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Boy faces up to 'Nazi' taunt

German teen, dad weigh hate-crime suit over bullying

Published February 20, 2008 at 12:30 a.m.

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Adrian Ulm, 14, an eighth-grader at West Middle School, and his father, Heinz, talk about the bullying that Adrian has endured. They moved to the United States from Germany in 2005, and school bullies have called them Nazis.

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Adrian Ulm, 14, an eighth-grader at West Middle School, and his father, Heinz, talk about the bullying that Adrian has endured. They moved to the United States from Germany in 2005, and school bullies have called them Nazis.

Many would say Adrian Ulm has more seasoned tastes than the average teenager. He likes the Beatles, Broadway musicals - and even his dad.

Since moving here from Germany, the eighth-grader has learned English virtually from scratch and already has started looking ahead to a career as a professional actor.

But right now, he's exposed to a more painful side of public life: He has become the target of bullies at West Middle School in Greenwood Village.

Adrian and his father talked about the harassment Tuesday in their Centennial home.

"They've asked, 'Is your dad a Nazi? Did he ever shake Hitler's hand?' " said Adrian, 14, who lives with his father, Heinz, the owner of an information technology company.

The two came to America in 2005. Heinz Ulm said he has full custody of Adrian, whose mother remains in Germany.

Adrian said he has lots of school friends and only "two handfuls" of enemies. But those two handfuls make life hard. Every day when he wakes up, "I try to stay positive," he said. "But I wonder what's going to happen and if they'll call me a Nazi today."

In November, the harassment escalated to a fight with a boy who, until two years ago, was his friend, Adrian said. Adrian sustained a broken collarbone and other injuries. The medical bills came to nearly $2,000, his father said.

Gregg McReynolds, attorney for the Ulms, said the family is considering a lawsuit that would invoke the traditional bodily injury statute and also a suit for punitive damages using newer hate- crimes legislation.

All of this is taken seriously by Cherry Creek Schools, which is known as a leader in developing programs to combat bullying.

The student involved in the November fight was expelled, school district spokeswoman Tustin Amole said. The district and Ulm's attorney agree Adrian bears some responsibility because he went to the site of the fight intending to confront the other boy.

A rumor that the expelled boy is returning to school is unfounded, said Amole, who added that the student hasn't submitted paperwork to be considered for a return.

Four other boys who taunted Adrian as recently as last week also have been ordered to sign "contracts" promising not to have any contact with Adrian, Amole said.

Time was lost in solving the harassment problem because Adrian stopped reporting ongoing incidents, Adrian's father said.

"I didn't tell partly because people started to make fun of my dad," Adrian said. "I didn't want to hurt his feelings." He said his father was jeered at for his "belly" and dental plate.

"Maybe I made a mistake," Heinz Ulm interjected. "I told him - 'Ah, it's crap, ignore it.' That's when he started to digest it inside himself."

Heinz Ulm said he has been in contact with the family of the boy involved in the November incident and would have considered settling for $5,000, mostly to cover medical bills and attorney's costs.

But since the harassment incidents of last week, he is considering legal action again.

"I'm not trying to sue for $40 million," he said. "I want public awareness. I want parents to talk to their kids. Maybe they don't know what their kids are doing."

For his part, Adrian has agreed to report each incident to the school district - while he tries to move ahead.

"I'm trying to think of the good stuff," he said. "About how many good friends I have, what a great dad I have and how many people are on my side."

torkelsonj@RockyMountainNews.com or 303-954-5055

Comments

  • February 20, 2008

    5:33 a.m.

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    delidude writes:

    I so sorry to see this, I was a bully in school and have regretted it ever since, I am so sorry to all I pushed around, I am so ashamed.

  • February 20, 2008

    7:31 a.m.

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    T1anda writes:

    I don't understand why kids/people can be so cruel. All schools K-12 should have a zero tolerance policy against bully teachers and bully kids!!

  • February 20, 2008

    7:32 a.m.

