'Asians hate' column ignites firestorm at CU
By Heath Urie, Daily Camera
Published February 20, 2008 at 6:01 a.m.
Updated February 20, 2008 at 12:07 p.m.
BOULDER — A column penned this week by a University of Colorado student has divided some past and present members of the Campus Press -- the official student newspaper at CU -- and enraged other students for what some said is a racist and inflammatory commentary about people of Asian ethnicity.
The column, titled "If it's war the Asians want ... It's war they'll get," was written by Max Karson, a staff editor at the Campus Press.
Administrators in November 2006 investigated Karson because of a satirical newsletter he circulated called "The Yeti," which angered some students and faculty members for writings that included columns about how women are not designed to enjoy sex and that he is "afraid of black people."
Ron Stump, CU's vice chancellor for student affairs, said then that the newsletter was protected free speech, and the school didn't punish Karson.
Then, last year, Karson was arrested and suspended after classmates reported that he said he was "angry enough to kill" during a heated discussion about the Virginia Tech shootings.
Published on the newspaper's Web site Monday, Karson's piece begins that he's noticed "some tension between the white students and the Asian students" at CU in the past year.
"There's never any outright conflict, but I notice little things," Karson wrote. "Like, Asians always seem surprised whenever I talk to them."
The author describes an incident at the CU Recreation Center in which "an Asian" apparently was confused about which racquetball court an errant ball belonged to.
"The Asian was so jaded by his experiences with the whitebread, brainless tree sloths of CU that even though three people had explained to him that he was trying to return the ball to the wrong court, it was inconceivable to him that we might be right," Karson wrote. "And when he looked into my eyes, it wasn't just irritation and disgust that I saw -- it was hate. Pure hate.
"They hate us all. And I say it's time we started hating them back."
The article, which appears in the opinion section of the paper's Web site, appears to be satirical but contains no editor's note or other explanation about its content.
Karson's article angered Pasha Minallah, a 27-year-old junior music major at CU and member of the South Asian Student Association.
"I just can't believe it," Minallah said. "It's stereotypes left and right. It's hard to believe that people think this way."
He said Karson's charge that all Asians hate white people is outlandish, even as a joke.
"I don't get it," Minallah said. "This person isn't very comfortable with the way he sees minority students in general and wishes they would be different -- wishes they would be more like himself."
Karson on Tuesday said he "can't talk about" his column and declined to say why.
Campus Press editor-in-chief Cassie Hewlings and faculty adviser Amy Herdy also declined to comment Tuesday about Karson's column, although both women posted messages on the Campus Press Web site defending attacks on the paper from three former Campus Press editors who criticized the decision to run the article.
In a call to the Rocky this morning, Herdy took issue with the Camera's original story, saying Karson's piece was an opinion column and not an editorial approved by the editorial board. She also rejected the notion that the present staff is divided on the column.
Stephanie Clary, who butted heads with the paper's administration over a proposed name change in 2006, was among the former editors critical of the column. Herdy said Clary "did not run the paper" from 2004 to 2006, as reported in the Camera.
Clary told the Camera on Tuesday that she agrees Karson has a First Amendment right to "say what he wants" but questioned why the piece was allowed to run with such a vitriolic tone.
"Yes, you're entitled to free speech, but free speech comes with responsibilities," Clary said. "As a student journalist, I think that needs to be taken into consideration, and I wonder if it was."
Hewlings responded to critics online.
"Thank you so much for pointing directly to yourselves as the absolute enemy of the very core of journalism as you advocate for self-censorship and prior restraint," Hewlings wrote. "There is news judgement when offering commentary on a very real phenomenon on this campus and I stand by my decision."
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February 20, 2008
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Michael writes:
"Yes, you're entitled to free speech, but free speech comes with responsibilities," Clary said. "As a student journalist, I think that needs to be taken into consideration, and I wonder if it was."
This is a fine sentiment and I congratulate Ms. Clary for offering it up for public consumption. I would ask this of her and many college "journalists", does this same standard apply when writing about or referencing President Bush, VP Cheney, the US Armed Forces, Republicans, conservatives, Christians, etc.? I have read some nasty things about all of these topics over the last 5 years and much of it comes from university papers and generally left leaning colleges (CU, CSU included). I have never heard a comment like this tying the right of "free speech" with the "responsibility" that accompanies it.
February 20, 2008
6:25 a.m.
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jmkratt writes:
Yep, CU in the news again with another terrific story!
February 20, 2008
6:32 a.m.
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Oh_Wise_One writes:
Michael, you are the correct. I have noticed the phrase "personal responsiblity" creeping into the liberal mindset. If this is the "change" that the Obamessiah is preaching, then maybe it will catch on with the Dems.
February 20, 2008
6:51 a.m.
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vudumom writes:
Michael,Of course free speech comes with responsibilities.Except like you pointed out when it attacks and calls names against someone or something the liberal left doesn't like.
I have seen a pattern over the last few years of liberals shouting ,FREE SPEECH! Except when they don't agree with someone else's free speech.Then the left want's people fired,digraced,shouted down and to shut up.
What bothers me the most is how groups of people have their own separate organizations and segregate and divide themselves from the rest of the population.
The South Asian Student Association?I'm sure there is one for blacks,hispanics,and other ethnic groups.
However if there was ever a White Student Association,White American Association,Irish Student Association,Native Coloradoans Association,etc...They would be labeled racist.
Why do people separate themselves then become surprised when they are singled out?
February 20, 2008
7:02 a.m.
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Graf_Spee writes:
"Karson's article angered Pasha Minallah, a 27-year-old junior music major at CU and member of the South Asian Student Association."
Wait. She (or he)'s 27 and still a college junior?? Pathetic.
Karson is so right.
February 20, 2008
7:03 a.m.
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Roninacreage writes:
It's amazing the depth of hypocrisy at CU. The biggest hater at CU was actually on their payroll. A cretin by the name of Ward Churchill. Only when confronted with plaigerism charges, did CU take action against his routine tirades of hate spewing venom. As long as his target was white people, it was open season on them as far as CU was concerned.
It's obvious the leftist that dominate the CU campus despise free speech. Hate speech is always welcome by the left, when the target meets their criteria.
February 20, 2008
7:05 a.m.
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DahmersCookbook writes:
The asian Max encountered in the racquetball court was one that was imported to absorb American culture to take back to his native asian homeland. The asian was probably instructed to "Watch how these primitive creatures interact". If you've met the imports you know they are all brain, no Empathy. Hence the asian gang wars here. They dwarf Italian Mafia, police fear them. Rockin' the boat...yea
February 20, 2008
7:17 a.m.
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actress writes:
Fuuny for them to feel so superior when they have to come to the USA and us dumb whites to get their educations! BTW, you asians dont even have clean drinking water and theres a billion starving deseased Indians in your country where female infantacide is accepted...superior? Dont make me spit in your ignorant face.Wake up people!!
February 20, 2008
7:24 a.m.
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BirdonaWire writes:
I like the Asian people I work with and go to school with. They work their butts off, learn the native language and become productive members of our society. I don't see the welfare lines and WIC offices full of Asians.
February 20, 2008
7:26 a.m.
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n9nwo writes:
Most college students believe that there should be no restrictions on what they say or even due. Total freedom without responsibility. Comes from their mothers babying them....
February 20, 2008
7:27 a.m.
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Biffula writes:
Oh please. This country needs to lighten up. What a bunch of panty waists we've become. Who cares what this guy or anyone else says? Get a sense of humor people. Suck it up. This type of nonsense about a non-issue is why the middle eastern fascists are licking their chops at taking this country over. Because they see us as weak. Whenever I see whiny kids like this I see their point. Get a thicker skin! There is nothing anyone could say to me to make me shed a tear and sniffle like these babies. You know why? Because my parents taught me to tune out any negative junk that others might say about me. You know, Sticks and stones?...
February 20, 2008
7:34 a.m.
