'Black National Anthem' brings City Council president hate mail

By Daniel J. Chacon, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)

Published July 1, 2008 at 6:04 p.m.
Updated July 2, 2008 at 3:18 p.m.

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Was it appropriate to sing the Black National Anthem at the State of the City address in Denver?

Jazz singer Rene Marie was invited to sing the National Anthem at Mayor John Hickenlooper's State of the City address today. Instead, Marie sang what is known as the Black National Anthem, sparking outrage among some of the estimated 700 people who attended the ceremony.

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July 1, 2008

5:15 p.m.

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Dinty writes:

A total lack of respect for the occasion.
July 1, 2008

5:20 p.m.

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me2 writes:

Another nit picked to death.
July 1, 2008

5:21 p.m.

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ollie writes:

WEH! WEH! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! BUNCH OF WHINEY PISS ANTS!
July 1, 2008

5:21 p.m.

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samsmargolis writes:

The whole event seemed to be like a bad cartoon. Hickenlooper couldn't even be bothered to find a coat & tie for the occassion. The black national anthem fits with the goofy character of that entire city - which is why I avoid business there like the plague.
July 1, 2008

5:24 p.m.

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Andy writes:

Ah, the power of civil disobedience.

You have to admit, that took guts.
July 1, 2008

5:27 p.m.

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Michael writes:

Maybe Glenn Morris should have also been invited with his drum banging morons in tow too? How about having the Mexican flag and singing their anthem? Maybe the freakin' Dalai Lama could have swung by for few words. And let's not forget the rainbow flag of our gay/lesbian/bi/transgender/whatthehellami friends. Sure don't want to offend anyone - unless you prefer the National Anthem and the Stars & Stripes without any clutter, like most of us do.
July 1, 2008

5:29 p.m.

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aRe writes:

Holy crap! - Say it aint so!! Everyone in attendance must've had to run home to put on thier flag pins, reread thier loyalty oaths, smear good ol' American apple pie all over thier bodies, and whistle Yankee Doodle Dandy out thier butt holes just to clense themselves from such an unAmerican experience!!!

I'm so glad that we don't have any real problems so we can continue to focus on the real important ones like this!
July 1, 2008

5:38 p.m.

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rickg19611 writes:

Typical Democrats.
July 1, 2008

5:55 p.m.

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jacka writes:

Hickenlooper and Union City Hall - maybe next year they'll sing Solidarity Forever, Come and Join the Union or Comrade Fettler.

YES on Amendment 47 shouldn't all Coloradans have the Right to Work.

YES on 47 for paycheck protection and choice.

National Dishonor at Denvers' Union City Hall.
July 1, 2008

5:59 p.m.

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July 1, 2008

6:02 p.m.

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July 1, 2008

6:15 p.m.

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ollie writes:

Not hard to pick out the racist is it SASQUATCH?
July 1, 2008

6:18 p.m.

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Quidam writes:

"THE CHICKENS HAS COME HOME... to the ROOSTERS!"
July 1, 2008

6:18 p.m.

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jacka writes:

Reported on the radio that the Mayor's press office had him quoted something to the effect of no one really noticed and folks didn't seem to mind.

Steller leadership mr. mayor.
July 1, 2008

6:37 p.m.

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July 1, 2008

6:40 p.m.

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joeblow writes:

Whoa! For a moment, I thought NORAD had spotted missiles headed this way....Michael.
Charlie Brown (and could a councilman have a better name?), once again clusily used the event to get his name in the headlines. (HINT: Chas...accomplish something that benefits the whole city instead of *itching and moaning about a song if you really want to be remembered for something!) Hmmmmm. What's new?
Folks, gas is four bucks a gallon and rising fast. Milk is heading the same way. The impact from the loss of crops in the Midwest is headed this way. Georgie Boy is plotting an attack on Iran before he leaves office. AND SOME PEOPLE HAVE GOT A GNAT IN THE BUTT OVER A FREAKING SONG? What is wrong with this picture....MICHAEL?
July 1, 2008

6:41 p.m.

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American100 writes:

Renee Marie just did McCain a HUGE favor.

I said it on another post and I'll say it again.

Renee - you just bit the democrats in the AS*S.

Thanks
July 1, 2008

6:45 p.m.

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July 1, 2008

6:47 p.m.

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Jan8 writes:

It's not hard to see why and how we are loosing our country is it? Don't tell me this girl didn't know what she was doing, was she asked to sing the Black National Anthem? Obviously her color is more important to her than this country. Is it a "black pride thing"? Is she trying to tell us she wished the U.S were a black country? I'm not trying to smear her, but explain to me what the hell that was about?
The response of some here are a typical example of the stinking attitude toward this country even by many of it's own people, they think angry dissent is patriotic, if you ask me they hate both the country and anyone who isn't "democratically liberal" enough to let it all hang out in disrespect. Bet I'll be called a racist and or bigot for MY opinion tho. Their kind of freedom is reserved for those who are not Christian and or conservative.

Can you imagine what it would be like for whites if we had a "White National Anthem"????
I heard someone saying this had nothing to do with race? what?
Hickenlooper is a tieless whimp. I'm with Shaggy- if he can't control this how is it gonna go at the Democratic Convention?
July 1, 2008

6:47 p.m.

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youngman writes:

It was racist..she is a racist...why would anyone hire her.....I hope she didn't get paid...and yes all the Democrats didn't notice....the Hate America crowd just said oh well.....Charlie brown is the only republican on the City Council...he noticed...

"Its just a song".....NOT

Let me sing Dixie at the next George Washington High School basketball game and see what comments I get...
July 1, 2008

6:48 p.m.

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BJG writes:

Maybe Marie thought she was in a different country and that they didn't have a national anthem. Or maybe she thought she could introduce a new national song that we all would like better than what we have been singin in the past. Maybe she should have asked permission instead of offering an apology. Maybe this is the last time Marie will be singing at any city event.
July 1, 2008

6:50 p.m.

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Mighty_Mile writes:

no on Amendment 47, it destroys collective bargaining for the working class and further marginalizes hard working Coloradans.
July 1, 2008

6:54 p.m.

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scotterjag writes:

all i can say about her, and anyone who supports her, is CLASSLESS! when given the chance to sing The National Anthem, it should be considered an honor, and not one's personal platform to express their views. if you want to express your views like that, i'll buy you a one way ticket to any other country you want to live in, and you can get the hell out of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!
July 1, 2008

7:04 p.m.

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Oh_Wise_One writes:

Staff- Why was my comment removed? Was it the description Obamessiah? or was it "the fat lady sings"? WTF is wrong with you censors? Haven't you ever heard the phrase "the game is over when the fat lady sings"? Good gawd and you throwing blocks for Barry. Pathetic.
July 1, 2008

7:05 p.m.

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American100 writes:

I'll pitch in on that one way ticket out of the US.

Renee Marie - If I told you what you are, the RMN would delete my post.
July 1, 2008

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July 1, 2008

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July 1, 2008

7:28 p.m.

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American100 writes:

HAHAAAAA - I love it Wise One.

RememberThis - you and my wife think alike.

She said she would have started in with the Pledge of Allegiance at the top of her lungs. She's shy about singing in public or it would be the National Anthem.
July 1, 2008

7:33 p.m.

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joeblow writes:

youngman writes:
It was racist..she is a racist...," says Youngman. Good to know we have someone like him/her explain what true racism is. Exactly how does this compare to killing Freedom Riders or Emmitt Till- type racism? "Hate America," again, the resident oracle, Youngman.
"Lift Every Voice" = "Dixie"? Youngman? You're supposed to enjoy the sun, not stand in it until you become delusional (or stupid).
Now, Jan8...."Losing our country"? Because of a song? How 'bout that thing called the "Patriot Act?" Don't you think that's a little more severe than a freaking song? "Her color is more important than her country?" Jan8, a little hyperbole? Christian? Conservative? As a Christian, don't you know a little about that biblical ditty about 'judging lest not ye be judged?' Conservative? Is this what conservatives spend their time on? Songs? Especially ones that impact our lives not one iota?
Folks, it's been a matter of hours since this "transgression against all that is good" occured. How have your lives changed?
Save your energy for something really important. Let's start with that little ol' Patriot Act....Jan8.
July 1, 2008

7:49 p.m.

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nonayerbsns writes:

SHE APOLOGIZED PROFUSELY and SHE WOULDN'T CHANGE A THING. What the fkuc?
July 1, 2008

7:55 p.m.

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JonJax71 writes:

What is so negative about the lyrics of Lift Ev'ry Voice and Sing?
Even if you don't know them the words are printed for all to see. Please point out the "unpatriotic" words of this very positive song that doesn't mention race or color.

Jose Feliciano "dared" to scat at the end of his singing of the anthem at the 1968 Major League All-Star Game in Detroit that was televised nationally by NBC, a year later Jimi Hendrix gave us a rock version at Woodstock.

I found it more disrespectful that the councilman who introduced Ms. Marie stumbled and didn't say her name correctly.
July 1, 2008

7:56 p.m.

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Finding_Forever writes:

The whites are angry now, there will be hell to pay!
July 1, 2008

8 p.m.

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Finding_Forever writes:

Oh and kudos to RMN for posting this story on the front page. Way to get a mini-race riot started on your site. Great job editors, great job!
July 1, 2008

8:03 p.m.

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American100 writes:

JonJax71- You are missing the point by a mile.

She was slated to sing the National Anthem but instead she represented herself and "her race" as sneeky low life, American haters.

I am glad she did.

This cost Obama lots of votes.

I hope this hits national news over and over just like when Obama Mama said she had never been proud of America.

McCain can just sit back and let the Obama followers bite Obama in the AS*S.
July 1, 2008

8:04 p.m.

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Alive writes:

One more thing to divide us. To focus on what our differences are rather than what we share is dysfunctional. Displays like today are selfish things. Things best left to the schoolyard.

Too many people base their personal identity on their DNA rather than their personal accomplishments. DNA is something we do not choose. It really isn't much of an accomplishment to be any certain color. What you DO WITH YOUR TIME ON EARTH defines who you are and nothing else.

True adults see the folly of such inappropriate behavior. Those steeped in hatred do not.
July 1, 2008

8:04 p.m.

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ollie writes:

All you don't forget to wash and press your white robes for the convention.
July 1, 2008

8:09 p.m.

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Alive writes:

WOW ollie! You sure showed us. You must be a born leader.
July 1, 2008

8:19 p.m.

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AC writes:

I just read the words to "Lift Every Voice and Sing." What is wrong with you fools? Holy cow. Cost Obama votes? Anybody who reads the song's lyrics will be moved to patriotism. You bigots are astounding in your knee-jerk ill-informed comments.
July 1, 2008

8:23 p.m.

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mikeyg writes:

Let's see, she told nobody but her husband and mentor, so she had a pretty good idea what she was about to do was inappropriate at best, despicable in reality. Mayor Hickenlooper can only bring himself to express his "disappointment" when he clearly should have expressed his disgust. And she did it to celebrate her anticipated President Obama.

Look here, folks, this is what Democrats in power looks like. Get a real good look at it and understand this is what you'll be voting for if you chose Obama and Udall on your ballot this fall. It is pure, unadulterated hatred towards America, all she ever has been, all she is, and for anyone who opposes reparations, black superiority, gay superiority and white apology and oppression to "atone for the sins of the past" these Democrats and so called agreived groups demand.

Quit kidding yourself if you think it will be anything but what you've seen already. All "change" isn't good.
July 1, 2008

8:25 p.m.

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American100 writes:

AC it that she was supposed to sing the National Anthem not turn it into a racial conflict.

You're kidding yourself if you think this won't cost Obama votes.
July 1, 2008

8:25 p.m.

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Finding_Forever writes:

Everyone that actually knows the lyrics, or have read them doesnt have a problem with it AC. Just the fact that its known as the Black National Anthem is enough to get them all rallied up. "We cant have the negros making up songs that represent their freedom and pride, its an abomination and must be dealt with swiftly!"
July 1, 2008

8:27 p.m.

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WyoDutch writes:

As a lifelong Goldwater Republican, I'm voting for Obama.

The GOP, under the inept watch of the Connecticut Cowboy has lost their way. Good Lord... running McCain for President????

I figure the last, best hope for the Republic and the Grand Old Party is 4 years of seeing our American culture stamped underfoot by the Obamaites. If that doesn't wake us up... nothing will.
July 1, 2008

8:29 p.m.

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ccon writes:

Neat! I never really liked the original version anyway.
July 1, 2008

8:33 p.m.

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mrfxx writes:

This article points out that the performer was asked to perform the National Anthem and chose to substitute the "black national anthem" (just curious: which nation) so she should at least be reprimanded and, as others have said, never given the opportunity to pull a stunt like that again. (It would be an entirely different situation if her choice was pre-approved - which this article clearly states was not the case.)

Meanwhile - for those of you who are so irate that a black would dare pull a stunt like this, one must guess that you will be attending the "Stars and Bars Boat Parade" on Lake Dillon on the Fourth. Or will you protest that chosen title (considering that the Stars and Bars was used as the official flag of the Confederacy from March 1861 to May of 1863) - or is it acceptable when a bunch of whites pull a stunt like that?
July 1, 2008

8:36 p.m.

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LoneTreeLady75 writes:

African-Americans are just as much apart of this countries history as anyone else, so whats all the fuss about? Maybe she shouldnt have mixed it in with the "regular" anthem, but this is minuscule in the grand scheme of things to the people that are actually worried about their brothers in Iraq, or the cost of a gallon of milk & gas, or the gross amount of child molestors in the country.
July 1, 2008

8:41 p.m.

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MaxInEnglewood writes:

She didnt do the ol' shuck and jive afterwards, or give a mighty fine thanks to the "nice mistahs" for the gracious opprotunity. Maybe thats what mad them mad? (sarcasm)
July 1, 2008

8:41 p.m.

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July 1, 2008

8:42 p.m.

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MaxInEnglewood writes:

made*
July 1, 2008

8:48 p.m.

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peachy0301 writes:

The point is that she chose to sing what is known as the "BLACK national anthem" instead of THE National Anthem. She knew what she was asked to do and she chose to do something else to promote the same types of things that have been prevalent in Obama's campaign. From Michelle Obama's comments about how she has never been proud of her country until her husband ran for president, about how we are hate-filled, and on and on. From Jeremiah Wright and his hate filled anti white speech. From every aspect of race that the Obama campaign has pushed this fits right in.

Expect more of this if Obama is elected president. It's not just what is said, it's the "attitude".
July 1, 2008

8:52 p.m.

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Finding_Forever writes:

Exactly what "attitude" peachy? Please enlighten me...
July 1, 2008

8:54 p.m.

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Scott writes:

Oh now come one RMN! I only quoted the old Soviet national anthem! What was sooooo offensive about that? Was it because I attributed it to the democrats? I'll have you wimps know that I am a democrat!

scott
July 1, 2008

8:55 p.m.

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Oh_Wise_One writes:

The next time some Black or African-American or Negro person is offended because some 'white' person did something they don't agree with... tough. Be offended, that's your problem.
July 1, 2008

8:56 p.m.

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olsonmt writes:

There is no such thing as a black national anthem - I don't care what anyone calls it. Why is it that the people who don't see this event as a place for a (fictitious) black national anthem are called racists? Are they not advocating the exact opposite of racism? This was improper, disrespectful, and unecessary - ironic that Marie thinks this is a necessary statement during a year when a black (and white) man is going to be President.
July 1, 2008

9:02 p.m.

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olsonmt writes:

There is no right or wrong in the liberal mind. There is no good or evil in the liberal mind. There is no respect or disrespect in the liberal mind. The above comments prove the resident liberals on the DP posts will even support what was a very tasteless act.

Who's lying? Either Hickenlooper lied that she apologized or she is lying that she wouldn't change a thing.
July 1, 2008

9:03 p.m.

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MattGuyver_007 writes:

She was asked to sing the National Anthem- not a 'Black' derivation thereof.

Racism will only be truly solved when there is NO 'Black', 'White', etc... when skin color is not even mentioned or considered.

Still today, it doesn't go both ways- the white, Christian man is always branded the racist.
July 1, 2008

9:04 p.m.

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Cliffjumper writes:

It has nothing to do with the words of the song she sang. It is a nice song. The issue is this was an official meeting and she was supposed to sing our National Anthem. She in essence slapped every American Patriot in the face by substituting another song. If Hicky had flown another flag besides the American Flag we would be just as upset. Once again we can all see what "patriotism" means to the left. Hate and attack America and those that stand up for her. So go ahead call me a "flag waiver, apple pie loving, red necked, racist, bigot, ect." I know where my loyalties are, and am proud of my country, it's flag, and what it stands for! I am not ashamed to be hated by the enemies of my country both foreign and domestic. I really can't believe this happened of all weeks, during the week of the 4th of July. This was a classless lady who deserves no respect or sympathy. I hope she hears it when next she performs in the mile high city.

PS I have never seen so many deleted comments before, I think a couple people were very upset like me.
July 1, 2008

9:05 p.m.

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July 1, 2008

9:07 p.m.

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SteveC writes:

Why is there a "Black national anthem"? We don't have a White national anthem or Asian or Hispanic or whatever national anthems. I guess I don't get it. The national is is just that, The NATIONAL anthem.
July 1, 2008

9:08 p.m.

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Finding_Forever writes:

Well said McGowdog!
July 1, 2008

9:09 p.m.

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Scott writes:

Cliffjumper:

I completely agree with your comments.

Regarding your "ps" my comment was a sarcastic comment that I would have thought that it would have sang the old Soviet national anthem. The "pantie waists" at RMN yanked that. I sent an email to Daniel J requesting and explanation as to what was so offensive. I'll post the response ... if I get one.

Scott
July 1, 2008

9:11 p.m.

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T1anda writes:

This Rene Marie(who?) pulled a sneaky, classless and completely tacky stunt.

There is only ONE National Anthem for America Rene!!! GET OVER IT!!You're nothing but an arrogant, little known, (loosley!!)singer.
July 1, 2008

9:11 p.m.

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Cliffjumper writes:

"titancain writes:

I guess no rapes were committed by Catholic Priests today. Yet this what the far right whites christians are enraged about? Hipocrites."

Hmm now that does not sound racist, must be a liberal so this kind of thing is ok to say. How could I have been so mistaken to think it could be racism? funny how no comments here have been posted by self described "white Christians" and yet Titancain is convinced only white Christians are enraged about this travesty of our National Anthem. go wonder-
July 1, 2008

9:15 p.m.

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arby writes:

The lyrics to the song Rene Marie sang are very good and she does the song justice. It's not racial and applies to all Americans, in fact to all people anywhere.

However it was not the song she was invited to sing. Period. If the Mayor had any cajones he would have taken the mike out of her hand and excused her on the spot.
But I forget he's a politician.
July 1, 2008

9:20 p.m.

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Scott writes:

arby sez: "... If the Mayor had any cajones ..."

It's the first thing to go when they run for office ;-)

Scott
July 1, 2008

9:25 p.m.

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kali73 writes:

Well, Rene got her spotlight by giving up her country. Too bad because she really is an awesome jazz club singer - but apparently has no personal responsibility like the rest of America! Also, how can RMN report Hickenlooper said "that she apologized profusely" yet also saying "she has no regrets"?
July 1, 2008

9:26 p.m.

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Cliffjumper writes:

I just read hicky's statement. I can not believe he is only sorry this is a distraction. He has no respect for our National Anthem, talk about crass, and at a state of the city meeting? Wow, that has to be a new low, might even be worse than the slap to our National Anthem by the floozy singer.
July 1, 2008

9:35 p.m.

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dragonfly writes:

This is from the last line of the Black National Anthem - "True to our God, true to our native land." The word "America" nor any other reference to the United States appears in this anthem. What is meant by "native land"?
July 1, 2008

9:42 p.m.

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imjonah writes:

As a Public Service for all my friends from the left, the words to your anthem.

"The Internationale"

1. Arise! ye starvelings, from your slumbers;
Arise! ye prisoners of want.
For reason in revolt now thunders
And ends at last the age of cant.
Away with all your superstitions
Servile masses, arise! arise!
We’ll change henceforth the old tradition
And spurn the dust to win the prize.
Chorus
So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale
Unites the human race.
July 1, 2008

9:45 p.m.

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Scott writes:

imjonah,

You're in trouble now! I posted the first verse of the soviet national anthem and the pansies at RMN nuke it.

Scott
July 1, 2008

9:50 p.m.

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July 1, 2008

9:56 p.m.

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July 1, 2008

9:57 p.m.

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Scott writes:

Oh_Wise_one,

They gotcha! ... but they left imjonah. The P.C. Thought Control at RMN is working overtime! Maybe they've got a rookie working the DELETE key tonight. Good thing I didn't repost my original comment.

Scott ;-)
July 1, 2008

10:05 p.m.

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jacka writes:

It is wrong to email Hancock, call Hickenlooper instead.
July 1, 2008

10:05 p.m.

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Scott writes:

Oh_Wise_One,

It is now 10:05 and the RMN P.C. Thought Control hasn't nuked your 9:56 repost. It must be on a potty break ;-)

Scott
July 1, 2008

10:06 p.m.

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JonJax71 writes:

Arby wrote <<<If the Mayor had any cajones he would have taken the mike out of her hand and excused her on the spot >>>

Cajones? what do having boxes apply your statement?
July 1, 2008

10:08 p.m.

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Scott writes:

JonJax71:

In answer to your question, nothing. The RMN purity filter will not let you spell c0jones. Note that I had to use a zero instead of the letter 'o'.

Scott
July 1, 2008

10:08 p.m.

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American100 writes:

I just saw this low life America hater on the news (Marie).

She is as dumb as the stunt she pulled & she said she does NOT apologize for it.

POS
July 1, 2008

10:09 p.m.

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Synsatational1 writes:

***Just another example of *reverse racism*

It validates my belief that blacks are every bit as racist against whites,as whites have ever been to them!!!

And before you cry and call me a hater/racist.......just give everybody a little lie detector test for verification....(I'm sure you'll find the results,quite interesting)
July 1, 2008

10:10 p.m.

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Scott writes:

Oh_Wise_One,

Oops, the RMN P.C. Thought Control just got back from potty break at 10:09. They nuked it :-)

Scott
July 1, 2008

10:13 p.m.

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Who_Me writes:

Let's go. Who's up for writing the white national anthem?
July 1, 2008

10:13 p.m.

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TroubledOne writes:

Just wait untill Obama is president and then we will see this crap all the time.
July 1, 2008

10:16 p.m.

