ROSEN: Republicans in a pickle

By Mike Rosen, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)

Published February 22, 2008 at 12:05 a.m.

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February 22, 2008

7:46 a.m.

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jay writes:

"Many of today's swing voters regard the George W. Bush presidency as a failure"

I had no idea the vast majority of the country was considered "swing voters"

McCain's resurgence lately isn't some nebulous mystery. We know why he won. The republican party has started to swing away from the far right wing position it was taken to by the illegal immigrant chicken little conpsiracy theorists and the relgious right extremists fundamentalists. Pretty simple really.

The real pickle the republicans face is the fact that mccain's policies support a continuation of the failures seen over the last 7 years...a path that is overwhelmingly unpopular by those pesky "swing voters"...as rosen likes to call nearly 8 out of 10 americans apparently.

USA Today/Gallup Poll. Jan. 10-13, 2008. N=1,021 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.

"Would you like to see the next president generally continue with George W. Bush's policies, or would you rather see the next president change direction from Bush’s policies?"

Continue 17%
Change Direction 79%
Unsure 4%

Those numbers more accurately represent the policy failures behind the "pickle" in which the far right finds themselves these days....not some conspiracy theory about a "rebellion within the ranks" as rosen tries so hard to sell.
February 22, 2008

7:59 a.m.

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bluejacket writes:

The Democrats and Republican are looking more and more like a party with one body with two heads. No matter which one you vote for, you get your pocket picked, promises broken, and a government run amok.
February 22, 2008

9:12 a.m.

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irisman writes:

I agree with Mike, and that doesn't happen very often. Traditionally the major parties in this country haven't been very ideological, and when they try promote a narrow ideology, they lose more votes than they gain. For years the GOP let Rush and Ann act as their de facto propaganda ministers, so I guess they are getting what they deserve.
Mike should pay a visit to John Andrews, bring a bottle of good whiskey, and together they could console each other.
February 22, 2008

9:17 a.m.

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Tree_Hugger writes:

There are a lot of Republicans who would rather be led by a failing Republican than by a successful Democrat.

Media personalities like Limbaugh, O'Reilly, and Coulter have successfully convinced the Republican masses that moderate liberal Democrats are "Socialists in disguise."

The sad fact of the matter is that the Bush administration has done far more harm to the Republican party than any Socialist could ever dream of doing. Perhaps George W. Bush is a Socialist wearing the mask of a Conservtive. What else could possibly explain his ineptitude and lack of common sense?
February 22, 2008

9:31 a.m.

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Nick_in_Virginia writes:

Since Ann Coulter said that she would be willing to campaign for Hillary, Clinton's campaign has gone straight down the tubes. So maybe Coulter knew something about the psyche of the Democratic voters that others don't. Now let's see if we can get her to say she will campaign for Obama, and McCain may end up being elected in the only uncontested Presidential election in our history.

To Jay: As for the polls that say 79% want "change" - what kind of change? Both liberals and conservatives want "change" on, for example, entitlements - libs want to spend more on them, conservatives want to spend less. That hardly puts us in the same category. So don't put too much faith into these types of questions or the pollsters that ask them. History will treat Bush along the lines of Harry Truman (whom I consider to be the 2nd best president of my lifetime), and maybe better, because the economy has set records under Bush (highest GDP, highest employment numbers, highest tax revenues, longest period of continuous job growth, etc.) that the MSM just does not mention, because they are afraid they might actually make his administration look good. Just like the NY Times and the Washington Post ignored what Geldof said in Africa, that Bush had done more for Africa than any other American president, and the MSM has missed that story. Sure enough, the Times and the Post did not mention Geldof's statement the next day.
February 22, 2008

10:19 a.m.

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jay writes:

"what kind of change?"

the question was very specific, nick. 8 out of 10 americans don't want the next president to continue bush's policies. this is a big problem for the republicans because mccain's policy stances would do just that. tough to spin that into something else.
February 22, 2008

10:28 a.m.

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rickg19611 writes:

Funny how the loons manage to ignore their own failures, while pointing fingers at others..... just like the morons that claim that polls show American's disliking Bush with his 38% approval rating..... while ignoring the Democrats far worse approval rating of 21%.

Rosen nailed it.... Americans simply want something different.... and that includes something different than the typical Democrat hate machine too.
February 22, 2008

10:31 a.m.

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ollie writes:

A democratic president and congress wouldn't do near the harm to
this country as did Bush and his cronies and republican congress.
February 22, 2008

10:32 a.m.