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    vudumom writes:

    I have known family members who have been bullied in schools a few years back.One was sexually harassed,inappropiately touched on her breasts and rear end.When her mother went to school officials they said ,we have had many problems with this kid before doing this. We think it would be better for your daughter to move to a different school.They transferred her.
    The 2nd case a niece was brutally beat up by a well known girl bully in school.The police were called and the girl had 2 outstanding assault complaints against her.She beat her face up pretty bad and my niece had to cancel a modeling photo shoot trip to California she had planned for the upcomming weekend.
    The bully was well known by school officials and police.The schools response was to ask my niece to transfer to another school.
    This goes on all the time.One of my children was continually bullied in 1st grade and hit and smacked etc..at recess.She kept going to the playground monitor and complaining,but all she would do is tell the kid to say your sorry.Incident reports are supposed to be made in cases like this,but were not being done.Finally I went to the school and told them if they did not protect my daughter from this kid and follow school policies we would have no choice but to file a lawsuit.
    School officials did take action and solved the problem.I now make sure they are following school policies by writing incident reports on children that are being bullied or assaulted at school.
    I reminded them this year that they better stick to the policies that are put in place to protect all children from being bullied at school.I told them I would hold them to their rules and regulations they put in place.

  • February 20, 2008

    7:35 a.m.

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    DahmersCookbook writes:

    If you look closely the modern Nazi wears plad and sports a bowl-cut, hmm, interesting.

  • February 20, 2008

    7:36 a.m.

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    dilligaf writes:

    This kind of thing has been around for years. Problem is this treatment has been a part of our way of life and hate is passed down from generation to generation. Now what is next is every muslum will get this treatment for years. We then have the gall to ask, "Why do they hate us so much"? Adrian all I can say is welcome to our country and there is alot of good people here and the ones you have trouble with is a product of bad up bring.

  • February 20, 2008

    7:44 a.m.

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    T1anda writes:

    Hmmm..... my hairy little dog wears plaid and has a bowl haircut. I guess ignorance is bliss isn't it Cookbook???

  • February 20, 2008

    7:52 a.m.

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    T1anda writes:

    Lighten up Grunt, or you will blow a gasket. You poor thing!

  • February 20, 2008

    8:16 a.m.

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    T1anda writes:

    It's unfortunate that you were born in the 20th century Grunt, you would have excelled as a Spartan!

    Well.......maybe.

  • February 20, 2008

    8:24 a.m.

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    hdfresh writes:

    This guy is going to get picked on more now that this article came out. What he needs to do is stand up to these bullies. The reason why bullies continue the harrassment is that these kids don't do anything and take it. Most bullies are cowards as the saying goes. So this kid needs to take pride in his German roots and kick some a$$.

  • February 20, 2008

    8:25 a.m.

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    AustrianNoble writes:

    Wo ist das Bezirksgericht Rechtsanwalt und warum ist er nicht prosicuting diesem Fall als Hassverbrechen, sie würden, wenn der Junge war mexikanische, arabische, oder Jude.

    Im Namen der österreichischen und der deutschen Adligen, die fliehen mussten ihre Heimat Ich appelliere an die US-Regierung zu untersuchen, was dies für ihn ist ... Ein Hassverbrechen

    This is a translation of above

    Where is the District Attorney and why is he not prosicuting this case as a hate crime, they would if the boy was Mexican, Arab, or Jew.

    On the behalf of the Austrian and German nobles who had to flee their native country I call on the US Government to investigate this for what it is ... A HATE CRIME

  • February 20, 2008

    8:37 a.m.

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    dilligaf writes:

    Hey grunt is your real name BIF? You sound like a real tough guy. You are the typical bully that has to go around trying to prove how tough you are when you are really a wimp.

  • February 20, 2008

    8:52 a.m.

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    DahmersCookbook writes:

    I'll gey you McFly!

  • February 20, 2008

    8:54 a.m.

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    Kslayer writes:

    MarineGrunt, I agree with you Brother! You speak the truth. We baby kids way to much. Always trying to make everything fair. Don't want to have any hurt feelings. Guess what! Life is completely unfair. These kids arn't going to know how to deal with it when they get into the real world. We are all in for trouble when the youth of today are running things.

  • February 20, 2008

    9:08 a.m.

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    Eric writes:

    Ding Ding! Larry and Grunt....flagepole...afterschool. My money is on Grunt.

  • February 20, 2008

    9:18 a.m.

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    T1anda writes:

    OMG I think Gene has exposed herself!

    If some of you read the article you will see that the kid DID meet up with the bully!!! According to the family attorney..... "Adrian bears some responsibility because he went to the site of the fight intending to confront the boy" What else would you bad a**es out there suggest that Adrian do????....Bring a gun???

