Eldora gunman killed his cat before deadly rampage
By Kevin Vaughan, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published December 30, 2008 at 8:31 a.m.
Updated December 31, 2008 at 11:16 a.m.
Javier Manzano © The Rocky
Nederland Police shot and killed a man at the side of Peakview Road after he shot a worker at the Eldora Ski resort today. The vehicle (on the left) had multiple gunshot holes on the windshield, and police said that they opened fire after the suspect shot at a sheriff's deputy (vehicle on the right - which had three bullet holes (two on the hood and one on the windshield).
Photo by Eldora Mountain Resort
Brian Mahon, General Manager of Eldora, was shot to death by a fellow employee Tuesday morning at the ski area.
If you or someone you know witnessed the events at Eldora today and would like to help us with the story, e-mail metro@rockymountainnews.com with the account and contact info.
Photo by Barry Gutierrez © The Rocky
Matthew Koehorst, 21, (an Eldora employee who was in the room when the shooting occurred) leaves the Nederland Community Center after witnessing the shooting the Eldora Ski Resort . Says Matthew: "Brian was just unlucky -- a complete fluke. If it wasn't Brian, it could've been me next. I was next in line. That was the most terrifying experience of my life. I'm not gonna go through that again."
NEDERLAND — Authorities believe the gunman who killed the general manager at Eldora Mountain Resort Tuesday morning also killed his cat before embarking on a deadly rampage.
The gunman, Derik A. Bonestroo, 24, of Nederland, died during a standoff with a sheriff's deputy on a scenic highway several miles away not long after the shooting at Eldora.
Boulder Sheriff Cmdr. Phil West confirmed Wednesday that investigators found his cat dead from a knife or gunshot wound when they searched Bonestroo's apartment where he lived alone.
Officers also searched his parents' home in rural Boulder County near Hygiene, including the room where Bonestroo stayed.
Bonestroo, who was not well-known in the laid-back mountain community and had worked only this season as a lift operator, fired a bullet into the ceiling of the resort's locker room after saying something along the lines of: "I'm a Christian and if you're not a Christian I'm here to convert you."
West said that Bonestroo asked resort manager Brian Mahon about his own beliefs. Mahon told the gunman he was Catholic before being shot to death.
West said witnesses told conflicting accounts about what Bonestroo's exact words were.
This is what investigators say happened: Bonestroo walked into the locker room dressed in black, a pistol in his hand, shouting about religion before firing a shot into the ceiling.
Mahon, a 49-year-old married father of two daughters, was in an adjacent room and burst into the locker room when he heard the shot. Within seconds, the popular general manager lay dead.
Bonestroo graduated in 2003 from Lyons High School, where he played on the football team. He doesn't have a criminal record in Colorado, according to the Colorado Bureau of Investigation.
"His motive at this point is still open to speculation," West said.
'Very agitated and angry'
The trouble apparently started in town a little before 7 a.m. when Cynthia Davis, an employee at the local newspaper, the Nederland Mountain Ear, awakened to someone pounding on her front door. After Davis answered, she was confronted by a tall, slender man with a pistol strapped to his right thigh and dressed in black.
The man, whom Davis described as "very agitated and angry," was looking for some former neighbors of hers who worked at the ski area.
"I don't know where they are — leave me alone," she told the man, and he left.
Her neighbors, whom she did not identify, moved out of town recently. Davis said she did not call police, in part because she didn't believe her eyes as she stared at the pistol.
"I kept telling myself that it had to be a walkie- talkie or something because it didn't make sense why he would have a weapon," Davis said. "I thought he was a cop."
Five miles west of town, at the Eldora ski area, lift operators trickled into the locker room in the pump house near the base for their regular morning meeting. Outside, bitter winds howled through the valleys.
Shortly after 7 a.m., between 15 and 20 workers were in the room when Bonestroo entered.
Rob Linde, spokesman for the resort, said the man was a lift operator who had been hired for this ski season.
Bonestroo spewed something religious — a statement that was heard differently by witnesses.
"There are various interpretations of what was said," Cmdr. West said.
