'Asian hate' writer suspended
By Heath Urie, Daily Camera
Originally published 09:45 a.m., February 27, 2008
Updated 12:20 p.m., February 28, 2008
Glenn Asakawa © University Of Colorado
Max Karson, who wrote the controversial column, listens to the rally proceedings.
Darin McGregor / The Rocky
CU students hold hands while singing We Shall Overcome during Wednesday's protest rally.
Darin McGregor / The Rocky
Torey Gannon, left, and Victor Hsu listen to speeches condemning an opinion column.
BOULDER — The author of an opinion column that garnered national attention for saying Asians "hate us all" and should be hated back was suspended from CU's Campus Press newspaper staff Wednesday.
"Max Karson's duties with the Campus Press have been suspended pending a restructuring of the opinions section," according to a statement posted on the student paper's Web site Wednesday.
Karson ignited a firestorm last week when his piece titled "If it's war the Asians want ... It's war they'll get," infuriated some students and past members of the Campus Press staff who said the piece was inflammatory and a failed attempt at satire.
The statement goes on to say that the publication's editors are in the process of organizing an "open, public forum to address diversity sensitivity in our news coverage" and are rewriting their ethics policy.
The announcement came the same day university officials said they're close to announcing major changes in the way the paper is operated and overseen.
Faculty members within the CU School of Journalism and Mass Communication met behind closed doors for more than two hours Wednesday to discuss how to best change the management structure of the Campus Press, a class that operates within the school, so that offensive content doesn't get published.
The Campus Press already has agreed to establish a Student Diversity Advisory Board, invite student organizations to meet face-to-face with the editors, adopt an "opinions policy," schedule a series of diversity-awareness workshops for the entire staff and host a series of workshops for opinion writing and editing.
More than a dozen student members of the Campus Press sat outside the faculty meeting room Wednesday waiting to hear what decisions were made about the fate of the publication, but no announcement was made when the group emerged.
Paul Voakes, dean of the journalism school, did release a statement from the faculty group that served equally as an apology.
"This (column) is the antithesis of what we're trying to teach in our school," Voakes said. "The faculty and I take responsibility for the offense that the Campus Press obviously has caused."
He called Karson's column an "editorial mistake" that should have been caught.
Meanwhile, Karson's column continued to spark anger Wednesday.
Boulder City Manager Frank Bruno released a statement saying, "Discrimination is not what Boulder is about."
Also, about 150 students gathered on the University Memorial Center south plaza for a rally and demonstration against the Campus Press.
Chris Choe, a 21-year-old senior and member of the Korean American Students at Boulder group who led the rally, said he hopes the university's administration fundamentally changes how content is reviewed before it's published by the class.
"I want to see responsibility," Choe said. "I want to see that this isn't being marginalized."
Later, the group migrated to a large auditorium on the campus for a forum among Campus Press representatives, CU officials and student leaders.
Federal mediators brought in by student organizers from the U.S. Department of Justice moderated the public meeting, in which students continued to call for changes at the online student paper and in which Campus Press editors offered apologies for any pain that Karson's column caused.
"The mistake that I made when I published the article was thinking that my reactions spoke for everyone," Editor-in-Chief Cassie Hewlings, who sat somberly through the meeting, told the crowd. "I am so incredibly sorry. I didn't want to hurt anyone.
"I've learned more this past week than I have my whole 22 years of life."
EARLIER STORY
Student leaders at the University of Colorado on Wednesday demanded the resignations of the online student newspaper editor and a faculty adviser for publishing a column that has created a furor among Asian Americans and other minority students.
A diverse audience of nearly 200 people attended a rally outside University Memorial Center before meeting with CU-Boulder Chancellor Bud Peterson.
The students carried signs that read "Stop the Hate" and "Responsible Journalism Now."
Several rejected the idea that the Feb. 18 column - written by student Max Karson - was meant as a satire and instead called it hate speech. It was titled "If it's war the Asians want . . . It's war they'll get."
The students also were upset about a column published a day earlier titled "No hablo Ingles," or "I don't speak English."
"The editors at the Campus Press should rename that opinion section as 'racist viewpoints,' said David Chiu, a CU senior. "Once again, the reputation at CU has been tarnished. The publication of these articles embodies institutional racism."
He called for the resignation of Cassie Hewlings, Campus Press editor-in-chief, and faculty adviser Amy Herdy.
Both Hewlings and Herdy apologized directly to the audience after they were prompted by the student government's diversity director.
"I am sorry, it was no one's intent to be hurtful," said Herdy, who noted that the paper also had published an apology.
When someone asked Hewlings what she was apologizing for, she replied, "I am so incredibly sorry. I didn't want to hurt anybody. . . . It was a mistake for me not to see how more people would take this. I've learned more in this last week than I have in my entire 22 years of life."
After the meeting, Hewlings said she did not intend to resign.
Charles Gilford III, one of the three leaders of the CU student government, said he respects freedom of speech but that it was no excuse for publishing the column.
"You have no right to isolate and marginalize certain people," he said. "You have no right to attack a member of our family, and that's what's happened."
Gilford suggested that campus officials evaluate the column in light of federal anti-discrimination laws.
Peterson listened and took notes during the meeting.
At the end of the 90-minute session, he said he would direct students and staff to examine if anyone's civil rights had been violated. He noted that he has directed the journalism department's chairman to re-evaluate the structure and supervision of the Campus Press. He also vowed to re-examine some measures that the campus promised to take two years ago after another student leader received a racially charged death threat.
--John Ensslin, The Rocky
February 27, 2008
10:17 a.m.
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Elwood writes:
F*&^ ASIANS!!!
Is this better? What ever happened to free speech? Or is it only speech that doesn't offend ANYONE? Well people, you need to toughen up and not let your little feelings get hurt so easily.
February 27, 2008
10:21 a.m.
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Michael writes:
"Student editors defended the column as satire and said it is important to allow a variety of opinions in the campus paper for the sake of free speech and to encourage debate."
This argument is always accepted without much of a challenge when the target of the attack/humor/satire/parody is a member of any of the following groups: White, Male, Christian, Conservative, Republican, any member of the current administration, the US Military, The Minutemen, FOX News, US business and commercial interests, the oil & gas industry, the nuclear energy industry, Halliburton, KBR, or Wal-Mart. I might have missed a few but let any attack or satire be aimed at any of these groups and see if there is even a blip on the radar screen or any calls for more "tolerance" or diversity of thought training. Either ALL attacks are bad and NOT to be tolerated or ALL or allowable and everyone needs to grow some thick skin. The chickens have come home to roost on this issue.