  • February 20, 2008

    9:45 a.m.

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    Eric writes:

    bring a gun!!??? no!no!no! Bring an oriental friend....they usually know Karate or can pretend to be a ninja and scare people away.

  • February 20, 2008

    10:03 a.m.

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    Meatwallet writes:

    Kids are way too coddled these days. You can't always react with violence but sometimes it's the best way. Smack the bully in the teeth and see if he opens his mouth again, if he does smack him again. Also bring a ninja.

  • February 20, 2008

    10:43 a.m.

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    vudumom writes:

    I'm trying to teach my girls how to fight.First with words ,not I want to be your friend words,and then teaching them how to fight,like punch some kids lights out.
    However the great American Public School System is undermining my responsibilities as a parent to teach my kids how to defend themselves.Their way is to allow the bullies to continue bullying you while you are supposed to negotiate with them.All the while proclaiming they will not tolerate bullyig in the schools.

    This is wrong and too PC for me. If my children are threatened or hit I have instructed them to haul off and punch the person in the face . Kids have every right to defend themselves and learn how to beat the crap out of some kid who thinks they can make their lives miserable because mommy and daddy didn't buy him the latest XBox game or their parents just got a divorce.

    I told my children don't worry if they get suspended,they have every right to defend themselves.I've also taught them something very important that my mother taught me growing up.

    Never start a fight,always make sure you end it.

  • February 20, 2008

    10:55 a.m.

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    kmeissner writes:

    Marinegrunt is an idiot!!!! You were labeled as a "bully" and you come right back and label T1anda as someone who is 30 or 40 and lives in their parents basement. Talk about being a hypocrit. You are the one who added nothing to this conversation. The kid DID fight the bullies and stood up for himself. Just because Marines use guns doesn't mean high school kids should. MORON!!!!

  • February 20, 2008

    11:35 a.m.

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    Downey1967 writes:

    This is for all of those whom have posted about this story, and have shown very little or no empathy what so ever. Before, you start degrading and cutting others down. Take a good long look at yourselves, and read what you have been posting on here. Your no different than what these kids have been doing to this young man that is in middle school. The only difference is, that your an adult, and they are still children.
    People wonder where kids come up with stuff to say, and their actions of being mean? It all starts in the home, and they have two role models, who are always ( in most cases even to each other ) talking about this person, or that person in a cruel manner. Parents, whether they want to believe it or not. Your kids copy what you do, and what you say. If the hubby is mean to the wife? you can be rest assured the child will see or hear this, and he or she will do the same thing to another. Kids in general have very impressional minds, and they absorb everything they see and hear. Whether what they see and hear is right or wrong, they still take this into account. Furthermore, they see and hear mommy, and daddy acting out, or hear them voicing their comments. Then they figure it is alright to do the same, since their mother and father said or did this or that. There is only one to blame, and it is the PARENTS. Children are around their parents a whole lot more than their friends, and alot of kids want to be just like mom or dad and they emmulate their parents words, and actions more times than not.

    Those of you that have resorted to name calling on this site. This isn't really at all necessary, or called for. Calling another a Moron, or some other name is only a mere way of showing that your unable to convey your message in a positive and constructive manner. Is this what society has come down to? those of you are still living in your middle school years? Does your vocabulary, and attitude adjust to the subject of the story?
    It's very obvious that guns in a school don't mix, and whomever wrote a comment about introducing them was only wrting this to get a rise out of others. History has shown that ( Columbine High School ) making fun of, and calling a student(s) names can and does create alot of hurt feelings, as it also does the same in adults young or old.

    It shouldn't be up to the School District to Discipline a student for a problem that was created in the home.

  • February 20, 2008

    11:37 a.m.

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    jibbons writes:

    MarineGrunt, maybe T1anda assumed you were a bully growing up because you are bullying people here, now. Maybe you are just trying to be cute, but you come across as an ignorant hate monger. Such behavior only serves to tarnish the uniform so many patriots have worn before you.

    I am sorry you feel like you need to educate all of us about how to raise a kid by letting the other kids torment them, but that is a short sighted parenting technique. All it got the young boy in question was a broken collarbone and day to day torment from the other students for no other reason than his ancestry.