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Dhakala writes:
I'm reminded of the Asian family on the TV show, "King of the Hill", in which the parents do not hide their hatred of their redneck neighbors. Funny how no one gets up in arms about that parody.
The author of this op-ed seems to be after attention, not journalism. He must be related to Doug Bruce.
February 20, 2008
7:35 a.m.
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logic187x writes:
As you look at the string of comments made here , it's apparent who has the problem. Every comment is made by the type of white people that get real tough and hardcore over the internet, but never say this stuff to your face.
What does it feel like to be "de-Maled"?
Why did you let the internet do this to you?
I say this because not one time have I ever had one of you talk to me in person this way, only over the safety of the net.
Mine is the first comment that deals with your stupid feelings of righteous indignation at the fact that someone was caught being a jerk from the right. Lets be clear, I don't think much of Ward Churchill either but what does he have to do with the fact that many white people on the right have such a problem with people of color?
Most of you will never even leave the country and experience what the world has to offer, you will probably say that you have no desire to do so, but that will only further my point in saying it's you that has the hang up and the problem.
Get out of the way of the sane people that don't have time for this B>S. anymore.
February 20, 2008
7:38 a.m.
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ThinkB4USpeak writes:
The First Amendment addresses the citizen’s ability to deal with their government. It does not provide citizens with a "Right" to say whatever they want (for example shouting “fire” in a crowded theater). People misuse or misunderstand their First Amendment Rights constantly.
Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
If a citizen (even a Lefty) has a grievance with the government, they have the Right to address that with the government. This would obviously not include name calling, or personal attacks (which I see referenced above as the status quo for how both the extreme Left, and Right now "petition their government") Personal attacks are not "protected speech".
I think the guy who wrote the article needs to get a life. Clearly his focus in writing is simply to pi** people off. I think students who are guests in our country should treat their "hosts", that's you and me, with respect and appreciate that our National Attitude is changing and they have no Right to be here except that which we allow them. They may find our patience has run out and that we don't need a South Asian Student Association if there are no South Asians Students here.
Just a thought. God bless, and good luck.
February 20, 2008
7:39 a.m.
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italiaboy9 writes:
Roninacreage???? Are you kidding me? Please tell me that you wrote this quote in a drunken stupor:
"Hate speech is always welcome by the left, when the target meets their criteria."
The most Hate Speech comes out of the religious conservative right!! Go read some books my friend!
Don't worry friends, we might write our Asian hate articles now...but China owns us anyway. So, prepare for saying the pledge to big Red flag!! Once that happens, there won't be any free speech left!
February 20, 2008
7:42 a.m.
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actress writes:
We are still the best country in the world, travel overseas and you'll kiss the ground in graditude arriving here!
They need to remember they are guests here and should be humble and gracious. Recalls an incident I had while doing medical training. Two Asians were talking at my table saying how the medical profession is becoming all Asian and they are the ones fit not whites to practice...and on and on...I interjected, that may be so but your culture is 6000 yrs old and hasnt done what we in the USA have done in 200 years...and BTW we invented modern medicine and you're learning what "we" developed...that shut thier arrogant azz up! I like asians but not the ones with an attitude and males please stop acting like your kingsht here, I will take you down verbally and spit you out! Mommy and dadday dont pick our spouses..YUK! We dont burn ourself alive if our husband dies.....face reality about who's superior!
February 20, 2008
7:44 a.m.
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DahmersCookbook writes:
Logic187x, You jacka$$, Max Karson spoke his mind, and not behind the internet. People do speak their minds (Tancredo), but oblivious monkeys like yourself can't see problems until they effect you directly, You mindless drone.
February 20, 2008
7:46 a.m.
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Ottis writes:
What's funny is that this student's writings say far more about him than about what he is intending to say. And really, when you realize that, you pretty much ignore him. The only question left is, when everyone ignores him, will he ratchet his issues to a new, more troublesome level?
February 20, 2008
7:49 a.m.
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Joelweymouth writes:
I have lived in China and have visited most of Asia. Generally they are racial supremacists with most Asian nations are extremely racist. Case in point. Have you ever experienced the legal system in China as a foreigner, or Japan, or the Philippines? In contrast, how would a Chinese national, Filipino national, or Japanese national be treated in the American Justice System? The reason foreign nationals are treated so well is because our system and culture is the most just on the planet. But the average American University is a breeding ground for the hatred and dissolution of Western European culture and America in general. They are blind to the blessing they have in contrast to the rest of the world. Of course this culture and America itself is the most tolerant and prosperous society this planet has ever seen and is why these students are so spoiled.
Do these people want the US to become China or Vietnam or a banana republic in South America or an African republic?? Sadly, America is becoming so, and when it does, we will see a second Dark Age.
February 20, 2008
7:58 a.m.
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logic187x writes:
to jdub:
I don't think people of color are pampered at all, but i was not referring to all white people, just the ones like....
DahmersCookbook, and the rest of his like minded friends who unlike Tancredo, or Karson tries to be tuff on the net, see in public if we were having this discussion, DahmersCookbook would not say what he just said to my face, once he saw me and knew who I was he would just sit there and look at his feet murmuring to himself about is inability to to be a man
Oh am I a JackA$$ a monkey or a drone?
February 20, 2008
7:59 a.m.
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hdfresh writes:
What minority group doesn't hate white people? Can't think of one. And jdub88 you are just an ignorant son of a b*tch.
February 20, 2008
8 a.m.
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jconder45 writes:
I think it's really rich that the right-wingers here think that "the left" has a problem with responsibility in speech. Their hero, Rush Limbaugh, made his bones in the nineties spewing crap about how the Clintons were an enemy regime ("America under siege"), how Hillary Clinton had Vince Foster killed, blah blah blah. Limbaugh and his imitators basically introduced political hate speech into the media, and I'm sure most of the righties here who decry leftist "hate" still get off on the Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity, Beck crap.
February 20, 2008
8:03 a.m.
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logic187x writes:
Amen Jconder
February 20, 2008
8:11 a.m.
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Reader11722 writes:
This is all about the First Amendment. Let's not follow the gov't down the path of censorship. After all, censorship is becoming America's favorite past-time. The US gov't (and their corporate friends), already detain protesters, ban books like "America Deceived" from Amazon and Wikipedia, shut down Imus and fire 21-year tenured, BYU physics professor Steven Jones because he proved explosives, thermite in particular, took down the WTC buildings. Free Speech forever (especially for colleges).
Last link (before Google Books caves to pressure and drops the title):
http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/bo...
February 20, 2008
8:11 a.m.
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ricardo4max writes:
Thanks to Michael, Ohwise, and vudumom, among others that point out the hypocrisy of the liberal left and most "journalists" today. "Free speech's not free but requires that many selfless and patriotic individuals protect and defend it with their lives and careers. It also requires that those that practice it do so prudently and with careful thought.
And thanks to joelweymouth for speaking the truth.
February 20, 2008
8:12 a.m.
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jbouti writes:
If some knowledgeable person would explain how Asians react to stress, it would help. A class about psychoanalyzing the Asian mind would be a good start.
February 20, 2008
8:13 a.m.
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steve75462 writes:
Folks, actually read the entire opinion piece at
http://media.www.thecampuspress.com/m...
The piece is obviously satirical. After reading the piece, you realize that the author is complimenting the Asian students. i.e. "If you're not sure if someone is an Asian, give them a calculus problem to do in their head. If they get it right, net em."
Lighten up a little. This is satire. Read the piece and make up your own mind.
February 20, 2008
8:19 a.m.
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reddog writes:
Its always something at CU. When do they have time to educate? What a screwed up campus.
February 20, 2008
8:28 a.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
Can we trade CU to some other state? How about trading all of CU to Kansas for a bag of corn. Or how about to Arizona for a bucket of sand.
February 20, 2008
8:33 a.m.