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kotamax writes:

Nice song, but NOT the national anthem. I do not understand how people can profess to be American, and yet want their own rules. Do they not understand the concept of UNITED States? That means that there are certain standards, etc that are universal for ALL Americans. ONE American flag, ONE national anthem, etc. If you are an American citizen, BE AMERICAN. It doesn't matter what your color or your religion is. If you don't want to be an American, then do us all a favor and move to another country.
July 1, 2008

10:16 p.m.

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Openminded1 writes:

It might have been wrong, but a race war, come on folks, end of the election process, the soviet union, she's a racist, america is going to burn..this is pathetic..LOL LMAO...and people think there is no racism in america..
July 1, 2008

10:17 p.m.

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July 1, 2008

10:17 p.m.

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mojosloho writes:

Made the fool of the Mayor....Although that's not hard to do!
What a completely selfish act....by a completely selfish person. Still divided country we stand!!!
July 1, 2008

10:20 p.m.

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Synsational1 writes:

***What's next.....A Black National Flag???
July 1, 2008

10:20 p.m.

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TroubledOne writes:

HICKenlooper has been a total hayseed limp wristed mayor from the start. Why do we expect anything diffrent from him now.
July 1, 2008

10:21 p.m.

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dragonfly writes:

Rene Marie is drinking the Barrack Koolaid. Her spiteful attitude toward this country is clearly evident. Expect more of this as Barrack marches toward victory. The black-white crevice is widening and sadly, it will swallow this country down to its darkest depths.
July 1, 2008

10:21 p.m.

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Synsational1 writes:

***Or maybe..........A Black 4th of July???
July 1, 2008

10:21 p.m.

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WestminsterJ writes:

imjonah- Thanks! That was inspiring!
July 1, 2008

10:22 p.m.

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Spuds writes:

Sounds like fear of a Black Planet or Country anyway. Just wait till Obama gets in office.
Looks like the shoe is on the other foot now. Ha!
July 1, 2008

10:25 p.m.

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Synsational1 writes:

***Here's a motto for all the minorities in this great Country........"America,Love It....Or Leave It"
July 1, 2008

10:25 p.m.

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Scott writes:

synsational1 questions: "***What's next.....A Black National Flag???"

Yup. Check out this site: http://www.richmonddiocese.org/obc/fl...
or this one, http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/Flags/us...

Scott
July 1, 2008

10:26 p.m.

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American100 writes:

Not yet spuds. Obama followers keep biting him in the AS*S.
July 1, 2008

10:26 p.m.

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Synsational1 writes:

Hey Spuds.....thanks for proving my point!!!
July 1, 2008

10:28 p.m.

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Spuds writes:

"

Synsational1 writes:

***Here's a motto for all the minorities in this great Country........"America,Love It....Or Leave It"

I thought that the Whites are now the minority in Denver nowadays. Wonder where they will go?
July 1, 2008

10:29 p.m.

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Synsational1 writes:

Scott-

Thanks.....(good to know about that)
July 1, 2008

10:31 p.m.

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July 1, 2008

10:33 p.m.

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Spuds writes:

All that meeting was missing was Ward Churchill as the keynote speaker.
I'm telling ya this could be the change that Obama keeps talking about.
July 1, 2008

10:36 p.m.

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SteveT8 writes:

Poor dear. She thought Barack had already been elected and his promised changes had already come to pass. Just a little premature. Barack might just appoint her to the Supreme Court where she can continue the fine liberal tradition of re-writing America's codes and heritage she doesn't agree with.
July 1, 2008

10:41 p.m.

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Synsational1 writes:

Westminsterj/Spudnic........Isn't it ironic that your boy-(Great Black Hype-O'bama)could be the catalyst for bringing awareness of your evil intentions to the white majority and ultimately destroying his chances for presidency.(I hope so)
July 1, 2008

10:50 p.m.

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Spuds writes:

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Synsational1 writes:

Westminsterj/Spudnic........Isn't it ironic that your boy-(Great Black Hype-O'bama)could be the catalyst for bringing awareness of your evil intentions to the white majority and ultimately destroying his chances for presidency.(I hope so)"

Now why did you go and have to call him "boy"?
July 1, 2008

10:53 p.m.

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Synsational1 writes:

Yeahhh boyyyyyy!!!
July 1, 2008

10:55 p.m.

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Darvvin writes:

Yesterday, no one knew who she was.
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Tomorrow, she will be a household name.
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Cha-Ching and Bling Bling!
July 1, 2008

10:55 p.m.

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Synsational1 writes:

***Just a little sumpt'n sumpt'n I picked up from Snoop Dogg!!!
July 1, 2008

10:56 p.m.

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Spuds writes:

But seriously as an earlier poster mentioned this was an act of civil disobedience and you have to admit it took a bawlz to to pull it off.
And what gets me if everyone was so outraged why were they applauding afterwards?

We shall over come.
July 1, 2008

10:59 p.m.

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American100 writes:

She just killed her career.

Most club owners don't want so much conflict. There are lots of talented singers out there you can replace her.

They will find out quickly how many DO NOT support this anti-American attitude.
July 1, 2008

11:08 p.m.

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mmmark217 writes:

First off, let me say, that I beleive in an individuals right to beleive in just about anything. Having said that, I am completely and utterly insulted by this action. Last time I checked, THERE WAS ONLY ONE NATIONAL ANTHEM IN THIS COUNTRY. This was a completely devisive act. The National Anthem is written and used as a means to Unite the Country, not devide it. And like I said, LAST TIME I CHECKED THERE WAS ONLY ONE NATIONAL ANTHEM IN THIS COUNTRY. If she was paid to perform, I absolutely would Stiff her.
July 1, 2008

11:09 p.m.

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Synsational1 writes:

Spudnic....thanks,dude.You keep proving my point,it's totally awesome bra- ((glad you noticed the "boy" part of O'bummer!!!))
July 1, 2008

11:27 p.m.

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portal_pyramids writes:

I truly find it sad that people are so polarized in their views. Because she is black, it becomes a race issue. Because it's not white guys with suites it's liberal democrats. How is this supposed to reflect on Obama or somehow reveal the future?
It is so sad that some people think because of this Obama will lose votes or that somehow McCain is a better candidate for it. The way I see it John McCain is aligned with the Bush administration and we can expect more of the same. He thinks the biggest threat to our country is terrorism and Republicans think with their guts. Scary stuff.
If you have lost your identity or never had your own that you feel you need to divide and separate it is a shame that you fail to realize we are all connect and yet unique. I hate to see racism is still alive and well and that republicans are up to their old tricks of trying to use fear and hate to get votes. I see through it all and i hope there are others.
July 1, 2008

11:33 p.m.

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BillK writes:

If the singer said she did it on purpose, “has no regrets” and states “I would not change a thing,” how does that correlate with:

"Hickenlooper said in an interview that he spoke to Marie after the ceremony and that she apologized profusely."

If she did it on purpose and would do it again, why did she “apologize profusely”?!?!

Chacon should have done more to pursue THAT angle of the story…
July 1, 2008

11:34 p.m.

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aRe writes:

Wow, so much blind nationalism here... It almost borders on sheer facism.

When will some of you actually get the fact that the REAL beauty of the flag, the National Anthem, and all he other things that make our country so wonderful is that these things can be challenged, reinturpreted, or even burned.

Without the rights that these symbols represent a flag is just a piece of cloth and the National Anthem is just an awkward song (actually poem) to sing.
July 1, 2008

11:42 p.m.

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portal_pyramids writes:

I can feel the fear and anger in some of these comments. That is the scary thing. Look in the mirror and speak some of the things you type. It might just wake you up from the hate and fear.
Does anyone really want things to continue as they are? I know change can be scary but consider the alternative.
July 2, 2008

12:08 a.m.

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gem writes:

National Black Anthem???? James Weldon Johnson wasn't even black!!!
July 2, 2008

12:12 a.m.

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nimbusco writes:

Folks, there is a white national anthem. It's called "The Star Spangled Banner". Written by a white man, set to a white drinking tune, about a battle fought between white people. It was not adopted as the national anthem of the USA until 1931, over 100 years after it was written and 31 years after "Lift Every Voice and Sing" was written in 1900. Before 1931, "The Star Spangled Banner" was one of several patriotic songs used at important events. For many years, "Hail, Columbia!" was the first choice. "Lift Every Voice and Sing" is a song written by blacks that they preferred to use at the time, as it spoke more directly to their experience coming out of slavery.

I would say doing a surprise substitution of the lyrics was not a good idea on the singer's part. But it's not a racist song. I'm white and I've sung it during MLK and similar events (even before I knew it was the "black national anthem").
July 2, 2008

12:48 a.m.

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Joebob writes:

I'm personally stunned by the level of hate, racism, and ignorance show by some of the people here. Most of you have confused patriotism with nationalism, and are obviously convinced that criticism is unpatriotic- what you are all espousing is not democracy, not even republicanism, but a blunted form of fascism, where only ideas that are positive to the current administration or ruling party is acceptable.
Firstly, your fallacious comments regarding Ms. Marie's song and it's assumed effect on the DNC are beyond uninformed- will this affect Sen. Obama because he's black and she sung the "black national anthem"? Probably not- she never said anything about politics and I assume neither did this in support of or in collusion with Obama or the Democratic party... Asserting that it will somehow have an effect clearly illustrates a racial intent- She's black, and so is Obama! Bam- Limbaugh Logic. It's not true- does McCain lose votes every time someone with an Irish surname does something unpopular? No. Does one woman not singing the song she was supposed to bode ill for the security of the DNC? Not likely... 50,000 protesters is not anything at all like one jazz singer invited to sing at city hall. (And the fact that no one interrupted is a good indication that all those assembled were at least polite.)
Secondly, have you ever thought that people like you are the reason the Republican party and conservatism in general is so unpopular these days? Blind, unwavering support for a corrupt administration, thinking you're patriots by waving your flags and signing off on oppression, posting vaguely racist comments on the RMN board... It may surprise some of you, but Black people, Hispanic people, non-Christians,and even women can vote nowadays! And not all of them are liberal socially or fiscally- but when the face of the Republicans and conservatism on the ground is a bunch of blind nationalists, overcome by the perfume of their patriotism and love of "America, our way or no way"- it turns more people away than attracts them. Why would I want to continue to vote for a party that has trampled our constitution, threatens our rights, advocates a single religion, and spends money like it's going out of style... I'd rather have Eugene Debs in office right now than turn the country over to people like yourselves. What Republican businessman would want to associate with a bunch of people who speak with forked tongues about any of their customer base? What socially conservative black man would want to even be remotely associated with "patriots" like you?
Should she have sung the national anthem? Maybe. Does it offend me that she didn't? Not at all- an essential part of democracy is the voice of the people: I don't always agree with what everyone says, but that's what made this country great- not just some words set to a British drinking song.
July 2, 2008

2:44 a.m.

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mikeyg writes:

Rene Marie article in RMN, 1/12/08:

"They also know about her penchant for risk - for defying authoritarian club owners, for liberating standard tunes from their ancient cocoons, for launching her socially provocative originals, with scant rehearsal, in packed concert halls."
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news...

So Hick & Co. are trying to put out that they had no idea she would do her own "socially provocative" rendition of the U.S. National Anthem? My rear end. Don't be duped folks by their non-apology apologies. This is the modern liberal, Democratic party, Hick, Obama, all of them. They'll urinate on you and tell you it's raining.

Obama, Hick, all of them represent a cleverly repackaged radical liberalism, a liberalism that wants to reinvent this nation in their image, their socialist idea of utopia, casting off all of the traditions and values that have made her great. I expect the nonsensical defenses raised by the radical liberals in these comments; this is all part of their agenda. But to you independent thinkers and centrists out there being drawn in by the siren song of Obama and his supporters: The change they offer is not the change you want.
July 2, 2008

3:03 a.m.

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jugdish writes:

Andy writes:
Ah, the power of civil disobedience.
You have to admit, that took guts.
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Jugdish so offended by this all.
No guts. No civil disobedience.
Disrespect. Selfishness.
Remind Jugdish of when protesters picket at funeral of soldiers.
Shameful. Wrong place for statement making.
July 2, 2008

4:34 a.m.

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Vector049 writes:

Thanks to this soul stunt I have become very leery about voting for Obama.
July 2, 2008

4:57 a.m.

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CP writes:

Kick this B out of the US.
July 2, 2008

5:18 a.m.

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mmmark217 writes:

Let me say this. I am more Liberal than not. Having said that, I find this action entirely offensive. Not because the singer was black, But because IT WASN'T THE NATIONAL ANTHEM. I happen to support the Freedom of Speech. But she was not there to give a speech, she was there to sing Our National Anthem. Of which, there is only ONE last time I checked. When the Star Spangle Banner was adopted or whether or not it's a british drinking tune is irrelevant to me. The Fact That It Is OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM is the Key Point Here. Had she been asked to "Interpret" the National Anthem, then she should've been given a chance to. BUT SHE WAS HIRED TO SING THE NATIONS NATIONAL ANTHEM, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW, THE STAR SPANGLED BANNER. Don't Pay Her Hickenlooper. She didn't perform what she was ASKED to perform.
July 2, 2008

5:19 a.m.

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LOUIE writes:

At the next gathering of Democrats, lets skip the American flag pins, and the national anthem of America, and play "My Sweet Irish Rose". My grandmother will tear up for sure! Mr. Hinkenlooper, your getting on my nerves, what's next, my firecrackers going to be outlawed by your Democratic Party on America's independance day?
July 2, 2008

5:26 a.m.

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mmmark217 writes:

Let me also say this. The last time I heard the National Anthem sung correctly, as it was written to be sung, was by Whitney Houston. She hit all the notes properly, and didn't add "Soul" to it. All these singers that are putting (sp?) "Soul" into the song, in my opinion just can't hit the notes properly. The "Lilt" they put into the song, just proves that they can't actually sing the song the way it was written.
July 2, 2008

5:32 a.m.

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youngman writes:

Actually the best version is the guy at the Avalanche games...Jake Schroder(sp)...he belts it out.....

I reccomend instead of paying her..buy her a one way ticket to her homeland that she loves so much...a "make a wish" thing
July 2, 2008

5:41 a.m.

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blacksho89 writes:

What I want is the contents of the alleged "Hate Mail".
The first sentence of the article references it; but after that, nothing is printed.

Daniel Chacon, I call you out. There was no hate mail, was there? You made it up.

Let's see the "hate mail", Daniel.
July 2, 2008

5:43 a.m.

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mmmark217 writes:

One more thing, before I go. If you want a good interpretation or rendition of "The Star Spangled Banner" you should hear the song as "interpreted" by Jimi Hendrix at Woodstock 1968. Jimi jazzed the song up a bit, but his "interpretation" of the song is one of the most beautiful "interpretations" I've ever heard, at least on guitar anyway. Joe Satriani, another guitar virtuoso has done the "Star Spangled Banner" as well, but doesn't quite capture it the way Jimi did.
July 2, 2008

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July 2, 2008

6:11 a.m.

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ML writes:

I would tell her if she doesn't like it here in America, well, don't let the door hit you in the a$$ on your way out!
July 2, 2008

6:24 a.m.

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July 2, 2008

6:26 a.m.

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treecat writes:

Denver has Sold the pocket books of their future generations.

For what.......!
July 2, 2008

6:30 a.m.

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JackieMC writes:

Divide and conquer. It's working.
July 2, 2008

6:31 a.m.

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commoncents writes:

The worse things get maybe people will get back to what really matters. If singing the national anthem was such a magical, powerful thing that this event has made it out to be this country would be in much better shape financially, healthier, smarter, and with less people desperate to lash out at anyone who isn't just like them. It is a song that has been chopped up by many, and people in attendance at the events usually don't know the proper behavior to be observed during its playing/singing. Much like the idiots that improperly display the flag.
Events like this just allow more racists and bigots to feel justified in outing themselves to the world. Which is ultimately a good thing since you should know who is really worth listening to in the first place. Back to work........please join me slackers
July 2, 2008

6:32 a.m.

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cmgdenver writes:

Why has this become a race issue? It was a song - the wrong song but a song. Black Americans homeland is America - America was built on the backs of blacks. Why is it wrong to have a song that respresents' American freedom. Why was Obama even brought up in this discussion? I am black and like the National Anthem and the Black National Anthem. Both songs speak to our great country.

Seems like Denver is not as progressive as we thought. Do the right thing, focus on important issues.

If you are not racist quit writing hurtful things.
July 2, 2008

6:39 a.m.

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youngman writes:

If you are not RACIST...sing the ONLY National Anthem of the United States of America.....she is the racist
July 2, 2008

6:40 a.m.

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fluxtube writes:

It was a song - the wrong song but a song.

So singing Dixie would have been OK?
July 2, 2008

6:46 a.m.

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Alive writes:

Hick is spineless. Not even the courage to stand up for our national anthem. All of them were spineless for letting this slide. Where are the true leaders?
July 2, 2008

6:55 a.m.

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July 2, 2008

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Scott writes:

mmmark217:

Thank you so much for reminding me of Miss Houston's rendition of the Star Spangled Banner. YES! The lady sang it perfectly. I still remember her performance.

Thanks again,
Scott
July 2, 2008

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July 2, 2008

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July 2, 2008

7:15 a.m.

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FlyfishDude52 writes:

It appears that this little act, with the above article, has certainly polarized the blogging community!!!

In past times this would have been viewed as traitorous. I respect her opinion, as I do most people, but she crossed the proverbial line. If she were in the nation called the Black United States the anthem would have been appropriate, but I've never heard of that place.
July 2, 2008

7:49 a.m.

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Fisherman writes:

Rene seems to be part of the Rev. Wright Black Liberation Theology, Afro-centric, black separatist Farakan, "For the first time in my life..." Michelle O., flag pin removing Barrack, race baiting Jackson and Sharpton, reparations, "you owe me" crowd. Rene, for your own selfish reasons you have just taken this country back two more steps.
July 2, 2008

7:53 a.m.

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Davek80501 writes:

This just shows that she untrustworthy,deceitful,racist and she has proved that her word is worth nothing. Do you think she really cares? I don't think she does. This just shows everyone what kind of person she really is. I will make sure that any company that employs her I will never spend a penny at. Sorry Shadow Theater Company you have lost a customer if she is in the show.
July 2, 2008

7:55 a.m.

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Arja_A writes:

I see a lot of people here asking why race is being brought up in these posts. In my opinion, Ms. Marie brought race into this issue by singing a song knows as the "Black" National Anthem, instead of singing what she hired to sing.

I've read the words to the Black National Anthem, and I think it is a beautiful song. It's still not America's National Anthem.

People should consider themselves Americans FIRST and Black/White/Hispanic SECOND.
July 2, 2008

7:59 a.m.

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SockRayBlue writes:

And so the separation of a once great country begins in earnest. Hispanic west coast. Puerto Rican east coast. African mid-west. White center. Random tribes scattered within. I feel like Rip Van Winkle after he woke up. What the hell happened?
July 2, 2008

7:59 a.m.

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SanctuaryCity writes:

Next year, sanctuary city is having a mariachi band
July 2, 2008

8:03 a.m.

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DakotaBronco writes:

Wow, the true big0ts in Colo. come out in unison. She is not a racist for singin the Black National Anthem. She is doing something she feels strongly about, which is her God and Constitional right.
July 2, 2008

8:05 a.m.

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samanthacat0 writes:

This was an act of gross disrespect to our country and to our men and women in arms, regardless of color.

This harmed the cause of racial harmony just as much as the Hispanic protestors who waved the Mexican flag and shouted about "reconquesta"!

Shame on her and shame on Hick for not stopping it as it happened.
July 2, 2008

8:05 a.m.

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gem writes:

Frankly, as a black social conservative I am appalled. Every black person knows that song is strictly reserved for black occasions where it can get the reverence it deserves and is not for the entertainment of others. Half of you didnt even know there was a black national anthem and now look. Next thing you know everyone will be singing it and it will go the way of jazz and the blues. But don't yew all worry your pretty lil heads. A copy of "What Every Colored Person Should Know" was delivered to her along with a stern lecture on how to behave in front of white folks.
July 2, 2008

8:05 a.m.

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BJG writes:

I don't think this is a race issue. This lady took it upon herself to sing a song she was not asked to sing at a public event. Not a wise choice. This also has nothing to do with B Obama, he didn't call her and suggest that she sing "Lift Ev'ry Voice and Sing. So let' get over our hysteria about this event and get on with the real things that matter.
July 2, 2008

8:09 a.m.

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Davek80501 writes:

DakotaBronco, "Wow, the true big0ts in Colo. come out in unison. She is not a racist for singin the Black National Anthem. She is doing something she feels strongly about, which is her God and Constitional right.

She has no right to change the song she "AGREED" to sing. It was not her event!
July 2, 2008

8:10 a.m.

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mmmark217 writes:

DakotaBronco,
This lady DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT in the venue in which she sang the song. If she was HIRED to sing the National Anthem, She should have SUNG THE NATIONAL ANTHEM. Don't Pay Her Hickenlooper. She failed to perform her duties. It's has abso-freaking-lutely nothing to do with race. It has everyting to do with performing the job you were Paid to perform.
July 2, 2008

8:10 a.m.

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Arja_A writes:

Dakota Bronco...

What about my constitutional right? I don't want to hear the Black National Anthem when I am expecting to hear THE National Anthem. How about those rights?

Either way, I hope it was worth it for her.
July 2, 2008

8:11 a.m.

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davies writes:

Add this white guy to the list of people who don't see what all the big fuss is about.

It wasn't the right lyrics, and she deserves a scolding for substituting them without the permission of the sponsor. But the lyrics are not racist.

You peeps who are going apoplectic are giving her more publicity than she deserves.
July 2, 2008

8:12 a.m.

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Marshdale writes:

Outrider. I'm sorry, but your statement is ignorant and not very well thought out. Obviously you have never experienced discrimination like you spew, so you have no clue about the cultural prediciment minorities face. Apparently you are one of the types who likes to blame your woes on someone who can't defend them selves. More power to her. The National anthem is nothing more than a story about a battle during a time when African Americans were not free. So you explain the significance of it to someone who was not free at the time it was penned. There is none.
July 2, 2008

8:13 a.m.

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ham writes:

I look forward to sporting events in the next 5 or 10 years. The entire crowd can sing different versions of the National anthem, and just put in whatever lyrics suits their own agenda.
July 2, 2008

8:14 a.m.

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olsonmt writes:

The fact that not one of our city's leaders interrupted her shows what kind of leaership we really have. They didn't need to shout or rip the microphone out of her hand. Hick could have politely stood up and interrupted her. He could have clarified that she was not singing the song she was hired to sing. He could have given her the choice to sing the national anthem or to leave. If she left, he could have led the city in the anthem or the pledge.
July 2, 2008

8:15 a.m.