Then the man fired a single shot through the ceiling from his black handgun, West said.
Mahon, working in an adjacent room, stepped through a door to investigate.
According to witnesses, the shooter asked Mahon which religion he believed in. When Mahon answered that he was a Catholic, the shooter fired at him, several witnesses said. Bonestroo shot Mahon twice, once in the chest, once in the head.
"I was scared for my life — as scared as I've ever been," said Fabio Sales, who was in the room.
Several workers called 911. It was 7:26 a.m.
Gunbattle erupts
Deputy John Seifert, who has been with the department for nearly four years and had prior law enforcement experience, was on patrol in the area. After hearing the radio call, he sped toward the resort.
Near Nederland High School, on County Road 130, Seifert saw Bonestroo's gold Infiniti pass him going the other way. Seifert turned around to pursue the sedan.
In Nederland, Bonestroo turned onto Colorado 119, the winding two-lane road known as the Peak to Peak Highway for its majestic views of snow-capped mountains. About a mile south of the city, on a sweeping curve, Bonestroo pulled onto the shoulder.
A moment later, Bonestroo started firing at Seifert's Tahoe, which was parked about 60 feet behind him — either after opening the driver's door or leaning out the window, Cmdr. West said. Bullets tore through the radiator, hood and windshield, spraying Seifert with glass as he scrambled out the driver's door with his AR-15 semiautomatic rifle.
Seifert took up a position near the right rear corner of his vehicle, West said, and opened fire, killing Bonestroo, who slumped behind the wheel. Seifert escaped with some minor cuts.
As investigators worked at the scene, bullet holes could be seen in the back window and windshield of the Infiniti.
Someone living along the highway called 911 to report gunfire. That call came in at 7:36 a.m.
Resort reopened today
The ski area was closed Tuesday, but reopened today — and traffic was diverted around a section of Colorado 119 for most of the day.
West said investigators were perplexed as to what led to the violence. West said friends of the gunman indicated that he had been "experiencing some emotional crisis," but he did not elaborate.
News staff writer James B. Meadow contributed to this report.
The Daily Camera and Associated Press contributed to this report.
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December 30, 2008
9:17 a.m.
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GILPINMAN writes:
HWY 119 CLOSED.
COP SHOT SUSPECT AT MILE MARKER 25
CORONER EN ROUTE
BOMB SQUAD EN ROUTE
POSSIBLE SHOOTING AT ELDORA SKI RESORT
COMAND CENTER AT TEEN CENTER
BOULDER COUNTY SHERIF WAS SHOT
December 30, 2008
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GILPINMAN writes:
SUSPECT SHOT GIRL AT ELDORA SKI RESORT
December 30, 2008
9:50 a.m.
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GILPINMAN writes:
PEOPLE FROM ELDORA BEING TAKEN TO NEDERLAND TEEN CENTER FOR INTERVIEWING.
SCANNERS ARE COOL
December 30, 2008
9:53 a.m.
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PeanutGallery writes:
Wannabe reporter Gil?
December 30, 2008
9:58 a.m.
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COLibertarian writes:
Hey PeanutGallery,
From what you have read above and what you have read by Gil. where do you put your credibility at this point in time as it pertains to information?
December 30, 2008
10:18 a.m.
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GILPINMAN writes:
Just listening to it live little peanut.
December 30, 2008
10:21 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
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COLibertarian writes:
Hey PeanutGallery,
From what you have read above and what you have read by Gil. where do you put your credibility at this point in time as it pertains to information?
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from the police scanner he is clearly listening, to. geez. dispatch can tell a lot about the scene of a crime that even the cops won't tell you
December 30, 2008
10:32 a.m.
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GILPINMAN writes:
pump house operator killed at 7am by another employee shooter fled area and was stoped on hwy 119 by boulder county sheriff shooter was killed by officer.
December 30, 2008
10:44 a.m.
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smith writes:
COLibertarian:
I trust the Police Scanner! I've always wondered why they can't just make an RSS feed out of it. It would make all of these "news agencies" find something more productive to do. This news piece was a joint production of the News, Camera, and CBS4. What a joke!