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jay writes:

it's funny how so many conservatives now don't believe in holding their own party accountable for their track record over the last 7 years, but would rather defer the blame to someone else...like our friend rick above.

where does the buck stop?
February 22, 2008

10:33 a.m.

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Ted_in_Vegas writes:

Jay: I'd like a new direction from George W. Bush too! A MORE CONSERVATIVE and/or DECISIVE direction!

Just because a vast majority of voters want a new direction doesn't mean we all want to go the same direction that you dream of. Another logical fallacy of yours...
February 22, 2008

10:56 a.m.

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Jeff writes:

'Maybe this is all a shrewd deception. Do you suppose these opinion leaders of the right are only pretending to oppose McCain? Could this be a ploy to woo moderate Democrats and independents to McCain by virtue of his rejection by "right-wingers"?'

I've heard this theory floated, but it just doesn't wash. The aforementioned commentators have made their hate for McCain known for several years. I very much doubt Limbaugh is some sort of Nostradamus who predicted this presidential race a decade in advance and hatched this brilliant canard to get McCain elected (especially considering his problems with substance abuse).

"McCain is no Reagan but, then again, neither was Bush 41 or Bush 43."
The sentence should read "neither was Bush 41 NOR Bush 43." It's either/or, neither/nor ... This may seem nit-picky, but Rosen is constantly correcting callers and others on misuse of the language. What's good for the goose...
February 22, 2008

11:52 a.m.

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Spencer writes:

Gosh it sounds like Rosen is almost rooting for the country to have hard times. Why does he hate America?
February 22, 2008

12:04 p.m.

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BW writes:

I feel bad for the Dr. Dobson's of the world (who has also stated he won't back McCain). Dr. Dobson has been lead astray by the devil in his misguided attack on abortion and gay rights. If only his eyes would be opened to what the word of God truly is speaking to (justice/equality) instead of the hate he preaches now. If is energy were really focused on God's will for this world his organization could have probably eliminated hunger instead of creating fear and pain. Maybe someday he will see the light.
February 22, 2008

12:32 p.m.

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Woodrow writes:

Its so funny to watch all of these Republicans start to distance themselves from Bush and his massive and utter failures. You people were so certian he was the best choice during the last two elections. Your credability is GONE so why should we listen to anything you say now? Go away and be wrong in private.
February 22, 2008

12:41 p.m.

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jay writes:

"Just because a vast majority of voters want a new direction doesn't mean we all want to go the same direction that you dream of. Another logical fallacy of yours..."

again teddy...you're confused. 8 out of 10 americans don't want w's policies continued. nothing more, nothing less. if you want them to swing even farther to the extreme right wing...that's certainly your opinion...but we once again get to see a shining example of how far out on the far extreme of the political spectrum you stand.
February 22, 2008

1:26 p.m.

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Ted_in_Vegas writes:

Yes, Jay, in another 4-8 years, we will see just how extreme I am...

My point is, I think you think you have more support for your lefty pipedreams than you actually do.

Besides, just because I'm in the minority doesn't mean I'm wrong... Regardless of whether your liberal or conservative, you can look at history and find times that you think the majority was wrong...
February 22, 2008

1:54 p.m.

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tandrhansen writes:

Someone pointed this out earlier but Americans want change....

From early February the average congressional apprval rating is about 25% (many polls averaged from http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm) check it out. Americans want change in congress too and I hate to tell you this, democrats are in charge of congress.

I'm a moderate republican who, quite frankly, hates that the extreme of my party has had such a strong say for so long.

Bush didn't do anything conservative, he increased spending, expanded the government, pushed government into our lives (a democrat philosophy), etc. etc. etc.

Unfortunately, the Democrats aren't doing anything to moderate their views. The extreme of their party still rule their view point. Politics requires moderating, debating, talking and working together. Both parties have hurt that problem in the last 20 years and now neither talk to each other. Even on this board you can feel the lines that have been drawn. During the Reagan years we never felt this level of animosity but now it drips from it. This is from the Clinton/Republican congress fights and further exasperated by this mix of politicians.

Fact is Americans want change, but it isn't just Bush's policies, its congresses too. We want them working together.
February 22, 2008

4:36 p.m.

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EastVail writes:

Rosen's hot daughters are voting for Obama!
February 22, 2008

9:26 p.m.