February 27, 2008
10:33 a.m.
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rgb424 writes:
Michael: You are so right! But even more distressing is the fact that the 'protected' groups know this and use it to their advantage. Knowing the system and using it to your advantage is smart. This game is matured from the actions taken during the 60's. Unfortunately the system doesn't recognize it is being played. To a great degree the war on terror is a reason to finally wise up. People on welfare cheat, using the system to get more than they deserve, but this does not damage anything more than our finances. People working on Katrina construction projects cheat but at least some construction is happening and again, financial damage we can afford. But when Muslims use our own system, built based on the good will of Americans to the world, against us, creating a culture where they can plan and attack but we can not complain, that we can not afford. That we must not tolerate, that system we must change. This is a fine line because hate speech should not be the solution; no we should instead find a way to stop the freedoms allowed to the Muslims in creating hate plans against our culture, our people.
February 27, 2008
10:51 a.m.
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wow writes:
We need to be asking why the editorial staff thought the column made acceptable satire? All the writing critiques aside, is racial stereotyping funny? If so to whom is it funny? What is the appropriate venue for that type of humor? Who are these students learning from?
There is nothing wrong with approaching a sensitive issue in a news publication with a wry sense of humor, if the subject is treated with respect.
Stand up comics poke fun at racial differences, so does "The Onion". Finding the appropriate venue for that type of humor is easy. News publications are held to an entirely different standard, and should be. That is my understanding of what editors are for.
We don't need diversity training. We need better Journalism professors. If racial stereotyping is news, and it is, obviously, let's treat it like news, and discuss it constructively and informatively. This is not a free speech issue.
As for getting a thicker skin...well, maybe. But our tolerance of meanness is dropping, finally, and that is something to be celebrated. Disrespect for eachother has gone far enough.
February 27, 2008
10:59 a.m.
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Theoldguy writes:
Originally I was going to attack the two prior postings along with the article.
I've changed my mind.
I grew up in Chicago during the 50's and 60's. A veritable melting pot in the Midwest. What is now referred to as "disparaging remarks" were simply a shorthanded way of referring to someone. I heard enough comments about my ancestry to last a lifetime. Looking back at those days I see many different people, not much different from today, trying to get through the day and make ends meet. The difference is that political correctness has taken the vive la difference out of our lives. One size does not fit all. We all have the choice of who we associate with. Some mini-societies will always stay closed and distrustful of others. Human nature. So much has been forced on us that we are just now realizing how social engineers have tried to rewire us into a homogenous society easily manipulated as a whole. School children are naturally upset with the concept of losing their self or natural individual identity within a family group.
As hard as it is to agree with anything that comes out of CU I'll have to support this train of thought. We are individuals that have the right to use our words for good or bad. Right or wrong. PC and the thought police need to be put out of business along with the social engineers. Teachers need to teach and leave the raising of children to the parents. If that fails then there is the alternative, which I like. Rescind the mandatory education of children. Those that want to learn will be taught. Those that don't can easily find jobs in workhouses when the child labor laws are done away with.
Then, perhaps, the quality of education will reappear at CU.
February 27, 2008
11:28 a.m.
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American100 writes:
Wait a minute...did they say free speech should have limits?
Limits such as what? It's only OK to bash Americans? Especially white Americans?
It's not free speech if it has limits.
Where's that Austrailian PM speech about loving Austrailia or leaving it?
February 27, 2008
11:29 a.m.
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politwriter writes:
The sheepish University officials had better not make changes that in any way infringe on the 1st amendment freedoms of these student journalists or they will be facing the attorneys of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE), a Pennsylvania civil liberties legal foundation that has racked up win after win in the courts on matters just such as this.
It is outrageous and genuinely unAmerican that these leftist PC censors should try to spit in the face of the US Constitution and curtail the free speech rights of the student writers.
The protestors are the ideological heirs to the legacy of the book-burning Hitler Youth of 1933.
Further, how does a satiric op-ed piece merit the headline above the story?
Looks like some people in the Rocky Mtn. Newsroom need some 1st amendment sensitivity training.
February 27, 2008
11:41 a.m.
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amberspell writes:
What one person thinks is a casual and possibly humorous perspective is someone else's nightmare. As ridiculous as "catching people with nets" may sound to some people, doesn't it sound equally ridiculous to round up all the Japanese and if there is no where to put them, put them in a horse stable? Well, that is exactly what happened to my mother. She was rounded up with her two toddlers and newborn baby and put in a horse stable. She saw people get shot in the back, she had to continually warn her children to stay away from the fence lest they be shot as well.
She read this "satire" - and was alarmed and frightened. She should never have had to feel that kind of fear again living in this country. Shame on those of you who tell this 92 year old American born woman to get a thicker skin.
One of the problems with stereotypes is that they attempt to erase the most fundamental and truly beautiful aspects of who we are.
February 27, 2008
11:50 a.m.
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rs0420 writes:
Are you kidding me? These students should have better things to do than worry about someone's opinion. I hate to say it but the article about the Asian's has some truth to it. Not all but some. My thoughts, if you don't like what it says, DON'T READ IT!!! Duh! It's not that hard, that's why we have the freedom of choice to read whatever we want. "Free speech should have limits." Now that's an oxymoron right there. If it had limits, it wouldn't be free speech. These people should worry about their own education first. Typical Boulder people!!!
Amberspell- how about you tell your mother not to read the article? She has that choice.
February 27, 2008
11:57 a.m.
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Ottis writes:
No one owes anyone else "respect." You earn respect. Tolerance is enough. This is just the latest example of overreaction to something that mature adults would simply ignore. The writer's column says more about the writer than about Asians. Focus, people, and have some perspective.
February 27, 2008
12:11 p.m.
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kekepania writes:
It isn't the fact that people need to have a sense of humor about things and that all minorities need to have a thicker skin and not let their feelings be hurt so easily...it is a little thing called TACT. When it comes to race and religion there is a fine line between what people find as funny and what people are sensitive about. It is a fact of life when it come to these two subjects. Before you speak, think about your audience and their reaction! It is just a respect factor people.
February 27, 2008
12:14 p.m.
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Theoldguy writes:
amberspell
I wouldn't suggest that your mother get a thicker skin, that would detract from her femininity. Keeping a low profile would be more appropriate.