December 30, 2008
10:44 a.m.
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COLibertarian writes:
Thanks DenverB
Peanut makes a back handed remark to Gilpin and I post an obvious statement and I get bi&8ch slapped?
Merry Xmas and Happy New Years to you DenverB
December 30, 2008
10:46 a.m.
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COLibertarian writes:
I agree smith......just thought the backhanded remark from peanutgallery was in need of a response :-)
December 30, 2008
10:47 a.m.
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Mtn_Girl writes:
Don't believe everything you read in the online comments section of a news story.
9 news is now reporting that the shooter was wounded, not killed.
It is my understanding that the victim is a male, not a female.
There will be a news conference soon, and then the details will be known.
In the meantime, my heart breaks for the victim's family and my thoughts and prayers go out to all who witnessed this tragic event.
December 30, 2008
10:50 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
COL,
i clearly misread who wrote what above.
don't take stuff so personally on here, bud.
-b
December 30, 2008
10:52 a.m.
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GILPINMAN writes:
bomb squad has package...
December 30, 2008
10:52 a.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
im in the middle of a four day bender right now, honestly, and am clearly not thinking straight.
two more nights to go...
December 30, 2008
11 a.m.
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HopiMedicineMan writes:
There's been a shooting or two every day. I'm surprised and a little disappointed the anti-gun compsognathusi haven't come out of the forest.
December 30, 2008
11:03 a.m.
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GILPINMAN writes:
x-raying the pakage...
December 30, 2008
11:08 a.m.
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HopiMedicineMan writes:
Gilpinman
Don't think I'd ever want that.
December 30, 2008
11:12 a.m.
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AvsIn7 writes:
Another granola banger who has no respect for life. Probably grew up on the streets of Nederland and never was able to escape it.
December 30, 2008
11:17 a.m.
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COLibertarian writes:
Dammit DenverB.......You dont take things so personally :-) I should have put smiley faces for sarcasm on my last post also.
And I am taking the fact that I am at work and you have 2 more days of a bender to be on and I am not :-)
December 30, 2008
11:24 a.m.
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GILPINMAN writes:
AND THE PAKAGE IS.....
COCANE!
NOW THERE IS A DISTURBANCE AT THE PIONEER IN.
December 30, 2008
11:26 a.m.
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FACT writes:
I bet you want to blame this shooting on club vinyl and rap music as well! As I said violence comes from every background.
December 30, 2008
11:34 a.m.
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GILPINMAN writes:
My bet is someone thought they would get a bunch of coke for free. All they had to do is kill the seller.
I can't wait to find out who it was... or I'm dreading finding out who it was.
December 30, 2008
11:36 a.m.
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johnson writes:
Keep 'em coming Gil........................
December 30, 2008
11:36 a.m.
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joggle writes:
I was wondering what that Boulder police RV was doing when I was heading to work this morning. I passed it as it was turning from 28th St onto Canyon this morning at a little after 9am. Must have been the bomb squad.
December 30, 2008
11:36 a.m.
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5280FANatic writes:
There are a lot of J1 workers at Eldora from overseas.
December 30, 2008
11:43 a.m.
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work4aliving writes:
these are our friends and co-workers. 2 young daughters now have no father. a wife has lost her husband. come to the Pioneer Inn later if you care to discuss this ( on the streets of Nederland ).
December 30, 2008
11:54 a.m.
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riverrafter writes:
Nice grouping on the windsheild. Someone's been to the gun range.
December 30, 2008
11:58 a.m.
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smith writes:
Go Gil, Go!
Someone at the Rocky hire this guy!
December 30, 2008
12:03 p.m.
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666 writes:
HopiMedicineMan writes:
"There's been a shooting or two every day. I'm surprised and a little disappointed the anti-gun compsognathusi haven't come out of the forest."
It's compsognathi, for the plural...if it ends in -us for the singular, it's -i for the plural.
Not that I'm declaring myself to be one of those paleosaurids, mind. Just correcting your error.