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keeemosabe writes:
Response to Michael,2.20.8 @ 6.16a Please! Stop playing the victim. Why do those who identify with, "President Bush, VP Cheney, the US Armed Forces, Republicans, conservatives, Christians, etc.?" so often seem to turn every issue into their victimhood. Have you forgotten that the RMN, like righty talk radio has used the word liberal as a pejorative and as a punching bag for about 30 years now, and if the target ever hits back, the bullies cry foul. Hmmmmmm!
February 20, 2008
8:35 a.m.
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Spencer writes:
Don't forget about all the "Clinton is a Serial Killer" stories
February 20, 2008
8:41 a.m.
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horsinaround writes:
Italiaboy9,
You're way wrong. Most hate comes from far-leaning left liberals who no tolerance for anything other than their agenda. I have a "friend" who is a left-wing liberal who told me last week, and I quote, "I hate all Christians". Granted, she had had a few drinks, which only leads me to believe she had loosened up enough to let the truth come out. That's how most of you think, but yet that's not "hate" speech? What is it then?
February 20, 2008
8:46 a.m.
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davis_x_machina writes:
Jdub you were earlier called ignorant and reacted with hurt indignation but Surely someone as knowledgeable about Asian culture as yourself would know that the westernized spelling of the practice which occurs in only one Asian culture is Hari Kari and also that the actual term for the practice is Seppuku.Anyone with any perspective would readily see that this person is most likely some loudmouthed college conservative( yes there are such creatures college conservatives that is, generally loud-mouthed) afraid to death of the passing of the privileged position of the WASP male, and probably too stupid to realize that any "hatred" is the result of the existence of such as he.
February 20, 2008
8:47 a.m.
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Michael writes:
A follow up question? Why is OK to use the term "people of color" but not "colored people"? They are identical in meaning and almost identical in word as well. This one baffles me. "Colored people" was never used as a perjorative or in a demeaning way when it was in style to use it in the 50s and 60s. But try using it now and see what happens.
A follow up statement for those that think China "owns the US" and is a greater economic power and threat then we have ever seen. True, they are growing fast because there is no where to go but up when you are a 3rd world country. Take a look at this link and you will see that the TOTAL GDP of China is about 1/6 that of the USA. China is not close to the USA in the production of goods and services. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...(nominal)
February 20, 2008
8:48 a.m.
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sls writes:
lock the door and throw away the key, before another school shooting happens due to hate and racism
February 20, 2008
8:50 a.m.
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Roninacreage writes:
"Pasha Minallah, a 27-year-old junior music major at CU and member of the South Asian Student Association."
A member of a race based club. A segregationist. A racist.
Those who use race to sepearte themselves from others have the problem. Just as those in the Klan. CU actually foments hostility by encouraging and allowing segregationist policies on their campus. Liberals are all about race. Seperating them, that is.
February 20, 2008
8:54 a.m.
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Eric writes:
GO RAMMIES!!!
February 20, 2008
9:07 a.m.
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John_McClane writes:
Perhaps individuals should be reading more scripture and less of the press eminating from Boulder. The book of Acts chapter 17 verse 26 states that "He (God) made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on the face of the earth". It's clear the Bible reveals we all are from that "same" blood. Don't let what some racist peckerwood has to say bug you so much. For crying out loud, does anyone expect anything decent to come from the press anymore?
February 20, 2008
9:08 a.m.
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Marshdale writes:
Karson needs a beat down. He is an ignorant cad who has filled his head with imaginary paranoid crap. These are the kind of people who go off the deep end and hurt someone else. Fair warning CU. Keep your eyes on this guy. This guy is a few bricks short of a full load. He is just like any other Nazi who has to find someone else to blame for his own problems. Get a life Karson.
February 20, 2008
9:11 a.m.
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buffalo_flyer writes:
Hate increases the further from the center you live. The far right and far left are so out of control that we ought to be very certain in our beliefs to prevent this country from sliding into a second civil war. Don't believe it can't happen here.
Idiots like Karson bring us closer every day
February 20, 2008
9:28 a.m.
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mrfxx writes:
I find it interesting that folks on the right are whining about rants against the administration when I don't recall a single person on the right defending the right to disagree with administration policy. The administration - as soon as it decided to declare war on Iraq - preemptively defined everyone who disagreed with that as a TRAITOR. I regularly see folks on the right defining anyone who disagrees with the the administration in general or the war in Iraq specifically as "America haters" or "traitors" - and all are presumed to "left-wing liberals" despite the fact that belief in the war is down to under 30% nationally (last I heard - it could be lower). I also don't recall anyone chastising Bush during the 2000 run to get the candidacy when he/his campaign crew basically stated that McCain's time as a POW made him mentally unbalanced, or that his wife cheated while he was a POW & that their adopted daughter was his "love child". Name calling and smearing has become the most popular pastime in the country - and it just gets worse during election years. SHOCK (check out the History Channel on how nasty Andrew Jackson's campaigns were). If the article is satire as some have stated, and this person regularly has articles seen as hate pieces rather than satire, perhaps he should start putting a disclaimer at the bottom of each piece.
February 20, 2008
9:30 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
Buffalo_Flyer,
I believe what brings us closer to a civil war is the formation of all of the race specific organizations.
February 20, 2008
9:32 a.m.
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kirbysfriend22 writes:
I was always under the impression that hate speech was not covered under the freedom of speech.
February 20, 2008
9:33 a.m.
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Meatwallet writes:
Chinese food is good.
February 20, 2008
9:36 a.m.
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ruckus writes:
*Begins to play the worlds smallest violin; in tune for all the "reverse-racism" rhetoric*
February 20, 2008
9:49 a.m.
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ruckus writes:
logic187x,
take it easy on jdub88; I mean how would you feel if you went to a doctor of color(any color just pick one!) for a prostate check up and the doctor had both hands on your shoulders?
try to understand his animosity towards minority cuz they're raping anything America has to stand for, plus i dont think he took his vagisil prescription either...
February 20, 2008
9:52 a.m.
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ruckus writes:
maybe can borrow some from vudumom?
February 20, 2008
9:59 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
GWM,
I think that was meant to be a compliment to the black race. jdub has a unique sense of humor that not all can appreciate!
February 20, 2008
10:07 a.m.
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Dhakala writes:
This is an example of an opinion piece that should have been sent back for revision. The editors did not exercise their discretion properly. Maybe they thought it was funny, in which case Campus Press needs new editors.
February 20, 2008
10:19 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
GWM,
Are you hoping he is coming out of the closet? ;)
I guess I have no need to fear him either way. I am a straight, blue-eyed, German descent female.
February 20, 2008
10:31 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
I also had to look up Valkyrie. We can learn from him. So, where do I fit in??? I'm not sure what his views are exactly. He is very mysterious...and maybe immortal (or shall I say immoral?)
February 20, 2008
10:32 a.m.
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miranda_1 writes:
To vudumom: You really don't get it, do you? Organizations don't have to include the title "White" when they are inherently controlled by whites. It would be redundant and unnecessary and would only state the obvious. Minorities form their own groups when they are outnumbered -- and out-voted -- and, consequently, have little or no voice in a majority-population (white) organization.
Please, folks, stop whining about the loss of white privilege and calling it racism.
I found the CU column to be particularly offensive, but my greater concern is that this young man is a timebomb just waiting to explode.
February 20, 2008
10:39 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
GWM, I have been following along for a couple of months. Sometimes jdub makes me angry, sometimes he makes me laugh. Makes for an exciting relationship. I am glad he admits I am in control.
February 20, 2008
10:45 a.m.
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jconder45 writes:
Dan2-
You're calling George Wallace in 1963 a mainstream media figure comparable to Rush Limbaugh? That's incredibly lame. Not to mention that George Wallace was a RIGHT-WINGER, and his hate speech came from the RIGHT. Details, details. I'd say you're the one who doesn't know history.
But sure there have been examples of hate speech in Aemrican media before the 90s, usually from the right. Pro-Nazi Father Coughlin in the 30s, or Joe McCarthy in the 50s, for example.