During the 30's and 40's Japan was exercising its muscle and feeling frisky after the Rape of Nanking. So "expansion" was in the air. The US was aware of this and sought to prevent even more Japanese spies into the country. When the Japanese set up housekeeping in Alaska that was a bit too much. The reality is that Japanese did look alike to Americans at that time. Germans couldn't be separated from the other white Europeans so they were left alone. You can bet that Hoover was having his FBI agents watching every move. The Japanese were subjected to the universal "one size fits all" routine that, looking back through history, was one giant, ignorant mistake. You'll also notice that the American Japanese were used in our Armed Forces and accumulated some wonderful awards and citations.
Since then we, as a culture, have been exposed to Bruce Lee, Jet Li, Jackie Chan and, my favorite, Sesshu Hayakawa. It would take a truly ignorant "round eye" to not see the difference between Chinese, Korean, Japanese and the other Asian countries.
Now that this country has been subjected to "Immigration extrordinaire" it will take some getting used to while things settle down. As you know Europeans are a raggedy bunch that need to be spoken to like a bunch of small school children. Eventually those at CU will graduate and move on. Hopefully others, a bit more intelligent and from families that were more selective with their breeding, will chose a path much smoother.
Until then be flexible like a bamboo grove and these fools will, in time, soon pass from the scene.
I'm sure your mother sees this country as one giant comedy and welcomes it for any reason other than the constant changing of who plays the fool. Along with a low profile I would also suggest getting a good seat.
February 27, 2008
12:25 p.m.
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rs0420 writes:
Kekepania- it's not about respect! It's about not reading what you don't like. It's that simple. "Mein Kampf" is a book about hating people but do you have to read it? No, you have a choice to read it or not read it.
February 27, 2008
12:30 p.m.
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zoos writes:
Man i hate white people
February 27, 2008
1:07 p.m.
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Theoldguy writes:
zoos
If you hate white people then why are you living where you're surrounded by them? This condition may be bad for your health.
February 27, 2008
1:08 p.m.
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SammyD writes:
"There should be limits on freedom of speech. This is a prime example."
Oh, THAT'S what we've fought for all these years. To have our freedom of speech taken away because someone was offended by satire. Jesus, people. Grow up.
I've got news: we don't get to choose when freedom of speech is allowed or not. Unless, of course, you want groups like the current administration to be able to control what you say and write.
February 27, 2008
1:28 p.m.
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HolierThanThou writes:
Free speech already has legal limits. Incitements of panic, violence, rioting, and other crimes is illegal.
How much of that did Max Karson's little jape incite?
About all I've seen is complaining.
Now we all know that there are college students who need education in civics 101, the Bill of Rights, and creative writing. I don't buy that Max Karson's stupidity should be cause for censorship. I would rather censor all those who say that he should be censored. You shut up first. Then we'll censor him. How about that?
If we go ahead with censorship then who gets to decide what's acceptable and what's not? I nominate Kim Jong Il. The man has experience in the job and knows how to shoot people who disagree with him. And he's Asian, which would be an added bonus for the people demanding censorship right now.
Now as for Max Karson, he is an idiot and should not be taken seriously. Does anyone honestly believe that Asians are going to be caught in large butterfly nets and forced to drink cheap beer or whatever it was that he suggested? Please...
Karson clearly has problems. If he knew anything about American history then he would not have written such an offense and moronic little piece of crap. Judging from his writing, I think it's clear he needs a program to help him with his substance abuse issues. Someone should take him aside and gently advise him to lay off the crack. Or maybe the exhaust system on his car has sprung a leak and his brain is deprived of oxygen.
If you don't like what he writes then disagree and criticize him. After all, there are probably idiots out there who are incapable of seeing through the ruse. They need you to enlighten them.
So, try growing some metaphorical testicles and apply your minds to the task instead of complaining that we all need a big nanny. Be careful, you might just get one.
February 27, 2008
1:33 p.m.
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Zinnia79 writes:
Freedom of Speech? How about Freedom of Color? People are so damn racist nowadays...how about Fu*k everybody! Fu*k Elwoood! There's a reason why a lot of people are pissed about Karson's article..it's hateful. So all you dumb people who says it's just freedom of speech...is just plain ignorant. Peace Out!
February 27, 2008
1:37 p.m.
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wow writes:
Ottis
In terms of dealing with some one, on a man to man basis, you enter into that association with basic respect for him as a person. You have respect for his personal space, his property, and his name when you remember it.
Having a basic attitude of respect for strangers you have nothing to do with is no different. It's not political correctness to avoid poking fun at an entire race of people...it's just good manners. In our reactionary stance against the rightly named thought police, we have abandoned common sense and good manners all together, and have become genuinely mean people.
That satirical op-ed piece was useless tripe with no meaning. Maybe Asians act wierd and are good at math...so, what's the point?
Are they arrogant? Lets talk about that idea. Lets make progress...but why be in the journalism business if what you really want to do is make off color jokes?
And why should any one be the target of off color jokes in a news publication created by thier own peers for their own consumption?
Racism is a reality that we all participate in, and to one degree or another it will always be with us. We need to speak respectfully to eachother about it. The op-ed writer didn't understand that, evidently, and now he's being schooled. His editors too. Rather than simply reacting, changing the subject to free speech, and who should grow a thicker skin, we should listen.
BTW---Freedom of speech does, and has always had limits. The first amandment is not being threatened in any way. The topic under discussion is the appropriate venue for racial satire.
February 27, 2008
1:40 p.m.
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fcatalina writes:
Just a reminder to all you "The leftist PC police have gone too far" types. Censorship is not a left/right issue. You are either for censorship or against it.
Many leftists are pro-censorship. This article gives us a prime example. The student who is quoted as saying this is an example of why limits should be placed on free speech is pro-censorship. Many of his compatriots would likely be marching if a (add diversity adjective here: gay, black, latino) book were banned at CU, rightly claiming censorship had wrongly occurred.
Many rightists are pro-censorship. Guiliani trying to shut down the art exhibit that depicted the Virgin Mary through the medium of cow dung springs to mind. Conservatives also like to censor news organizations from publishing information about secretive government programs and don't want children to read about anything having to do with homosexuality. These people, like the student quoted above, are pro-censorship.
Leftists and rightists can be pro-censorship. If you are against censorship, you are willing to hear things you don't like. This is not a political issue.
February 27, 2008
1:56 p.m.