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Sean writes:

I remember on Feb. 5th I walked to the Democratic caucus for my precinct. On the way there, I passed the Republican caucus. The stench of defeat clung heavily in the air. The stench was similar to the stench of burnt tires that had been torched two days earlier. It was not overwhelming, but it was noticeable. I walked past the thin, dull crowd and I remarked to myself just how resigned to fate they all looked, like the condemned prisoner who just lost his last appeal. If it were not for the utter failures and incompetence of the President that they helped elect, I could have felt compassion for these Republicans. But as I thought of how low we as a nation have sunk under the leadership of the President that these people elected, any semblance of compassion I had for these people dissipated as quickly as Mike Huckabee's campaign cash. I stood in front of the Republican polling place soaking in the downcast mood of regret and failure and I could not turn away though I wanted to. Then I remembered that hope was just down the block and change was in the wind. I turned my back on the ignorance, stupidity and incompetence that was polluting the Republican caucus and went on to do my part to elect the next President of the United States and I headed to the Democratic caucus, which by the way had about 4 times the number of people.
February 23, 2008

12:43 a.m.

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TommyBoy writes:

80% don't want a continuation of WHICH Bush policies? If America is attacked, do they want the president to refuse to pursue the organization responsible? Do they want the Medicare drug benefit rescinded? Perhaps they would like the PATRIOT act repealed? Do they want the TSA disbanded? Do they want less government intrusion in their lives? Unfortunately, I fear that the majority of that 80% percent just want different outcomes and have no idea which policies will deliver them. This is why one should never pay too much attention to polls - the results are only as good as the respondents' UNDERSTANDING of the questions.
February 23, 2008

7:45 a.m.

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Oh_Wise_One writes:

Sean- great invectives. Let me simplify your spewage. "I vote Dhimmicrat yo cause I smart."
Wait and see, wait and see how smart you 'though' you were.
February 23, 2008

9:38 a.m.

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doctorfixit writes:

McCain is a collaborator with the liberal fascists. There is no question he will retaliate against conservatives if he is elected. He will install lib-fascist activist judges. He will continue his assault on the Constitution in the name of incumbency protection. He will appease lib-fascists on class warfare and on racial/ethnic cleansing of european culture and religion. He will throw the borders open and grant amnesty be executive order. The idea that he is the lesser of two evils is ludicrous. America has survived Civil War before and we can do it again. Let the Dimmhicrats run it into the ground and then rebuild - without the need of the fundamentalist religious bigots, without the need of the soft socialists, without the need of the military interventionists, the neo-cons, the internationalists, or the enviro-lunatics, all of whom support McAmnesty.
February 23, 2008

10:02 a.m.

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jack_carlson writes:

Jay, I am not particularly a fan of our current President Bush, but I suspect that future historians will consider his administration to be a successful one. Based on the three potential presidents that we are looking at right now, I can guarantee that sometime in the next four years, YOU will be looking back wistfully and longing for the "good ol days" of GWB. There is no question that the "change" that you and your vocal brethren want, will be change for the worse, not better.
February 23, 2008

10:16 a.m.

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Brain writes:

I don't like some of Bush's policies. The war and probably illegal immigration enforcement will not change if McCain gets elected and immigration enforcement will get worse with either of the other two. No matter which of the three gets elected there will be some change but they are not being elected to be KING. We will get higher tax rates with the two Democrats (which will lower tax revenue). I doubt none of these three will cut spending. The two Dems will try to implement “universal/socialist healthcare” and IF they succeed then the U.S. will see our freedoms destroyed (don’t get old or obese, just ask the Brits). I want change, we are headed too far to the left and all three candidates will take us closer to socialism just as our current president has. We will see in 3-4 years how good “change” really is.
February 23, 2008

10:20 a.m.

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Brain writes:

No Jack, jay will not EVER long for the GWB days, HE is too far to the left, I'm sure he didn't like Bush before he was elected?? jay can answer that himself.
February 23, 2008

10:36 a.m.

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greenleaf writes:

Speaking as an independent voter, both parties frustrate me, sometimes one at a time and sometimes concurrently. Regardless of that, my current frustration is with the Republican party. In the past I have voted for some fiscally conservative Republicans on the state level. The Republican party doesn't seem to understand the concept of smaller government, balanced budgets or how unpopular bridges to nowhere in Alaska really are. Combine that with an endless war with no plan to end it and the mean spiritedness and arrogance I have seen in so many Republican politicians as well as many posters to this forum. As a result it may be many years before this independent can vote for another Republican candidate.