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mmmark217 writes:

Oh and another thing. It's called "Breech of Contract" when a person fails to perform that which they were Hired to do in the Public Sector. If a political figure, policeman or firefighter, for example, fails to perform their job properly, the legal term for that failure is called "Malfeasence".

Here Endeth The Lesson.
July 2, 2008

8:16 a.m.

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Oh_Wise_One writes:

Site Staff- You are fascist censors. Your deletions are worse than the comments.

Stick a fork in Obambi come November but show isn't over until the Lady sings the Blues.
July 2, 2008

8:18 a.m.

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samanthacat0 writes:

This is an example of a woman, who happens to be black, singing our national anthem the way it should be done.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7GzlGMxJO7U
July 2, 2008

8:20 a.m.

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Alive writes:

Marshdale

Our national anthem is about ALL OF US. It's not about your personal feelings. If you want a different anthem then enact legislation, otherwise deal with it. This was a selfish and disrespectful act we are free to complain about it all we want.
July 2, 2008

8:30 a.m.

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HRMom writes:

Reading about the event yesterday makes me truly sad. I just returned from a trip back east where I took my children to Fort McHenry in Baltimore. Hopefully all of you know the significance, but if not, let me tell the story.

During the Battle of Baltimore in the War of 1812, Francis Scott Key was a prisoner on a British boat in the Harbor watching the fight. There was a special flag made for the battle that was flying over the Fort. The next morning, when Key saw the US flag still flying he was moved to write the words that are OUR National Anthem.

This was my second visit to the site and I was deeply moved both times wih pride and gratitude for this great nation.

I understand and respect that there is a terrible history for blacks in this country and I believe it is a history we should never forget. However, we are ONE country. And this woman was asked to sing the National Anthem. She should have respected the request and done what was asked of her, or declined the invitation.

Sadly, I think this is just the beginning of what we will see, not only at the Denver Convention, but also under a (God forbid) "President Obama".
July 2, 2008

8:31 a.m.

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denverinfidel writes:

The fact that there is a "black" national anthem is enough to bother most people. Imagine the riots if someone got up and sang a self-declared "white" national anthem.

Once again, two sets of rule depending on your skin tone.
July 2, 2008

8:32 a.m.

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July 2, 2008

8:37 a.m.

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Diff writes:

I think she did wrong by not living up to her obligation.
I also think MUCH more is being made of this that it deserves! There is certainly nothing offense in the song, nor even anything controversial ...
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She should make a public apology... and we should be done with it!

The city was paying her for her performance she should not get the check - she did not fulfill her contract.

Had she done this version as a second verse - This would have been but a mere mention in the news -if that, but I would bet the extreme right would have still been making just as much noise about it.
You have to consider two things - the source of the loudest objections, and the fact that many people are very emotional about their patriotism and the National Anthem.
LAST NOTE:
- I think it is time to give consideration to changing it anyway; the Star Spangled Banner is outdated - Several other patriotic songs would make the short list. "I'M PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN" ( by Lee Greenwood) would get my vote!
To use another another song - "GET OVER IT" ! ! !
July 2, 2008

8:37 a.m.

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Woogford writes:

Yes, she has a constitutional right to free speech. However, that doesn't mean there aren't consequences for what is spoken. She was asked to sing the National Anthem, she sang something else. I don't care what color, religion, economic standing, political affiliation, or sexual preference she is, what she did was wrong. If she was asked to sing the National Anthem and didn't want to she should have declined upfront instead of pulling this stunt. I don't see any difference between an artist being asked to make an American Flag to be hung in the Statehouse, and the artist deciding that the stars should be moons and the stripes should be wavy and what this woman did. She did not do what she agreed to do.
July 2, 2008

8:39 a.m.

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DMGintheUSA writes:

It seems to me this is not a race issue but a respect issue. The song was introduced as the National Anthem she should have sang "The National Anthem of the United States of America" not LIFT EV'RY VOICE AND SING aka the black national anthem. (Black national anthem what does that really mean?) The lady has a beautiful voice, but she has some real issues with respect and decorum.
July 2, 2008

8:50 a.m.

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timeandagain writes:

obamamama at her finest!!
July 2, 2008

8:53 a.m.

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Scott writes:

featherrock,

Please go back to samanthacat0's 8:18 posting and click on the YouTube link. Me thinks you will change your comment!

samnthacat0:

Miss Knowles did a very good job, but I still say that Miss Houston did it the best! :-)

Scott
July 2, 2008

8:53 a.m.

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Cowboy63 writes:

Will she be singing the Black National Anthem at the DNC in August?
July 2, 2008

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Dawg_Pound writes:

I read a lot of people who aren't concerned about this. Why are you posting? More importantly why aren't you concerned? The existence of greater problems does not mean that smaller one aren't important. We live in great country with great traditions that have meaning that some have forgotten. This lady, however artistic she was trying to be, gave Denver and herself a big black eyeby trampling on the significance of our National Anthem. Shame on you Mayor, you should have come out and condemed the action immediately and even led the crowd in the real anthem.
July 2, 2008

9:02 a.m.

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Scott writes:

Thank God for Al Gore's invention of the internet :^) Here is the YouTube link to Miss Houston singing the REAL National Anthem: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q5GSxSmYvME

If that didn't bring a tear to you eye, then ya ain't an American!

Scott
July 2, 2008

9:03 a.m.

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CWW writes:

Good post, Woogford. What about Hickenlooper? Maybe he could go to Denver General and get a spine transplant.
July 2, 2008

9:05 a.m.

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mark79trans writes:

First, this is Denver. We can't expect a place like Denver to honor the nation's heritage and respect the national anthem or flag.

Second, we pay millions of dollars to athletes who don't stand at attention for the national anthem. So, why the double standard here?

Third, the constitution is dying and our freedoms along with it so what is the point in worrying about this?
July 2, 2008

9:06 a.m.

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SlowWalker writes:

It was wrong -- ethically -- for her to substitute the words to the National Anthem.
Hickenlooper has brought shame upon Denver by not denouncing her for this subterfuge.

This "artist" has no integrity, or personal honor, in my opinion.

Some say this was a small, insignificant "episode" -- naw, it's a BIG, BIG deal. There will be political repercussions for a awhile ....
July 2, 2008

9:11 a.m.

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maudiemaude writes:

Hey, it's Denver and a bunch of Democrats. I'm surprised she didn't sing L'Internationale (the communist anthem). That's the way the whole state is going...bunch of wussies with their organic baseball caps and color-coordinated pretzel platters.
July 2, 2008

9:12 a.m.

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BJG writes:

She sure is getting a lot of publicity.....maybe that was her game. No game no fame.
July 2, 2008

9:14 a.m.

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Butterfly writes:

My, the fascists and racists are out in full force today.

Boo-frickin'-hoo - the black lady sang a song with nice, uplifting lyrics, per her 1st amendment right to do so, and now the U.S. as we know it is going to end. Waaah! Waaah! Cry me a river. Go put on some "made in China" American flag pins to ease your fears. The rest of us have actual problems to worry about - you know gas prices, the economy, the war(s), etc.

Give me a break - you people seriously need to get lives.
July 2, 2008

9:14 a.m.

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Sportz133 writes:

Lord forbid if we ever have a "White" national anthem. Reverse Racism at its best......
July 2, 2008

9:15 a.m.

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American100 writes:

Marie just did Republicans a HUGE favor.

She bit the Democrats right in the AS$S. FUNNY.

She also bit her career in the AS$S.

GREAT JOB STUPID!
July 2, 2008

9:15 a.m.

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Marshdale writes:

Pajama; Bag of filth, spit in my eye, wretched worm. You know that I got my values from my Marine Corp father, uncle, both grandfathers, 6 great uncles. I come from respected servicemen who all served in battle since WWI. All of them are smart enough and understanding enough to know that blind patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. None of them left service to this country thinking they should never question things. Are you so self centered that you can't be open to any other ideas, about what patriotism is. I was taught by these veteran family members to allways question actions of the military, government. They were not even opposed to flag burning because they know it is only a symbol. Are you blinded by symbols to. The only thing that mattered to them were the words of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Symbolism gets you know where. The national anthem is not a legal binding document. Unlike you I won't resort to juvenile name calling. I would just say to you to try and think outside of the patriotic mantra that you spew. Oh and by the way I do love my country, and that is why I question everything.
July 2, 2008

9:16 a.m.

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Ellyspin writes:

PLEASE COLORADO------- GROW UP! There is absolutely NO reason for all the offensive comments that have been logged here or on the news. PLEASE COLORADO -------GROW UP! If you have never seen Ms. Marie LIVE, go home, go to itunes, go to best buy, go ANYwhere but here and mark your comments judging her for an appropriation she has been known for and gained respect for among the jazz and music community. YOU LOOK, you see BLACK, stop judging and maybe recognize that its about time someone stood in front of what some of you are calling, the government meeting, and took a stand for something as beautiful as her culture using her emaculate voice. The struggle people, even in DENVER, are and have experienced is not something only the NAACP supported. So I reiterate my opening line and say again, GROW UP, to all the COUNCIL men who obviously have lacked aspiring or obtaining an 'opened-mind' or a 'change of pace' or GOD forbid, "recognition of something your suburban perspective is not used to" and learn to appreciate something other than the fact that you have privilege to make comments because all you saw, heard and felt was BLACK. She does not deserve this by any means. It’s a song for CRYIN’ OUT LOUD!
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July 2, 2008

9:17 a.m.

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AC writes:

American100 writes
"AC it that she was supposed to sing the National Anthem not turn it into a racial conflict. You're kidding yourself if you think this won't cost Obama votes."

You're delusional. Obama will GAIN votes from this. Did you even read the words to the song? It's uplifting and patriotic. So what she didn't sing the Key national anthem... it was still moving. And what racial conflict? The song is a spiritual and patriotic song. Only white racists would turn it into a racial conflict.
July 2, 2008

9:25 a.m.

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speedy writes:

Just look at poll and see the 89% felt in inappropiate..get a clue
July 2, 2008

9:26 a.m.

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American100 writes:

I stand by my statement AC.
Read some of the postss and you will see some saying this turned their vote away from Obama.

I'm glad she did it. In fact I sent the story to Newsweek. I hope they print it.

Teeeheeeee.
July 2, 2008

9:26 a.m.

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Alive writes:

I simply ask, what did her switching the song do to bring us together? Nothing. Why because she DOESN'T WANT US TO BE BROUGHT TOGETHER. Why? Because she is a racist.
July 2, 2008

9:29 a.m.

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DMGintheUSA writes:

It seems to me that Mayor Hickenlooper should apologize for this persons patriotic faux pas and move on.
I love living in a country where we are free to express our emotions and opinions without the worry of being imprisoned or killed. Just think, what might happen if this woman were living in Zimbabwe or Saudi Arabia?
GOD BLESS THE USA and THANK YOU AMERICAN ARMED FORCES!!!
July 2, 2008

9:32 a.m.

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denvergirl80205 writes:

Last night, I notified ABC News, Good Morning America, Nightline, NBC News, The Today Show, FOX, MSNBC, MSN, Hannity & Colmes, Bill O'Reilly and emailed a number of other news agencies.

The citizens of Denver should be be angry. She was contracted to do one song and unilaterally decided to slap patriotism in the face.
July 2, 2008

9:33 a.m.

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M2 writes:

The National Anthem is a song. Nothing more. Get over it.
July 2, 2008

9:34 a.m.

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CAinBroomfield writes:

So much for UNITED States. While the song may be beautiful in its own rite, it does little to unite the people of America. Shall we have a white anthem, a Hispanic anthem, American Indian anthem, and so on, as well?
July 2, 2008

9:38 a.m.

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Justin_Credible writes:

Marie is a POS... classless, racist, and typical
July 2, 2008

9:44 a.m.

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July 2, 2008

9:44 a.m.

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Alive writes:

hakj,

I assume that you are joking. If you are not, then you have drank the kool-aid and there is no hope for you.
July 2, 2008

9:45 a.m.

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Marshdale writes:

Ellyspin: way to go. At least there is someone on here that is a thinker.
July 2, 2008

9:45 a.m.

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Newenergycommie writes:

Hold your head high Colorado. Denver has a new National Anthem. Salazar addresses the Senate in Spanish and in August the circus comes to town. We the people, just need to "Get Over It". We're getting an early look at "Change We Can Believe In".

Other suggested changes to our history and traditions:

Why not replace Washington's face on Mt Rushmore with Obama's. After all Washington was a slaveholder and Obama is our first affirmative action president.

Lincoln was a democrat that was concerned with Climate Change. It doesn’t seem right that the president that signed the Emancipation Proclamation was a Republican. Lincoln was shot (by Rush Limbaugh) while he and Mary Todd Lincoln enjoyed a performance by Chanteuse René Marie, before he could make meaningful reductions in our CO2 footprint.

The USA committed a surprise attack on Japan using atomic weapons, which started the Second World War. The USA picked Japan rather than Germany to bomb because we are racist against Asians and Germans are white like us.

Jimmie Carter’s work, building house for Habitat for Humanity, brought down the Soviet Union.

Obama08, a George Soros Enterprise.
July 2, 2008

9:46 a.m.

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DenverDan writes:

People on the right- cry, cry, weh, weh. Freak out with anything with color.
July 2, 2008

9:49 a.m.

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Arja_A writes:

Spoken like a true liberal, Ellyspin. Is there anything that is sacred to you? Obviously our National Anthem isn't.
July 2, 2008

9:50 a.m.

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Justin_Credible writes:

Yiota...

I think I know this one... George Bush?
July 2, 2008

9:51 a.m.

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Dawg_Pound writes:

Butterfly,
Re-read the Bill of Rights. Freedom is only allowed to the point that it does not infringe upon the rights of others. The City had a right to recieve the performance they paid for. There was no right freedom of speech or otherwise for her to break the law and replace the lyrics.
July 2, 2008

9:51 a.m.

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Michael writes:

Time to make a choice for ALL of us - are you/we an AMERICAN or are you a HYPHENATED American? I am not now, not have I ever been a European-American or a Hungarian-American - nor have any of my relatives. The kids I grew up with were ALL Americans, NOT Italian-Americans, German-Americans, Polish-Americans, Jewish-Americans, or anything else.
For our black friends - are you an American or are you an African? What would you call a white person from South Africa or an Arab from Egypt who moved to the USA? Would they also be African-Americans? This geographical reference of ancestry combined with a hyphen and "American" is bullsh#@!! Also, why are black people called "African-American" but I (and those like me) are called "White"? And why is it OK to now use the term "people of color" but not "colored people"?????? They are the EXACT SAME THING!!! Do you see how nuts and PC this has all become??
July 2, 2008

9:51 a.m.

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OhBrother writes:

"what if I sang the WHITE national anthem"? isn't that the one we sing anyways? I find it funny that this is somehow tied to Obama, like he told her to do it. To even associate him with this event proves why he won't be the next president. He is black enough to not get the job. When one black person does or says something, it represents all black people according to the majority of white folks
because we all know "Jesse Jackson is the emperor of black people" right?

Maybe we should make like a bat signal for black people so when one of us is planning to do something they can flash it in the sky so all black people everywhere are aware and agree. We can also have the "black phone" which would be like a 800# black people could call in on and get a daily update as how to dress, speak, act, and present themselves around white people as to insure they are not offended. White people could use it too, to call and report a "too black" situation.

Bottom line, she sang the wrong song. I don't care what song it was it wasn't the one she agreed to. I have friends that have sang the national anthem live I don't recall they got paid for it but ok, don't pay her because she didn't fulfill the agreed arrangement. Why does it need to be more then that?
July 2, 2008

9:53 a.m.

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O_TRAIN writes:

wrong song, wrong place, wrong time

I'm more offended that Hickenlooper couldn't bother to wear a suit coat & tie. Same with Ritter last week on Meet the Press - wear a tie!! at least pretend like you know where you are.
July 2, 2008

9:55 a.m.

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AWM writes:

History is history... Slavery is wrong and once we learned that as a society, we moved on for the better. Unfortunately we get people like Rene Marie looking for their 5 minutes in the spotlight, and try to divide our country with a stunt like this. It was disrecpectful to everyone regardless of color. She was hired to sing the National Anthem and failed to do so. Hopefully won't get paid, although she's already received the reaction she was looking for... Too bad Ole Hickenlooper dosen't have the balls to stand up to her and express the voice and opinions of those who voted him into offiec. Just look at that RMNs poll!!
July 2, 2008

9:58 a.m.

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Boarder22 writes:

Maybe we should give her the address of Fort Logan National Cemetary so she can go p*ss on the graves of all the soldiers (of all colors) that died for her.
July 2, 2008

9:59 a.m.

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mark79trans writes:

"O_TRAIN writes:

wrong song, wrong place, wrong time

I'm more offended that Hickenlooper couldn't bother to wear a suit coat & tie. Same with Ritter last week on Meet the Press - wear a tie!! at least pretend like you know where you are."

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You must have missed the "GREEN" thing. It is more "GREEN", if you don't wear a tie because then you don't require air conditioning. There was a stupid little press conference where they took off their coat and tie. Come on, we all need to be "GREEN" don't we? What a load of CRAP!
July 2, 2008

10:02 a.m.

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T1anda writes:

Maybe Lickenpooper will hire Rose Ann to sing at the next city event. At least she knows the words to our National Anthem!!
July 2, 2008

10:02 a.m.

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JSeifert writes:

Disrespectful of our Nation Anthem, This is what we can exspect from Hickinpoopers crowd. Its time to end the farce and get rid of these Idiots from Colorado Government.
July 2, 2008

10:03 a.m.

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Miss_Kitty_Kat_Girl writes:

This women had an agenda from the moment she was invited to sing. Regardless, she should've done the respectful action and informed Hickenlooper of her choice of national anthem. I will not go so far as to say it was a racists thing to do, cause from my perspective it wasn't, it was selfish of her to what she did.

Sure she has the right to sing her song, but she also needs to be respectful of all the people who are fighting for her right to do so and honor them as one people, indivisble not just one color that happenes to be hers as well.

Our national anthem can be applied to all the struggles of anyone of any color and still have meaning to the individual artist or person regardless of history. This woman does not know what it means to be an artist.

Yes, it is "just a song", but it is a song that unites us all and encompasses our history no matter how violent it is. And for those of you who feel "it is just a song" why not go sign up and volunteer to go over seas or to the middle east and witness how bad those people have it there. Maybe then you'll truly appreciate our national anthem.
July 2, 2008

10:04 a.m.

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mark79trans writes:

YIOTA writes:

Ah another great American Song.

Everyone sing along with me...

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If you really want to ruffle some feathers, post General Albert Pike's version. (the battle cry version)
July 2, 2008

10:07 a.m.

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chobbes writes:

The amazing thing is that it was the Republicans and conservative religeous groups who fought for the freedom of african americans. It was Republicans who fought against the Jim Crow laws. It has always been the conservatives who wanted more freedom, more respect for disadvantaged peoples by clearing ways to assist them in making it better for themselves, not creating programs that keep people down.
The Star Spangled Banner is about the struggle for freedom (yes written during the war of 1812). It was adapted as our national anthem because it represented the struggle our country has endured, not only with other countries, but with itself and our own ideologies. We are not a perfect nation, never have been. But we have had the ability to learn and grow. People of all races and religions should be part of that growth within the framework of the constitution. It was not created to be changed to meet your needs, but created to meet the needs of everyone. To give you freedom to be who you are, at the same time as respecting and allowing others to be who they are.
The National Anthem represents this and singing it with different words only says that your cause is greater then the whole.
In closing, all I have to say is "what would MLK think?"
July 2, 2008

10:14 a.m.

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July 2, 2008

10:16 a.m.

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JSeifert writes:

She disrespected our Nation is what she did. How would people like it if someone sang Dixie at a NAACP meeting or the DNC convention. That would have caused a uprowr. But Disrespect our nation athem not a peep. Just goes to show you Democats and the Obama crowd are Anti-American.
July 2, 2008

10:26 a.m.

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BigDaddyRojas writes:

I don't see what the big deal is. I read the lyrics and they're not offensive to me at all.

I'm not black; I do however appreciate the Constitution of America that grants us all the Freedom of Speech, and the Freedom of Religion. Some countries would kill us just for expressing an opinion – see China.

I think this is great for the 4th of July, and I say good for this Lady who has the guts to sing what she feels, while the rest of us only judge her anonymously.
July 2, 2008

10:27 a.m.

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Brockage writes:

This egotist has polluted the racial harmony of Denver. How moronic, especially since the Democrat party will soon arrive for their con -- we didn't need this complication!
July 2, 2008

10:29 a.m.

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July 2, 2008

10:29 a.m.

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Cowboy63 writes:

from the article: "Hancock said he's been getting hate-filled e-mails over the song."

People telling you that you're an incompetent-boob is hardly "hate-mail". Do your job next time.
July 2, 2008

10:30 a.m.

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July 2, 2008

10:30 a.m.

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Newenergycommie writes:

A little truth to ponder,

My ancestors immigrated to the USA (legally) in the early 1900s. One of the horrific practices of the slave owners involved the slave owner raping and impregnating the young slave girls. Jessie Jackson is a fairly light skinned African American. It is likely that some of Jessie Jackson 's ancestors were slave owners? There is zero chance that mine were? This is not blaming the victim; it is simply pointing out the fact that there may be slave owner’s blood in the veins of Jessie Jackson and Chanteuse René Marie. None of us alive today were or are slaves or slave owners. We can either all get along as Americans. Or we can dig a little deeper and discover who owes reparations for past sins to whom.
July 2, 2008

10:31 a.m.

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truth22 writes:

As an American that just happens to be Black, I was embarrassed. If this woman wanted exposure then she should have gone to Karaoke Night at some bar! She was wrong. The one funny part about this event were the looks on people's faces as she was singing. The Mayor, the President of Denver City Council and other attendees' expressions were hilarious. Talk about a "Kodak Moment"
July 2, 2008

10:35 a.m.

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davies writes:

ITisWHATitIS writes: "She stole this moronic idea from Borat!"

Hahahahaha! True enough! Maybe Ms. Marie should go sing the anthem in some other country being run by little girls ;-)
July 2, 2008

10:36 a.m.

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OhBrother writes:

YIOTA and others-"Someone said it earlier, but if a white person had got up and sang dixie, would it still be ok with you folks that feel she did nothing wrong?"

I'm black and I would not care one bit, like I would be shocked a white person holds that song dear. Do it at a NAACP event and see how it goes, hopefully you get your intended response. If I lost sleep over who sings what songs, when and where then I would be an insomniac. In my book the only time I have been offended is when Rosanne sang it live, now that was disrespectful!
July 2, 2008

10:36 a.m.