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wow writes:
Polit-
The protesters in this matter are idiological heirs to book burning Hitler youth? Allow me to point out please that the Hitler youth never burned books written to make fun of the Jews. That would have been a bit silly, wouldn't it?
Amazing how fast Godwin's Law needs to be invoked on this thread.
Reductio ad Hitlerum---The argument is hereby refuted.
February 27, 2008
2:30 p.m.
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HolierThanThou writes:
MileHighGirl,
I know you're upset, but let's clear up the confusion between stupid speech and freedom of speech, OK?
Karson practiced stupid speech. Freedom of speech protects his right to show off how stupid he is. Freedom of speech also protects the right of those who take Karson seriously to show off how stupid they are.
Freedom of speech also protects my right to point out how stupid censorship is and to mock and poke fun at those who advocate it.
See the difference?
Let me know if you have any further questions.
February 27, 2008
2:40 p.m.
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ExploitAsian writes:
This is not an issue of free speech. "Satire" is not the issue. The issue is journalistic integrity. Nothing more. The Campus Press is trying to redefine and spin this issue because they know they have no journalistic integrity. They are just a wannabe paper with wannabe journalistic standards. Karson obviously wants to be a comedy writer rather than a journalist. So let him. Fire him. Let him write for the Onion. He'll make bank. As for Campus Press, fire the entire editorial staff, and get people who will focus on words like "journalism" and "truth" rather than wasting time trying to define "satire".
February 27, 2008
3:02 p.m.
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LadyArwyn writes:
Does no one understand that Max isn't making fun of Asians, he's parodying a "reasoned racism" argument! He's trying to make racists look stupid. Unfortunately he mangled it.
February 27, 2008
3:31 p.m.
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ExploitAsian writes:
Since everyone is having trouble understanding the real issue, here is how the article was READ. See it from out perspective:
“If it's war the chinks want…”
Since I transferred to CU last year, I've noticed some tension between the white students and the chink students. There's never any outright conflict, but I notice little things. Like, chinks always seem surprised whenever I talk to them. They stare at me for a few seconds as though I must have made some mistake, and once they realize I'm intentionally speaking to them, they aren't always thrilled.
On the other hand, white people are quick to ridicule chinks. They have no problem with making demeaning remarks about their looks, mannerisms, and accents-things they would never say about black people.
So when a chink refuses to make eye contact with me or dismisses me with a one-word sentence, I just say to myself, "Max, chinks are not evil cyborgs. They're human, just like you. And if you were a minority student in a sea of walnut-brained business majors and skiers, you'd be crabby, too."
But last week, I had an epiphany...
Contact Campus Press staff editor Max Karson at max.karson@colorado.edu
February 27, 2008
3:33 p.m.
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ExploitAsian writes:
I'm going to start calling up all the people who advertise with Campus Press and ask them why they support bad journalism?
February 27, 2008
3:43 p.m.
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rs0420 writes:
ExploitAsain- give me a break! Get over it!
February 27, 2008
3:59 p.m.
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ExploitAsian writes:
rs0420 - You're right. I should be the passive Asian person you are used to. You're right. I should be politically passive. You're right, Asian opinions don't matter. Only drunk college students who have nothing better to right should have the freedom of speech.
February 27, 2008
4:03 p.m.
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HolierThanThou writes:
ExploitAsian,
This is an issue of free speech because you're demanding that people be censored and/or fired for something that was published. So, stop your lying.
Such denials only make you look like Bush. Do you want to be like Bush? Giving censorship a pretty little euphemism like "journalistic integrity" certainly puts you in the same league as Karl Rove and Bush. But don't expect all of us to be so easily fooled. We've had eight years of that crap and only the stupidest 35% still buy it. And by now, a few of those probably have doubts.
Firing editors, reporters, columnists, and others because someone wrote something you don't like is still censorship.
So, here's my suggestion (politely rephrased from above): if you like censorship so much then start with yourself and STFU.
February 27, 2008
4:04 p.m.
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ONEman writes:
Boy you sure are an intelligent bunch a rednecks. Have we not learned anything about hate with the recent campus shootings. It starts off as free speech, then he shaves his head, with boots and swastikas to follow.Then he buys into the white men take America back for the "superior race" and all that garbage. If free speech promotes hate I say stick it up your A**.
February 27, 2008
4:06 p.m.
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ExploitAsian writes:
This is not about choice to read what you want. This is not about satire. This is not about freedom of speech. There are REAL problems that the Colorado Asian community is dealing with: rise of Asian suicides, immigration issues, health care issues, organization losing funds, illiteracy, etc. We don't need satire, we need journalistic integrity, we need truth. If you want satire, write for the Onion or the Daily. Karson is not a real journalist, he's a wannabe. And the Campus Press is a wannabe paper playing journalism. Like the typical college student, rather than report the truth, they want to have fun.
February 27, 2008
4:16 p.m.
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rs0420 writes:
ExploitAsian-
It's funny to me that what one moron writes in the paper gets your panties in a bunch. I think you should take a look at other issues in the world and quit worrying about this stupid article. All these issues you say are happening with the Asian community is happening to many other races as well. You make it sound like Asian's are the only ones with real problem and everybody else is imagining their problems. If the Campus Press is not a real paper than why is this even an issue? Obviously since they are not a real paper nobody reads it anyways.
February 27, 2008
4:17 p.m.
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ExploitAsian writes:
I am not demanding censorship. I want no goverment official. I don't even want them to retract the story, or fire Karson. I'm saying Karson, and the Campus Press needs to acknowledge that the article was just poor writing rather than hiding behind the shield of free speech. This is not a free speech issue. It's an intelligence issue. There are far more important things about the Asian community he could have written about, and I'm simply voicing my opinion about his opinion. And if the advertisers don't share my opinion, so be it. It's not a matter of free speech. The quality of journalism in general has gone down the drain lately, and the Campus Press is just another participant.
February 27, 2008
4:20 p.m.
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ONEman writes:
ExAsian are you really expecting this bunch of yahoos to be sympathetic to non-white American issues? Won't happen with hateful tater tots like the ones who post most of the time. What's with the chink word? If you don't want them to say it don't put it out there.
February 27, 2008
4:22 p.m.