February 20, 2008
10:45 a.m.
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Spencer writes:
Michael I will tell you the same thing I told my mom. (absolutely not a racist but she used to say "colored people") What color are they? Isn't everyone colored one way or another? No problem saying white people so why not black people?
February 20, 2008
10:48 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
jdub,
Do you agree with Karson's view that women were not designed to enjoy sex? Or was that satire as well? I see that you fear black men as he does. I am not familiar with "The Yeti" I thought it was a bike.
February 20, 2008
10:57 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
GWM, I have come to the conclusion that he is neither a moron nor ignorant. I believe you have to be intelligent and well informed to have the sort of "twisted" views he has. But do you think he would really act on them as people here fear Karson would? Don't worry, I would not allow myself to be caught in any web that I didn't want to get caught in. And if I am a Valkyrie vixon, I can take care of myself.
February 20, 2008
11:09 a.m.
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Theoldguy writes:
This was a great blog. Sex, violence and..............Go Cornhuskers. Beat the CU Buffies.
February 20, 2008
11:13 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
jdub,
Yeti still makes a great mtn bike! Now you have me wondering why you feel that way about women.
GWM, help me out here, is he trying to come out of the closet? You seem to know him better than I do.
Sorry, everyone for veering away from the subject.
February 20, 2008
11:15 a.m.
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denverinfidel writes:
I love it when free speech bites the left in the a**. Whats a bleeding heart progressive boulderite to do? The left has proven time and again that free speech is an evolving concept to them.
The fact is a school like CU has several tenured professors who say worse than this on a regular basis, except their targets are white. Free speech sucks sometimes, but it exists for a reason. The point has been made, but its satire, and you are free to not read it.
And in typical campus fashion the people who belong to a rascist group (asian students, la raza, etc - they exlcude other races, don't they?) are offended that someone doesn't like their race. These are the keepers of who qualifies as a victim? Hilarious.
February 20, 2008
11:31 a.m.
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DahmersCookbook writes:
This heated banter turned flirting is strangely arousing. What bar tonight? The asian hater has brought you all to the point of an orgy. Keep posting, yea...
February 20, 2008
11:34 a.m.
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jay writes:
Of course this guy has the right to express his opinions (albeit without the violent implications he's used in the past). That doesn't mean we can't pity him for his obvious ignorance.
February 20, 2008
11:36 a.m.
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EastVail writes:
I do not agree with a word you say, but will defend to my death your right to say it.
-Voltaire
Censorship reflect's society's lack of confidence in itself.
February 20, 2008
11:48 a.m.
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DahmersCookbook writes:
GWM, your very ill-tempered like the rest of your kind. The STD's contracted by your unhealthly lifestyle have tainted your thoughts. Look at what your promiscuous counterparts have done to San Fran & Africa. Buy A guy a drink would ya.
February 20, 2008
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Heidi writes:
jdub,
How did you guess? Are you Thor?
Asians do make great food. I am having a burrito. Bought from a Spanish-only speaking woman.
GWM,
You just fed Dahmer. You also took the words out of my mouth in response to EastVail's post.
February 20, 2008
12:22 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
jdub,
I thought that was my decision on whether you go to Valhalla or not. You do not have a drinking pass for tonight.
February 20, 2008
12:37 p.m.
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EZBakeOven writes:
Come on! This has got to be satire!!
February 20, 2008
12:47 p.m.
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Alikospah writes:
Apparently, campus educational style is a bit insulating. Some lose their sense of community with the greater world. He clearly believes what he is writing and expressing is profound but in the world at large, or even society in the US, it doesn't even ripple. He's a ding bat and takes himself too seriously. Not healthy at all. His immersion in the campus news organ is commendable but he needs to come up for air.
February 20, 2008
1:11 p.m.
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pkrknight writes:
I can't believe the level of thinly veiled hatred, hypocrisy, and bigotry of a number of these comments. The writer in question obvioulsy had preconceived opinions of a group of people - always a dangeroud habit - and used the actions of one person to justify his beliefs. Good lord that is the very core of bigortry and racism! And a lot of posters are buying into this "those people" syndrome and passing it off as justifiable. Disgusting.
February 20, 2008
1:21 p.m.
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joseacolon writes:
https://www.personaldiscovery.blogspo...
Being serious about it, I have to say that I am not alarmed by the fact that someone says that he or she hates a particular ethnic group. To say otherwise would be childish. Ignorance, stereotypes, and fear of the unknown do wonders.
https://www.personaldiscovery.blogspo...
I personally have being discriminated by many diferent races to include mine.
But common sense dictates that not all asians, not all whites, not all blacks, not all native americans hate all other races. I is only the narrow minded who makes that assumption.
And you know how the old saying goes, "when you assume, you make an a** out of yourself?"
February 20, 2008
1:32 p.m.
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upscale1 writes:
As a Alum of the University of Colorado, and a "MINORITY" (african-american female) Class of 1985.
I am appalled that this level of racism is allowed to exist under the shield of "FREE SPEECH".
If the newspaper would have called him on the carpet - when he first started acting out. It would not have escalated to the disaster that it is today.
RACISM and BIGOTRY are symptoms of IGNORANCE. They do not belong anywhere near a College Campus in the year 2007.
February 20, 2008
2 p.m.
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Lonestar writes:
All politics aside, I think if this article would have appeared in "The Onion" no one would have thought twice about it.
February 20, 2008
2:03 p.m.
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Lonestar writes:
All politics aside, I think if this had appeared in "The Onion" no one would have thought twice about it.
February 20, 2008
2:09 p.m.
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bleeda writes:
This opposition is the true liberal fascist movement.
February 20, 2008
2:34 p.m.
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aeb1barfo writes:
Posted by jdub88 on February 20, 2008 at 10:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Heidi,
Where you fit in is you get the final say-so on if I get into Valhalla or not.
GWM,
You buying the drinks tonight?
Anybody who wants to exercise REAL free speech is welcome to do so in OUR valhalla:
www.trollvalhalla.com
This restriction of obvious PARODY has gotten out of hand.
The same thing with the HATE SPEECH ( AKA CENSORSHIP label ).
CU has become UC BERZERKELEY EAST. This controversy ranks up there with anything the Peoples Republic of Berzerkeley has come up with. Oxygen Starvation ( in both places ) may explain it.
February 20, 2008
2:36 p.m.
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Rhett writes:
It's Boulder. What do you expect?
February 20, 2008
2:36 p.m.
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Richwill writes:
Graf_spee: Why is being a junior and 27 a sign of anything?
I am a senior and 69 years of age. Do you have a problem with that?
February 20, 2008
2:41 p.m.
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buffsblg writes:
Rather than rely on the News for a summary of the objectionable article, I actually went and read the article and I have some thoughts. First, it is clearly intended to be satire and not an actual expression of bigotry. The majority of the column actually is about his plan to gather all asians up in butterfly nets until we "break their spirits". Not really the stuff of a true bigot. Much worse stuff is written on this board every day, and indeed in the posts about the article much more actual bigotry is demonstrated.
Secondly, I am struck with how very badly written the article is. The satire is weak and obvious, the attempts at humor are childish and off the mark. Someone on here mentioned the Onion, but they would never run anything this truly terrible. Nowhere in the article is an original thought or really anything to think about beyond the 5th grade shock level. As a CU grad I am more concerned about the level of education it shows than any real concern about racism.
It seems, based on a quick and painful glance at some of his other work, that if we ignore this no talent hack he will likely just fade away. Even Howard Stern and Don Imus were at least funny.
February 20, 2008
3:03 p.m.
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Libertarian_Thinker writes:
To: Logic187x, concerning your illogical post of February 20th 2008 at 7:35 a.m.
Quoted from you post…
Quote - “Mine is the first comment that deals with your stupid feelings of righteous indignation at the fact that someone was caught being a jerk from the right.” - End Quote
I have to ask you… Why do you assume that this jerk - Max Karson - was from the right?