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American100 writes:

I'm having great fun with this.

Admit it Artstarzz, you are paid by the republican party to convert demos.
July 2, 2008

10:38 a.m.

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EZBakeOven writes:

Well, she got what she wanted - her face and name is plastered everywhere, now everyone knows who she is. Publicity baby, publicity.
July 2, 2008

10:40 a.m.

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Pagen writes:

I can't believe the bigotry! Who cares...she sang a song that made her feel good about america. Get over it!
July 2, 2008

10:41 a.m.

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OhBrother writes:

Brockage-"This egotist has polluted the racial harmony of Denver"

ummm, yeah... about that...please read majority of above post for that "harmony"
July 2, 2008

10:43 a.m.

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Arja_A writes:

It's not the lyrics that are offense, Bigdaddy... it's the fact that she had her own agenda and statement to make at a political event. She's a deceiver and liar.
July 2, 2008

10:44 a.m.

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July 2, 2008

10:44 a.m.

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denvergirl80205 writes:

zweivierzwei writes:
Denvergirl80205, KNOCK THAT OFF!! I don't care how offended you are, or how justified you feel in invading someone's privacy like that, or whatever is bouncing around in that pitifully empty head of yours. It is NOT your place, NOR ANYONE ELSE'S, to post that personal information in such a public forum.
So, tough gal, give us your name, personal contact info, and address so that some of us, maybe the more unstable ones, can let you know exactly what we think of you. No? Don't want your privacy invaded either? NO ONE DOES, MORON!!!!!

Yesterday, I obtained Ms. Marie's address, phone number, and email address from the information SHE posted on her website. Not from anyone here. My comment to Jouelle was only that I did email her yesterday expressing my displeasure at her performance.
July 2, 2008

10:47 a.m.

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jugdish writes:

Butterfly writes:

My, the fascists and racists are out in full force today.

Boo-frickin'-hoo - the black lady sang a song with nice, uplifting lyrics, per her 1st amendment right to do so, and now the U.S. as we know it is going to end. Waaah! Waaah! Cry me a river. Go put on some "made in China" American flag pins to ease your fears. The rest of us have actual problems to worry about - you know gas prices, the economy, the war(s), etc.

Give me a break - you people seriously need to get lives.
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Butterfly,

You know not troubles and oppression. Jugdish do growing up in Punjab. Gas price, economy, "the war" all serious issue... but so freedom of expression. However, that freedom of expression come with price and responsibility. Woman who did not sing anthem show disrespect and use freedom of expression poorly. Most of the writing on this site freedom of expression. Why call them fascists and racists? Do you not champion freedom of expression? No one here using racist terms. It seem site moderator strike those. And should. No one want that. But why if someone express different opinion you label them fascist or racist. My guess you know little about racism. Walk day in Jugdish shoes. Still I love this country and would sing national anthem proudly and agree with many on this site that singer make bad decision. Some writers just choose poor way to express their feelings. Does not make them racist or fascist. Call them out on facts.
July 2, 2008

10:48 a.m.

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JimmyTheSaint writes:

I'm thinking maybe those two puppies in Superior and the bass player from Tickle Me Pink listened to her version, and that's what did them all in.
July 2, 2008

10:49 a.m.

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newshound writes:

Black, White, Blue, Red, Green.......if you don't like our National Anthem, then move out of this glorious country. It doesn't matter what color our skin is; we are all Americans. If you call yourself an African American, then move to Africa. I respect the right to free speech, but this was not the occasion nor is it appropriate to desecrate OUR Anthem. Thousands of men and women off all different races have gave their lives for this country and the Anthem is something that should never be changed.
July 2, 2008

10:50 a.m.

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Beverley writes:

I was considering voting for Mr. Obama, who seems like a sincere person, but now I'm not sure. Is this lady the person who will sing at the opening of the convention? Now I'm wondering what exactly the agenda is here? And what is wrong with singing the national anthem? Are there really two national anthems?
July 2, 2008

10:52 a.m.

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O_TRAIN writes:

Mark79trans - thanks for the heads-up. I did miss the "Green" thing / press conference. I agree it's a load of..... Come on, wear the coat & tie, turn the A/C off if you want to be "green" and sweat it out.
July 2, 2008

10:54 a.m.

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July 2, 2008

10:54 a.m.

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ashbuck writes:

Some of you say "boy that took guts!" some say "I'ts freedom of speech" I say what would have taken guts would be to agree to do the National Anthem if she could ALSO sing the black national anthem, now thats taking a stand. Being sneeky and suprising this on everyone dosn't take guts, I think it's weak and cheap.
July 2, 2008

10:55 a.m.

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isk1906 writes:

This entire situation is unfortunate. First, this individual breached the trust placed in her by the mayor and others. As a reminder, Mrs Marie was invited to sing the national anthem. She did not. She made a mistake and any criticism should be confined to Mrs Marie's mistake. Unfortunately, a great plurality of individuals have taken this opportunity to insult the democratic party, the city of denver, the mayor, etc. Now, the democratic party, the mayor, the city council and others are lacking in various areas and I do not have the time to mention them all. Stick to the issue people. Mrs Marie was wholly incorrect in her actions. So too are those who are spilling poison on this website with vitriolic and incendiary language. Get a grip.

Second, my "stuck on stupid" friends who say that this invidividual has created division in the city between the races - I would ask you to consider how fragile race relations truly are when such an inconsequential act could create such furor. The mayor, the democratic party, jesse jackson, al gore -- none of these people solicited this individual to sing this song. It's unbelievable how many uninformed and misinformed Americans are allowed to maintain their citizenship. You are a true disgrace to this great society.
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July 2, 2008

10:55 a.m.

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gem writes:

Hey Dixies What about the Union version?

Away down South in the land of traitors,
Rattlesnakes and alligators,
Right away, come away, right away, come away.
Where cotton's king and men are chattels,
Union boys will win the battles,
Right away, come away, right away, come away.
(Chorus)
Then we'll all go down to Dixie,
Away, away,
Each Dixie boy must understand
That he must mind his Uncle Sam,
Away, away,
And we'll all go down to Dixie.
Away, away,
And we'll all go down to Dixie.
I wish I was in Baltimore,
I'd make Secession traitors roar,
Right away, come away, right away, come away.
We'll put the traitors all to rout.
I'll bet my boots we'll whip them out,
Right away, come away, right away, come away.
(Chorus)
Oh, may our Stars and Stripes still wave
Forever o'er the free and brave,
Right away, come away, right away, come away.
And let our motto ever be --
For Union and for Liberty!"
Right away, come away, right away, come away.
(Chorus)
July 2, 2008

10:56 a.m.

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Newenergycommie writes:

truth22,

The crowd was funny. I especially liked the guy in the light suit with his hand over his heart. He was suffering from PCP. Politically Correct Paralysis
July 2, 2008

10:58 a.m.

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denvergirl80205 writes:

zweivierzwei - I should clarify - I did not post Ms. Marie's contact information anywhere. I was quoting someone else (Jouelle).

The closing of the email which I sent to Ms. Marie yesterday did contain my full name, address and phone number.

I also note that I have the class not to call people names.
July 2, 2008

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momof5 writes:

She was asked to sing the national anthem. She said she didn't tell anyone about her change of plan because she didn't believe they would let her sing the song she decided to sing.

What she sang is not the national anthem. It was not an opportunity for her artistic license. She was there specifically to sing the national anthem. Not about racism. Not about Obama. The war on Iraq. The economy.

It was rude and extremely disrespectful. And yes, if I had been there, I like to think I would have started to sing the Star Spangled Banner. That's my national anthem.
July 2, 2008

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fmikey writes:

This was billed by the singer as "artistic expression" but of course is nothing more than common, garden variety racism. Funny how some minorities cry and moan about their "victimization", but feel free to be disrspectful and racist themselves....
Just more hypocrisy.
July 2, 2008

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American100 writes:

Have some fun with this. I am.

I emailed HICK and asked him to publicly SUPPORT her. Tehheee.

Read the posts of those who just turned from Obama. I lOVE IT.

I've been stuck inside for 2 days with paperwork but must get back out to the job sites. Dam*.

I will check in to see the fun when I can.

I haven't had this much fun at the expense of the demos since...well never have.

I'm loving this.

Thanks Marie, for waking up the Obama followers.
July 2, 2008

11:03 a.m.

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July 2, 2008

11:03 a.m.

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chobbes writes:

Holly Crap! good thing bloggers don't represent normal America. Most of you are whacked out!
July 2, 2008

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maverick7 writes:

I do not agree with Ms. Marie's choice to change songs before the State of the City address. I am also dissapointed with all of the racist comments and slanderous remarks made by fellow coloradans. Come on people, grow up. Some of you remind me of children that can't share toys! America is made up of people from all races, creedes, ethnic backgrounds, religions and political affliations. It is disappointing to see the ignorance of so many, white, black, brown, yellow, purple, left/right, Republican/Democrat in one arena.
The time now is to unite together as Americans and bring our country out of this funk (econmic, political and worldly)

You want a National Anthem, check out this link, gives me goose bumps listening to it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qciWEufZ2x...
as one we are weak but together we are strong!
July 2, 2008

11:06 a.m.

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Squatch writes:

If she was there to sing the National anthem that is what she should have sang.
July 2, 2008

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SLAP writes:

I think i will drive to the State of the City Address next year in my crown vic equipped with a cooler full of 40's, grape drink, watermelon, and fried chicken!
July 2, 2008

11:09 a.m.

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Newenergycommie writes:

American100,

I don't think her career will be over. I see a road show of "This is how I show love for my country" Tour 2008 on “'The View", "God Morning America" and "Oprah". Are the Grammys held before November Election? I foresee a new free speech award at the Grammys.
July 2, 2008

11:14 a.m.

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OhBrother writes:

great post isk1906. The way I look at it is she is a liar who shouldn't be asked back. Other than that she has a great voice and hopefully can continue her carrer....in jazz spots but not in the polotics.
July 2, 2008

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artisticwoods writes:

Just completely disgusting. If I were there I would have RUDELY interrupted her and yelled at this fool, to sing the US National Anthem. I don't believe we should sing in Italian, Spanish, French, or any other language, just as I don't believe the words need to be changed. If she can't show this country respect, don't expect to be invited to any event. Get the HELL off the stage! I'm sick to death and tired of these self-righteous, self-serving PIGS who decide they will make their own interpretation of an issue. I imagine that all these libs writing in would have a REAL PROBLEM if an evangelical got up there and started injecting GOD into everything they heard. Libs are ALWAYS THE SAME, they are for freedom of speech, only if they AGREE with the speech. They are without question the biggest hypocrits on this planet!
July 2, 2008

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Coffee_Mug writes:

The thing that gets me is that she is not proud to say she is american. The very same country that will allow her to do and say such things is the same thing she ashamed of. That being said, go live somewhere else, where you feel you belong, certainly not in America. If that is the case, good riddance to you and don't let the door hit you on the way out!
July 2, 2008

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ML writes:

Michael, unhyphenated...my thoughts exactly! There was a conservative Black radio talk show host and writer who used to write a weekly column for the Denver Post (I cannot remember his name right now). He was probably not very popular with other Blacks because he advocated taking responsibility for yourself. Anyway, he wrote a column once entitled, "African, American...Pick One". That about says it all for all of you hyphenated Americans...pick one!
July 2, 2008

11:23 a.m.

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Justin_Credible writes:

zweivierzwei...

It's public info available on her website, you ignorant dolt.

www.renemarie.com

And yes, I sent an email to her as well telling her what a pathetic, racist ingrate she is.
July 2, 2008

11:30 a.m.

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Scott writes:

ML,

The man you are thinking of is Ken Hamblin. He would also send a certificate to any white that requested one that absolved them of the transgressions of other whites! I loved it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Hamblin

Scott
July 2, 2008

11:32 a.m.

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RightOn writes:

She took her upcoming venues off her web page. Darn. I was going to contact all of them and let them know why I wouldn't pay to see her again or patronize their establishments.

I'll be keeping my eye open for that info.

I also contacted the mayor, gov & neighborhood liason.

I agree that this is something people will regard as racist on the singer's part.

I also agree, since this happened at a democratic meeting, this will turn some voters away from Obama.

GOOD!
July 2, 2008

11:33 a.m.

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hikingartist writes:

Geez what a bunch of crybabys. You know, Widespread Panic didn't play my favorite song Friday, Saturday or Sunday at Red Rocks and you don't see me throwing a tantrum.
Michelle Shocked put it best when she said "Artists make lousy slaves".
July 2, 2008

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denvergirl80205 writes:

Some of you seem to be missing the point which is unfortunate.

This is not a black or white issue and it's not a freedom of expression issue. It's that she was asked to sing the National Anthem. There is only one United States National Anthem - The Star Spangled Banner.

She does not have the right to sing any song she wanted to when she was approached by the City to sing the National Anthem. She should have sung the song she was asked to sing, or declined the invitation.
July 2, 2008

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July 2, 2008

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mandzoco writes:

If it's this stirred up now over a song, wait until the DNC. She was able to keep her 'secret' until she sang, good intel work on your behalf Mr. Mayor. Maybe next time, you could learn from CBS network error and use the 10 second delay to prevent these faux pas from reoccuring and embassing the city again.

But hey Mr. Mayor, do the city a favor since you preach fiscal responsibility to the employees of the city, she breached her contract. Do not pay her for work which was not performed. If you choose to, you nothing more than a self-absorbed political hipocrite and the city of Denver is doomed in August. By the way have your fellow democrat buddies ponied up the 11 million still needed for the DNC or are we the taxpayers getting the end of the stick again?

For those who think the DNC isn't going to get ugly, check out the Boston Globe website and research the 2004 DNC protesters.

This event and it's posturing are part of a larger political agenda, perpetuated by the democrats here in Denver. This is just the tip of the iceberg, if the Mayor is so outraged then, he would not mince his words and take a hard line stance. But no, the ChickenBlooper has to back his fellow democrat cronies and say, gee, aw, shucks.

The city of Denver has an administration that is ill prepared to handle a "National Security Event" such as the DNC as demonstrated by their failure to handle this problem and prepare their staff acordingly by providing training and necessary equipment.

God save us all, since ChickenBlooper won't.

By the way anyone know the words to O'Canada?
July 2, 2008

11:53 a.m.

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ashlandbus writes:

All of these posts remind me why I dont like nationalists. Thanks for the refresher!
July 2, 2008

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ONEman writes:

Hells ya it will cost Obama votes, it just cost him mine. This radical rage against the machine change seems like a change alright. Not the change I fought for this country to be. This attitude displays no honor or integrity and if anything shows how whiny brats who can't stand authority and rules and regulations, act when they don't get their way. Becoming a racist yourself does absolutely nothing to recognize civil rights or equality. We need to rise above it. Don't believe me? Who left a bigger legacy Martin Luther King or Malcolm X?

Lyrics from "Black National Anthem" represent just that BLACK.
Now you have become part of the problem, "hell naw I aint votin for that BS.
July 2, 2008

11:55 a.m.

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SBL99 writes:

denverone writes
"Everyone wants a piece of what the white man has built in this country"...

Yeah, right! First of all you didn't build anything; your forefathers stole 99.99999999% of everything they claim as theirs, from native americans (land) & Africans (labor) by force. All this AFTER you claimsd that this was a land of freedom and independence. You're nothing but hypocritics. It is this typical kind of zenophobic thinking that has held back an honest and open dialouge about racism in this country. Have a nice day!
July 2, 2008

11:55 a.m.

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RightOn writes:

Oneman - sometimes you worry me but lately I have to say I have come to respect some of your opinions.

You seem like a very interesting guy.
July 2, 2008

11:56 a.m.

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Diff writes:

300+ posts - this is getting WAY WAY too much attention -

Come on people there are bigger - REAL issues out there...

and most if these post are no more than political and or racial rhetoric many spouting "facts" that are no more credible that a stack of Bull Stuff-

some of you should be out looking for a job instead if riding the inter-net all day!
July 2, 2008

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bruizer writes:

What's up with her "apologizing profusely" to Hickenlooper, then saying that she "wouldn't change a thing?"
July 2, 2008

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Dhawk0948 writes:

What the singer really did was open the door for the nut jobs, wackos and racists -- especially the racists -- to get themselves all worked up before firing off their hate mail.
July 2, 2008

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RightOn writes:

SHe didn't apologize.

Didn't anyone else watch the news last night?
She's not the least bit sorry.

In fact she had a rather self serving smirk in her face.
July 2, 2008

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TheDenverB writes:

"Salazar addresses the Senate in Spanish and in August the circus comes to town."

our president makes a weekly radio address in Spanish. what is your point?

oh, i see, it's that you can be selective in what you are and aren't against based on party lines only. gotcha
July 2, 2008

12:06 p.m.

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American100 writes:

Oneman - my wife just told me you posted and wants to buy you a beer.

Tell me your favorite spot and she'll call in a couple for you and a friend.

I know we don't agree on much, sorry about that. I haven't seen you online lately and miss the good conversations.
July 2, 2008

12:08 p.m.

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Newenergycommie writes:

Dear Mayor Hick,

Next time try the Simpson's Bleeding Gum Murphy for the National Anthem. He had a 26 minute scat version.
July 2, 2008

12:09 p.m.

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Arja_A writes:

DenverB... Salazar is wrong for doing that and so is Bush. Party lines have nothing to do with it.
July 2, 2008

12:10 p.m.

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hdfresh writes:

I think this issue would be a bigger issue and more controversy if it was a white lady singing a 'White National Anthem.' There would be riots, anarchy. Just like in society, it is okay to make fun of the whites but not the blacks.
July 2, 2008

12:12 p.m.

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Newenergycommie writes:

DenverB,

We have citizens that don't speak English, so the president speaking to them would seem reasonable. I'm not aware of any Senators that don't speak English, but we can hope can't we? 300 plus posts and that all you can come up with.
July 2, 2008

12:13 p.m.

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MattGuyver_007 writes:

DIFF writes:

"300+ posts - this is getting WAY WAY too much attention -"

Again, I'll disagree with you. In my opinion this is a big deal and apparently the worlds most powerful journalist, Matt Drudge, thinks so too.

That is American heritage the racist, Ms. Marie, is screwing with.

www.DrudgeReport.com
July 2, 2008

12:14 p.m.

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kkajl1155 writes:

Wow, she does have guts to express herself. I don't think she did this to be offensive but definitely should have made mention of her plans. And I hate when the race card is thrown out there. Who really are the racists anyway? Is it the person singing the 'black national anthem' or is it the people who are infuriated about it? Or maybe the racists are those that are quick to call others racist?
July 2, 2008

12:16 p.m.

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TheDenverB writes:

no, it's all you guys can come up with.

again, it's 'hate for america' when democrats do something catering to spanish speakers, but its' totally acceptable when the other side does it.

and who cares if we don't have spanish speaking senators, maybe part of the listening audience was spanish speaking. last i checked, speaking spanish isn't illegal.

but again, many of you can find a way to make it work for and against your political party and stance without realizing just how black your kettle is.

the hypocracy from the commentors on this site is amazing and just spews racism.

and 300 plus posts on this is nothing. this is just fodder for democrat haters to come out and have a circlejerk with each other..
July 2, 2008

12:18 p.m.

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ML writes:

Thanks Scott, Ken Hamblin it was. I didn't always agree with him, but I did like reading his columns.
July 2, 2008

12:20 p.m.

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TheDenverB writes:

"You know, Widespread Panic didn't play my favorite song Friday, Saturday or Sunday at Red Rocks and you don't see me throwing a tantrum."

please go jump off of ship rock for making that comparison.
July 2, 2008

12:21 p.m.

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dothan writes:

Rights work both ways, her right to sing, mine to berate her for it. She is nothing but trash, if she performs in Denver again I will be there to practice my act of civil disobedience and let her know what a piece of rubbage she is. This is what you get from the black racist movement "Black Church" of which Obama is a prominent member.
July 2, 2008

12:24 p.m.

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TheDenverB writes:

"She is nothing but trash, if she performs in Denver again I will be there to practice my act of civil disobedience and let her know what a piece of rubbage she is."

so, you'll pay to get in (supporting her) so you can berate her?

that makes no sense. how about ignoring her, and not giving her any publicity negative or positive... that would really show her.

and how do you associate her with the black church in chicago that obama used to belong to?

talk about STRETCHING for content..
July 2, 2008

12:27 p.m.

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ONEman writes:

Thanks Right on, Alive. I have'nt been on much to conversate only reading and observing. I appreciate your humility on the past and I'm coming to realize that humility is the key to our differences. Without humility people tend to exalt their beliefs and preferences over others. But humility causes us to see our limitations as individuals and commonalities as people. I appreciate the offer for beers but I'm bringing that chapter to a close on my life. Just try to further the cause. Nuff Respect, ONE.

And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
July 2, 2008

12:32 p.m.

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TheDenverB writes:

and the same crowd taht b!tches about political correctness going too far in this country sure has their political correct panties in a bunch today over this story...

funny stuff.
July 2, 2008

12:32 p.m.

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SBL99 writes:

I support true artists like Rene Marie... Iconoclasts Rule!
July 2, 2008

12:38 p.m.

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dothan writes:

Denver B, I never said I would pay to see her sing only that I would let her know what trash she is. Huge difference. The same separatist rants from her, Chicago, and the black talking heads are all the same. Not much of a stretch to think all the people singing the same tune must be part of the same choir. Racism is here and respect for our country, its flag, and anthem are not, at least by the left.
July 2, 2008

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Alive writes:

Very well said ONEman! It is very important to not take one's self so seriously. I laugh a lot with my friends and I do a lot of self-depreciating humor. I honestly don't think I am the smartest, or the best at anything, and I am quite OK with that.

Somehow I cannot even envision someone like Chanteuse René Marie ever feeling that way. She takes herself and her skin color WAY to seriously and therefore would be someone that I would recoil from if I met her in real life. What she did was EXTREMELY rude and selfish. It was divisive, not inclusive.
July 2, 2008

12:44 p.m.

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mmmark217 writes:

First off, let me say this. I don't know for a fact that she was hired to sing the National Anthem. But if she was, The Constitutional Right to Free Speech does not apply. It becomes an issue of a contractual nature regarding the singing of The National Anthem. In a business agreement, if you fail on your end of the bargain to do what you Stated you would do, it is called a "Breech of Contract". In the case of a "Breech of Contract", Your right to Free Speech does not Exist. It's sad to me to know how many people spout off about The Constitution of the United States but have no clue what it really says.
July 2, 2008

12:46 p.m.