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ExploitAsian writes:
rs0420 - You are one of those guys who refuses to see a problem unless it directly effects you. Yes, the problems that Asians face are being experienced by many other groups, but that does not make it irrilavant. You are basically saying that if a woman gets raped she has no right to complain because the woman in other parts of the world suffer. That is a ridiculous argument and you know it. And I'm only focusing on this issue as much as you are so you might want to pull your panties too :-) Look, I've always been advocacy of free speech. Again, that's not the issue. Journalist have standards. Karson followed none, and neither did the Campus Press. The CP even admitted they made a mistake. Ignoring problems and minimizing the issue may make you sound clever Rs420, but you're really not saying anything relevant...just like Karson :-)
February 27, 2008
4:23 p.m.
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rs0420 writes:
Oneman- Living in this world promotes hate. You see it everyday in one form or another. But we, as rational human beings, should be able to differentiate one's opinion from the truth.
February 27, 2008
4:26 p.m.
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ONEman writes:
never mind I see that was a quote from the article. Sorry. Poor journalism is an understatement.
February 27, 2008
4:26 p.m.
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ExploitAsian writes:
ONEman - I don't know who these people are. I just know they care enough to post and discuss. I didn't say I don't want them to say "chink". I'm just saying that's how it was perceived. That's all I'm trying to convey: What my response is to Karsons opinion. He has the right to print what he want, and I have the right to talk to CPs advertisers, and rs240 has the right to say what he wants.
But this is all a distraction. CP lacks journalistic standards. Event they admitted in a press release today. The one thing I haven't seen, however is, what's this racial tension at CU that Karson was eluding to prior to the release of the article? Isn't that the real story? Is he referring to Virginia Tech? That to me is the interesting story, yet no one has published anything about it to date. Like I said, CP keeps dropping the ball.
February 27, 2008
4:31 p.m.
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ExploitAsian writes:
rs0420 - thanks for agreeing that CP is not a real paper. But they can be. And when I went to CU, I loved the variety of opinions that the paper. Even if I disagreed with the opinion, I never wanted them to ban it, or censor it or anything like that. What I'm arguing for is better journalistic standards. Nothing more. Surely we can both agree to that. And you are right, there are important issues out there that many groups suffer from. Karson decided to ignore it and just make something up instead under the banner of satire. Like I said, typical lazy college student mentality: they find the truth too hard to report so they just make something up instead.
February 27, 2008
4:31 p.m.
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ONEman writes:
rs0420 Oneman- Living in this world promotes hate.
That is up to the individual promoting it(usually a lonely loser with no friends who need a reason to hate everyone else as much as they hate themselves. But I guess if that's how you wanna live this beautiful life, that's really your problem. Sad and pathetic to say the least.
February 27, 2008
4:31 p.m.
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rs0420 writes:
If the article wouldn't have gotten the attention it has, do you really think the CP would have said anything about it? And by the way, I AM ASIAN as well. I just don't think that what some young ignorant punk says in his own opinion has relevance. And I by no means said that the Asian issues don't matter. You are the one that made it sound like the Asian problems are the only thing to worry about. And don't compare this article written by Karson to a woman being raped. That's like comparing oranges to apples.
February 27, 2008
4:36 p.m.
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rs0420 writes:
ONEboy- So now it comes down to personal attacks, huh? Real mature, yahoo.
February 27, 2008
4:37 p.m.
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ONEman writes:
I did'nt mean you specifically I meant the hater at hand. Sorry.
February 27, 2008
4:39 p.m.
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rs0420 writes:
Apology accepted.
February 27, 2008
4:39 p.m.
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ExploitAsian writes:
rs0420 - You're right. Karson's article has no comparison to a woman being raped. THAT's my point. There are more important issues to talk write about in a newspaper. He's ignoring real issues.
And I don't really care if you're Asian or not. I said you are the type of person who doesn't care unless it directly effects you. This article does not effect you therefor you are trying to minimize. But then why do you keep commenting on it? Hmmm. So I guess it's impacting you somehow. If this controversy was truly irrelvant to you, you would've logged off long ago. Regardless, this issue does affect me because I'm a journalist, and as a journalist, I'm appalled at the lack of journalistic standards at CP.
And I never said only Asian issues matter. I said there are more important Asian issues that could have been covered, but ignored by Karson and staff. Karson has the right to his opinions. He has the right to publish them. I don't care about those issues. CP should stop considering themselves journalists. And I take back what I said about Karson working for the Onion. I know folks at the Onion, and Karson isn't smart or funny enough.
February 27, 2008
4:43 p.m.
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ONEman writes:
I'm curious is'nt it a journalists job to give neutral information and leave the reader to make up their own mind. Or something to that nature, I thought I heard something like that in school once. Can you enlighten me a little Exasian. Thank you.
February 27, 2008
4:43 p.m.
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ExploitAsian writes:
Rs0420 - As for attention, CP put out a timeline of how the article got published. They admitted they decided to go forward, not because it'll bring the racial tension issue out (which I still don't know much about) AND get them publicity through the controversy. At the same time, however, I think they were afraid because they don't know what kind of publicity it will give them. The average person may think there is no such thing as bad publicity, well, tell that to Howard Dean okay :-)
BTW - Does anyone know what this racial tension Karson was elduing to PRIOR to article being released? Or was that made up, too. Perhaps if Karson were a better writer, and CP team were better editors, I wouldn't have to ask this questions.
February 27, 2008
4:47 p.m.
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ExploitAsian writes:
ONEman - Technically a journalist should be unbiased, and technically it's nearly impossible to be unbiased. This was a opinion piece. So we have to start there. So Karson can say what he wants, just like on FoxNews. The CP can technically print what they want in the name of opinion or satire, just like the Onion. That's NOT THE ISSUE.
This is just a case of bad writing and bad satire. He was the right to write bad satire, and CP has the right to publish bad satire. But that has nothing to do with good journalism.
February 27, 2008
4:47 p.m.
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ONEman writes:
The reason athlete/engineers like my cousin chose to attend Arizona better. Well and the weather too and to get away from Mom and Dad so he can party but still he mentioned the racism CU is known for.
February 27, 2008
4:48 p.m.
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rs0420 writes:
I keep commenting because your responses humor me so much. And the article being about Asians does effect me. I just choose to pick my battles over something just a little more important. But I do agree that the journalistic standards are far below par. I've seen it in real papers such as the Rocky Mountain News. It's media in general that need to get the facts straight and the real truth.
February 27, 2008
4:54 p.m.