Everyone, you heard HMM and friends...this guy was just exercising his 2nd amendment rights, so back off. Lord knows that more guns means a safer America, just like the reactionaries and libertarians like to say.
December 30, 2008
12:06 p.m.
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gs writes:
Used Infinity for sale soon. New windshield.
December 30, 2008
12:07 p.m.
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OnlyOne_12 writes:
My father works at Eldora and got the scoop. out of respect of the families and friends who know the people involved i will not say names as i would not want to read about it online if i were in the same situation.
This is what he heard. A lift operator for Eldora went to the main area where lessons are held (in between indian peaks lodge and the pumphouse/locker room area) with a 9mm and said anyone who was not his religion was going to die today. a manager at the resort confronted the lift operator and was then shot twice in the stomach. this occured in the pumphouse. the pumphouse holds the hoses and stuff for making snow, above that is the lift operators locker room and connected to that, is another ski instructor locker room. after that the shooter took off, shooting at a police car and then was shot about 2 miles down the road. i heard he was killed.
thats what i heard.
My thoughts go out to everyone involved.
December 30, 2008
12:15 p.m.
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COLibertarian writes:
666
As 1 of the libertarians you chose to address in the above post, I will respond.
I am in no way a reactionary. Would I not be a reactionary, if, at every time a gun was used in a crime, to justify the elimination of our (yours and mine) Costitutional rights?
"Since Jonny has been a bad boy......the entire 2nd grade class will be kept in at recess......"
I love to see when people try to "trim down, reduce and eliminate" rights and freedoms of people, they ignore or fail to look at root causes to the problems. They look to "easy" answers, rather than look to solving the problem. Unfortunately this happens on both sides of the political aisle on different issues.
666 you may seem to think that it is ok to restrict rights and freedoms if it fits your idealogy...... but I will bet that there are times that some group has bit into your freedoms and rights and you have not taken kindly to that "bite".
The reality here is the fact that I as a Libertarian will stand side-by-side with you defending the loss of your freedoms and rights whether or not I agree or disagree with your point of view. Will you stand by others and I to defend the rights and freedoms of those you disagree with?
December 30, 2008
12:19 p.m.
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GILPINMAN writes:
POLICE LOOKING FOR 180# MALE REDISH BROWN HAIR IN NED.
THE SHOOTERS NAME IS DEREK
I know the victims name but I won't post it... he was a friend of my wife and a good man.
investigation at house in pinecliff. road closed.
if you blow up the second picture he is still in the car leaning on the steering wheel.
December 30, 2008
12:21 p.m.
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buzzman writes:
Right onj river rafter--just what I thought NICE GROUP OFFICER-
anothr bad guy gets a lead facial
December 30, 2008
12:33 p.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
Yep, scanners are nice. Police beat REPORTERS used them to gather NEWS, and not just publish what the PIO TELLS THEM...
AND WHEN THE SCANNER CONTRADICTS, THEY ASKED THE TOUGH QUESTIONS!!!
You know, the Ws and an H of REPORTING THE NEWS!!!
Back OT...
Making the news can be hazardous to your health.....
Somebody must have been really PO'd to do this...
And maybe a REPORTER will tell us why...
December 30, 2008
12:34 p.m.
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dilligaf writes:
Crazy Crazy world. Oh and I didn't attack you COLibertarian. Have a Happy New Year.
December 30, 2008
12:36 p.m.
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GILPINMAN writes:
get this... some people that were witnesses have active warrants.
at least 1 from longmont.
the infinity was owned by someone else other than the shooter.
WHO? WHAT DID YOU SAY HAPEND TO MY CAR? AND THEY ARE LOOKING FOR ME? SHIZNAT!
December 30, 2008
12:36 p.m.
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blondiearvada writes:
Waiting for the latest update Gilpinman. This is better than any info offered so far.
December 30, 2008
12:42 p.m.
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GILPINMAN writes:
As soon as I can I will get the full story from a friend of mine at the NPD. I would have called him already but I have a feeling they are a little bit buisy right now.