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TheDenverB writes:

lol. keep stringing together things that have no connection in your mind to further your delusion, dothan.

whatever makes you happy and allows you to sleep at night.

i don't agree with what she did... but wow, the leaps in racist logic from some of you on this board is amazing.

"I never said I would pay to see her sing only that I would let her know what trash she is"

by standing outside the venue where noone can hear you? or by trespassing and getting inside with paying?

how about you not waste your time on someone who clearly isn't worth your time? i guess that would be too hard though, and stooping to her level is clearly the way to show her what-fer!!

::rolls eyes::
July 2, 2008

12:46 p.m.

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mmmark217 writes:

Oh and if she wasn't Hired to do the job, I have one thing to say about that. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.
July 2, 2008

12:49 p.m.

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TheDenverB writes:

mmmmark,

really bud, we didn't need a legal explination of a contract and it does nothing for the story.

but, to correct you:

yes, she still has the constitutional right to say what she wants IN DEFIANCE of that contract.

now, get back to repeating 11th grade civics in summer school, and pay more attention this time.
July 2, 2008

12:50 p.m.

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Arja_A writes:

I don't think she was "hired". I think she was invited to sing the National Anthem.
July 2, 2008

12:54 p.m.

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me2 writes:

When you peel away the layers of this bigoted onion, what is left at the core is this: A black woman did not play by the white peoples rules.

A black women stepped out of her place, and sang a different song.

I get the strong vibe that some of you on here would physically hurt or kill her if you thought you could get away with this.

All the energy and hatred, all the virtual shouting using caps, then throwing song quotes at each other like children on the playground, or adults in a gang war.

If any of you wonder where religious and culture wars come from, just read the hundreds of posts above.
July 2, 2008

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Arja_A writes:

me2.... Please, it has nothing to do about being black or white or hispanic. She was asked to sing the National Anthem. She agreed. But instead of doing what she agreed to do, she had to deceive people to get whatever her point was across.

PS - I was extremely upset with Rosanne Barr for butchering our National Anthem, as well. She's white, you know.
July 2, 2008

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July 2, 2008

1:09 p.m.

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I_Slay_The_Dragon writes:

Ms. Marie, The 1960's called....it wants its ethnocentric, guilt-tripping, selfish, divisive, and so VERY PLAYED-OUT, self-perpetuating victimization, back. Believe, when the "oppressed"
becomes the oppressor....ain't a damn-thing changed.
July 2, 2008

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Alive writes:

me2 is complete moron. I calls 'em like I sees 'em. Was THAT bigoted Mr. race baiter? HUH?
July 2, 2008

1:14 p.m.

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mmmark217 writes:

DenverB. If she signed a contract to sing the National Anthem, Her Constitutional right to Free Speech is not an affirmative defense in this case. Thus the "Breech of Contract". Yes she absoulutely Can Defy the contract, but it's not covered under the Constitution as Free Speech. It is a "Breech of Contract".

Here Endeth The Lesson
July 2, 2008

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Oh_Wise_One writes:

Me2- I don't wonder where the culture war is coming from, it's coming from you and your type. The small minded, victim mentality, man keeping you down type when you have absolutely every opportunity in this country to be whatever you can achieve.
You just want it "given" to you, you don't want to "work" for it.
July 2, 2008

1:15 p.m.

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mamamaryc writes:

"Amazing Grace" can be sung to the tune of the theme song from "Gilligan's Island". Therefore, according to some people's logic, it would be ok to interchange the tunes for artistic purposes. Of course it might change the somber attitude of some at a funeral for example, but we must protect the artist' freedom, right?
July 2, 2008

1:20 p.m.

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badbob writes:

Think there will be a open invitation for her to sing at the DNC?
July 2, 2008

1:22 p.m.

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Alive writes:

Please don't beat up artstarzz to bad. He is "special" if ya know what I mean. Just let him cry till he tuckers out and falls to sleep. I just think he missed his afternoon nap.
July 2, 2008

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July 2, 2008

1:27 p.m.

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mikeyg writes:

I wonder how much those who support Rene Marie in these posts for using her artistic expression to sing what she wanted to sing would support someone singing "Dixie" in place of National Anthem at Pepsi or Invesco. I mean, if it really is about art, freedom of speech and not someone abusing their privilege of holding the mike at a public forum then what's good for the goose should be good for the gander - right? And remember, I'm just suggesting a private venue for this, how 'bout if Gov. Owens had someone sing Dixie ahead of his State of the State address?

Oh yeah, remember if I agree with the speech it is free speech to be celebrated and if I disagree it is hate speech to be censored. Nice, tolerant liberals these are. Oh yeah, to anyone who may be called to sing the National Anthem in the future, please bone up on Dixie:

I wish I was in de land ob cotton,
Old times dar am not forgotten;
Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land.
In Dixie Land whar I was born in,
Early on one frosty mornin,
Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land.

Old Missus marry "Will-de-weaber,"
Willium was a gay deceaber;
Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land.
But when he put his arm around'er,
He smilled as fierce as a forty-pound'er,
Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land.

Dar's buck-wheat cakes an 'Ingen' batter,
Makes you fat or a little fatter;
Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land.
Den hoe it down an scratch your grabble,
To Dixie land I'm bound to trabble.
Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land
July 2, 2008

1:28 p.m.

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TheDenverB writes:

mmmark,

you really need to go take a high school civics class, bud.

really, don't try and argue first amendment rights with people who clearly know much, much more than you.

she has the freedom to break that contract. the contract has nothing to do with constitutional law.

nevermind, why do i even care about explaining myself on this site anymore.
July 2, 2008

1:28 p.m.

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Arja_A writes:

"I think that maybe a few of the bible caring people would but the bible down just to slap the white off you and any of your friends."

Wow... talk about Racism. =(
July 2, 2008

1:30 p.m.

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tleddy writes:

Here is the bottom line:

This horribly ill-advised, ignorant singer has set race relations in the USA back by years.

In the current African-American parlance, she "dissed" the City of Denver, the State of Colorado and the United States of America.

In Iran and the Middle East, such disrespect would result in a "Fatwah" on her head; in the USA she is protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution; God Bless America and our National Anthem.

Tillman - ex-Denver Resident and still proud of the Mile High City!!!
July 2, 2008

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dothan writes:

"artstarzz writes :

This way to funny .
Please post where and when you will do this . I would pay to watch her fans clean the floor with you and any of your friends . I think that maybe a few of the bible caring people would but the bible down just to slap the white off you and any of your friends . Don't for get to post . I wouldn't miss this for all the tea in china . By the way is your bank The Citi Bank ?

Viva La Raza
vote Obama in 08"
Good to see you have a back bone, go ahead try to smack the white off of me, bring friends, lots, and lots of them. You will need em little man.
July 2, 2008

1:35 p.m.

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Heidi writes:

YIOTA and Alive,

Have you noticed the quick metamorphosis of artstarrz to the hateful, threatening racist he has become?
July 2, 2008

1:38 p.m.

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Alive writes:

I have noticed artstarrz getting militant. But he is punk and will never do anything so I just laugh at his fragile ego. What a buffoon.
July 2, 2008

1:39 p.m.

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Scott writes:

As promised here is the reply from the RMN:

Hi, Scott:

...
I wasn't here last night, so I'm
only guessing here on the reasons for
the removal. But we don't remove
comments unless they violate the rules
stated in registration. My hunch is
we received many complaints, and a
member of the Web staff removed your
comment based on calling a human being
a "thing." That would theoretically
fall under the personal attack
category.

Thoughts? Questions? Clarifications? Please ask.

JB

So, calling Marie a "thing" probably cross "THE LINE." I'll repost an edited version of last night's post shortly.

Scott
July 2, 2008

1:39 p.m.

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Miss_Kitty_Kat_Girl writes:

She mocked what she doesn't understand - that freedom of expression comes with a price and responsibility.
July 2, 2008

1:41 p.m.

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dothan writes:

DenverB, Mmmark clearly knows more than you on this point. She was not prevented from expression, thus she can not claim first amendment status as a legal defense. She breached her contract (if she had one) so she would then face civil liability. If I hired an artist to paint me and my wife and the artist painted a tower instead. The artist could not claim first amendment protection in my civil breach of contract suit. Get a clue, a real education, and call me in the morning.
July 2, 2008

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mmmark217 writes:

DenverB. here it is As It Is Written:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
July 2, 2008

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mmmark217 writes:

DenverB. In case you haven't noticed, it Says Congress. This is a matter of Civil Law, of Contractual Law, not of Criminal Law. It says Congress, not the agreement of 2 parties such as a Contract. Get a clue dude.
July 2, 2008

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mmmark217 writes:

DenverB. If you would like, I could start Citing Case Law for you, but I don't want to tax your little brain.
July 2, 2008

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Alive writes:

Hey artstarzz,

Wouldn't one have to have a JOB before they could have a camera? Or did you steal it? You can admit it. Don't wanna ruin your street cred do ya? You ain't no coconut are ya?
July 2, 2008

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Heidi writes:

You're right, Alive. I think that engaging in these strings tends to do that to certain people. The boldness starts shining.
July 2, 2008

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dothan writes:

Unlike alot of the people who attend "the race" events (La Raza)we mean what we say around my house. When I find her coming back to Denver I will be there to let her know she was not appreciated for her insult to this country. I am not going to accost her, just let her know my mind. AS for you, well anytime big hombre. I suppose to a "The Race" supporter American pride must be hard to swallow. You didn't do very well at the Alamo, and I am betting you will not fare much better in Denver.
July 2, 2008

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my3pugs writes:

America is what Americans make of her. Not some ideal that one subscribes too. Comments about how what someone does shows how they hate America is incorrect. Someone disagreeing with your vision of America is not un-American, they see a different America. Granted, you don't like it, but that is just too bad. If enough people have a different vision for America, then America changes, that's they nature of our place.
July 2, 2008

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leatherneck writes:

There is only one National Anthem and that is what she should have sung. Instead she uses the center stage to spew racist beliefs. If she wants to complain about how she feels black people are mistreated, wich is not true, and that the US owes black people some debt, she should wait untill the DNC.

artstarzz is a 12 yo female. She won't be able to vote for many years but still wants to spew her liberal trash on others.
Please artstarzz, don't you have some BRAT dolls to play with.
July 2, 2008

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dothan writes:

I will leave it at "I'm your huckleberry".

Back to the thread, it is crazy she thinks there are no consequences for her actions, or Hickenlooper. Is it too much to ask that our politicians at least root for our country? Patriotism has been side punched by this group who did nothing when she disrespected our national Anthem.
July 2, 2008

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Scott writes:

At what was essentially a democrat function (Denver City Counsel Meeting) I would have expected Marie to have sung a song that is closer to the hearts of members of the democrat party. The first verse is:

Unbreakable union of freeborn republics
Great Russia has welded forever to stand!
Created in struggle by will of the people
United and might, our Soviet land!

Yup, it's the old soviet national anthem. Maybe Marie can belt this out at the DNC circus this Fall. Well, she can unless "Mama" Obamma (Micheal) can convince her that is now O.K. to be proud of her country.

Scott
July 2, 2008

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Oh_Wise_One writes:

dotham- Renee Marie took down her upcoming events from her web page with all of this 'bad' publicity. She wouldn't want anybody to 'protest' at one of her performances.
July 2, 2008

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dothan writes:

sorry artstarzz I did not know you were a 12 year old girl. I have a code of honor that prevents me from striking a child or a woman. You can have a few swings for free. I do feel kinda stupid for being drawn into your attacks. You can still see me when I confront her if it is not past your bed time.
July 2, 2008

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CrazyCoconut writes:

It's not about race. It's not about politics. It's not about anything like that.

SHE WAS HIRED TO DO A JOB! She failed to do that job. She should not get paid.

Plain and simple. How much creative, personal, political, artistic, etc., etc., etc. leeway do you have in your job? I am sure that if your boss told you to do something, that you would not be able to get away with any of her EXCUSES - you would be reprimanded and/or fired.

It's that simple people. She is getting exactly what she wanted, when in truth we should be turning our back on her because our tax dollars are paying her for a service that she did not provide.

Would you pay the waitress when she didn't bring out your food because she thought it would be a great way to express her hate of the below minimum wage she was receiving? Would you pay RMN for not delivering your paper because they are protesting the cost of gas?

This is all it is. WE paid for a service SHE did not provide!
July 2, 2008

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Diff writes:

MattGuyver_007_
HAHAHAHA ----
"Again, I'll disagree with you. In my opinion this is a big deal and apparently the worlds most powerful journalist, Matt Drudge, thinks so too."
It's makeing it's way around the internet - witness almost 380 posts here - because it is POPULAR!
that means hits - it is like ratings
and that "my friend" - "SELLS NEWSPAPERS" so to speak-

It is only words and if your American Pride you all are wrapping your selfs in -cant take some words, different than what you want or expect to hear - that is pretty shallow and frankly SAD!

GET OVER IT!

OUT!
July 2, 2008

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Heidi writes:

YIOTA,

I haven't been hiding. I have been silently following along. I've chosen to not get too involved with this stuff lately.
July 2, 2008

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SBL99 writes:

Liiiiift Every Voooooooooooooooooice And Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing...

Til' Heaven and Eaaaaaaaaaaaaaarth Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing...

Ring with the haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarmonies of liiiiiiiiiiiiiiberty;
Let our rejoicing riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiise, high as the listening skiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiies,
Let it resoooooooooooooooooooooound looooooooooooooooooud as the rolling sea.

Sing a song full of the faith that the dark past has taught us,

Sing a song full of the hope that the present has brought us;

Facing the rising suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun of our new day begun,

Let us march on till victory is won.

Let the church say AMEN!
July 2, 2008

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Arja_A writes:

Again... she wasn't "hired". She was invited.
July 2, 2008

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Heidi writes:

Can someone explain to me the meaning of "victory" in this line:

"Let us march on till victory is won."
July 2, 2008

2:12 p.m.

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Heidi writes:

steel, I would rather (not meaning I will) stay out of the more serious conversations and stick with the light comical banter. But I do want to know the answer to my last question.
July 2, 2008

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July 2, 2008

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Andy writes:

Victory over those that repress us.
July 2, 2008

2:18 p.m.

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Oh_Wise_One writes:

hahahaha you so funny DoNotSupportIgnorance. You crack me up...... lolololololol. You complain about dullards yet look in the mirror. Yes, you. Kettle, meet black or is it African hyphen American.
July 2, 2008

2:19 p.m.

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Andy writes:

"Secondly the national anthem for America preaches death and hate and war."

Oh, it does not! It's a description of the British naval bombardment of Ft. McHenry during the War of 1812, and a celebration of the fact that American forces withstood the assault.
July 2, 2008

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Heidi writes:

Andy,
Your interpretation is vague. Victory, as in becoming equal? Or victory, as in taking control?
July 2, 2008

2:26 p.m.

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Andy writes:

"Yes, you. Kettle, meet black or is it African hyphen American."

That makes no sense. The phrase is "That's the pot calling the kettle black." So, you'd be introducing the kettle to the pot not to "black". And that's black as in the color not the race.
July 2, 2008

2:27 p.m.

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gs writes:

"Victory over those that oppress (?) us". You mean the drug dealers, thugs, and baby daddies?
July 2, 2008

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Andy writes:

Heidi:

The former. The song is a call for justice, liberty and deliverance from persecution, not revenge.
July 2, 2008

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Heidi writes:

How could marching on till victory is won be a song of peace?
July 2, 2008

2:34 p.m.

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Heidi writes:

YIOTA, too many people conveniently forget about that.
July 2, 2008

2:35 p.m.

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commoncents writes:

Good lord folks, it is 24 hours later and you all are still stuck. Get on outdoors and enjoy the sunshine.....maybe we will all be the same color if everyone spent more time outside. But then there would be fights over food choice or something else irrelevant.
July 2, 2008

2:35 p.m.

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Andy writes:

gs:

I suppose, well at least the first two (what the hell is a "baby daddy"?). Lack of adequate police protection for minority communities could certainly be considered a form of passive repression. I don't think that's what lyricist had in mind, though, no.
July 2, 2008

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MattGuyver_007 writes:

DoNotSupportIgnorance- a paradoxical screen name based on what we've seen thus far.
July 2, 2008

2:37 p.m.

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Diff writes:

newshound - So If I don't like the National Anthem - some old Drinking song or Church Hymn depending on the version of history - you think I do not belong living in this county?
What a shallow, narrow minded, back water, plan STUPID way of thinking
That tops the list as the worst comment made here today -
Grow up and get a clue about the real freedoms this country and our constitution are supposed to be about.
That sounds a all too much like communist China or the old USSR to me!
How DARE you!
July 2, 2008

2:38 p.m.

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mountainguy writes:

Since they do the Canadian and American national anthem at sporting events that have teams from both countries I wonder if they'll do the gay, black, Mexican, communist, transsexual, homeless, and all the other anthems at the Democratic Convention. It seems only appropriate since Democrats care little about their country and only about their rebellious little constituencies.
July 2, 2008

2:39 p.m.

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Andy writes:

"Maybe we need a song about how the republican white man went to war against our southern brothers to free the slaves. It should mention the death and destruction of so many families and lives that fought and died for their freedom."

Gosh, I wish that were true, but except for New England, much of the north was ambivalent about or against the emancipation of the slaves. Most Union soldiers went down south to save the union. It's why Lincoln waited until after his second election to declare the Proclamation. By that point, the North and South were in the fight to the end. There was no possibility of an armistice.
July 2, 2008

2:45 p.m.

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AC writes:

American100 writes:
"I stand by my statement AC. Read some of the postss and you will see some saying this turned their vote away from Obama. I'm glad she did it. In fact I sent the story to Newsweek. I hope they print it. Teeeheeeee."

Of course you stand by it because you can't admit you're wrong. Bigots are like that.

Do you really think this self-selected message board that has attracted multiple posts from knee-jerk bigots is reflective of the new American move to oust the morons who've been in charge too long? Obama will get a boost from the backlash of sympathy once people see this episode for the insignificant internet blather that it is.

Get over it.
July 2, 2008

2:46 p.m.

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Andy writes:

"How could marching on till victory is won be a song of peace?"

What makes you think the song has anything to say on war or peace? War metaphors are fairly common and they're inclusion can't be seen as an effort to promote violence. Consider the hymn "Onward, Christian Soldiers," a call to evangelism, not arms.
July 2, 2008

2:47 p.m.

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jr_mcmillin writes:

Back to the article, regardless of her color, it was a very unprofessional move on her part. If she wants to make a statement, she can do it via CD or concert. This will bring her national attention and greater fame. (Unfortunately) Still, regardless, it was unprofessional.
July 2, 2008

2:49 p.m.

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dcolon47 writes:

Wait till the gangsta rap version is sang at the dnc
July 2, 2008

2:58 p.m.

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Heidi writes:

Andy, that question was in response to DoNotSupportIgnorance's post, claiming that it is a song of peace.
I do realize that most songs written during those times do contain many metaphors concerning "war". But I don't believe they can be interpreted as peaceful. "Fighting" for what you believe in is not peace. Accepting that which goes against your priciples or values may be closer to coming to peace. Nevertheless, I do not condone ill or unfair treatment of others.
July 2, 2008

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Heidi writes:

PJ, just as I suspected! Will it be 100% organic? Otherwise, I prefer vapor wick.
July 2, 2008

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Andy writes:

More to the point, Heidi, is that I, like most posting here I would guess, immediately googled "Black National Anthem" upon seeing the story and was struck by the fact that if I hadn't known the song had been given that nickname, I wouldn't have associated it with any race in particular. I was expecting something the Black Panthers may have written! As it is, I'm not sure what her point was or why people are so wound up about it. If she sang the words to "Amazing Grace", would have been any different? To me it would be equally pointless, but I may be out of touch on this one.
July 2, 2008

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AirMax95 writes:

I think it was a very bad choice on her part to sing a song in which wasn't agreed with beforehand. And then for her act like she didn't do anything wrong makes it even worse.
But based on a few comments on this site, Obama will really be in trouble if he becomes President, because if things continue to go terribly wrong, more and more wp will have more reasons to hate bp even more. I am surprised that he gets as much support from wp even though he hasn't sank that great putt, hit the winning shot, or ran one back for a touchdown.
July 2, 2008

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Arja_A writes:

I think people are wound up about it because she was introduced to sing the National Anthem. Not the Black National Anthem. I feel it's a slap in the face, especially after reading her story on why she did it. She didn't sing it because she didn't WANT to? If she didn't want to, she should have said something LONG ago.
July 2, 2008

3:20 p.m.

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Heidi writes:

Andy,

Much of the disapproval of her singing the "Black National Anthem" is due to our country becoming more divided recently. There is so much disrespect towards our country, coming from both citizens and illegal immigrants. Our flag and National Anthem, which are representative of our unity, is being destroyed.
July 2, 2008

3:21 p.m.

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July 2, 2008

3:25 p.m.

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rjnova writes:

There is no Black National Anthem there is only our National Anthem. She displays a remarkable lack of education here. It is not a question of artistry but a lack of knowledge. A very poor showing of what she took away from the classroom these days.

Many blacks have laid down their lives in wars to protect flag, country and right to sing the anthem.
She is an insult to us all.
July 2, 2008

3:32 p.m.

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GladysKravitz writes:

I have no problem with the song, but to sing it instead of the National Anthem...was not appropriate. That's like singing "O Canada" instead. Time and a place for everything..."O Canada" is recited/sung (as well as the US anthem) when Canadian teams play in the states at NHL games and vise versa up "north". She apologized for taking the liberty (and thank god we have liberty), and realized it was inappropriately intended. Next!
July 2, 2008

3:33 p.m.

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parker805 writes:

She was invited to sing THE NATIONAL ANTHEM, not some other song and claim "artists rendition". BS if you ask me.

So it is ok to have BET, NCAAP, UNCF, and now thier own national anthem, yet its everyone else thats racist.
July 2, 2008

3:45 p.m.

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Fisherman writes:

If Rene is unhappy as a black woman in America then she ought to change how SHE feels or live somewhere where she might be happier. Why upset most everyone because it will make her feel better. That sounds like childish behavior to me. Grow up, Rene and stop trying to keep a wedge between blacks and whites.
July 2, 2008

3:46 p.m.

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denverone writes:

They obviously didn't give this lady an IQ test. Keep in mind, the odds she graduated high school are less than 50%.
Any reasonably intelligent person would have known there is a level of trust involved in situations like this whether contracted or not. These people can't even trust there own, why should we trust her to not use every inappropriate forum to convey to the country that she has been oppressed for 200 years.
It's not our fault you didn't listen in school.
July 2, 2008

3:48 p.m.