Obviously your liberal based education has tainted your reasoning. Seems to me that you have stereotyped all right thinking people as being racists. That’s just ignorant.
Case in point: It was a white Republican man along with conservative white Europeans in Great Britain who were the impetus that virtually started the beginning of the end to slavery worldwide. Thank you Abraham Lincoln. - I apologize but my memory failed me as to the man’s name from Great Britain who brought the immorality of slavery to light.
If you remember, which you probably don’t if you went to our government run indoctrination centers, AKA our public schools. It was the leftist Democrats in the south who fought tooth and nail to keep the “right” to own slaves. Moreover, it took white Republican men in congress to get the Civil Rights Bill passed in the 60s. While people like Al Gore's father, who voted against the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 and was a racist who was fond of using the "N----" word, along with Bill Clinton's mentor, the noted segregationist William Fulbright, who were steadfast against it.
(Funny but the only place slavery exists today is in Africa and the muslim world or dare I say parts of Asia.)
As for Christians being racist, that too is hogwash. (Not that you implied it but obviously many others have.) True Christians believe in the sanctity of all men not just white people. That is why, the most culturally diverse, most accepting of different cultures, nation in the history of civilization was founded by white Christians. (For you brainwashed, lefty, America Haters, that would be The United States of America.)
One more thing… as proof of the mindlessness of the lefts political correctness coupled with the woeful ineptness of our education system, we can no longer call Orientals, that is people from the Orient, Orientals. We now have to call them Asians. Ever look at a map? Asia is a very large continent, which includes Russia and the muslim world. So to be accurate you would also have to call people from Russia, Iran, India, Pakistan, Kazakhstan and so on… Asians.
So take you misguided, incapable of rational thought, left wing biases, and stick them where the sun don’t shine. (Grin)
Libertarian_Thinker AKA…AlanD
February 20, 2008
3:05 p.m.
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HolierThanThou writes:
The opinion piece is a joke and I thought it was rather funny. You need to read the whole thing to get to the punchline at the end.
http://www.thecampuspress.com/media/s...
February 20, 2008
3:20 p.m.
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bluecrew writes:
jconder
That is the same liberal censorship b.s we're talking about. As soon as somebody speaks the truth about your commy friends, you cry hate.
Same with with minorities, logic. That's why you people won't pull your votes from the left, they create just enough entitlement programs to keep you in your comfy little victimized state.
February 20, 2008
3:30 p.m.
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Libertarian_Thinker writes:
Back on subject…
U.S. Constitution: First Amendment - Religion and Expression
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
As far as free speech is concerned, Free Speech is Free Speech! (The ill-conceived McCain - Feingold act aside.) There is a reason that it was important enough to be the first amendment to our constitution. The idea is to protect speech that may be considered objectionable. Common sense demands that there is no need to protect speech that everybody agrees with. Voltaire said it best: ‘I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.’
…That being said, Max Karson is still a First Class Jerk!
February 20, 2008
3:32 p.m.
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Theoldguy writes:
Well! The truth comes out. Has anyone thought about the Asian mindset? Their society is much older than Western civilization and therefore WE are the unwashed masses. They are quite polite when around round-eyes, but within their own culture WE are seen as quite soft and stupid. I'm a white guy, but as I see our society coarsening I can't but wonder.......
Looking back, historically, this may well be the end of Industrialized, Western Civilization. Perhaps the rest of the world would be better off with us gone. We manufacture, by proxy, mountains of junk. Our politicians are professionally trained liars as well as our CEO's. We have produced a wake of over-consuming pigs. Enough is not enough. Being comfortable and secure with time to spend well is now "being on the edge" with little time to spend with friends and family. The world is overpopulated and food is starting to become quite expensive. The silliness of converting food (corn) into fuel is the beginning of society starting to feed on itself. Ever notice how quick the Japs are about beating us in the auto mart? Sure, it's just like feeding fuel to a fire. Sooner or later they'll be pay back for Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Chinese just hate us from Korea and Viet Nam.
You get to figure out how you're going to survive. Me? I'm so close to a dirt nap that pointing out human stupidity is fun.
February 20, 2008
3:33 p.m.
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RAPID888 writes:
My comment is so far down the board I bet nobody will read it, but I'm going to type it anyway.
So many of you agree with the quote "Yes, you're entitled to free speech, but free speech comes with responsibilities,"
You all need to take a logic or critical thinking class there at CU. Also, look up the word freedom and see if there is anything connecting it to responsibility ... I suspect you will find them antonyms
Free speech is granted by the US constitution and comes with no responsibility, none at all. If you believe that your freedom to speak comes encumbered with a responsibility then how is it free?
Let’s look at the word RESPONSIBILITY, response and ability are the roots. Your speech is a response to something, and since you said it you are able. Speech is responsibility.
Here is how it works; speech comes with consequences, not responsibility. When you say things, there are consequences to your words. You don't need to be responding to your own words, you need to take ownership of them and suffer the consequences when you say something. The consequences are other people’s reactions to your ideas, via your words.
It takes no responsibility to yell 'fire' into a crowd, but you need to accept the consequences of being arrested for such a foolish act.
It makes me sad to see word meanings co-opted by students of journalism, I see journalists as keepers of the language via there usage of words, and when a college journalism student say freedom is accompanied by responsibility I have to wonder what is wrong with them, don't they own a dictionary.
The above paragraphs are my speech, they are my ABILITY TO RESPOND, and anything that comes from them is my consequences to bear.
February 20, 2008
4 p.m.
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aeb1barfo writes:
And you know how the old saying goes, "when you assume, you make an a** out of yourself?"
Felix Unger said it this way:
"when you assume, you make an a** out of U and ME"
Hmmm. Why do some posts disappear with out a trace?
It was relevant to the story and contained no profanity...
February 20, 2008
4:06 p.m.
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Libertarian_Thinker writes:
U.S. Constitution: First Amendment - Religion and Expression
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
As far as free speech is concerned, Free Speech is Free Speech! (The ill-conceived McCain - Feingold act aside.) There is a reason that it was important enough to be the first amendment to our constitution. The idea is to protect speech that may be considered objectionable. Common sense demands that there is no need to protect speech that everybody agrees with. Voltaire said it best: ‘I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.’
…That being said, Max Karson is still a First Class Jerk!
February 20, 2008
4:29 p.m.
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cptasshole writes:
Is the South Asian Student Association so racist they have to separate themselves from the Southeast Asian Student Association, the North Asian Student Assoc, the East Asian Student Assoc, etc?
February 20, 2008
4:57 p.m.
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foboiax writes:
If you are outraged I've created a list of people to e-mail...i URGE EVERYONE to take just a second even if it's a couple minutes out to defend outselves, CU says they can't do anything because of Freedom of speech, I say that's bull...so all YOU need to do is copy these e mails to the To; Box and type away.
chanchat@colorado.edu, officeofthepresident@cu.edu, stump@colorado.edu, sallye.mckee@colorado.edu, talktous@rockymountainnews.com, FOXaroundtheworld@foxnews.com, kusa@9news.com, newstips@thedenverchannel.com, kcncnews@cbs.com, dyoung@cw2.com, news2@cw2.com, Email newsroom@denverpost.com, openforum@denverpost.com, Leslie.Wong@Colorado.EDU
We can't sit around and be the timid asians that people expect us to be anymore...if it's a war HE wants..it's a war he'll get...
speak up.
February 20, 2008
4:59 p.m.
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foboiax writes:
Ifyou are outraged I've created a list of people to e-mail...i URGE EVERYONE to take just a second even if it's a couple minutes out to defend outselves, CU says they can't do anything because of Freedom of speech, I say that's bull...so all YOU need to do is copy these e mails to the To; Box and type away.
chanchat@colorado.edu, officeofthepresident@cu.edu, stump@colorado.edu, sallye.mckee@colorado.edu, talktous@rockymountainnews.com, FOXaroundtheworld@foxnews.com, kusa@9news.com, newstips@thedenverchannel.com, kcncnews@cbs.com, dyoung@cw2.com, news2@cw2.com, Email newsroom@denverpost.com, openforum@denverpost.com, Leslie.Wong@Colorado.EDU
We can't sit around and be the timid asians that people expect us to be anymore...if it's a war HE wants..it's a war he'll get...
speak up.