December 30, 2008
12:44 p.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
Any way you cut it - shooting at the cops is a bad idea every time.
December 30, 2008
12:45 p.m.
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cmgreenw writes:
Gilpinman seems to be contradicting himself - first he says a girl was shot then a guy - which is it? Who are we to believe?
December 30, 2008
12:49 p.m.
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Hope writes:
Out of all the comments...no one has said anything about the obvious>>>>>FATAL shooting leads to DEATH. Don't "fatal" anythings mean death???
December 30, 2008
12:49 p.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
Dayamn, who need JOURNALISTS when we have REPORTERS??
e-news is the wave of the future!
add some access to the gear that the cops already have and you have REAL REALITY shows...
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We await more REPORTS from a REPORTER
December 30, 2008
12:49 p.m.
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mt writes:
Why did the cop have to kill this guy. Couldn't he have tazered him or used pepperspray? Now we will never be able to get the shooter the treatment he needs so he can be a valuable member of the prison society. We need to train the police better. Aim for the trigger finger of the shooter so he is not able to use the gun anymore. The cop I assume was wearing a bullet proof vest so he had no reason to be afraid of the shooter. What a world!!
December 30, 2008
12:52 p.m.
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GILPINMAN writes:
cmgreenw... it was confusion because the police were talking about a girl on the ski team first thing this morning and it sounded like she was the "wounded victim" it turned out she was a histerical witness. I think I clarified that is was a man that was shot.
more as I get it.
December 30, 2008
12:54 p.m.
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COLibertarian writes:
Happy New Year Dilligaf
December 30, 2008
1 p.m.
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GILPINMAN writes:
mt... the cop that ended the life of the shooter was not the one that was in the vehicle that was being shot at by the bad guy. The officer saved the life of a fellow officer, and just in time. The bad guy was paying all of his attention to who he was shooting at and didn't see the officer pull up in front of his car to give him his much needed lead breakfast.
and yes I know you are being sarcastic.
December 30, 2008
1:02 p.m.
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Acemon writes:
The fast-breaking story alleged "An employee at the Eldora ski area shot and killed a fellow worker this morning, then was gunned down a short time later in a shootout with a Boulder County sheriff's deputy."
Gilpinman recently reported "POLICE LOOKING FOR 180# MALE REDISH BROWN HAIR IN NED.
THE SHOOTERS NAME IS DEREK"
Which is it? The guy's dead or on the run?
December 30, 2008
1:07 p.m.
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davies writes:
Hey Peeps! We have the 'live' reporter, where's the 'investigative' reporter?!? As in:
Deputy was chasing suspect. Suspect stops, fires at deputy's car. Bullet holes in front of deputy's car, parked behind suspect's car, appears to confirm this.
So why do the bullet holes in the suspect's car appear to have come from in front of the car, if the deputy was behind him? Is the deputy supposed to have run out to get in front of a guy who was shooting at him, so the deputy could have a clear shot? Hmmmm...
December 30, 2008
1:07 p.m.
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666 writes:
According to the libertarians and card carrying NRA Republicans, this guy was just exercising his right to bear arms.
And don't forget, as per the libertarians and anarchists...common sense and protection of the greater good don't matter as long as the people are free to do whatever the hell they want.
December 30, 2008
1:07 p.m.
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BMat writes:
December 30, 2008
12:19 p.m.
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GILPINMAN writes:
POLICE LOOKING FOR 180# MALE REDISH BROWN HAIR IN NED.
THE SHOOTERS NAME IS DEREK
I know the victims name but I won't post it... he was a friend of my wife and a good man.
investigation at house in pinecliff. road closed.
if you blow up the second picture he is still in the car leaning on the steering wheel.
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I love the dork w/a police scanner trying to prove to everyone that he shudda been a reporter.
He dutifully relayed all the facts gleaned from the scanner w/o interpretation until he learns that he or his wife may have known the victim. After that he censors whatever he thinks he should.
Hey GilpinMan - is that all there is to do in Gilpin County? Why don't you go fix your still or something?
December 30, 2008
1:10 p.m.