    What about the kids who are bullying the German boy. What would the school be teaching them if they just let it keep on as it has been? They would be teaching them that in social situations they should identify the weakest individual and berate them to elevate their social status. That is how you survive in prison (and maybe the marines for all I know), not how you survive in our society. If these kids keep acting like this, who's collarbone will they break next week? Is it a good enough excuse to say that the victim should have simply defended themselves?

    For all of your tantrums about people feeling bad for the German kid because they identify with him, you also have no understanding for the person at the beginning of the post who apologized for doing the same as a child. Is it fair to say that your solution to the problem is to pretend that their is no problem, or that the problem is the solution.

    The real issue here is, we pay taxes to have a public school system for all of our kids, and those kids should be free to attend school without being tormented. People like you are no different than the noose waving rascists of Jena, LA, or the rascists of the civil rights era who would scream hatred at black students only asking for the right to learn.

    I know you will not understand this, and that you will probably just make fun of my testicles, but you are only proving my point that supporting ignorance and hatred only breeds more ignorance and hatred.

  • February 20, 2008

    11:40 a.m.

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    Theoldguy writes:

    All of this is taken seriously by Cherry Creek Schools, which is known as a leader in developing programs to combat bullying.

    Well, Mr. Ulm, welcome to America where you too can win at "Life's Lotto". Better have a good talk with a great lawyer. $40 million is too little an amount. I'd go for enough to make then have to sell off school property and have to bus the little kiddies to Denver. Now that would be a humbling experience not only for the kiddies but but also for the parents that bred those little tykes. Hey, think of all the money they'd save not having to drive around the 'burbs.

  • February 20, 2008

    12:40 p.m.

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    vudumom writes:

    Downey1967,Your somewhat right about it being a parenting problem.Where I differ from you is most kids see less of their parents than you think.With all the 2 parent working households,single parents,divorced and step parents,TV,Video Games,very little supervision at that age in particular,and the general breakdown of the family unit,parents are raising a future generation of not very bright children.The moral decay of society is getting worse.Twenty years ago did we have kids walking into schools and mass murdering,shooting teachers and just causing chaos in our schools,weekly?
    These are the face of children growing up today.
    Parents are so busy with their lives they don't have time for their kids,especially once they reach middle school.It seems that todays parents think that once a kid gets into middle school they are self sufficient,mature enough to take care of themselves,require little supervision,( they need their space)is reasoning for this.These are the critical years where these kids need guidance and discipline.Left to their own devices they will run with the pack,so to speak.The parents today seem to have a hands off approach to parenting.I don't mean you have to spank them,because I am against that.I mean letting them be too much alone with their friends and not having the parents spend more time as a family except maybe vacations.
    Parenting requires a 24/7 committment,not a let them have their space committment.It is not working.

  • February 20, 2008

    1:06 p.m.

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    Theoldguy writes:

    vudumom

    Yup, your right. The constant consuming of the parents have taught their kids that comfort can be bought. Add to that the need for both spouses to work to attempt to fulfill that need and the kids become parasitic. The underlying message to the kids is that they are the cause of the problem when in fact it is the parents that brought it upon themselves. The so called "good old days" were a time when things were somewhat more manageable financially than they are now. A good case in point is that my mom did her 1040 form on one sheet of paper in about a half hour. Now that we have become a more complex society due to the perpetual need to cross tee's and dot i's most parents are at their wits end and let their kids "have their space". But inflation has screwed up all our plans and this is what is due the piper. The appaulling lack of politeness and courtesy that is prevalent in our society goes beyond belief.
    Adrian may have been teased in Germany, but he grew up with that and I'm sure his parents thought that he'd have a better go at it here. Ah, but we have laws! And as a true immigrant he needs to benefit from our lack of intelligence as witnessed in out kids. Ask any teacher. Or Trustin Amole...her daddy was Gene Amole who had a very strong sense of social justice that I admired. Heck, Gene impressed me the first time I met him.

  • February 20, 2008

    2:07 p.m.

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    aeb1barfo writes:

    Adrian: Du hast an AMERIKKKANISCHES WILLKOMEN hier.

    We breed more pond scum ( AKA lawyers ) here. Now you know why.

    School Districts talk the talk but don't walk the walk. I've dealt with Jeffco with a similar problem BEFORE Columbine and they just gave a " wink and a nod " to the problems with bullies..

    They still did AFTER Columbine too. The only thing that gets attention is a LAWSUIT.