Until (if) we can have a viable third party in this country, the 2 parties we have now need to find some sort of balance in their policies ( in other words: "meet in the middle!" ).

Republicans in this election year need to fear the Democrats far less than the wrath of the moderate independent voters you have totally abandoned!
February 23, 2008

11:59 a.m.

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malis writes:

Sincere congratulations Republicans--despite the best efforts of your worst representatives, you managed to nominate the only R who actually has a chance. As is so happens, I'm pretty satisfied with the way it's worked out so far. As Pat Shiplett put it in an editorial cartoon last week:

. . A woman...
. . an African American...
. . or a guy who won't torture people.
. . Not Bad.

I'm not crossing any of those three out yet and look forward to the probable McCain-Obama campaign before I make my final decision.

One method I use to judge people is to examine their opponents. Just as an exercise, go back and reread doctorfixit's posting (9:38 am). As a lesson, read it again. That someone who would write something like that, opposes McCain, is to McCain's eternal credit.

...shudder... just rereading that made me feel dirty. I need to go take a hot shower but I'll check back in this afternoon.
February 23, 2008

1:36 p.m.

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Sean writes:

The good old day of the Bush administration. I could see that thought fermenting, if four years from now, we are all living in a post-apocalyptic hell.
February 23, 2008

4:37 p.m.

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jay writes:

tandy's right...americans do what change in congress too...but they the change they want (and cause of the dismal approval ratings)isn't convenient to the republican cause. they want the republicans to stop obstructing initiatives and/or legislation with the support of the vast majority of americans.

furthermore, the dems aren't "in charge" of congress....obviously....if they were...we wouldn't have the afore mentioned problem now would we.
February 23, 2008

4:58 p.m.

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sinz52 writes:

Americans do want to see change--but the GOP is currently incapable of providing real change. Because its base does not want change.

Polls show that a majority of the GOP base, and a large majority of the Christian evangelicals who are the most reliable part of that base, still approve of the Bush Administration's performance. They regard Bush, as a pro-life born-again Christian, as a great Christian President and they don't want to see any changes from that. For them, McCain represents too much of a change as it is.

The GOP is in the same trap that the Democratic Party was in, back in 1968. Back then, the incumbent President, Lyndon Johnson, and his Vietnam War policies, were so unpopular with the public that the Democrats couldn't defend his track record--yet with mainstream Democrats committed to support their standard bearer Johnson, they couldn't formally break with him either.

The Democratic Party couldn't begin to rebuild itself until after Johnson was out of office. And the GOP won't be able to rebuild itself until after Bush is out of office in 2009, and party loyalty no longer demands fealty to Bush and his policies.

After 2009, the GOP has some tough decisions to make: With an increasingly diverse electorate, can they continue to cater to the nativists and evangelicals who make up their base without alienating that larger electorate? How can they appeal to young voters (who polls show are breaking heavily for Obama) while continuing to embrace the base's socially conservative opposition to abortion, marijuana, online Internet poker, and premarital sex?
February 23, 2008

6:05 p.m.

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jack_carlson writes:

Tbone, those things you described about the current administration (while somewhat exaggerated and subjective) will look like a church picnic compared to what lies ahead. Neither Obama or Hillary have a clue, and McCain is untrustworthy and possibly brain-damaged. Yes, you will long for the good ol days of GWB alot sooner than you expect!!!
February 23, 2008

9:14 p.m.

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l2rertee writes:

If you are not for Senator McCain, please vote for Governor Huckabee. This will give us a chance for a brokered convention. We will then have an opportunity to get a real conservative, even if it is not Governor Huckabee. Thanks.
February 24, 2008

12:13 a.m.

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maestrokenny writes:

We need a reality check here...

"Jay, I am not particularly a fan of our current President Bush, but I suspect that future historians will consider his administration to be a successful one."

So tell us about all his successes then. Why are you holding back? During the state of the union address, I was expecting GW to showcase all his crowning achievements. But it was more talk about the same subjects. Is all the debt this country owes to China to finance the Iraq war, is that one of his great accomplishments historians will look back on with nostalgia and fondness?

"Funny how the loons manage to ignore their own failures, while pointing fingers at others..... just like the morons that claim that polls show American's disliking Bush with his 38% approval rating..... while ignoring the Democrats far worse approval rating of 21%."