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Mtn_Girl writes:
Mt: read the story, look at the photos. The shooter open fired on the cop when he was pulled over, and after he had already killed a man.
Who are you people?
December 30, 2008
1:11 p.m.
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Planner writes:
Its because the victim is a well known person, that and scanner details are far different than a persons name. Its why they never say the names on the air as its easily obtained.
December 30, 2008
1:16 p.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
This incident is a repeat of what happened with some field gear we were testing several years ago...we " saw " a takedown live with it....in the upper Metro area...
Too bad the cops wouldn't buy into the equipment. It would have policed them too...
I await more REPORTS...
December 30, 2008
1:16 p.m.
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GeneseeBoy writes:
GILPINMAN is no reporter. Just someone with too much time on his hands. You can thank real reporters at the RMN for this web page. Without it people like GILPINMAN may never get their jollies.
December 30, 2008
1:20 p.m.
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COLibertarian writes:
666
Care to answer the questions posed of you rather than harping on partisan talking points.................
"Whatever the hell they want"
Nice quote 666. Care to elaborate or create dialogue based upon your views and reasons you wish to restrict or eliminate the 2nd amendment at an adult level?
Also
"According to the libertarians and card carrying NRA Republicans, this guy was just exercising his right to bear arms"
Exactly where have you witnessed this within this thread????
He shot and killed someone. From all accounts it was NOT self defense. It was a murder. Not sure where that is allowed in any libertarian handbook. Again taking the easy way out. Get to root cause. The gun was not root cause. The behaviour was!
Common sense my friend. Common sense.....but I have seen that you have quit using the word reactionary!
I would like to see your ringing endorsement of the Patriot Act and how you are safer because of it.
December 30, 2008
1:21 p.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
GenesseBoy:
GILPINMAN is a CITIZEN. Actively doing something. Critics like you are just TROLLS. We have a site where your ilk can say anything you want..
www.trollvalhalla.com
We are waiting...
I await REPORTS. Not JOURNALISM.
December 30, 2008
1:24 p.m.
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mt writes:
Mtn Girl, I would hope that you would understand sarcasm when you see it however with some of the posts I see here I also understand why you may have taken me serious. Gilpinman thanks for catching on. It is my personal belief that anyone dumb enough to point a gun at a cop let alone fire one deserves everything he gets. That includes death. Shooting the trigger finger is actually a post I saw in here a few months back. The idiocity of some people really gives me a chuckle!!
December 30, 2008
1:24 p.m.
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Rex writes:
Gil, dude, it's 1:19, and do we have an update?
You know, your last post cleared up a blaring discrepancy from the reported story. After reading the story I found myself asking “how did the perp get his windshield peppered if he was having a shootout with an officer that was behind him?”
Nice reporting Gil.
December 30, 2008
1:28 p.m.
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Planner writes:
The Daily Camera has a bit more info for those curious.
December 30, 2008
1:31 p.m.
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COLibertarian writes:
A little "office pool" anyone?
Who ceases to exist first? RMN or Gil?
To Gil, A long healthy and prosperous life.
RMN.... Tick tock tick tock
December 30, 2008
1:42 p.m.
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HorseFreak writes:
I grew up in Nederland and went to Highschool there. This is not surprising to me there is a lot of drug activity there. Thank you Gilpinman for the updates.
Hey BMat if you read all the post I guess you would have noticed the suspect was driving someone elses car. Maybe they are looking for the owner of the vehicle. If you have ever listened to a police scanner which I don't think you have it can be very confusing to figure out what exactly they are talking about so lay off!!
December 30, 2008
1:42 p.m.
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johnson writes:
"the deputy is a member of the Boulder County Sheriff's SWAT team and a shooting instructor." Explains the nice grouping. More in depth info at the Post
December 30, 2008
1:52 p.m.
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Planner writes:
Johnson the post has a picture showing the rear of the car. Where there is a grouping too. So it seems as if the shooting came from the rear with the first officer and the front with the second that arrived shortly after. Well thats my speculation at least.