February 20, 2008
5 p.m.
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siramelek writes:
nothing is worse than n!ggurs.
February 20, 2008
5:02 p.m.
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Monotone writes:
I wanted to address the misconception that minorities forming student groups are a form of racism. The majority of such groups are formed for the main purpose of confronting and discussing these exact issues of cultural tension and social integration. To say that these groups are racist is incorrect, in fact, all these groups are usually thrilled to have members of all races. You do not have to be Asian to be in an Asian student association.
Perhaps intead of poorly executed satire, Mr. Karson should sit in on a few of these student groups and he would quickly see that most Asians do not hate "white" people and the few that do should not be seen to represent the rest. I support his right to say what he pleases, but his article is ignorant at best and a University should be held to higher standards than this.
February 20, 2008
5:03 p.m.
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siramelek writes:
go back to your affirmative action "job" upscale.
February 20, 2008
5:55 p.m.
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bachdog writes:
More proof that CU will let anyone in their school. Max Karson wrote an editorial full of racist hate speech. Why is it hate speech? Because he commits some of the worst logical fallacies, especially hasty generalizations. To paraphrase: "I once interacted with one of those people on the racquetball court once and I "saw" these emotions and thoughts in his eye. I'm a mind-reader! Therefore they (everyone in another continent and those who immigrated here to become Americans) HATE US. You should hate them all, even those you never met."
It's pure drivel, written by self-pitying and arrogant wannabe writer. And the drooling white supremacists who are also internet tough-guys are filling up this thread with anger and hate that makes their jealousy and intolerance obvious.
Karson is a joke but his writing is not funny. Maybe if Asians look surprised "every time" he talks to them maybe it's because he is obnoxious, abrasive, rude and full of hatred. Maybe he'll get over his pubertal angst and grow up a little. Or they'll have to arrest him again. A little jailtime might help fix his attitude.
February 20, 2008
6:07 p.m.
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bradt writes:
When black racists like Louis Farrakhan are paid by college campi to spew their hate speech, everyone nods approvingly at the 1st amendment.(Cliched liberal) "I disagree with what he says, but I will die for his right to say it!"
Now a white person does even less, for free, and everyone is crying about speech with responsibility. (Cliched liberal) "This ignorant person has no right to exist in a world with normal people!"
Double standards.
February 20, 2008
6:08 p.m.
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snowbelly writes:
I think most asian people are pretty nice and even some white people are OK. By the way George Wallce was a democrat who always received at least 78% of the african american vote. He was the one who accessed colleges and trade schools to us all before LBJ.
February 20, 2008
7:08 p.m.
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Overmind writes:
where do i start....
free speech. that means free fu#%ing speech. weather its talking about dandelions, giant tacos pooping vanilla ice cream, fire in an uncrowded theater, etc. Free speech means without fear of repercussion. And for free speech, guess what, you don't need responsibility.
I can pretend to be racist to make a point about humans behavior, but can you prove im not really racist? Even if i write an article, saying i have some racially motivated behavior, to prove some readres assumtions that because this article says this, the WRITER indeed is?
By the way, I hear all whites are good at math.
February 20, 2008
7:09 p.m.
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Comama writes:
My son is taking a required sociology class at CUDenver called Race and Gender. What is being taught is hatred for people of all races but the black race. When CU professors teach hate to these young impressional minds then the product will be hate. Max Karson is just letting the world know what CU has taught him.
February 20, 2008
7:16 p.m.
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American100 writes:
Didn't you know? It's only politically correct to bash whites.
February 20, 2008
7:34 p.m.
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RobertNYC writes:
@ logic187x
What is your mouth flapping about no one will say anything to your face. What do you want said to your face big mouth? You are the one sounding all tough over the 'net. Maybe no one will say anything to your face as your breath is so bad?
I'd be happy to.
I have been told that minorities cannot be racist against white as racism is about power and the monorities dont have the power - therefore they are incapable of racism.
What a load of crap that is. The Black Panthers are as despicable as the KKK. Anyone that preaches hate is the same - regardless of the color of their skin, ethnicity, place of origin or whatever reason they give to justify their spew - they are still a racist.
oh yeah - logic187x - shut up, you are letting all the air out of your head.
February 20, 2008
7:39 p.m.
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Zinnia79 writes:
All I have to say is this: "Trash comes in all colors."
I am Chinese and deeply offended by Max Karson's ignorant ranting. Everyone should have the right to proud of their race, but without bashing others. I don't ask you racists to understand anything about our culture because you are too narrow-minded and stupid to. There is no cure for stupidity.
To Jdub, Whitepower does not exist anymore moron. Everytime a white person breeds with a colored person...they carry on the darker traits. It's dominant. There are over 2 billion Chinese in this world and another 2 billion Asians....so watch your racist dumba**. Obviously you have learned nothing from college...what a waste of money. Your parents should be ashamed of a racist offspring like you, they did not do a good job in raising you. It must suck to be you. You are a hater.
I have a nephew who is half white so I love white people. My boyfriend is black, I love black people. My best friend is Mexican, I love Mexicans. I was raised mostly in Colorado and I love being American. But I do hate ignorant pansy-a** people who are too stupid and racist to learn from the rich cultures of this world. Go get enlightened.
February 20, 2008
8:03 p.m.
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Zinnia79 writes:
Asian Pride! Yes, I'm very proud to be Asian...but I don't hate other races nor would I be ignorant enough to define a whole race based on stereotypes. People fear what's superior to them and what they don't know. So hate the game, not the players...losers!
February 20, 2008
8:19 p.m.
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shizoidman writes:
Noticing a post by logic187x on February 20, 2008 at 7:35 a.m, I have to comment.
Dear logic187x, It sounds to me like it is you who have a problem with whites - or any other color other than your own, whatever that is. Look how you describe others' comments:
You humbly stated about yourself: "Mine is the first comment that deals with your stupid feelings of righteous indignation..."
Oh, that's very mature. Hmm. It's obvious you are a product of the "well-rounded" modern liberal education system, hallmarked by its high levels of tolerance, and ability for mature discourse. Bravo.
If that weren't enough reason to discount anything you may say onward, you cement your fate with this gem: "Every comment is made by the type of white people that ..."
Man alive, that's actually textbook material there. "Every comment"? Hmm. Did you read them all? "Type of white people". Wow. Classic stuff. Doubleplusgood bravo. You have a career waiting for you in any mainstream media outlet. NYT, NEWSWEEK, TIME, WP, LAT, MSNBC. Get that resume prepared.
Let's be serious for a moment. You're not exactly demonstrating an unbiased, reasonable, fair minded perspective coming from the Asian side of the argument, are you? Can I assume you are Asian, based upon your obviously apparent emotional attachment to the issue and clear indignation at the tone being taken by 'whites'?
I guess you just made that guy Karson's argument even more valid.
Pity. Humans never learn, they just get stuck on stupid.
Good luck to you and all who think like you. You're going to need it.
February 20, 2008
9:54 p.m.
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JohnnyT writes:
This kid's a head case, reading all that into a misplaced racquetball. I prefer not to hate, but if you're going to hate anybody, Karson, save it for the Islamist moojies who are trying to kill us all and drag us back into the Stone Age. They've earned it. The hard way.
Asians are having problems with them too, you know, all over the Western Pacific. Bombings and beheadings in Thailand, the Philippines, Indonesia, you name it. We're all in the same fight, K. You should be on THEIR side.
February 20, 2008
9:59 p.m.