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ONEman writes:

If she thought there was nothing wrong with her artistic expression then why did'nt she make it known ahead of time? It was her intention to be controversial and to serve as a slap to the National Anthem.

See the problem with most like her is that they don't understand the difference between rights and privileges. It is a great honor to be asked to sing the National Anthem, but she wiped her a*s with the flag. She no doubt will have some repercussions from this backlash. Hope it was worth it. "You big dummy": Fred G Sanford ie; Red Foxx.
July 2, 2008

3:52 p.m.

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Arja_A writes:

Gladys... just FYI, a reporter asked her "Do you apologize for expressing yourself in the way you did today" And she said "No, I do not."

She also said if she could do it over, she would sing the same song.
July 2, 2008

3:52 p.m.

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July 2, 2008

3:53 p.m.

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Ryno writes:

How would it be any different if I were invited to recite a Martin Luther King speech and instead recited a Rush Limbaugh monologue?
July 2, 2008

3:55 p.m.

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jjez writes:

Have any of you explored the phenomenon that is Kwanzaa? It was created by a man who wants to create a "black nation". And after he got out of prison for beating, nearly to death, two of his female followers he recanted and was made head of African-American studies at a large CA university. And all of the anti-white rhetoric that is being spouted by so many, just proves that racism still exists in America. All the way around. And back to the article's subject: She did it full-knowing that she was going to cause an uproar. She did it to further an agenda that she obviously supports. She did it because she doesn't believe in a united United States. This sort of thing intentionally causes just what we're seeing in these posts. Yes, Obama stands for change, that's his platform. But ask yourselves: What sort of change? Good thing the President doesn't have the ability to enact laws without the will of Congress! Because we'd all be in really deep if he could! Yes, some of what he says is positive, and on the surface looks good. But how many Presidents have EVER stood on their platform once they got elected?
July 2, 2008

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tpaj writes:

She was way out of line with what she did. This was a city government function and not a political function. There is nothing wrong with the song she sang, but she should have gone about it differently. She knew the mayor would have said no to singing the black national anthem opposed to singing the real National Anthem but did she consider singing both. They did it at the baseball games when they sing the American national anthem followed by the canadian anthem when the Rockies used to play the Expos. They still do it in NY when the Yankees play the Blue Jays. She should realize she is an american first and an afro american second. She knew what she was doing and has no regrets. If I owned the recording studio that held her contract I would break it and would pull all her albums off the shelves, block the air play and cancel all royalties she recieves. It is hard enough to live in this country without someone adding fuel to the fire. I am tired of celebrities throwing their BS opinions into politics. If they have an issue to a governator or an Eastwood and run for office to do something about it instead of whining all the time.
July 2, 2008

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ONEman writes:

Keep it about the color and you'll never get anywhere. The victim mentality will get you nowhere. white, black,brown, yellow, maroon,purple it does'nt matter. Some things should'nt be disrespected as an artist, a veteran or just a plain American.
July 2, 2008

4:21 p.m.

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GladysKravitz writes:

To: Arja_A.."Do you apologize for expressing yourself in the way you did today" And she said "No, I do not."

I saw that comment by her on one of the TV news websites...but in my paper this morning...(and yes I still read a daily paper, old school here), it said she apologized to the Mayor profusely. Guess she changes her tune between her public and private comments.
July 2, 2008

4:55 p.m.

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PAW writes:

I just glad Rene didn't sing the MEXICAN national anthem.

I love jazz but I'll NEVER EVER buy one her CDs or attend one of her concerts.

Don Imus was fired for being a racist and he said fewer words than Rene sang. You don't @$%# with the national anthem in a public meeting.
July 2, 2008

5:12 p.m.

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Justin_Credible writes:

zweivierzwei,

I know this is tough for you to understand, but once ANYONE posts their own address, phone number, email, etc. on their own public website on the Internet IT IS NO LONGER PRIVATE.

Now read a this a few times if necessary - some of the words are multi-syllabic. PUBLIC DOMAIN means just that. If you don't get it, you never will.

Just please stop posting idiotic b/s.
July 2, 2008

5:20 p.m.

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TheNurse writes:

While you're all psychobabbling about about racism and a million other things, you are completely ignoring the MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE! She was specifically asked to sing the National Anthem, and "choose" to do something else. The basic issue is her willfulness to do as she pleased instead of as she was asked to do AND agreed to do. THAT ATTITUDE is what is wrong with America. My "rights" to do as I please take precedent above doing the correct/right/moral/honest/requested thing!!! How about I tell someone that I am going to give them a $100 bill, then I "choose" to instead give them a bag of dog poop, "because I wanted to". Do you think that reasoning would fly in any other situation? Why does this women think it was her "right" to do something other than what she was asked and agreed to do? Whatever happened to doing exactly what you said you'd do? It's called INTEGRITY! Something she has none of.
July 2, 2008

5:28 p.m.

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BKindel writes:

I know and love "Lift Every Voice and Sing," but the singer was WAY out of line when she opted to substitute its words for those of the National Anthem. She would have been equally out of line with any OTHER substitution, given the occasion.
July 2, 2008

5:47 p.m.

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me2 writes:

This is a prime example of why people should not live their lives through symbolism.

Songs, pledges, pins, stickers, flags, all are symbols.

If I had a dime for every thing she was accused of doing, thinking or feeling I could buy her next CD.

Same for the insults thrown toward people who are able to keep this in prospective.

As I said, a black woman did not play by the white folks rules here, and look at the results.

Pay attention here, there is no Black National Anthem. She didn`t bring up the concept "Black" or use the words, you people did.

She didn`t introduce race or blackness here, you people did. She sang a song, the wrong song from what was expected of her. and look at how you bigots ran with this.

What a wonderful study in abnormal psychology this would be.
July 2, 2008

6:25 p.m.

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ONEman writes:

Me2 let's participate in the real adult world here ok. Her blackness was her motive and replacing something that pays homage to those who lay down there life for this country so she brought that chip in on her shoulder to begin with. She picked the wrong time to be a martyr for black power. It's not a white thing it's an AMERICAN thing. You might call it symbolism but if you would have served your country, you might understand and fathom what those symbols mean to the life you live everyday. Don't make light of broken glass if your kid was the one throwin rocks. K buddy
July 2, 2008

6:33 p.m.

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ONEman writes:

Ok the throwin rocks is a bit off base, I was trying to make a point , but after reading it again WTF? Time to take a break from the bong. LOL.
July 2, 2008

6:37 p.m.

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me2 writes:

She was disrespectful to those who expected the original anthem, but look at the results of this one action. In the real adult world, what would you folks do if a white woman sang this song? What horrible things would you all say about her? Would that make the song the new Black Empathy Anthem?

How many of you would physically hurt her if you could get away with it? Don`t answer, just think it to yourselves.

And how dare a partly black woman have any gripe about this country? Isn`t it up to whites to tell the minorities when they have the right to feel something?

Have I served my country? You are not playing the "Soldiers are more equal then non soldiers" game, now are you? This isn`t Imperial Rome, where soldiers had more rights than citizens.

She is just a singer with an opinion, not the face of Americas greatest enemy, as some of you make her out to be.
July 2, 2008

6:40 p.m.

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deuce writes:

"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
-- Theodore Roosevelt
July 2, 2008

7:01 p.m.

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RealityMan writes:

This is an amazing song and if anyone would really read or listen to the words they'd see how American this song is. It is Patriotic to fight and serve in public capacities for this nations. You are even more so Patriotic when you fight for freedom that you don't have, as did the Tuskegee Airman and Buffalo Soldiers and Monroe Marines and thousands of other black troops. Even today black troops stand beside white troops and many other ethnicities to fight for the freedom of many whom would rather see them dead and believe we are unequal. However America is much better now and will never be the way it was again if we all stay vigilant and respect each others right to expression. It is American to sing a song that the dark past has taught while at the same time look toward the hope that our present has brought us. Let all Americans march on until victory against inequality and discrimination and sexism is won.
July 2, 2008

7:08 p.m.

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ONEman writes:

me2 your missing the point by being sarcastic. The point is who gives hoo ha about what song she used, if it was the black national anthem or the theme song from sesame street. She did'nt do what she was asked to do, so where are you going to see fault? Only a person who thinks on the same level would continue to ignore the obvious. As I said it's not a color issue it's a respect and integrity issue. So essentially what your saying is The National Anthem is no big deal and why should the President or his wife have to wear an American flag pin, right?
July 2, 2008

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me2 writes:

ONEman, go back through the threads, what she did was self serving at best, but look at all the names she was called. And again I ask if this would upset folks if a white women did it.

If someone hurts or kills her, be honest posters, how would that make you feel?

So essentially what I say is what I post, and I try to be clear, sarcasm and all.

Many of the posters here scare me, I think we have some violent people in this thread. But maybe it`s just hot air.
July 2, 2008

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Oh_Wise_One writes:

me2- You're a drama queen. Nobody is going to hurt her. You are projecting your own prejudice onto others and how you want to treat people that wrong you. Therapy. Get some.
July 2, 2008

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unhyphenated writes:

@Michael - For some reason my 11:03 post got censored for repeating what you said verbatim (cut/paste) and including how I agree with you. Strange I got censored but your original post still exists. Thanks RMN
July 2, 2008

8:53 p.m.

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ONEman writes:

me2 I would'nt care if an blue and orange man ( Go Broncos) or a white woman did it. It's straight up disrespectful to our country. You see I deal with people based on the the way they conduct themselves, not the color of their skin. I would'nt cut anyone who did this just because of what color they are. What does that really have to do with it. I know white idiots brown and black dumb asses. Also some very righteous whiteboys and some cool black and brown folks. Color speaks absolutely nothing to who and what your are. Comprende?
July 2, 2008

8:58 p.m.

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ONEman writes:

Correction I would'nt cut anyone a break who did this based on the color of their skin. I did'nt mean cut me2 so don't get all carried away saying I want to hurt people. LOL
July 2, 2008

9:27 p.m.

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me2 writes:

If the woman had asked my advise, I would have said perception counts more than reality, some times. If this is perceived as not patriotic, and a few did hint that she hates the country, then that is what will stick.

Drama Queen, meeeee, oh my gawd, how can you say that? As for projection, well we will see.

However I find it hard to think of what people would have said, about her supposed love of country, if she had been white. I think mostly the posters would have wondered what her point was.

Post at 1:53 is more what I was referring to. Look at all the attitudes attributed to her and that is only one. Count all the times Black National Anthem was used.
July 2, 2008

9:43 p.m.

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myopin writes:

This so called "jazz singer" deceptively and selfishly saw her one and only chance at fifteen minutes of fame. Under the guise of "artistic license", she bastardized our National Anthem for her own self-centered, selfish reasons. She knew ahead of time this particular occasion would be televised; would place her face in the center of a media-driven contrived "controversy"; and perhaps land her a spot on CNN and...oh my...do you think Oprah???? She ought to be ashamed. She showed all she is an unethical, low rent, no talent opportunist who knew she would never amount to anything unless she used divisive means to get it. She really blew it. The best thing we all can do is to send her a message by conveniently forgetting her name. We will never have equality until people of all color cease to see color, so to that end this person just moved us back a few more steps as exhibited by the race-laced blog comments above. Don't mess with my National Anthem...a musical story of history, yes fraught with violence, but none the less our history. Get over it and move on.
July 2, 2008

9:46 p.m.

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konagirl100 writes:

Has this woman signed anything saying she would sing the National Anthem? The National Anthem is one song - everyone knows the words - you can find them printed in book stores, music stores, the internet. She violated the trust that was given to her to perform a beautiful song. As for the Mayor and all the other officials - you should sue her. Not for a lot of money but because this will start a new movement.... Pretty soon, people will be looking for main stream white singers so they don't end up with egg on their face. This is not some great day for Black Americans, this is a sad, sad day. You fooled the American people. Shame on you.

Kathleen Kendall
July 2, 2008

9:55 p.m.

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ONEman writes:

Ok me2 since your going to nitpick here is the exact:

"Lift Every Voice and Sing" — often called "The Negro National Hymn" or "The Black National Anthem" — was written as a poem by James Weldon Johnson (1871–1938) and then set to music by his brother John Rosamond Johnson (1873–1954) in 1900.

Last time I checked Negros were black. So does this represent them only? That would be in the tune of something like Dixie or flying the confederate flag. If your not part of the solution your part of the problem.
July 2, 2008

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ONEman writes:

correction you're not your. Excuse me, to all of you grammar,spelling and punctuation freaks.
July 2, 2008

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ONEman writes:

I know but anyone who endorses the Klan can kiss my anus.
July 3, 2008

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arby writes:

While I certainly don't agree with what Rene Marie did and it probably cost her a career in Denver. We are creating a tempest in a teapot.
Some of you are missing the point. You can't send her back where she came from. She is already where she came from. So she had her say and the consequnces for good or bad are her's

Somebody accused Mr. Hickenlooper of being stupid and another accused him of being almost a Communist. Both are far from the truth. He is very talented and has an interest in a number of businesses. So I would think that makes him more of a Capitalist.
July 3, 2008

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arby writes:

Gem
Why is there a black national anthem and why do you have to sing it in secret? What's wrong with the one rest of us sing? Usually badly.

How do I get a copy of the book "How white people should act around Blacks" I really need it so I can confront your racism and not embarrass myself.
July 3, 2008

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arby writes:

me2
Perception is reality!
July 3, 2008

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blu_boi writes:

Mayor Hickenlooper was trying so hard to be part of this new black America movement and it just ended up biting him in the behind! I bet he instructed his aid to find a black singer to perform the National Anthem. The decisive factor should have been talent and reliability, not skin color.
It’s sad what the DNC leaders have done to the Democratic Party and what they are trying to do to this country!
July 3, 2008

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stan08 writes:

hello america.
ssqured writes. took the words right out of my mouth 110%. if she was in another country she would have been shot right were she stood.i think this country is so screwed up it's beyond repair
because people just don't care no more about any thing sad.
July 3, 2008

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July 3, 2008

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kain608 writes:

First of lets get the "You shouldnt put such value in symbols" thing. When i hear the National Anthem my eyes swell with tears for the pride i have in this country. When you hear The Star Spangled Banner what comes to mind. If its not America then you must not be from this planet. Anybody from any country that knows of that song would think of America when they heard it. Much like anyone that saw a cross would think of Christianity. So when someone takes it upon themselves to take "artistic librities" with a nations National Anthem it is disrespectful. I would never take it upon myself to desicrate Irans anthem even though i dont care for the country. Now for the second issue. People need to stop being racist. Even the comments that say she dessicrated our anthem 90% mention race. The fact that shes black and sang the "Black National Anthem" is unfortunate. I say this because it takes away from the fact that all she did was dessicrate Americas anthem. Racism knows no race. It affects everyone and in one level or another is in everyone. Noone can say that they have never uttered a word of racism in one way or another. After 9-11 i would say most had a feeling in there hearts to just bomb an entire country. Racism will never die because it is part of human survival weather you want to admit it or not. Its called fear of the unknown. It would be nice if it didnt exist and hopefully will be wiped out someday but for now all we can do is try. Its not a race issue that she sang the song the way she did. Its just flat out not American. And please forgive any misspelled words or bad punctuation. Spelling and grammer were never my strong points.
July 3, 2008

7:48 a.m.

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McGowdog writes:

""Ellyspin writes:

PLEASE COLORADO------- GROW UP! There is absolutely NO reason for all the offensive comments that have been logged here or on the news. PLEASE COLORADO -------GROW UP! If you have never seen Ms. Marie LIVE, go home, go to itunes, go to best buy, go ANYwhere but here and mark your comments judging her for an appropriation she has been known for and gained respect for among the jazz and music community. YOU LOOK, you see BLACK, stop judging and maybe recognize that its about time someone stood in front of what some of you are calling, the government meeting, and took a stand for something as beautiful as her culture using her emaculate voice. The struggle people, even in DENVER, are and have experienced is not something only the NAACP supported. So I reiterate my opening line and say again, GROW UP, to all the COUNCIL men who obviously have lacked aspiring or obtaining an 'opened-mind' or a 'change of pace' or GOD forbid, "recognition of something your suburban perspective is not used to" and learn to appreciate something other than the fact that you have privilege to make comments because all you saw, heard and felt was BLACK. She does not deserve this by any means. It’s a song for CRYIN’ OUT LOUD!
Rebe of Denver""

Well my post got deleted, although I had this comment made of it:

"Finding_Forever writes:

Well said McGowdog!"

It was well said. And it got deleted because why? Because I was a white guy supporting those who thought people were making a big deal of this.

I asked those to consider this thought, "Would it have been better if she had sang the "White National Anthem?" Someone else in here made a similiar comment and it's still there.

Then I responded to a poster who said "Would it be ok if someone hade sang Dixie at George Washington Middle School" or somewhere like that, and I retorted, "What does terrorizing a bunch of young innocent kids with thoughts of those who support Slavery and the oppression of an entire race of people have in common with a lady singing a song in front of a bunch of mature adults?"

Is there something in there that should get deleted?

Idiots!
July 3, 2008

8:03 a.m.

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Littleboyblue writes:

Kaiser1 must live under a rock! Given? Freedom, liberty, the pursuit of happiness were "given"? You are sick. Do you know how many African people died, before they even got over here? Given? There were some, "givens" alright. Given was the chance to have your family seperated, your wife taken by another man, kids displaced, beatings, limb removal, and not's talk about the lynchings that were "given". But yet, we are proud to say that we are Americans, Black Americans and Proud of It! Point blank, and period, the artist was absolutely wrong with her choice to sing what she did,...not appropriate at all, and she should be held accountable. This divisiveness will be the end of us all!
July 3, 2008

8:43 a.m.

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tresc65 writes:

Not knowing the age group of those commenting with racist, bi-partinship, hatred-laden words...I'm making a huge assumption here, but...the next time someone older than me rebukes me for not voting or for disrespecting "my elders" or being childish, I shall, most gracefully show them this page (which I've bookmarked) and then they can see what excellent role models we, as the next generation have to learn from.

Calling a grown woman a girl? (I thought that went out with "rubbing an afrian american on the head for luck!") Most of you are isolationist, racist, dried up old people! (REmember I admit making a huge assumption.) And if you're my age, shame on you! I hear my peers talking about how they're not going to be like their parents, or someone else they've been raised by. And then you fall down the dark hole of racism and elitism that has held our parents/grandparents/great-grandparents/and so on since we could form words and complex phrases.

What is it exactly are you trying to teach us? How to continue hating each other because we talk, act, speak differently? Some of you have suggested that "this girl go back to her AIDS-ridden country...". Are you kidding me? Did you read history books written by Nazis and white supremacists? Sure some Africans sold (and are still selling) their own people into slavery, but if I remember correctly, there were these big ships that came from Europe and the New World to get slaves so that they wouldn't have to do any really hard work themselves. Caucasians went over to Africa and brought Africans here (if the Africans were lucky enough to survive the passage, that is) and you're telling them to go back...Wow, I'm amazed that more of my peers haven't burned crosses, blown up churches and otherwise victimized african americans back to the stone age.

If my fellow older American citizens really want us to follow be informed and engaged in what's happening in our country, maybe they should try not to sound like someone out of a DW Griffith movie or an F Scott Fitzgerald novel. Maybe the information you're putting out there is something we're tired of hearing. Maybe you should actually act the way in which you want us to imitate rather than acting more like a high school aged person whose main reason for speaking out is to hurt others.

She sang what she wanted to. Or, did we get rid of the free speech part of the constitution. As long as we're divided like this and act like the hypocrites we are, America's enemies won't have to lift a finger to destroy us...we're doing a great job of that already.

Grown ups should just grow the heck up!
July 3, 2008

8:52 a.m.

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JVon writes:

Creative artistry is one thing, but to be honored with an invitation to perform at an event of that type, does not warrant one making changes without advance discussion with the host. Not doing so showed a true lack of respect for both the City Council President and Mayor John Hickenlooper's office (which invited her to sing the "national" anthem. Regardless of whether or not Ms. Chanteuse René Marie claims it was an unintentional act to create an atmosphere of divisiveness; she intentional recreated the song, she intentional did not discuss it with anyone in advance. It does not matter how beautiful the song may have been presented, it was not her option to do so without approval from the host. For me, it is more about individuals taking liberties that they are not entitled to take. We think to much about the "me" and what the 'me" wants rather than the outcome and affect those "me" decisions will have on others, in this case her host. I am also a Black American, and very proud of it, and I love the national "Black" anthem... but I also recognize right from wrong, and in this case, she was wrong.
July 3, 2008

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dirty writes:

Can anyone confirm whether the woman was paid for her "performance".

One would hope that as she didn't fulfill the terms of her contract that she would forfeit her fee.

But something tells me that this didn't happen.
July 3, 2008

9:02 a.m.

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tresc65 writes:

I don't believe Chaunteuse is part of her name, rather what she does for a living. Chaunteuse=Female songstress
July 3, 2008

9:10 a.m.

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American100 writes:

tresc65 Your youth and ignorance are showing.

People are mad as hell because;

A. She was asked to sing the National Anthem at a Democratic event(Government in case you missed that class), and she LIED by saying she would.

B. By singing a black anthem she turned the event into a racial issue setting back the clock by decades in an effort to advance her own pathetic career.

C. Turned voters against Obama who were intending to vote for him by "showing whitey" what we have in store if he wins. By the way I'm hispanic and saw at least 4 other minorities declare a change of vote in favor of McCain.

D. The dumbas$ slapped blacks & whites in the face with one idiotic idea which she stole from Barat.

You might be too young to understand this now but one day you will grow and come to understand why this has such a negative effect on Denver politics.
July 3, 2008

9:31 a.m.

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blu_boi writes:

tresc65 writes: "She sang what she wanted to. Or, did we get rid of the free speech part of the constitution."

Your interpretation of the first amendment is a bit out there! If a person is hired to perform a service they don’t have a right to do something other than what they were hired to do. If the city of Denver contracted with a company to supply the city with some new U.S. flags for the council chambers and city buildings would the flag manufacture have a first amendment right to make the flags purple, yellow and chartreuse with smiley faces instead of stars?
If this woman wants to make a political statement she needs to do it on her dime and time, not the tax payers.
July 3, 2008

9:33 a.m.