December 30, 2008
1:57 p.m.
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whoareyoupeople writes:
How can you people talk so dispassionately about the death of a loving husband and father. He was also a respected member of his community. Even those of you who refrained from giving his name did not say whether or not you knew him personally. Facts are all well and good, but where is your compassion for his family?
Voyeurism is not attractive - it is goulish. Shame on you.
December 30, 2008
1:59 p.m.
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BMat writes:
December 30, 2008
1:42 p.m.
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HorseFreak writes:
I grew up in Nederland and went to Highschool there. This is not surprising to me there is a lot of drug activity there. Thank you Gilpinman for the updates.
Hey BMat if you read all the post I guess you would have noticed the suspect was driving someone elses car. Maybe they are looking for the owner of the vehicle. If you have ever listened to a police scanner which I don't think you have it can be very confusing to figure out what exactly they are talking about so lay off!!
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Sounds like a good reason for your buddy GM to stop posting everything he hears on the scanner. Que, no?
Leave me alone and go get freaky with your horses. Or whatever you do after you and GM put down the scanner.
December 30, 2008
2 p.m.
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Winthrop writes:
Keep it up, GIL
Don't let that Pond Scum in the Peoples Republic of Boulder, get to you.
Feed NATHAN!
December 30, 2008
2:08 p.m.
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bockclocker writes:
The only reason this is a news story is that it happened to rich white kids. This type of thing happens to illegals every day and it's not even reported most of the time.
December 30, 2008
2:12 p.m.
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HorseFreak writes:
Rich White kids you have never been to Nederland have you?
December 30, 2008
2:19 p.m.
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HorseFreak writes:
Obviously there are a lot of people that like to post here that have to make themselves feel better by bringing other people down.
December 30, 2008
2:25 p.m.
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sheepherder writes:
BMat is a troll Horsefreak...just ignore that ignoramous...
December 30, 2008
2:26 p.m.
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whoareyoupeople writes:
Paranoid just a bit bockclocker? Even if he was white, his family deserves the respect of the public recognizing that this was a tragedy. How would you feel if your father was shot for simply being in the wrong place, at the wrong time, with the wrong person? Would it matter to you what color his skin was? I would hope not.
December 30, 2008
2:29 p.m.
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bockclocker writes:
All I'm saying is the newspaper doesn't cover stories of shootouts with illegals like it is here with thier darling white kid.
What a pearl they've stumbled into here!
December 30, 2008
2:39 p.m.
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whoareyoupeople writes:
Give us a concrete example of which you have personal knowledge. It is easy to cast aspersions - when you have no guilty party to name, no facts to site. Even if you only have your own witness to claim, why don't or why didn't you come forward?
December 30, 2008
2:39 p.m.
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bira44 writes:
Geez, MT. Take off the lib blinders for just a moment.
Were you the cop (please don't go into law enforcement, MT, we need real men and women in that job) and tried to face a 9mm with a weenie tazer from 30 feet you would now be taking a dirt nap, the third victim of this loon, bullet proof vest or not.
The officer was totally in the right. He is a true hero.
December 30, 2008
3:03 p.m.
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HorseFreak writes:
I have a friend who is a Nederland Cop I am waiting for an update from him. I won't release any names out of respect for the families though.
December 30, 2008
3:04 p.m.
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fifty writes:
The person who was killed was a male, named Brian. It is right in this news story.
Drug usage may have been a factor. There are also paranoid delusional people who manage to hold it together during work, except they are quiet and so no one knows what is going on in their minds. Then they have a bad day and something like this occurs.
Good job by the police officer. This person could have stopped elsewhere (his apartment or house for example) and killed more people. I'm glad to see that the officer was backed up by his superior officer. It probably helps when an officer has a very bad day to have something nice said about him rather than treat him like a toxic entity (he will be on leave pending an investigation).
December 30, 2008
3:06 p.m.
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HorseFreak writes:
Bira MT was being sarcastic.
December 30, 2008
3:07 p.m.
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bockclocker writes:
how many illegals has your buddy shot this month?