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ONEman writes:
Are unbiased and one sided the same thing? Everyone has an opinion but nobody is always right. Should'nt journalists show more humility in their craft, I would think to honor the integrity of it. But that's just me. Whoever runs that paper must be a moron to think that would'nt offend people.
February 27, 2008
4:57 p.m.
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ONEman writes:
real papers such as the Rocky Mountain News. LMAO
What is "real"? If you are saying the RMN does it also, then I agree, watch anytime the news involves Hisapnics or Blacks. Front page with a mugshot no doubt.
February 27, 2008
4:59 p.m.
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rs0420 writes:
All news does it!
February 27, 2008
5:01 p.m.
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ONEman writes:
So I guess that makes it "ALLWHITE"(alright) then does'nt it?
February 27, 2008
5:01 p.m.
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rs0420 writes:
Thanks for the laugh.
February 27, 2008
5:10 p.m.
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ExploitAsian writes:
Journalistic integrity has gone way down the tubes. Think about it. You can't turn on the TV all they talk about is what Paris, Brittney, and Bradgelina are up to. Or they cover a sound bite from a politician, but I have no idea what the actual policies they are pushing. Instead of having local journalist cover important stories, they're just barfing up what they're national affiliated, like Fox, are telling them to say.
Yes, I know, I know. Nothing new I guess.
As for fighting small battles versus big battles...I guess that's subjective, and I'll keep it at that ;-)
The CP issue is just a microcosm what what's happening in other parts of media field.
Asian issues, in general, are ignored relative to other minority based issues. Affirmative Action? Let's interview the black lady. Immigration issues? Let's interview the Hispanic guy. Ironically, the newscaster interviewing them is alwasy Asian (I know, I know. Sterogype).
Did you know, for example, Nielson rating only take into account what black, hispanics, and whites think about television. They don't even have a category for Asian. If you don't believe me, ask one of those freaks that ask you to watch movie trailers at the mall. They have the paperwork to prove it. That's right, Nielson believes that Asian opinions provide "significant data."
It is this same shared belief about Asians why Karson probably thought he could getaway with it. Same with CP. Since it is an opinion piece, there really was no obligation for CP to print it. It was just they're right. And with that right comes responsibilities. There were many issues that could have been given to that space (both Asian and non-Asian issues).
Karson deliberate chose to not to write about them, and CP deliberately chose to not print them.
And those are the only issues. Everything else is just spin from groups who want to attach themselves to this story, and I'm including the company I keep.
February 27, 2008
5:17 p.m.
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rs0420 writes:
Well said, ExploitAsian, well said.
February 27, 2008
5:30 p.m.
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HolierThanThou writes:
ONEman,
Thanks for the made up rubbish about how freedom of speech foments mass murder. This let's us know that you're coming from a position of irrational fear. Not one massacre in the history of the United States of America can be solely attributed to the exercise of free speech. Massacres come from the exercise of insanity and a lack of critical reasoning when it rears its ugly head. So, more killing happens when people are not allowed to express their misgivings or choose not to in the face of collective insanity.
Murderers sometimes publicize their intentions prior to committing their crimes. But the speech alone is not the cause of their madness. It is merely one expression of it. Not all murderers publicize their intentions. So, there is no easy rule for judging the likelihood of a massacre based on casual speech.
If you would bother to read American history since 1776, you will find that there is only one group of people, and only one, who never had a significant grievance of one form or another during that time. Calling them white is not accurate. Try calling them wealthy families. Better yet, use their names. Let's be precise.
It doesn't matter what color skin you have. Everyone has some history of troubles and conflict. Some worse than yours and some not so bad. Irish weren't even considered "white" when they came. Germans were persecuted. Eastern Europeans were exploited in the Chicago packing houses. Many Africans came here in chains to be slaves. Native Americans were massacred and then had their culture nearly erased.
Even dumbass rednecks were exploited by their own ignorance in the Civil War. They fought for the rights of wealthy plantation owners to keep slaves, an evil luxury which precious few of those rednecks would ever have been able to afford. Many of them are still being fooled today. Look at all the Confederate flags. It's a badge of the exploited stupid, not "state's rights". Millions of them were maimed or died for the lost cause, which would have given them less than a handful of horsedung had they won.
Getting upset over a stupid joke will never help your cause. If anything, I predict that if you all get hysterical enough about Max Karson's piece of work then you could elevate his notoriety to the national stage.
I, for one, would rather not see that happen.
February 27, 2008
5:39 p.m.
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ONEman writes:
Did you know, for example, Nielson rating only take into account what black, hispanics, and whites think about television.
I would take that as a compliment ExploitAsian.
I actually think they play to the dummies who spend ALL their time watching TV who are mostly black and hispanic (I'm guilty). The stereo type is that Asians watch their own channel or are to busy working or pursuing something of substance such as an education,trade or perfecting an art.That's just how I perceive you as a people very peaceful and ambitious. No time for TV and especially not the mega-drama and crap that's on most of the time.
February 27, 2008
5:45 p.m.
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ONEman writes:
Holier thank for all your rubbish about how hateful freedom of speech somehow is a good thing and if anything divides us as a people. There is no good to come out of it. I was more saying that freedom of speech should be cherished as an honorable virue not a fork tongued viper. Do you feel me? Love not hate, light to the dark (thinking not skin color). It's something honorable why slander it with hate?
February 27, 2008
5:52 p.m.
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ONEman writes:
Oh and by the way I don't allow fear or hate to cloud my thinking. I have no fear of hate or it's cheerleaders. I'm just acknowledging the ignorance of it. And it starts with racist rantings and evolves into innocent people being hurt. But I also honor my right to bear arms so I have no reason to fear what I can shoot. Don't get it confused there guy.
February 27, 2008
6:07 p.m.
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ExploitAsian writes:
HolierThanThou - Oh, my God. Haven't we heard this argument too many times: because others have sufferings worse than our our suffering doesn't matter. That's so illogical on so many levels.
If it doesn't matter to you, why are you commenting on it? It matters to me, that's why I'm commenting on it. See how logic works? ABC's and 123's are tomorrow.
I am not of the belief that because racism is not a "national stage" that the problem doesn't matter. I don't care about the national stage. What I care about are journalist wasting time writing jokes when, AS YOU SAID, there are more important things going around.
Stop spinning the issue and focus on what the actual story is. The writer thought making fun of Asians is good journalism/satire. The editor agreed, and decided to publish. There is a public outcry from the readers. I'd rather have active readers than brain dead ones, wouldn't you agree?