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soledadcross888 writes:
Ha, ha, you guys are great in bullying Asians as they seldom fight back except for the occasional hate stare. Try the Muslims and see what happens. Karson is a coward to take on the Asians. Dare him to try writing something anti-Muslim and see his ass blown off or have CAIR beat him into court!
February 20, 2008
11:35 p.m.
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AzDenFan writes:
Great.
TWO embarrassing CU related stories on the popular website drudgereport.com at the same time.
Sex Party Scandals. Rape accusations. Ward Churchill. Frat boys demolishing hotel rooms. Racism in the Campus paper. I cringe. Anyone in Boulder exercise good judgement anymore? I now have the expectation that any news that I read about CU is not only going to be bad news, but shockingly bad news. As an alum, I am frequently embarrassed by my association to CU.
February 21, 2008
1:13 a.m.
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sosad writes:
Will Americans ever reach the point where we can treat people as individuals? I can't believe some of the comments here. I live in a college town in Texas and even my ignorant red-neck a** has seen enough to know better than to lump people all together by color like sacks of beans. These are individual human beings we're talking about!
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." - MLK
It's my dream too. Our obsession with racial collectivism will become a bayonet run through the heart of America. We must lay it down before it kills this great nation.
February 21, 2008
1:13 a.m.
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kudubwrong writes:
These situations are going to become more frequent. Just do a search on Canada's FREE speech and see where they are with that. The so called "Responsibilities," are really going to be catch phrases for the "hate speech speak" that will soon be upon us. It will literally shut down all forms of opinion that the "STATE", or country, doesn't think appropriate, especially with a liberal dem in office. So we can all kiss our free speech right's goodbye. If you don't believe what I am saying... just check out our neighbors to the north... it's truly frightening. Write, blog and post while you still can!!
February 21, 2008
1:28 a.m.
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kudubwrong writes:
Upscale1... unless that bigoted speech targets "white people".... then it is perfectly acceptable. it goes on everyday, in everyway.... with out so much as a blink of an eye!
February 21, 2008
1:55 a.m.
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Emannuel writes:
Freedom of Speech does not mean "with responsibility"-that is a masking word used by both Left and Right to mean "self-censorship.
there are no other words to qualify Freedom of Speech-it means what it says!All "religions" and "political philosophies" deny Freedom of Speech-always have-always will>Without Freedom of Speech then Freedom of Debate is impossible-Denial of Freedom of Speech under whatever pretext-either legal or moral or religious or political is the number one rule of Fascism.Denial of Freedom of Speech and Debate is the FIRST action of ALL dictators whether Political or Religious.
AS Rousseau said" I may not agree with you but Ill defend to the death your right to say it"
February 21, 2008
2:57 a.m.
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Saram_Kimchi writes:
After reading this thread, one can very well deduce that "Higher Education" (Read "College for privilged") extolls the virtue of an "arrogance of ignorance", and a self-loathing for having parents whose suffering has afforded them the ability of attaining a better education and a better life. Why do all of the truly hateful posts originate from leftists?
What happened to the supporters of the "First Amendment" that is used, by the leftists, to post demeaning photographs of women and children? What happened to the supporters of the "First Amendment" when the ultra-left proposes to shut down campus thought? How long will the youth be told how and what to think by "has been" ultra-leftist radicals? Has our youth been wasted upon altar of the left? Are we sheep to be led to the slaughter by the "Judas Goats" known as our professors?
February 21, 2008
5:37 a.m.
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LC writes:
This column is supposed to be funny. Lighten up, folks! He obviously makes fun of white people by saying they're "tree sloths," etc. This is supposed to be a joke, and if you don't like his brand of comedy, don't read it. The problem with the world is that everyone is so uptight and easily offended. You don't have the right to not be offended; that's not in the Constitution last time I checked. There is not one thread of meanness involved or intended in the "article." Anyone who is "threatening" to "tickle someone until they pee" or any of the other "punishments" involved in this article is NOT serious!
February 21, 2008
7:18 a.m.
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jrrrr writes:
Ha, ha...outrage because a student made up his own stereotypes instead of sticking with the politically correct stereotypes taught in all American colleges. The polarizing identity politics of America’s paycheck redistribution schemes are threatened by such cheeky youth...unite mainstream media and silence him in your usual way... with a history lesson coupled to self righteousness. Surely,all of us must believe today's propaganda by now, that neither politically imposed racial discrimination, nor color-driven social criticism create hardship for whites, even those millions quietly and harmlessly working for minimum wages, because all whites are “privileged,” not to mention “wealthy,” from the slave years. Everyone can see that is true, and with just a simpleminded glance at color differences.
Besides how else can any American politician get elected except by a thoroughly indoctrinated mass acceptance of the color conscious stereotypes necessary to an election platform of racial preferences/penalties.
February 21, 2008
7:22 a.m.
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JohnFrost writes:
Many students are fed up with so many undesirable Asians.
February 21, 2008
7:31 a.m.
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JohnFrost writes:
I fear an Asian planet by 2065
We will be pushed out by billions of racist Asians if we don't control the borders and halt immigration from Asia and everywhere
It;s a fact that every China girl wants a white man, chinesse babies plus child support and half of all his cash...
Once China offered the US 10 million women, so if your girlfriend is Chinesse it means nothing but more chinesse babies to pollute this world.Obama wants to keep the door wide open for these vermin to come in. It's up to you if you want that.
A White man with china girl produce more chinesse babies . Not White babies.Remember that.
February 21, 2008
8:39 a.m.
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JohnFrost writes:
I cursed my friend for heckling Tancredo.
He was absolutely right. Now nobody can stop the Asian and Mexican invasion.
February 21, 2008
8:45 a.m.
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JohnFrost writes:
Many white bigots fear a Chinesse Planet by 2065 in which all other races are slaves or killed by Asians.
February 23, 2008
5:11 p.m.
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Jazgje writes:
Asians aren't better than caucasians, but caucasians aren't any better anyways. When you say things that imply that they all hate whites is just assumption. If asians really did hate all whites, they would just stay in Asia and not come here. This guy probably just wanted to express his hatred and in the article it said that this guy becomes angered a lot, so he probably needs anger management or something. All those comments about asians are ridiculous. GROW UP and stop being racist, seriously. Go get a life if you think that's acceptable. Especially since no asians are bothering you. None of you guys even know asians if you can talk about them this way.
February 24, 2008
11:48 p.m.
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logic187x writes:
Hello shizoidman
You said to me:
It sounds to me like it is you who have a problem with whites - or any other color other than your own, whatever that is. Look how you describe others' comments:
You humbly stated about yourself: "Mine is the first comment that deals with your stupid feelings of righteous indignation..."
Oh, that's very mature. Hmm. It's obvious you are a product of the "well-rounded" modern liberal education system, hallmarked by its high levels of tolerance, and ability for mature discourse. Bravo.
Well you caught me....or did you?
At the time I responded to this post thats all that was on the post for the most part, white people making bigoted comments about Asians, and others in fact by the time i was finished the first few comments that were not in this vein had just shown up. but lets look at my entire comment...
Mine is the first comment that deals with your stupid feelings of righteous indignation at the fact that someone was caught being a jerk from the right. Lets be clear, I don't think much of Ward Churchill either but what does he have to do with the fact that many white people on the right have such a problem with people of color?
if you were to go to the top of the list and read what was said before my comment shows up...well...you would get the point...When I used the word every I was really speaking to the comments coming from whites who were just being bigoted, (the bulk of this post is that way so don't pretend i'm making it up) as far as my race?...No I'm not asian, and yes I do have a problem with white people that behave the way some here have, there is a type you know?
(Every comment is made by the type of white people that get real tough and hardcore over the internet, but never say this stuff to your face.) That type
Or are you saying that the white people making all the bigoted comments are just friendly people with a disagreement?
Two of my best friends are white males one is married to a spanish woman, the other to a black woman, and my mother is white so as you can see your argument is beginning to fall on it's face.