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denverone writes:

When someone says, "I don't know what all the fuss is about, the lyrics to her song weren't so bad, and I thought they were actually inspiring" I just want to reach through the screen and choke them! Are you kidding me? There is only ONE National Anthem. You don't get to have your own, like you have your own tv station, your own political action group for your personal advancement, your own special academic requirements to get into college, your own special employment requirements to give you jobs over smarter and more qualified people, and your own government programs to prop you up in business.
This time you don't get to have your own, so stop whining and blaming whitey for all your problems.
If you were smart you would collectively denounce fools like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson because any of us that have been alive more than two hours think they are idiots, liars, opportunists and hypocrites.
Just to address the previous post about white people bringing slaves to this country. I pose this question to you.
Who in the heck do you think sold them to us?? Yes your forefathers. While our forefathers were drafting The Constitution and building Institutions for Higher Learning, yours were selling their family members to anyone who would buy them. Just keepin it real Yo!
July 3, 2008

9:40 a.m.

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American100 writes:

DenverOne-you are my new hero-

Excellent point about the fact the slaves were sold to whites by their own BLACK relatives & leaders.

Excellent point.
July 3, 2008

9:42 a.m.

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OpenYourEyes303 writes:

My guess is that most who commented and left hate mail or whatever were mostly white, would it be the same if a white country artist sang the song? Would it be the same if the song was "THIS IS OuR COuntRY", the song from the chevy commercials? I doubt it! Colorado is full of Racist white people. I am a "minority" which is majority according to population, and I never hear any racist remarks from any other minority. It's always the white person telling everyone to go back where they came from... Like they say ignorance is Bliss...
July 3, 2008

9:43 a.m.

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Sickofthesamestuff writes:

It is so ridiculous that this keeps happening. Want to know the honest truth, it's African Americans who keep creating a bias within all aspects of life, then they keep complaining. I am not Caucasian, because I'm sure many will think I am some white skinhead racist, but I am just a person who is sick of the racist complaints. I have brown skin and have roots from another country, but I'm sure some won't care and make a federal case out of what I have to say.

Why do white people, mainly Americans, get such a bad reputation. Many civilizations and countries around the world have had and some still do have forms of slavery. So why hold it against whites for so long. Just because it was the last country to abolish it? That doesn't seem right. Slavery was common practice. I by no means am saying it is and was right, but get over it people, all countries had it. And for the African Americans, be mad at your African ancestors who sold you to the white people, don't stay angry and complain about white's only.

Moving on to other issues:

African Americans seem to be able to say whatever they want all the time in support of black pride and power, but if white people did this, it would be considered racism.

African Americans have their own television channel, called Black Entertainment Television (BET), but if white's had a "White Entertainment Television channel, it would be racist and get a lot of negative press.

African Americans create their own clothing lines, especially For Us By Us (FUBU), but if white's did this, again it would be considered racist.

African Americans create a Black National Anthem and that's ok with everyone, but if white's did this, again it's racism. And I do understand that James Weldon Johnson created this song at a time of oppression against his people, but the fact that it is still used and sung today shows that African Americans won't let racism go. The American National Anthem is for all, it is does not separate colors, no matter what some of you want to say. You're wrong and you know it, but you make your negative incorrect opinions just to hear yourself speak.

African Americans can have the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), but there are more than just African Americans who could use help.

I think you all get what I am saying. Enough is enough. I am so sick of African Americans complaining about racism whenever something happens that has nothing to do with it. I am sick of African Americans drawing the invisible line in the sand between races then complaining about it. And I am sick of African Americans blaming the "white man" for all of their problems. Take responsibility for certain things and move on.
July 3, 2008

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JVon writes:

And it is with the ultimate respect for this beautiful, Black female singer that I make my comments in that to me, she is Ms. Chanteuse. I simply, with that same respect, believe she made a poor decision, and coupled that poor decision with her comments that she "had no regrets" and "would not change a thing".

Though young in spirit, I am not a young person in age, only a throw away from the big "60", and in my lifetime, I may have the opportunity to truly witness history in Obama. We have an important campaign before us, we all need to move forward wisely, and stop and think a moment before we take action, realizing that anything "anyone" of us may do, may have a powerful impact on the outcome of the future. There is a quote..."Wisdom consists of the anticipation of consequences;" something we should all keep in mind.
July 3, 2008

9:56 a.m.

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thee_rook writes:

Was this song an atrocity to all humanity? No
Was this a disgraceful political action taken? Yes

*Steps up on the soapbox*
The one and only reason she would sing the song she did was to get the response she is getting. She used a grand stage to make a mockery of it, and get the publicity. If the Democratic constituents step into a line of saying what she was anything but wrong, I will shift my voice and vote to the other side of the aisle. She was able to sing that song, in that setting, for all to hear because of the Country she lives in. Why disgrace it? Why do this? I have relatives that have died defending this country and I hold the honor of the Flag and the National Anthem in high regards. What she did was metaphorically spit on the traditions of the United States of America. If she would have tried that in many other countries in this world, we would not be having this discussion. She would have been drug out back and beaten, stoned, or even worse shot. God Bless the humanity that we do have in this Great Country. The rights we do have for freedom of speech. Just do not hide behind those rights to blasphemy the country that gives you those rights.
July 3, 2008

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tresc65 writes:

American100, if I grow up to be as intolerant and ignorant as you, I will gladly and whole- hardedly expatriate to another country...because, honestly I don't want anything to do with a country filled with intolerance...You "mature" adults are a trip. I'm ignorant because I'm young? LOL! THat's rich! Ok, by that same train of thought, you must be old and intolerant because you've forgotten(if you've ever known) what it's like to to be filled with the hope of being able to really change this country from divided to united.

This isn't just about Denver, nor politics...it's a bigger issue about people finally getting along with each other without the "OMG-he/she-is-different-from-me!" or"OMG-how-dare-he/she-do what they want" or "we-know-better-because-this-is-the-way-it-is-and-the-way-it'll-always-be-and-you're-too-young-and-ignorant-to-know-better" attitude that is prevalent among those of you of a certain age.

You must be smarter and wiser than us. I mean look at the great job you've done! NOT!
July 3, 2008

10:15 a.m.

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American100 writes:

Well little fella - yes youth does = ignorance. You are proof of that.
July 3, 2008

10:15 a.m.

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TONE writes:

WOW!!!! I just love the look on the MC's face...LOOOOOOL!!!!
Maybe there is just too much damm freedom in this country that people take it for granted how wonderful it is to be free and have choices. I'm sure if you throw her in South Africa she'll sing the correct Anthem. When she realize all her freedom has been taken away. What's worst is her comment... Well let just say... she really show her true color... Instead of moving forward... She went back to the dark age...

What a shame!!!! I can say I glad I'm and proud I'm an American, but her kind... 'STUPID!!!!!'
July 3, 2008

10:23 a.m.

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tresc65 writes:

thee_rook, "...What she did was metaphorically spit on the traditions of the United States of America. If she would have tried that in many other countries in this world, we would not be having this discussion. She would have been drug out back and beaten, stoned, or even worse shot. God Bless the humanity that we do have in this Great Country."

If I'm not mistaken, one of the traditions of the United States, was if you were this woman's color, you still would have been "drug out back and beaten, stoned, or even worse shot" (perhaps not before she was raped).

Sickofthesamestuff "... And for the African Americans, be mad at your African ancestors who sold you to the white people, don't stay angry and complain about white's only."

No Sugar Honey Iced Tea, Sherlock!

Try reading my post more thoroughly...I did state that Africans sold their own into slavery. You asked, "Why do white people, mainly Americans, get such a bad reputation. Many civilizations and countries around the world have had and some still do have forms of slavery. So why hold it against whites for so long. Just because it was the last country to abolish it?"

So you admit that this is a white country? Or, do you simply wish it were? Maybe caucasians are the focus of so much negativity because you make no attempt to put yourselves in people of color's (ALL colors) shoes. Try being slightly empathetic and compassionate and maybe you might be able to see things from another point of view, rather than not being able to see past your own noses/issues.
July 3, 2008

10:32 a.m.

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tresc65 writes:

LMAO! That is so typical of people like you, American100 and ssqred. Wow, there really is no trying to get you to see any side other than your own. No wonder this country is so loved and cherished among the rest of the world. Heck, I bet if terraforming were possible, you and all of your ilk would seceded to another planet. I have no problem with that. As a matter of fact, please do. And if "speaking" my opinion here is an example of disrespect, then we, all of us are guilty. Go ahead. Throw some stones. Just make sure that they don't get thrown back at you!

BTW, not a little fella. Am a 24-yr-old W H I T E woman who happens to believe that this country and its occupants have a long way to go in order to be consider part of a GLOBAL "neighborhood".
July 3, 2008

10:37 a.m.

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thee_rook writes:

In response to you Tresc65:

[quote]If I'm not mistaken, one of the traditions of the United States, was if you were this woman's color, you still would have been "drug out back and beaten, stoned, or even worse shot" (perhaps not before she was raped).[/quote]

Please keep comments relative and to real times. It is not a tradition in "present day society" to take anyone out back and do those things. Period. You just use the history you want to point out to guide your future. Please do not try to guide mine. This is a country of freedoms, a country of change. We prolly have changed more drastically in 200 years than most have changed in twice that time. There is no form of slavery today in the United States of America other than that of the working class to the rich. I am empathetic to the peoples that had to endure the hard times. Where are the posters and secondary National Anthems for the "non-black", this includes all other creeds and colors, that died helping move forward Black rights. There are none. What there is though is a country they built, a country I am proud to say I live in, a country it seems that some take for granted.
July 3, 2008

10:38 a.m.

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Sickofthesamestuff writes:

Tresc65, it's not about being empathetic and compassionate. I get it. It's about letting it go and moving one. You're proving my point that you people can't let it go. You just keep beating a dead horse over and over again.
July 3, 2008

10:43 a.m.

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July 3, 2008

10:44 a.m.

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anteup writes:

I just hope that for all other events, someone is standing by to pull the plug on the mic and play a recorded version of the AMERICAN NATIONAL ANTHEM. You want to make some kind of statement, do it on your own time, you are only forcing hatred for you and your cause when you use an unwilling captive audience to spew your crap!
July 3, 2008

10:53 a.m.

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tresc65 writes:

Who is, you people? Those that keep responding? Would that not include yourself, sickofthesamestuff? I've been told by some people who were born and raised in Denver, and were luck to escape (their words not mine), that it's one of the most intolerant states in the union. Judging by the responses here today, I am not surprised. Oh well, those of you who view my statements as naive, ignorant, childish, whatever...IN MY OPINION, you are a lost cause.

Those of you who view my statements as anti-American or think I take living in this country for granted, guess what, you have your right to your opinion! No matter how erroneous it is. And I give your right to say that the utmost repsect and a standing ovation.

I, too, have family and friends who have fought in wars to give us the freedoms we have. THose who have survived to return home, applaude, nee CELEBRATE my opinions and my right to voice them, even when they don't agree. I have grown up in a house where no matter what you say or how you say it, you have the right and the obligation to voice your thoughts.

It's been real, people...try not to take yourselves so seriously.
July 3, 2008

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Citizen21 writes:

To all who support this woman, she disrespected our country. The National Anthem covers ALL americans. By singing the "Black National Anthem" she asked for the very division and segregation which her parents fought to rid. I don't care how kind hearted or warm of a person she is, what she did was VERY UNPATRIOTIC and disrespectful. Every American should be offended by her actions!
July 3, 2008

10:57 a.m.

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proudamerican writes:

Wow. I know we have problems that are more dangerous to our country than this but this should outrage all Americans. The problem is that our greatest strength, multiculturalism, is now our greatest weakness because we allow people into our country that dont put AMERICA FIRST. This is not meant as a racist statement but a fact. As an American we have a culture and unique identity. The immigrants who came to our country via NY understood this. They kept their culture but made sure their children spoke ENGLISH and embraced the culture of their nation. The libs see this jazz singer as someone speaking out or expressing herself, however, its a disgrace to all those who served this country or lost their lives to give us our freedom. Its funny how some of you don't understand that. You are the same people that vote for the American Idol but not at general elections. You are the same people who allow "political correctness" to destroy the fibers of our nation by allowing Islamic fundamentalists to set up schools that breed terrorists within our own country. Remember 9/11-- it wasn't Christians or Jews who attacked us. You are the same people who could care less that the Supreme Court has advocates on the bench that want to take away your rights based on their own feelings instead of the word of the Constitution. How about the 5/4 vote just narrowly allowing you to keep your 2nd ammendment rights. Wake up America. What you enjoy today will be gone tomorrow with your failure to question the politicians and allowing special interest to dictate policy. The singing of the "black national anthem" was wrong, the woman who sang it is a disgrace to her country. But some Americans who want to further segregate themselves by calling themselves African Americans are happy about this. That is what the DEMS want. They love that you have been here for 300 years and have not had the will to pick yourselves up and make something of yourself. They love the fact that you are dependent upon their entitlement programs. That ensures your vote. Entitlement programs do not empower anyone its keeps them down. But I would get flack for saying it because it is not politically correct. Thats why you libs will vote for Obama- a man who lies, a man who has ties with NY terrorist and Farakhan, a man who is a marxist and believes gov't is more important than peoples rights. But he talks good, looks nice and we really need to show the world that Americans arent racist. You are all sell outs who hate the country because we are the greatest nation in the world. Obama cant understand why we Americans who encompass a small percentage of the population use 25% of the resources. Maybe its becauses we are the greatest nation and we keep the world running. GOD BLESS AMERICA and wake up America. Be proud.
July 3, 2008

11:13 a.m.

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blu_boi writes:

tresc65 writes: “You must be smarter and wiser than us. I mean look at the great job you've done! NOT!”

I’m from the civil rights era and yes, I do consider myself and others that fought for civil rights “smarter and wiser” than your generation. We fought for the principles of MLK where people are judged my their strength of character and not by the color of their skin. Many in your generation will vote for a man based solely on the color of his skin and not on his character. You and your ilk are an embarrassment to the generation that truly fought for civil rights and equality! As for the great job we‘ve done, I suggest you study the history of this country. We have come a long way and we have a long ways yet to go BUT we will never get there with the divisiveness and race baiting that I see in the political arena today.
July 3, 2008

11:14 a.m.

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Alive writes:

As a white person, I have a question fo all non-whites that hate us:

What do you want from us? State it clearly. Don't hold back.
July 3, 2008

11:56 a.m.

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tresc65 writes:

blu-boi, if you believe yourself to be smarter and wiser then feel free to believe it! You fought for the honorable Martin Luther King, Jr.'s principles, but do you live them? Having a caucasian mother and a half Black and half Japanese father, there is no room in my philosphy for basing anyone's character on the color of their skin, nor their gender. My mother marched with MLK, Jr. My mother was among those, like James Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner, who risked their lives to bringing the vote to those in the south who didn't have it.

I, myself, have volunteered with the Peace Corps, to work in AIDS clinics in Africa and Brazil, because some people, here, in the United States would rather help those who live in countries where oil is their national export. I have been to Darfur with the Red Cross. No I don't speak of the work I've done and continue to do in order to get a pat on my back. I state it here because there seems to be some belief among those here that I am some Gex X slacker who takes what your generation accomplished for granted.

So, blu-boi, if you continue to live Dr. King's principles and act on them, great! If not, I and my generation, who you state "...will vote for a man based solely on the color of his skin and not on his character." will continue to do so in your absence!

"You and your ilk are an embarrassment to the generation that truly fought for civil rights and equality!" You and your ilk are an embarrassment to us, as we try to repair the damage your generation hath wrought on this great nation and it's reputation around the globe.

BTW, I choose not to support Mr. Obama, because he has no experience and because he flip flops, like every other politician. I truly wish I could support him and have searched high and low for reasons to do so, but to no avail. And there are others of my generation and of varied colors who refuse to vote for him and are sad about it, because he IS an intelligent man of color. However, he is a man of color whose character content leaves much to be desired and/or questioned.
July 3, 2008

12:04 p.m.

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OpenYourEyes303 writes:

One Word, DESTINY ...bound to happen, oppression will fall! Vote Obama
July 3, 2008

12:10 p.m.

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ONEman writes:

tresc65 you sound as if you've been raised with no respect for authority. The new generation that wants to change everything and start all over. This new generation that can't even form a sentence without using the word "like" 100 times. What makes you think you know squat about anything. If you don't bring respect for your country and your elders to the table first and foremost, then your just a little brat who thinks your way is the right way. But as most children eventually realize. They don't know shyt. I'm not much older than you but my parents raised me to respect and serve my country with honor. If you don't bring any respect to the table everything you say is written off as the opinion of an ignorant kid with no morals. Are your parents proud of you?
July 3, 2008

12:14 p.m.

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OpenYourEyes303 writes:

GLOBAL of course, why would the us have a base in every country Why take Iraq over???????
July 3, 2008

12:21 p.m.

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ONEman writes:

Ok tresc65 I just read your last post and realize that I was off base by saying you had no morals. But my point was that there are things in this country that should never be disrespected like the National Anthem or the Flag. That is it point blank period.No way around that. You seem to be quite a remarkable person. I 'm apologize I got a little carried away. See how hard was that, I made a mistake and I apologized sincerely. Not apologizing then saying I would do it again anyway. That's not sincere or honorable.
July 3, 2008

12:29 p.m.

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ONEman writes:

Openyour eyes wrote: One Word, DESTINY ...bound to happen, oppression will fall! Vote Obama.

Are you serious this black nazi loses more votes everyday. From his wife to his pastor and all of the ramblings of his followers who are focused only on painting the white house black. His true colors are shining through. He's about payback not change. I'd vote for Ralph Nader or Kermit the frog before I'd vote for this carbon copy of Louis Farakahn. Blacks are'nt the only people who have it rough. Wake up and open your eyes.
July 3, 2008

12:30 p.m.

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tresc65 writes:

First, ONEman and YIOTA...it's a really good thing that people's opinion of me does NOT define the person I am... Oh, and BTW, ONEman...my parents and grandparents and teachers and professors are VERY proud of me. I spoke with the utmost respect. I believe you'd be happy if I didn't speak at all. Anyway... And for your information, not everyone my age uses the word "like" all the time. If you took the time to R E A D my responses, you might have seen that. Constructively voicing your own opinion DOES NOT in any way, show disrespect. It shows you have a brain/mind and aren't afraid to use it.

YIOTA, you are already a part of a global neighborhood, whether you like it or not. Unless you can prove to me that ALL of your clothes, the materials used to build your house, the stuff in your house and the food you eat is 100% from this country, you should educate yourself. Where does your oil come from...Texas?

This is Planet Earth... This is Planet Earth... This is Planet Earth... say that for a few hours, although you are so entrenched in your anti-World view it will never sink in.

Oh yes, and one more thing ONEman, it is possible to serve your country with honor without using a gun. Why would this country be a part of UN Peacekeepers or the Red Cross if that wasn't so?

(ALL SPOKEN/TYPED/STATED WITH THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR THOSE HERE...even if they don't respect themselves, or me.)
July 3, 2008

12:32 p.m.

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OpenYourEyes303 writes:

I think you are just afraid of payback! You said it payback, you must have done something really really bad huh?? I mean payback is like the sweetest joy next to getting p*****
July 3, 2008

12:34 p.m.

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OpenYourEyes303 writes:

Don't worry he won't enslave you if thats what you're thinking
July 3, 2008

12:51 p.m.

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ONEman writes:

Well I do know my history bub. I know about all the opression,slavery,civil rights,lynchings and all of the misdeeds of the past, but this is 2008, let it go. Thanks for endorsing the thinking of Obama and his followers you just hurt him again.

Wow that's your greatest joy, man no wonder your so angry?
Maybe if you had any backbone you'd live your life by your own merit and not hide behind a snake politician and not letting go of the past. I will never be a slave what are you talking about? Ignorance is the main ingredient to slavery and you seem to be drenched in it.The truth will set you free. Kunta.
July 3, 2008

12:55 p.m.

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OpenYourEyes303 writes:

Me, mad? haha nope, wrong again. And about the past, I can care less, its the future i'm worried 'bout. I mean I feel for them, "Slaves" but whats done is done, we need a new brighter future. So glad Bush only had 5 months more in office....
July 3, 2008

12:57 p.m.

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OpenYourEyes303 writes:

HAS* 5 more months, sorry, and not Black here either WRONG AGAIN!
July 3, 2008

1:09 p.m.

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Realist_79 writes:

So true, the singers actions were unexpected, unprofessional, and should have been transparent to those who invited her to sing.

At the same time, it is very thoughtless and senseless to tie Obama and the future of the political campaign to this INDIVIDUALS' choice. I truly believe that when Obama states it's "time for change", he simply means that he is a potential leader who will stand for ALL PEOPLE. THOSE WHO ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FOOD CHAIN ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP, so that everyone in this wonderful country can enjoy it. What this woman chose to do and why is not up to anyone to judge Obama and/or the future of America based on her actions. AGAIN, I DO NOT AGREE WITH HER CHOICE, (she has her own agenda for what she stands for obviously, and she indeed breached the agreement), I just don't think it should be linked to any one person or group in particular. To hold someone else liable for another persons choice of actions, that they had absolutely nothing to do with is not a good look. Can't we all just relax? Stop speculating and dictating each others actions. Let's stop pointing the finger at one another and leave it in the hands of GOD. He is the ONLY ONE who knows what the future will hold. Do trust that he already has it written.

Whether I'm black or white is not important. This is America, remember? So let us unite because there are much more serious problems in this country and the world.
July 3, 2008

1:09 p.m.

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ONEman writes:

Racism is a crutch that weak individuals lean on when they lack the mental capacity to stand on their own as a man or woman. They need a reason to hate , they need to dwell in the past,they fear what they don't know, they want payback,they need to look down their nose they want to be the true example of hate and show who the real hateful ones are. No matter what side of the coin you fall, if you can't rise above the racism then you will drown in it. Love is more powerful than hate,dark will always give way to light(in spirituality, not skin color). Who's a more prominent figure MLK or X? You can cloud it all you want but you can never stop the sun from shining.Unity is the key, not vengance.
July 3, 2008

1:12 p.m.

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Realist_79 writes:

So true, the singers actions were unexpected, unprofessional, and should have been transparent to those who invited her to sing.

At the same time, it is very thoughtless and senseless to tie Obama and the future of the political campaign to this INDIVIDUALS' choice. I truly believe that when Obama states it's "time for change", he simply means that he is a potential leader who will stand for ALL PEOPLE. THOSE WHO ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FOOD CHAIN ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP, so that everyone in this wonderful country can enjoy it. What this woman chose to do and why is not up to anyone to judge Obama and/or the future of America based on her actions. AGAIN, I DO NOT AGREE WITH HER CHOICE, (she has her own agenda for what she stands for obviously, and she indeed breached the agreement), I just don't think it should be linked to any one person or group in particular. To hold someone else liable for another persons choice of actions, that they had absolutely nothing to do with is not a good look. Can't we all just relax? Stop speculating and dictating each others actions. Let's stop pointing the finger at one another and leave it in the hands of GOD. He is the ONLY ONE who knows what the future will hold. Do trust that he already has it written.