This is not hysteria. That is another red herring.
This is about journalism. It's about good journalism vs. bad journalism. I don't know how making fun of Asians, satire or not, is good journalism. And if you think it's good journalism...well, you're entitled to that opinion. That's right, no censorship. You have a right to say what you want, and Karson has a right to say what he said.
But it's still bad journalism at the end of the day.
Don't forget, these are student who made a big editorial mistake. Do you want them to go on and become real reporters with these so called journalistic standards.
I think both Karson and the editor should step down. They obviously don't know what they are doing.
February 27, 2008
6:09 p.m.
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ExploitAsian writes:
And bad journalism does have immediate real life consequences.
February 27, 2008
6:22 p.m.
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ExploitAsian writes:
Also, even Karson said that he didn't consider the article a joke. He said that he thought was a serious satire about racial tensions that was on campus (BEFORE the article came out). So it's not a silly little joke, and it's like a silly little article. THEY thought it serious, and "controversial" was the Campus Press used.
You should read on the current history of what's going on with THIS issue rather than trying to lead us into red herring, and trying to show off your so-called knowledge of American history.
There are problems we all suffer from regardless of race. There are issues, however, that are unique to each group. I don't think anyone ever asked an African-American if he knows how to speak English in a really slow and demeaning manner. On the other hand, Asians may not know what it's like for certain groups of blacks who are constantly pulled over for no apparent reason other than the fact they are black.
I don't know any issues that are unique to white people I'm not saying there aren't any, I just don't know what they are. I didn't realize that white people are more often than not rejected for a job because of race? I didn't know that white people are more often than night automatically accused of being a gang banger because of the way they are dressed. I didn't realize that white people always get confused for another white person at work. I didn't realize that white people are constantly asked if that's they last name or first name. I didn't realize that white people were so well versed on the plight of Asians.
I guess that's why Karson wrote what he wrote, and the editor approved it. They are experts on the minority plight. Thank you Campus Press. I would have written those articles myself, but I have you instead. Beside, my English not so good ;-D
February 27, 2008
6:29 p.m.
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ExploitAsian writes:
If you don't understand why Asians are upset, the least you could do not trivialize racial issues. There is nothing trivial about racism or discrimination, in any form. Racism is like a mental cancer. It causes people to think irrationally, and therefor behave irrationally. I'm not saying racist thoughts lead to violence. I'm saying racist thoughts lead to racists action: discrimination based on color, race, gender, etc.
This specific type of irrational thinking leads to specific irrational actions. Like minimizing and trivializing the plight of others.
This article is not the most important issue of the world, or even of the hour. But it is important, as opposed to be being not important. And it's not of small importance. It is of great importance because these are future journalists we are talking about, who will go on working for major networks. And if you think being laxed about journalistic integrity has not impact, you haven't been watching the news....you've been brainwashed by it.
February 27, 2008
7:17 p.m.
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ExploitAsian writes:
Here are excerpts from the original Karson article. Is this journalism? Is this funny? Should people who find this funny be university journalists?
Part 1:
"If it's war the chinks want…"
Since I transferred to CU last year, I've noticed some tension between the white students and the chink students. There's never any outright conflict, but I notice little things. Like, chinks always seem surprised whenever I talk to them. They stare at me for a few seconds as though I must have made some mistake, and once they realize I'm intentionally speaking to them, they aren't always thrilled.
On the other hand, white people are quick to ridicule chinks. They have no problem with making demeaning remarks about their looks, mannerisms, and accents-things they would never say about black people.
So when a chink refuses to make eye contact with me or dismisses me with a one-word sentence, I just say to myself, "Max, chinks are not evil cyborgs. They're human, just like you. And if you were a minority student in a sea of walnut-brained business majors and skiers, you'd be crabby, too."
But last week, I had an epiphany.
After my friend and I finished working our abs at the Rec Center, we decided to head upstairs to tighten our buns on the StairMaster. As we walked down the hallway, a rubber ball bounced out of one of the racquetball courts and landed at the feet of a chink in front of us. He picked up the ball and leaned over the railing of the court nearest to him.
February 27, 2008
7:19 p.m.
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ExploitAsian writes:
Original Karson article part 2:
The chink stared at me blankly for another second, and then he looked back down into the court next to him and offered them the ball again.
"That's not our ball," the guy called up.
"Excuse me," I said. The chink whipped his head around and scowled at me. "I think it goes to that court."
He paused a few seconds, and then he said, in a perfect American accent, "Okay," and tossed the ball into the court next to me.
That's when it hit me.
The chink was so jaded by his experiences with the whitebread, brainless tree sloths of CU that even though three people had explained to him that he was trying to return the ball to the wrong court, it was inconceivable to him that we might be right.
And when he looked into my eyes, it wasn't just irritation and disgust that I saw-it was hate. Pure hate.
I'm such a fool for not realizing it sooner. I can't tell you how many times the chinks have treated me like a retarded weasel and I've forgiven them. But now I know that chinks are not just "a product of their environment," and their rudeness is not a "cultural misunderstanding."
They hate us all.
And I say it's time we started hating them back. That's right-no more "tolerance." No more "cultural sensitivity." No more "Mr. Pretend-I'm-Not-Racist."
It's time for war.
But we won't attack their bodies or minds. We will attack their souls.
The first step, or "Phase 1," is to find them all. Anyone who is interested in signing up to volunteer can do so by e-mailing me. Next Sunday at noon, we will all meet at Farrand Field. Each volunteer will be issued an extra-large butterfly net.
The hunt will then begin.
When I blow my whistle, we will scatter in every direction and catch as many chinks as possible. Make sure to pay special attention to the Rec Center, the UMC, the math and engineering buildings and Lollicup. If you're not sure if someone is a chink, give them a calculus problem to do in their head. If they get it right, net 'em.
Captured chinks will be dragged to my apartment on the Hill and hog-tied. Once they're all secured in my living room, "Phase 2" will come into effect.
The chinks' reformation will begin with a 100-round beer pong tournament. They will listen to "It's a Small World" on repeat while they play.
When the tournament is finished, the chinks will then be forced to eat bad sushi from Hapa-with forks. When all the sushi is gone, they will be permitted to sleep for four hours, but the entire time I will shout through a megaphone, over and over, "Why didn't you make enough Wiis?!"
February 27, 2008
7:19 p.m.
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ExploitAsian writes:
Original Karson article: final part.