News flash for you... The democrats have only been in power for two years. Maybe people disapprove cause they have been so weak going after Bush and friends. Maybe because health care reform hasn't taken place yet. Medical bills are the biggest cause of bankruptcy in this country. So you think people are anxious to reelect Republicans to debate the importance of Christianity (which they recently did - maybe they will debate the importance of water and sunlight next), and of course the all important and pressing matter of flag burning. Oh and of course the GOP says $5.5 an hour is fine. Oh but no one makes that anyway. So if you think people want more of the republicans, you are out of your mind. I recently lost my job. I am young and healthy. To stay on my old health insurance under COBRA, it would be $500 a month. If you think there is no health care crisis, you are out of your mind.

Before McCain became the presumptive nominee, a big topic of GOP importance is who is the better Christian. I guess this will help our country be more competitive in the 21st century.

On the Sean Hannity Show, they played a clip with GW blaming the subprime crisis on the borrowers. He didn't use the exact word, but he called the borrowers stupid.

Also we actually already have government health care. What do you think medicare is? It is socialized medicine for old people. All the good GOP'er's hate socialism right? So how come none of them are wanting to get rid of medicare and forcing old people to buy private insurance? Because it is a popular program. This the republican bind. Everyone loves to bash government, but everyone wants more of it.

GW and the GOP bash the idea of "socialized medicine" since the government should not be involved with a patient and a doctor. Who the hell is he kidding!!! Insurance companies are very intimately involved now. If an insurance company does not want to cover something, a person could die. It is not ever just between a doctor and a patient. There will always be a third party involved.
February 24, 2008

6:16 a.m.

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dave22 writes:

Its funny how after most republicans leave office its always about "how that republican gave them a bad name". What a tired old story. Well get ready for the ride of your life "so called conservatives". You've heard of the Clinton machine, but you've never seen anything like the Obama machine. A million dollars a day in grassroots from the people not crooked lobbyists that Mccain is getting. And democrats havent even united yet. Wait till all the Clinton supporters jump on board. Also, democratic turnout is nearly twice as much as republican turnout. That is way more than enough needed to win the general in massacre fashion. You see, their isnt enough of you old time, back stabbing, dictatorship, crooked old geezers to fool everyone again. So go sit in your recliners turn on fox news, eat your 1955 ham sandwich and chips that mommy used to make you that you still eat, and start whining and complaining and trash talking Obama because thats the only thing you all know how to do. FACE IT PEOPLE, ITS OVER FOR MCCAIN. The man doesnt even know where hes at sometimes. Its going to be very funny seeing a rich old white geezer take a fall off the mantle.
February 24, 2008

11:43 a.m.

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raysmom writes:

Ok, now, dave22, honey, what did we tell you about doing drugs and posting? There, there, it will be all right. Just put down the crack pipe, log off of MOVEON.ORG, and go do some volunteer work. And I'm a Dem, so you can trust me- you will be a better person if you focus on something other than your anger issues, really. Good Luck!
February 24, 2008

7:33 p.m.

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iggypuppet writes:

"An Obama or Clinton presidency combined with Democratic control of Congress could do irreparable harm."

I doubt it could do any more or serious harm than 8 years of a Republican president and his party controlling Congress for 6 of the last 8 has done. The failure of Mr. Rosen as well as his kool aid drinking friends on the right to acknowledge the grotesque failures of this administration leads one to have difficulty lending any credence to the rest of their feeble ideology.
February 24, 2008

9:29 p.m.

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jay writes:

bigfoot...you've agreed with the bush administration's policy decisions "80% of the time"!?!?

do tell us why...i'm dying to hear this one. in fact...i would be interested in hearing an answer to this question from ANYONE considering casting a ballot for mccain
February 25, 2008

10:32 a.m.

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rdamurphy writes:

How could 80% of the people disagree with Bush's policies when they don't know what they are? I've yet to see one positive report from the Mainstream Media about Bush nor have I seen an article about his policies in any shape, manner, or form. We have, at this point of history, the most uninformed electorate in history due to the pointed effort of the left wing press to hide his accomplishments and bash the current Administration at all costs.

Even Democrats aren't immune, how many people actually believe Obama doesn't take money from lobbyists when in fact he takes money from law firms that have lobbyists working for them? How many people realize that Hillary's "universal healthcare" means that if you go to the hospital without buying your own insurance, you'll be fined? I have come to the conclusion, after 20 years of observing Democrats, their supporters, and the Clinton Administration, that in order to be a liberal in America, you must suspend disbelief, ignore logic, and believe anything you hear - as long as it comes from Left field.