    Cherry Creek SD had a similar JOCK bullying problem shortly after Columbine. They pledged to eliminate the problem then too.

    To the Neanderthals that still advocate using force: Read THE BOOK STARSHIP TROOPERS by RA Heinlein ( you CAN read, right? ). It has a good discussion on the proper use of force and when to use it.

    Brandishing your fists may be a good show of force, but it is no good against a MACHINE GUN...

    I can finish a fight....but YOU might not like the results...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_a...

  • February 20, 2008

    2:58 p.m.

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    FIDOS writes:

    Since when does a pudgy Kraut get to whine to the media about name calling at school? He agreed to fight. He lost and the other kid got expelled. I think the school should have expelled both kids for fighting. Isn't that their policy?
    And I don't see a problem with a fair fist fight. It's a good lesson for every kid to learn.
    There is always someone bigger than you acting rudely. You still need to control yourself and follow the rules; in the very least properly weigh up your opponent before flying off and fighting.
    I could care less what the other kid said about him or his dad. He needs to learn to deal with his problems himself and realize he is a part of his issue. How sad for him that he isn't learning anything important from his experience since his Dad and the school are taking all the responsibility and leaving him as the victim. Are we sure he isn't French?

  • February 20, 2008

    3:49 p.m.

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    fiesty writes:

    Last time I checked, the following were still crimes: assault, theft, harassment, and hate-crimes.
    1. So why do some of you ignorant posters believe this child is not entitled to the protection of the law?
    2. Why do you believe YOU are entitled to a safe environment and he is not?
    3. Why can't you realize that there is a difference between bullying and assault?

    While waiting for answers to the above, a few observations:
    1. FIDOS- by your own prejudiced comment, you have ruined whatever point you were trying to make.
    2. MarineGrunt- your comments are an insult to the corps. You ought to be ashamed. I'm a disabled vet, and your comments are an affront to all military (active or non). I'm not surprised you think what happened to this boy is okay; after all, you sound like a 12-yr old bully yourself.
    3. hdfresh- if you read the article, he DID stand up to them. See the pictures of the result??
    4. jdub88- just like FIDOS, the fact that you exposed yourself as a neo-nazi in the other blog invalidates any point you might have. Your hate and prejudice will "color" any comment you make.

  • February 20, 2008

    4:38 p.m.

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    Downey1967 writes:

    Granted most parents seem to think they have lives to live. The only living they really should be doing is teaching their children to be honest, respectable, law abiding citizens. They also should think of things that they can do that involves their children, and get them off and away from the computer, video games, and take their cell phones away from them. Give them a phone with minimal minutes on the phone, and use it for cases of emergencies only. Until after those children (that they decided to bring into this world) are 18 years of age or older and out of the home. The parent shouldn't be concerned with a life except going to work, putting food on the table, and putting clothes on their children. NO ONE forced them to have children, but yet there are others in society that have to deal with rude, and inconsiderate children of parents that think everyone else should raise their kids.
    It's not rocket science, and furthermore this wasn't ever a problem when I was growing up. But, then again there was a much greater sense of core values when I was a kid.
    Is this the dilemma that we all have to read about, and watch on the news about how someone elses kids are spouting off at the mouth with hate obscenities towards another child. Is this the cause from kids having kids?

  • February 20, 2008

    4:57 p.m.

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    mandoboy writes:

    I was born in Germany. My Father was a German National, and my Mother was a U.S. Citizen. Dad became a U.S. citizen in 1963. I came over on a steamship in 1959 when I was 2 years old. My family lived in Kansas City Mo. for the next 13 years, then we moved to Colorado. I was hassled too, and called a Nazi in both grade school and junior high. But as I've gotten older, I figure that I couldn't expect much different from Missouri hillbillies, that had family trees that didn't fork much....

  • February 21, 2008

    12:14 a.m.

