted for republicans over the last 25 years...
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
"I also don't want this left wing radical appointing justices to the Supreme Court."
there we go...we finally get to the heart of the matter. you'll happily vote for a failure as long as they dangle that sc carrot in front of your face.
" Oblabba may be change but I don't see anything positive about the change he would bring other than he's not Bush."
well then by all means, tell us which bush accomplishments warrant a vote to continue his policies under mccain.