Now, to those Liberals among us: Please, feel free to ignore any contrary information, logic, facts, or argument, and continue with your sarcastic, snide remarks that you somehow think makes you win any discussion you participate in.
February 25, 2008

12:45 p.m.

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John_II writes:

"again teddy...you're confused. 8 out of 10 americans don't want w's policies continued. nothing more, nothing less." -- jay

jay, you always get yourself lost in polls without thinking about their meaning.

I'm a conservative and you can count me in the change from Bush policies category.

But, from that poll, how do you know which policy (or policies) I want to change. A liberal may say she wants to withdraw troops from Iraq. I would say I want a wall along the Mexican border.

This does not mean that I want to change Bush's choice of judges, or his tax cuts, or decision to go to war or his brave stance against immoral human embryo research.

Yet again, you have managed to post irrelevant and meaningless FactsLite(tm) in a feeble attempt to support your own agenda.

By the way, other than critisizing Republicans, I have no idea what your agenda actually is. You only seem to communicate in robotic posting of FactsLite(tm) over and over again. Your posts are so repetitive that I sometimes wonder if you are a spambot.
February 25, 2008

1:50 p.m.

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maestrokenny writes:

A wall along the Mexican border? For the entire border?

That will not stop the flow of people. People will always get around and under it. People found ways of crossing the Berlin Wall. Rent the movie Night Crossing.

Fining people without health insurance? Oh my god! Are you aware we fine people without auto insurance all the time? Isn't that outrageous also?

GW Bush had the chance to outline and celebrate all his policies and achievements during his state of the union? But he did not.

I laugh at hearing about the liberal media. I turn on a.m. radio and can get republican talking points 24-7, across the dial. If George Bush has been so great for 7 years, we should not have to ask ourselves what he has accomplished.
February 25, 2008

2:32 p.m.

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John_II writes:

"That will not stop the flow of people. People will always get around and under it." -- maestrokenny

Well, that is a true statement and also a meaningless one. The question should not be "will" but "how many".
February 25, 2008

3:17 p.m.

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logic187x writes:

Most of the post here prove one thing above all else, repugnant-cans don't like personal responsibility, and are pretty bigoted people who would rather use the talking point of the day then just admit the last seven years have been a waste of time for our country. your man in the white house won't even admit he has made a mistake, his mother sucks at pr, his dad can't even be proud of a second term for his son because it was just as bad, cabinet members jumped ship on him in disgrace. and there were only terror threats when he needed to get re-elected!

You jerks put him back in and he still has nothing good to show for all his effort, he claims this is the most important war of our time and he sends less than 500,000....yeah it was the war of out time alright...I can't wait to see him go and I cant wait to see the looks on Rosen's punk face, and Hannity's crybaby (Terry Schiavo can see) Bill-o the rub down guy, Man-girl Coulture and. Rush limp-bauuuwwwa ha ha! And all the other in-the-closet bathroom stall chillen dudes! Repugnant-cans..What a joke, by the way that ain't a shot at gay people....thats just your party people once again in denial!

stings huh?

2008 a new damn dawn!
February 25, 2008

4:19 p.m.

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jay writes:

john you're refusing to acknowledge politically inconvenient facts again. 8 out of 10 americans don't want current republican policies continued...which is what mccain represents.

so....which of the republican policies of the last 7 years would you like to see continued as the successes they've been?
February 25, 2008

10:08 p.m.

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gwats writes:

Mike is a good representative of the conservative viewpoint and I enjoy his radio show about 400 times better than Mr. Fatbaugh or is it Lard-ashe? Perhaps Mr Hillbilly Heroin? You may not agree with Mr. Rosen, but he does get my respect.
February 27, 2008

11:37 a.m.

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jay writes:

I had a meeting in Aurora this morning. Got a chance to listen to mike pontificate about what he thought it means to be a "liberal" or a "progressive". funny stuff. a literal endless stream of misconceptions, misrepresentations and strawman arguments. the most amusing portion of the show was when the footsoldiers started calling in and dutifully spouting rushian talking points while mike murmured in agreement.

brilliant. great entertainment.
February 27, 2008

2:58 p.m.

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maestrokenny writes:

It is certainly not meaningless to point out that the wall will not eliminate illegal border crossing. The GOP keeps referring to the wall as a panacea. In other words, the wall will solve it all according to them. Like they also believe you can deport over 10 million people.

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ROSEN: Republicans in a pickle

By Mike Rosen, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)

Published February 22, 2008 at 12:05 a.m.

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