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    MollysDad writes:

    MarineChump,

    You are an embarassment to the Corps. Are you actually even a member? Lord help us all if you actually are. I say that because of your blatant display of ignornace. First, do you not know the difference between "their" and "there"? For your simple little pea brain I will explain the first "their" denotes ownership, the second "there" typically denotes a location such as MarineChump has very little to no brains up there. (Imagine that I am pointing to that empty vessel that you refer to as your head.) Secondly, how often we forget about two young men that were picked on repeatedly and what they did. MarineChump you don't think!! This kid does not have one bully picking on him but several. As a result he's supposed to kick all of their asses? This is a stupid and ignorant society which still beleives that violence can solve problems. Violence begets violence. MarineChump let's say that little kid pops one of those bullies in the mouth. One week later that bully is then going to seek retaliation. It's very similar to the premise of invading a country where you're not wanted and then dealing with the retaliation for years to come. MarineChump stay in the Corps and get you some fine free learning. Who knows if you're real nice they might even teach you to cypher like Jethro Bodine on the Beverly Hillbillies. Moroon!

  • February 21, 2008

    7:30 a.m.

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    Heidi writes:

    jdub,
    I told you that you would not lose that style!

  • February 21, 2008

    8:10 a.m.

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    Heidi writes:

    jdub,
    It looks as though you don't have to stir the pot today. No one pays attention to your silly little remarks. There is a different battle going on and someone is going to explode.
    btw...what is a moroon?

  • February 21, 2008

    8:45 a.m.

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    fiesty writes:

    MarineGrunt-

    Yes, I HAVE read your posts. You have consistently 1) characterized the child as a whiner, 2) the parents as a “mommy and daddy” trying to keep their "poor little baby" from any "hurt feelings", 3) the situation only qualified as bullying and nothing serious, and 4) that the child should have been stronger in handling the situation. Neither of these attitudes are accurate! Objecting to assault and theft is not whining, those actions are far beyond simple bullying, and the child DID try to stand up to the bullies (which ended up with a broken collarbone and other injuries!). Here, let's refresh YOU on several of your comments:

    Whining/hurt feelings attitude:
    - “Now we have a kid who is crying, not as loud as his BonBon murdering mother, and it makes a news story?” [20 Feb @ 0740]
    - “Why is it that all these parents think there special little snowflake is too good to be made fun of?” [20 Feb @ 0740]
    - “Crying when anyone's poor little feelers are hurt.” [20 Feb @ 0803]
    - “You know who else was coddled as a kid” [20 Feb @ 0803]
    - “Please continue to shelter them, make sure they never lose, have great self esteem.” [20 Feb @ 1448]

    Bullying is nothing serious, and to be expected attitude:
    - “it makes a news story?” [20 Feb @ 0740]
    - “Kids are cruel. No other way around it!“ [20 Feb @ 0740]

    Child should have been stronger attitude:
    - “Again, reach down and grab hold!!!” [20 Feb @ 0740]
    - “Or I could raise a child that is weak and stupid that continues this cycle of Stupidity!!!” [20 Feb @ 0803]
    - “Don't help the kid out by teaching me how to 'roll with it', make a huge ordeal about it.” [20 Feb @ 0803]
    - “Teach your kids some internal fortitude and life skills!!! [20 Feb @ 0803]

    What I find interesting is your comments about “Asking folks to stop being so wishy washing and take some responsibility in a rough manner.” [20 Feb @ 1448] and “Please continue to foster a environment of weak willed and 'take no responsibility' in this Country!” [21 Feb @ 0801] Yet why doesn’t that apply to both the students assaulting and stealing from this kid, as well as the school???

    Oh, btw, I am a female, and in a wheelchair as the result of my military service, so I doubt I qualify as a “weak-willed nanny”. Your comment about towards me, “coddles and makes sure your little feelers weren't hurt”, is the same as your view on this whole subject. Per your comments, I GUESS A CHILD WHO DOESN’T WANT TO BE ASSAULTED (TO THE DEGREE BONES ARE BROKEN) MUST BE “WEAK”, NOT WANTING TO BE STOLEN FROM INSTEAD NEEDS TO LEARN TO “ROLL WITH IT”, AND NOT WANTING TO BE A TARGET FOR HARASSMENT IS BEING “CODDLED”. Ridiculous!

    God, I hope you don’t have kids with that mentality!

  • February 21, 2008

    8:57 a.m.

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    fiesty writes:

    btw, you really need to learn the difference between kids being mean kids and true harassment.