Whether I'm black or white is not important. This is America, remember? So let us unite because there are much more serious problems in this country and the world.
July 3, 2008

1:16 p.m.

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Realist_79 writes:

So true, the singers actions were unexpected, unprofessional, and should have been transparent to those who invited her to sing.

At the same time, it is very thoughtless and senseless to tie Obama and the future of the political campaign to this INDIVIDUALS' choice. I truly believe that when Obama states it's "time for change", he simply means that he is a potential leader who will stand for ALL PEOPLE. THOSE WHO ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FOOD CHAIN ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP, so that everyone in this wonderful country can enjoy it. What this woman chose to do and why is not up to anyone to judge Obama and/or the future of America based on her actions. AGAIN, I DO NOT AGREE WITH HER CHOICE, (she has her own agenda for what she stands for obviously, and she indeed breached the agreement), I just don't think it should be linked to any one person or group in particular. To hold someone else liable for another persons choice of actions, that they had absolutely nothing to do with is not a good look. Can't we all just relax? Stop speculating and dictating each others actions. Let's stop pointing the finger at one another and leave it in the hands of GOD. He is the ONLY ONE who knows what the future will hold. Do trust that he already has it written.

Whether I'm black or white is not important. This is America, remember? So let us unite because there are much more serious problems in this country and the world.
July 3, 2008

1:18 p.m.

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Realist_79 writes:

So true, the singers actions were unexpected, unprofessional, and should have been transparent to those who invited her to sing. BUT.........

At the same time, it is very thoughtless and senseless to tie Obama and the future of the political campaign to this INDIVIDUALS' choice. I truly believe that when Obama states it's "time for change", he simply means that he is a potential leader who will stand for ALL PEOPLE. THOSE WHO ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FOOD CHAIN ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP, so that everyone in this wonderful country can enjoy it. What this woman chose to do and why is not up to anyone to judge Obama and/or the future of America based on her actions. AGAIN, I DO NOT AGREE WITH HER CHOICE, (she has her own agenda for what she stands for obviously, and she indeed breached the agreement), I just don't think it should be linked to any one person or group in particular. To hold someone else liable for another persons choice of actions, that they had absolutely nothing to do with is not a good look. Can't we all just relax? Stop speculating and dictating each others actions. Let's stop pointing the finger at one another and leave it in the hands of GOD. He is the ONLY ONE who knows what the future will hold. Do trust that he already has it written.

Whether I'm black or white is not important. This is America, remember? So let us unite because there are much more serious problems in this country and the world.
July 3, 2008

1:21 p.m.

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tresc65 writes:

YIOTA writes:

tresc65 writes:

First, ONEman and YIOTA...it's a really good thing that people's opinion of me does NOT define the person.

YIOTA writes - You are correct your actions and words define you. You are a globalist, socialist that believes the US is terrible and should bow down to the rest of the world. (WHERE DID I SAY THAT?) How dare we think we are better than anyone else. How dare we think we deserve anything more than anyone else. Am I right on with this? (YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE LINE BETWEEN STUPIDITY AND INSANITY. AGAIN, WHERE DID I STATE THIS?)

tresc65 writes: YIOTA, you are already a part of a global neighborhood, whether you like it or not. Unless you can prove to me that ALL of your clothes, the materials used to build your house, the stuff in your house and the food you eat is 100% from this country, you should educate yourself. Where does your oil come from...Texas?

This is Planet Earth... This is Planet Earth... This is Planet Earth... say that for a few hours, although you are so entrenched in your anti-World view it will never sink in.

YIOTA writes: No, I am part of a global economy, not a global neighborhood. I do not take order(yet) from the UN, nor do I care whether Iran or Cuba like me. I will drive the car of my choice, buy the goods of my choice, buy the house of my choice, use as much electricity, water, gas and any other resource as I can afford. (ME, ME, ME, ME, ME! YOU ARE SO FAR FROM RIGHT ON WITH THIS THAT THE LIGHT FROM "RIGHT ON" WILL TAKE SEVERAL MILLION LIGHT YEARS TO REACH YOU. COULD YOU BE ANYMORE SELFISH. YEAH, YOU PROBABLY COULD.) I will respect other countries and even fight for their freedom, but DO NOT EVER, think you can tell me how I need to live.

NOW DO YOU GET IT............ OH YEAH. I GET "IT" ALRIGHT. I GET IT SO WELL THAT I NEED TO TAKE A BATH TO GET IT OFF OF ME. I MAY SOUND FLIPPANT TO YOU, MR. ME ME ME, BUT THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE I, NOR COULD ANY INTELLIGENT HUMAN BEING, CAN'T TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY.

I never told you how to live your life, sir. I never made a judgment for or against you and your lifestyle. I simply asked you to consider that there are more philosophies in heaven and on earth, than are dreamt of in your closed mind. You're the one calling people names and making judgments based on a lot of who-ha. (YIOTA>>> GLOBAL "neighborhood", oh boy. Yo, y'all dont waste your time with hippie chick, flower girl want to be..Who says we need to be part of any global neighborhood? Sorry, there ms. Rogers, but NO.....)

"Yo, G, get a vocabulary so your ignorance stops shining through."
July 3, 2008

1:22 p.m.

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ONEman writes:

I like everything that Obama says but it's the people that surround him that make me wonder if he's just telling everyone what they want to hear to get votes. Is'nt that what politicians do? But it's the flag pin thing with his wife, the church he belonged to when he was'nt in the spotlight. Honestly I can't stand behind any canidate, after so long of G Dub Ya, Brittney Spears could run a good race to get elected. I'm all for change but let's take out the fact of the first black president, what does that really mean? It means nothing to be a color. Why can't he just be an American man. The labels and attention we give to the meaningless things are what seperate us as human beings. Who are you as a person?
July 3, 2008

1:22 p.m.

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Realist_79 writes:

So true, the singers actions were unexpected, unprofessional, and should have been transparent to those who invited her to sing...........

At the same time, it is very thoughtless and senseless to tie Obama and the future of the political campaign to this INDIVIDUALS' choice. I truly believe that when Obama states it's "time for change", he simply means that he is a potential leader who will stand for ALL PEOPLE. THOSE WHO ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FOOD CHAIN ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP, so that everyone in this wonderful country can enjoy it. What this woman chose to do and why is not up to anyone to judge Obama and/or the future of America based on her actions. AGAIN, I DO NOT AGREE WITH HER CHOICE, (she has her own agenda for what she stands for obviously, and she indeed breached the agreement), I just don't think it should be linked to any one person or group in particular. To hold someone else liable for another persons choice of actions, that they had absolutely nothing to do with is not a good look. Can't we all just relax? Stop speculating and dictating each others actions. Let's stop pointing the finger at one another and leave it in the hands of GOD. He is the ONLY ONE who knows what the future will hold. Do trust that he already has it written.

Whether I'm black or white is not important. This is America, remember? So let us unite because there are much more serious problems in this country and the world.
July 3, 2008

1:26 p.m.

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Realist_79 writes:

So true, the singers actions were unexpected, unprofessional, and should have been transparent to those who invited her to sing. BUT.........
At the same time, it is very thoughtless and senseless to tie Obama and the future of the political campaign to this INDIVIDUALS' choice. I truly believe that when Obama states it's "time for change", he simply means that he is a potential leader who will stand for ALL PEOPLE. THOSE WHO ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FOOD CHAIN ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP, so that everyone in this wonderful country can enjoy it. What this woman chose to do and why is not up to anyone to judge Obama and/or the future of America based on her actions. AGAIN, I DO NOT AGREE WITH HER CHOICE, (she has her own agenda for what she stands for obviously, and she indeed breached the agreement), I just don't think it should be linked to any one person or group in particular. To hold someone else liable for another persons choice of actions, that they had absolutely nothing to do with is not a good look. Can't we all just relax? Stop speculating and dictating each others actions. Let's stop pointing the finger at one another and leave it in the hands of GOD. He is the ONLY ONE who knows what the future will hold. Do trust that he already has it written.

Whether I'm black or white is not important. This is America, remember? So let us unite because there are much more serious problems in this country and the world.
July 3, 2008

1:27 p.m.

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Realist_79 writes:

So true, the singers actions were unexpected, unprofessional, and should have been transparent to those who invited her to sing..........
At the same time, it is very thoughtless and senseless to tie Obama and the future of the political campaign to this INDIVIDUALS' choice. I truly believe that when Obama states it's "time for change", he simply means that he is a potential leader who will stand for ALL PEOPLE. THOSE WHO ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FOOD CHAIN ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP, so that everyone in this wonderful country can enjoy it. What this woman chose to do and why is not up to anyone to judge Obama and/or the future of America based on her actions. AGAIN, I DO NOT AGREE WITH HER CHOICE, (she has her own agenda for what she stands for obviously, and she indeed breached the agreement), I just don't think it should be linked to any one person or group in particular. To hold someone else liable for another persons choice of actions, that they had absolutely nothing to do with is not a good look. Can't we all just relax? Stop speculating and dictating each others actions. Let's stop pointing the finger at one another and leave it in the hands of GOD. He is the ONLY ONE who knows what the future will hold. Do trust that he already has it written.

Whether I'm black or white is not important. This is America, remember? So let us unite because there are much more serious problems in this country and the world.
July 3, 2008

1:29 p.m.

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tresc65 writes:

Realist_79, I got the message after the first two postings of the same thing. No need for re-posting it four more times after that.
July 3, 2008

1:32 p.m.

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ONEman writes:

Thanks ssqured, I appreciate that. It serves as more motivation for me to pursue my dream.

I think I will follow your lead. Hope to see ya again.

Again Thank you.
July 3, 2008

1:41 p.m.

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tresc65 writes:

ONEman & ssqured, I hope the two of you live happily ever after. (JUST KIDDING!!!)
July 3, 2008

1:56 p.m.

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Jeepers writes:

What we have here is a very beautiful song, with a wonderful message performed ( at the wrong time and place ) by a very talented singer who thought she was making an artistic expression and political/racial commentary. What she has done, is tainted that beautiful song and her own career, and brought out the worst in people on both sides of the issue. Just look at the postings here. She exposed the ignorance, the hatred and the contempt felt no matter what your skin color is, or your political affiliation. A negative Pandora's box. I can not see ONE good thing her choice to sing "The Black National Anthem" has brought anyone. At a point when we should be uniting, we choose to instigate. When we should be looking at the issue and understanding we have a long way to go, we rather trade insults rather then ideas. What she did, in context is wrong. What she believes, at it's core is right for her and millions. However it must be understood, that what ever progress we've made, has been set back and brought down to a personal insult level as a result. Like it or not, it has. I don't believe Rene Marie intended any of that, but the right thing to do would be to own up the fact that her actions insulted, inflamed, and divided us in a way, and make an attempt to fix the problem. Not to hide behind "artistic expression", or so-called "political statements".
July 3, 2008

3:33 p.m.

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kain608 writes:

Since it seems to overwhelm the forum lets just come out and say it. We have a racist person running for president. His name is Obama. I bet some of you are shocked by this. Lets look at the glaring facts. First everyone around him seems to hate white america. Now some of you will say that just because the people around him feel that way doesnt mean he does. Well lets look at human nature shall we. We tend to surround ourselves with people like ourselves who share the same beliefs as we do. If I had a bunch of white friends who were in the KKK would you not say i believed the same things that they did. True I myself am not in the KKK but if all my friends are then I must if i would allow myself to be surrounded by such hate. Wait there it is. He has allowed himself to be surrounded by people that hate another kind of human just because there skin is lighter. Not only that but I dont even believe he is a very smart person. I believe he has allowed himself to be used as a political puppet. He must be or how else could he have people around him that hate the race of one of his parents and two of his grandparents. I can tell u now my friends all love my parents and even call them mom and dad. I dont see his pastor or expastor being so friendly with Obamas parents. People say he cant be racist because he has a white parent. I believe he is racist because of his white parent. Remember he grew up in a time when interracial couples were not as normal as they are now.
Heres a question ive been contiplating. Couldnt white people say that even if he won the election that he wouldnt be the first black president? After all hes just as much if not more white than black. Yes he is part black. But what about the white in him? Does that not count for anything?
To me its not a matter of him being "black" or whatever race he wants to claim when it suits him. Its about the people he surrounds himself with. All that hate around the man who says he wants to bring change. Well this country has finally started getting over the all to long hate filled years of yester year. And I for one am not wanting to see this country repeat what took us so long to correct.
July 3, 2008

3:34 p.m.

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RoloFan writes:

Odd that she chose a to accept such an invitation, knowing in her soul that she couldn't carry it out. Couldn't bother to be honest with the people who extended the invitation to her, including her black brother Mr. Hancock. Don't you think he would have liked to know that she was about to throw him under the bus? And be given the chance to either support her openly or counsel the mayor to rescind the invite? It all speaks volumes about her character and how she treats the people who extended this opportunity to her. Her decision was, ultimately an entirely selfish act.

Their are lots of places for her to express her sentiments besides an official city function. If she is or wants to be a professional singer, she just lost clients. Who could ever trust her again?
July 3, 2008

3:51 p.m.

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RonBurgundyJr writes:

To Contact Rene Marie
email rene@renemarie.com
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call 303.520.6705
renemarie.com

BYE BYE SINGING CAREER! YOU ARE THE MONICA LEWINSKY OF THE MUSIC INDUSTRY!!!!

Don't try to call her. Her vmail is full.

She should be arrested.
July 3, 2008

4:01 p.m.

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AZEN08 writes:

So many racists, so little time! Wow.
I'm a white man from New York. Are people in Colorado really this racist and ignorant? Damn. Listen...

I support Renne Marie. I love what she did. Kudos!!! congrats!!!! You are a true american, with a great talent! We need more people like you. And I'm standing up for you!!!

And for the racist jerk who said that there were black people that also owned slaves... wtf??? what's the point of that? Does that excuse what was done by white europeans? that's a ridiculous argument. As a white person I am proud to live in a country where there is diversity and acceptance. Where we had a war to end slavery, and the right side won. We still have alot of work to do, as evidenced by the ignorance I have seen on this page.

Rock on Renee, we love you!!!!
July 3, 2008

4:15 p.m.

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RonBurgundyJr writes:

By the way, reneemarie.com is where her contact information is located. If it's on the web, it's free to make public.

And let's get one thing clear here. Rene Marie opened up the race envelope with her decision... She decided after preparing for three years for her moment in glory to open the scab of the battle for racial equality.

I do not have a thread of racism in me. I've grown up with a number of different races in my time and I value all of them... but for someone who choses to make such a mistake in her career for her own hopeful benefit and ends up bringing down a nation, then she should be severly punished for it... 1st amendment rights should not be involved with this.
July 3, 2008

4:39 p.m.

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kain608 writes:

So let me get this straight. Im a moron because i believe that someone who hangs out with racist people is himself a racist. Im an embarassment to society because i can see beyond the politics and see a person for what they truely are. Those who believe that what Obama brings will be anything but hate are the ones who are an embarassment for doin exactly what our nations politicains want us to do. That is to blindly follow them. I wanted to believe in Obama. I thought here is a guy who had to work for what hes earned and thought he was something. But then he wouldnt commit to any issues. Then all those around him turned out to be racist. Our country long ago stopped caring for the people it governs. Its just a shame that one canidate is a racist and the other is a guy who will line the pockets of the rich just like the one we have now. Either way we screwed but America needs to wake up and see who "We the People" have selected as our canidates. But then im a moron cause i voted for the other guy both times cause i knew bush was bad news. Who did you vote for bush. You must have cause you obviousely not a moron like me. If you were a moron you would have voted for Kerry and Gore.....like me.
July 3, 2008

5:24 p.m.

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MaxInEnglewood writes:

I dont think her career is over, this in fact probably boosted it. I know ill be at one of her events next weekend. Oh and since everyone else is throwing race into this, I happen to be a white guy that served in Desert Storm.
July 3, 2008

5:48 p.m.

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thisismyusername writes:

What if someone had sung the anthem of the KKK?
July 3, 2008

5:50 p.m.

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kain608 writes:

No i get it. she screwed up read my earliest post. I commented on race due to everyone wanting to go there with little incite on what race problems we have. People on here want to say blacks are racist cause they have BET and a Black National Anthem. Thats not a race issue whats an issue is when u have a person who is in political power surounded by racist. Just like when whats his nuts Govenor of alabama or whatever was running for president and he had ties to the KKK. Thats a race problem. Was just trying to show peeps what a race problem was since everyone wanted to bring it up. And if u think all we need is a little oil in the engine than look no further than our econamy, these blogs, and all the corrupt politicians we have. Thats more than oil my friend.
July 3, 2008

5:59 p.m.

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lil_chunkey_monkey writes:

i think she was in the wrong for singing the that song. she was supposed to sing the national anthem, not the "black national anthem" as an african american myself, i believe that was a very dumb move on her part. i think she slightly hurt obama's chances for president. but all those people who say because of this incident are not going to vote for obama, were lying in the first place. you were never going to vote for him in the first place. if you were going to vote for him, it would be because you believe he is the best canadiate, not because of what people say or do. he had nothing to do with this. that was all her doing.i think she has her own agenda. maybe she did it so mc cain will win. you never know. but it is so sad to see that in the year 2008 we still have racist people in america. that is pathetic. no wonder this country is going to hell in a hand basket.
July 3, 2008

6:52 p.m.

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kain608 writes:

Heres where i stand. This issue is a singer who disrespected a song that is cherished by a country. Like i said i only brought race up because people were making a big deal out of BET and petty things like that while ignoring a potential reverse racist presidential canidate. Even though i nolonger like him as a canidate i dont believe this issue should sway a voter. I feel people are using this as a scapegoat to say this is why they wont vote for him. I was just showing the real reason people should take a second look at him not for something he had nothing to do with.
July 3, 2008

6:59 p.m.

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kain608 writes:

Oh and one more thing. I just caught the whole im a disgrace to white/black people.......I should hope so considering my dad is Native American Cherokee and my mom is Mexican.
July 3, 2008

8:02 p.m.

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kain608 writes:

I think we are agreeing we are just saying things different and interpreting them wrongly. I agree that the race thing on this issue is stupid. Thats y i showed a race issue that was relevent to try and show how stupid they were making this one out to be. If my statement of race was viewed for this actual statement than for that i apoligize. As i stated in my first post the fact that she is black and sang the black national anthem is unfortuante cause it allows racist to put a race spin on it. When i stated my views on Obama i never linked him to this incident and later even said on this one he should not be faulted. I think my first comment was around the 6 in the mornin time frame incase u havent read it.
July 3, 2008

8:11 p.m.

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kain608 writes:

correction it was 7:45 in the mornin on the 3rd
July 3, 2008

8:29 p.m.

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kain608 writes:

Where did my debate buddy Ssqured go? I was having fun.
July 3, 2008

8:35 p.m.

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AZEN08 writes:

Thisismyusername.... you are a complete idiot. Seriously. I hate you, your family, and all you stand for. You are stupid.

First of all, does the KKK even HAVE an anthem? You probalbly know every friggin word. I can't even answer your stupid post becuase where would I start? You are taking up valuable space on this planet.... please go away.
July 4, 2008

5:58 a.m.

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Alive writes:

Never seen so many people trying to "educate" or "open the mind" of others. We are a society where every single person seems to think they are better than every other single person. Al least that's how it seems lately.

We are screwed if humility doesn't come back in vogue.

I don't know how to fix this mess. I want to fix it, but I am just plain out of ideas. I am willing to listen to any ideas that have no agenda other than bringing us together.

I like being safe. I like hanging with my friends and being goofy. I am thankful for the life I have. I really am. I know that being human basically means living each day trying not be food for another organism or even another human. Each day that I survive is a plus.

Our nation has so many flaws. Everything has flaws. But, this nation seems to have a special potential not found elsewhere on planet earth. I like that we self correct periodically. Seems logical to me.

We are a great experiment. Great experiments are hard. Lately it seems we can barely hold it together. But I still believe in the experiment. And today I will celebrate it. Not because I feel I have to. Not because I am brainwashed or evil. Just because I want to.

Happy birthday America.
July 4, 2008

6:42 a.m.

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me2 writes:

Okay I finally got the point, it is not raciest to say she disrespected the country by singing the Black National Anthem, but we who do not see this as such a big deal and ask if you all would have been upset if a white woman had sung the song, are raciest and keeping the racial thing going.

I think black nazi was where I decided not to post back to individuals, since that was a low point in low points.
July 4, 2008

8:29 a.m.

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AZEN08 writes:

Thisismyusername.... you are a complete idiot. Seriously. I hate you, your family, and all you stand for. You are stupid.

First of all, does the KKK even HAVE an anthem? You probalbly know every friggin word. I can't even answer your stupid post becuase where would I start? You are taking up valuable space on this planet.... please go away.
July 4, 2008

11:17 a.m.

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dmpfd writes:

Well if it was introduced as the National Anthem, why doesn't the announcer ever raise his hand to cover his heart????? Complete and total disrespect for the country or the men and women who serve to protect their rights to even attempt this.

Don't believe it watch the video on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSOtKy...
July 5, 2008

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July 22, 2008

1:39 p.m.

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JazzBison writes:

I've known of Rene' and her wonderful music for about 5 years now, she's one of the most gifted and courageous people I've been graced to be made aware of.

Where I'm concerned, the song she chose to convey in her own special way is just as much a part of this country's overall makeup as is "star spangled banner" and "God bless america", where in the lyrics does it dishonor the country in any way, shape or form?

She's also one of the most selfless and compassionate people I know, a true symbol of personal sacrifice, yes, she's a risk taker, and proud of it, we should all be endowed with her intestinal fortitude, I think a lot of this backlash is borne out of the sheer venom that courses thru the veins of many in this society, and disguising it as 'patriotism', which is only used for the sake of convenience in this country, i.e, to sell flags and firecrackers to be used only once or twice a year.

I support Rene Marie and her unique freedom of expression, too bad some of us can't get over our cultural and political myopia and come to the same realization, and as long as there is breath in my body and music in my soul, her music will be a lasting part of my collection, listening preference and regular rotation on my radio show, she did nothing wrong, and this country's media ought to be ashamed of taking this to such a level of condemnation, which in part, only goes to show america's true colors.

Keep singing, Rene'....I'm listening to and appreciative of your legacy of music and bravery, and I shall not be moved by the lack of awareness of a select few.

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'Black National Anthem' brings City Council president hate mail

By Daniel J. Chacon, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)

Published July 1, 2008 at 6:04 p.m.Updated July 2, 2008 at 3:18 p.m.

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