My education?...yes I was educated at one of the top schools in the country know the world over as a bastion of liberal driven left leaning social norms....The art institute of Colorado...ooops wrong again...You go on in your reply about this and that but you leave the last part of my comment out....
Get out of the way of the sane people that don't have time for this B>S. anymore.
Yep that sounds like I have a problem with all white people,
and yes you are still stuck on stupid
February 28, 2008
5:15 a.m.
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ExploitAsian writes:
MAX KARSON’S PET PROJECT: A SATIRE
written by a non-journalist
I was walking out of Illegal Pete’s the other day, when I happened to see Max Karson come out of the women’s restroom.
I didn’t say anything. I figured Max Karson has a right to do what he wants. It’s not like he’s violated an actual law. So I decided to do the stereotypical Asian thing, and just keep my opinion to myself.
“Hey, aren’t you Max Karson?” I asked.
“Wow, I’m so glad you recognized me. I’ve worked very hard to get recognized in public,” Max bragged.
“So…where ya headed Max?” Not that I actually cared. Just making polite conversation.
“Well, coincidentally, I’m off to buy a dog,” giving me a little nudge.
“What do you mean, ‘coincidentally’?” I nudged back.
“You’re people are experts on dog, no?”
I was about to say something, but then I decided he had a right to his opinion, and once again, I decided to do the stereotypical thing, and just keep my opinion to myself.
“Why are you getting a dog?” I diverted.
“Well, let me ask you this: do you think if I put peanut butter on my butt, and made the puppy lick me, would that be controversial?”
Did he really ask me that? I couldn’t have heard that correctly. How would one not know if that would be controversial?
“Sure,” I said in my most non-judgmental voice. After all, he’s only talking about it. It’s not like he’s actually going to do this, right? It’s just talk. So, he has the right to say what he is or is not going to do. So I said nothing.
“So you think it would get a lot of attention?” Max asked.
“Definitely. Especially with that recent Arvada dog case,” I said.
“What dog case?”
“You know. Rolo, the German shepherd that might get euthanized?”
It’s been all over the papers. I don’t even own a dog, and I know about it. Hmm. I guess we do know a lot about dogs.
Max just had a blank look on his face. Then his face lit up as if he had just reached enlightenment.com
“That’s perfect!” he exclaimed, “I can say it’s a satire about putting animals down. And it’ll get a lot of press, which means more people will know about me,” he explained.
I was going to tell him that perhaps he should rethink his position, but that would be self-righteous of me, wouldn’t it? I mean, it’s just satire, right? It’s not like he actually DID anything. It’s just talk, right?
Max turned around and went back into the women’s restroom, “I need to think about this more.”
I wanted to stop him, but who am I to tell him what’s right and what’s wrong? He’s entitled to his opinion. It’s not like he actually DID anything. He’s just talking for now, right?
So I decided to do the stereotypical Asian thing, and just keep my opinion to myself.
February 28, 2008
5:15 a.m.
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ExploitAsian writes:
CAMPUS PRESS WRITES RED HERRINGS
written by a non-journalist
I have the following questions:
1. Were there any more relevant, Asian/racial/campus stories that Karson could have chosen to write about? YES.
2. Could Karson have written better satire? YES.
3. Is Karson's world view old news? YES.
First, there are many people who want to try to minimize/trivialize this issue. There are people who want to spin this into dozens of other topics. At the end of the day, this is about journalism. The reason why there is so much bad journalism today – constant obsession of mainstream news covering celebrity gossip, for example – can all be traced back to poor journalism at the university level. This why I'm so upset over how this issue is being cover by Campus Press.
This is not about free speech or limiting free speech. That's what the Campus Press wants us to believe. This is about good journalism versus bad journalism. Bad journalism is indefensible, and that's what the Campus Press doesn't want us to focus on.
I don't know if Karson is a racist, and I don't care. He can believe whatever he wants just like the rest of us. Campus Press has the right to print what it wants. That's not what upsets me. What upsets me is when they try to defend bad writing and poor editorial decisions behind the banner of free speech. What upsets me is when they try to pass of Karson's beliefs as showing "a diversity of opinions." There is nothing diverse about his opinion; his view is the mainstream if you ask me. I've heard it all before, except normally there is a burning cross behind him.
Karson's writing is not going to win any awards, and he knows it. And how dare he compare his writing to The Daily Show or The Onion. Not even close bud. Karson's rant is high school diary at best. The editor knows it's not great writing either, yet he/she still gave it a greenlight. This lack of judgment alone is enough to question the editor's journalistic standards.
There is nothing new about Karson's point of view, doesn't really say anything relevant, and, most importantly, it's poorly written. Is this really the best Campus Press could have written that day? Couldn't they have said, "Karson, we think you can write better than this."
So what does Campus Press do? Instead of writing about the so-called racial tension that allegedly sparked Karson's rant, they write an article about the definition of the word "satire." Um. You're on a college campus, I think everyone either has a dictionary, or knows about Google. Again, wasted printed space to defend bad journalism rather than focusing on the actual racial tensions. Hey, can you look up the term "red herring"? Or are you writing too many stories about how you're changing policies at the Campus Press, which should have been there IN THE FIRST PLACE.
February 28, 2008
5:16 a.m.
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ExploitAsian writes:
Oh, BTW. By defending it as a "satire", they are admitting they found the material funny, or how could you call it a satire? Wow, a newspaper that admits making fun of Asians is funny. Is that good journalism?
Campus Press does not care about journalism. They care about publicity. That's all.
I expect the truth from journalist, as naive as that sounds. I expect them to report something that is true, accurate, and relevant. Karson's article was none of those. I don't care if it comes in the form of a comic strip, a blog, or a story in The Onion, I expect better from the 4th estate. I think The Onion has more integrity than the Campus Press to tell you the truth; talk about good satire and good writing.
It's not about free speech. It's not even about race. And it's not about apologies. Right now, I have a hard time trusting any words that come from the Campus Press. Actions speak louder than words. Until Karson and the editor voluntarily and immediately step down from their position, I'm going to have a hard time trusting any words that come from the Campus Press.
March 1, 2008
8:06 p.m.
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Wenjaman writes:
If that article was about Jews, it would have been in the trash can faster than Halle Berry can say "Jewish nose".
I am honestly sick and tired of this Hollywood dictated racism. Oh it's alright to make fun of the Asians and the Arabs but make one crack about the Holocaust and the 'freedom of speech' goes to hell.
Keep up with the double standards mate. You obviously didn't learn your lesson after 9/11.
March 1, 2008
8:13 p.m.
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Wenjaman writes:
"Many white bigots fear a Chinesse Planet by 2065 in which all other races are slaves or killed by Asians."
Ah well, look at it this way. Instead of enslaving you all as we should to fulfill karma, we're killing you to spare you a long, pointless life as a slave.
Aren't we nice.
March 28, 2008
10:16 a.m.
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kanne48 writes:
I may get some racially charged comments regarding the article but Karson does raise some valid issues. From a different perspective I AM Asian and grew up here in America(was adopted by a couple from Iowa)and I have had nothing but rudeness toward me by other Asians while growing up. I feel the Asians I encountered already were biased toward me because I was "too American" in their eyes and therefore there was never any attempt on their part to get to know me or embrace me into the Asian communities even though I tried to be polite and try to "fit in".
Personally I have found many Asians to be very racist against other Asians(eg: Koreans hating the Japanese, etc.) without merit. What has happened in the past history affects how some Asians treat other Asians today.
I have been stereotyped quite often growing up and disappointed many because I was NOT the "smart Asian" they thought I'd be, have the money or the career that "Asians are supposed to have". I have been asked why I don't have or work in a donut shop, nail salon, Asian restaurant, or in the medical field-again stereotyping.
So yes, I have to agree that even some Asians can lead others to view them as arrogant, ethnocentric, and better than other groups. It's all in how they carry themselves-do they include themselves along with everyone else or do they prefer to keep to their "own"?