    Let me give you an example. My 11-yr old son got called "gay", because he'd rather play drums in band, than go play football. He came home in tears. Rather than get all upset and go barging to the school, I understood that kids are mean sometimes, and simply talked to him about the comment being one born of hate and prejudice. However, several weeks later, this same insulting kid (who is three grades above him and about 50 lbs bigger) decided to physically assault my son, along with 2 of his friends. They kicked him from behind in the back (a surprise attack), knocked him to the ground, and proceeded to kick/hit him. They also destroyed his $500 band kit. Now, my son isn't "weak", he's taking karate, but he was both outnumbered and outweighed. Fortunately, unlike the kid in this story, nothing was broken. However, you bet your butt I contacted the school so the parents of these children could be contacted, to force them and the assailants to be held accountable/responsible for their actions. Turns out the troublemaker has assualted other children more than once, and the parents don't care, so we were advised to file a police report. This situation scarcely qualifies as being "weak", "wishy washy", "roll with it", etc. Neither does the situation with the boy in this story.

  • February 21, 2008

    9:45 a.m.

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    fiesty writes:

    MarineGrunt- a broken collarbone goes FAR beyond simply being "picked on"... nor does wanting the perpetrators to accept responsibility for it qualify as relying on "mommy and daddy to take care of them".

    Let's turn this around. A gang of kids at school start teasing your daughter about being a "baby killer's brat". She tries to ignore them, so they begin to stealing her stuff, including her new $100 cell phone. She tries to take care of it herself, by agreeing to face them. They jump her, several on just one. Despite fighting back, they break her collarbone, give her a black eye, bruises, and hurt her so bad that the medical bills come up to $2,000.

    Now, are you honestly going to tell me that you wouldn't be upset? That you wouldn't consider doing something about it? That you would sit there and tell her she needs to not "whine and complain" about this treatment?

  • February 21, 2008

    9:50 a.m.

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    fiesty writes:

    "Do I think this kids parents are weak and taught him these skills? YES."

    Based on what??? The kid tried to ignore them and their taunts, so they escalated to stealing, so he then agreed to face them. Let's see, he showed mature behavior in ignoring them rather than whine about it, and then he attempted to resolve the problem by facing them rather than go crying to momma and papa. It was only after he was beaten up so badly that he and his father complained. How is this WEAK???

  • February 21, 2008

    10:17 a.m.

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    fiesty writes:

    It's not just about being beaten up, but being targeted because of your ancestry. That's the definition of a hate crime. You don't think that prejudice, intolerance, and hate should be challenged? They NEEDED to go public, to help raise public awareness, and help prevent it from happening to someone else. I fought for the land of the brave and free, not the land of the bigoted and prejudiced. We all have the responsibility to make America the best we can.

  • February 21, 2008

    1:16 p.m.

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    MollysDad writes:

    Grunt,

    Refer to someone as a douche and then you're getting all "butt hurt" about being referred to as a chump. Get over it grab your sack and roll with it. Why are you whinning? Boo Hoo!, my name's Grunt I can dish it out but I can't take it. Boo Hoo! I seem to have struck a nerve with that feeble mind of yours... great!! I want to straighten a few things out. I may be a veteran or I may work for the Veteran Administration. You may want to consider applying a small amount of discretion to your future uneducated ramblings. I was totally impressed with your deliberate misuse of words and misspellings. What a fantastic way for you to mask your ignorance. It appears that you may think you're as smart as the last report you've read. Did you get the one published by this guy named George where it talked about weapons of mass destruction? No? It was great! It was also proven to be false. I see you catching on to how the government works Grunt. If it's in a report it's got to be true. So the report on Columbine is just that a report. I'm more apt to beleive the kids who attended the school who stated that Eric and Dylan were picked upon and ridiculed. My mind is so much stronger than yours. I do not think that the U.S. is so great that we can do whatever we choose to do. This is called a world view. Grunt, please get some education and then come back here. Also please refer to the U.S. constitution, te very thing that you are trying to justify, discrimination, is one of the things that our forefathers wanted to make sure did not exist. Grunt, you're all about sweeping something under the rug because it doesn't directly effect you.

  • February 21, 2008

    2:40 p.m.

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    MollysDad writes:

    Grunt,

    It must be pointed out that the majority of unresolved issues with children have to do with the way a child was raised. That does not include being the victim of a hate crime. Keeping that in mind, realize that neither intelligence or class can be taught. These are gifts that are bestowed upon you by your parents. If you were to take some time and conduct some valuable introspection I believe that you will find htat your parent failed you in these two areas. Intelligence and class very much like clues cannot be bought. I intentionally misspelled somme words in my previous entry to make you feel at home.