In the morning, the chinks will arrange themselves in rows, if they haven't naturally done so already. I will stand in front of them and hold up a card with the name of an emotion on it such as, "sad," or "surprised." The chinks must then make a facial expression to match the word on the card. Any chink who remains deadpan or makes the wrong face will be tickled until they pee. When all chinks make the correct face at the same time, the game will end, but then they will be yelled at for being conformists.
The chinks will then be allowed to play "Dance Dance Revolution." However, the game will be rigged so that the chinks will receive no points, regardless of how robotically they dance.
Any chink who tries to escape will be butterfly-netted and sent back to my apartment for another "Phase 2." Anyone caught speaking any language other than English will be kissed on the lips.
Once the chink spirit has been broken, "Phase 3" will begin. Before we let the chinks go, we will go to their homes and redecorate them in a traditional American style. We will replace their rice cookers with George Foreman Grills, their green tea mochi with fried Snickers bars, and their rice rockets with Hummers. And booster seats.
When "Phase 3" is complete, the chinks will be released.
Now, I understand that this plan may upset some of you chink readers, but the only other way to make peace would be to expel you. If you're smart, you'll turn yourselves in now, and it will all be over in a few days.
Besides, look on the bright side-we're not going to put you through anything we haven't put ourselves through, and we all turned out fine.
Contact Campus Press staff editor Max Karson at max.karson@colorado.edu
February 27, 2008
7:50 p.m.
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Oh_Wise_One writes:
ExploitAsian- this Karson should get the same punishment that the doofus at CSU got for his F*ck Bush. Hmmmm? Howz about that. Nothing. Free speech for thee but not for me.
February 27, 2008
8:10 p.m.
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ExploitAsian writes:
Journalists love to scrutinize politicians and put their words under a microscope. Journalists don't seem to like it when the shoe is on the other foot.
February 27, 2008
8:21 p.m.
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Jim_in_Erie writes:
Choe and the others want CU to foster a campus that is "built on mutual respect for one another, and not mere tolerance."
The very idea that there be mandatory "mutual respect for one another, not 'mere' tolerance" is the truly frightening thing about this offended group.
That you will be vilified if you don't show "respect" for someone else, or their 'culture', is based upon the obviously silly notion that all persons, their ideas and culture, are equal. And who exactly is to determine when the "proper" amount of respect is shown is unclear, but I would guess that the "offended" group/person demands the right to that determination.
As others have noted, the liberal elements of this country, particularly in the 'higher education' institutions have used the free speech argument to bash President Bush for 7 years now.
Grow a skin, heck, grow up.
I can't stand the opinion's of Paul Campos.....SO I DON"T READ HIS CRAP.
See, it's not really all that complicated, is it?
February 27, 2008
8:21 p.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
Free speech with limits is UNFREE speech.
February 27, 2008
8:24 p.m.
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arby writes:
Man you guys are way out of control. Take a deep breath, all of you.
First of all a bunch of you stole my best line
" How can it be freedom of speech if it has limits?"
Does anyone know where the word "Chinks" came from? It derived from the Mandarin word for please "Qing" which is what the Chinese say in front of every request. And there were a lot of qings being said back in "the day" Whatever that means. I guess it means good old days if you're whitey. Bad old days if you're not. I've never seen any footage of American Asians burning the city they live in. Watts. I've never seen American Asians parading with another country's flag on some other country's non-holiday. Se Cinco de Mayo.
We are all Americans no hyphen and the sooner we get it together the better off all of us will be.
In closing I think the author of the CU article is a total ass but he has a right to be a total ass the same as you and me. BTW, I'm as white as the driven snow.
February 27, 2008
8:32 p.m.
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BillORights writes:
We do not need to limit free speech, but only need to counter it with -again- free speech.
You do not like what someone has written, write back.
unatly many people have not progressed.
Words If you disagree that what they say is true, then provide research facts, and figures to the contrary. freedom of speech, peer review are essential to an open democratic society.
Satire is a catagory of free speech, including racial issue satire.
In example, Archie Bunker was a satire of a working class white male, ex marine, and INCREDIBLE racist who was a Typical product of his time.
His son-n-law was a satire of a hippie intellectual perpetual college student and INCREDIBLE liberal who was also a complete product of his time.
The real joke was that they were really the same person.
If they were born in the others crib they would have used the same word and arguements only in the oposite mouths.
But what is different, what was isn't satire, are the very real experieces, such as a woman and her children being rounded up and put into a horse stable with her children while Archie Bunkers took shots for kicks into the stable from time to time because she and her family were of Japanise decent. This happened in the land of the free, while we were fighting Nazis in Germany. See above blog for that one.
Mel Brooks could make satire from that.
(Come on now, dont be a smarty, come and join the nazi party!)
written by Jewish New Yorker and VERY VERY anti Nazi.
feel free to satirize above lyrics in your best attempt at a Brooklyn Yiddish accent.
Laughing at racism is anti racist.
Bad satire can hurt.Even if the intentions are good.
Write better satire.
Writing well is hard work.
Real progress has been made. Regressions, such as Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay have also been made.
Rather than censure a satire, write, think, and hopefully progress.
February 27, 2008
8:38 p.m.
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BillORights writes:
I want to censure adverbs.
like the censure in Catch 22.
February 27, 2008
8:56 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
GWM, Where are you? We've lost jdub...
February 27, 2008
9:08 p.m.
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galty writes:
Bravo Chris Choe!
Ban words that are hurtful.
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but mean words are really hurtful.
We cannot tolerate hurtful words. We must censure and expel if necessary those who utter hurtful words. I'd prefer if we could do that quite nicely, though.
February 27, 2008
9:16 p.m.
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RegusPatoff writes:
What most folks in the People's Republic of Boulder seem to always miss is that Free Speech does not mean speech without consequence (remember F*+K BUSH?). When this type of garbage disguised as journalism or weak satire finally drives all of the revenue away (i.e. advertisers, university donors, et. al), then maybe the editorial staff will think twice about printing whatever comes their way. And if the University decides to implement restrictions, also known as standards, to nix this kind of garbage, it is not censorship or free speech violation, folks... it's simply smart. It doesn't involve any laws or legal ramifications, only ethics. The Univ. of Colorado needs to pull its head out of its rear end and get smart. This is not journalism.
The bottom line is that Free Speech must remain without limits, legally. However, all speech needs accountability. Just because you have the right to say and print anything you want (aside from treason), does not mean that you can do it without any