December 30, 2008
3:10 p.m.
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sheepherder writes:
Wow MT...your sarcasm is way over the heads today..lol.
bockclocker...illegal violence is reported on and discussed on here daily...
December 30, 2008
3:11 p.m.
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riosmom6 writes:
Mt's post was TOTALLY sarcastic - He was merely echoing some of the posts written everytime a cop is involved in something. It's just dry humor! I got it MT.
December 30, 2008
3:23 p.m.
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sheepherder writes:
bockclocker...are you TRYING to say that cops shoot illegals every day and it's not reported?
December 30, 2008
3:32 p.m.
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HorseFreak writes:
fifty they have updated the story a bit since most of us last read it.
December 30, 2008
3:53 p.m.
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Acemon writes:
According to the latest update here at the Rocky, the employee was asking others about their religious beliefs before he started shooting. Was he religious or an atheist or a Heavens Gate believer? I'd put my money on the religious choice.
Of course, our resident troll LetsThink (who seems to be on a holiday) would clearly (or obliquely) state the killer was "no Christian" because he killed.
December 30, 2008
3:54 p.m.
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bockclocker writes:
the only reason this story is "tragic" is because the whiteness of the shooter.
When this type of story breaks on illegals you guys aren't posting minute by minute updates from your police scanners.
December 30, 2008
3:56 p.m.
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davies writes:
"This would be the best of all possible discussion threads, if there were no dumba$$es on it." - davies
December 30, 2008
4:01 p.m.
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ThingFish writes:
Another crazy gun carrying christian.
December 30, 2008
4:04 p.m.
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davies writes:
bockclocker: Stories are generally more newsworthy when the unexpected happens.
December 30, 2008
4:04 p.m.
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December 30, 2008
4:06 p.m.
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HorseFreak writes:
This story is so big because Nederland is a small town and there has only ever been one shooting there and it was like 30 years ago or longer.
December 30, 2008
4:19 p.m.
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HorseFreak writes:
Nederland is far from white-bread it is full of stinky Hippie's that live in tents year round. Boulder Yuppies that have enough money to but houses there. Also a bunch of very bored teenagers and stoners that have nothing better to do but get high all day.
December 30, 2008
4:43 p.m.
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Nedhead writes:
you are all sad... sad... people. A man died today at the hand of a crazed teenager and you bicker like a sewing circle, and to the people who are racially motivated here, to think that a story is being covered solely because the gunman is white is ignorant. The story is being covered because the gunman was CRAZY, and the American public is sick and likes to hear about crazy people doing crazy things... You don't hear about the constant drug and gang related murders because that's what people expect, they are not surprised to hear that a drug dealer was gunned down or a gang made a drive by.
December 30, 2008
4:46 p.m.
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Spencer writes:
good job by the deputy (I think)
December 30, 2008
5:06 p.m.
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GILPINMAN writes:
the name I gave was of the shooter not the victim.
I talked to brian "the victim" just the other day, I will miss him.
To the critics... aparently I wasted my time telling you what was going on, I was just relaying what I knew.
about my too mutch extra time on my hands... I'm the boss so I do what I want when I want. It took 15 plus years of 70hr weeks to get to do that. I sit at a computer because I am doing paperwork, this post has just been a release from the monotany. most of the people on here are "working for a company" wasting someone elses time. This has been a sad couple of weeks up here. First mike now brian:( not a good december.
December 30, 2008
5:10 p.m.
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GILPINMAN writes:
the guy with redish brown hair the cops were looking for was the owner of the infinity. not the shooter.
December 30, 2008
5:20 p.m.
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GILPINMAN writes:
and yes it is hard to keep track of what is going on on a scanner. I will assume that brian had nothing to do with the drugs but the idiot that shot him was definitely on something to do such a horrible thing.
December 30, 2008
5:24 p.m.
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Acemon writes:
Here's more proof of the "calming" effect of religion.
December 30, 2008
5:25 p.m.
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NedRes08 writes:
Hey horsefreak, you sound more like a complete jackass when you talk about Nederland like that. Obviously you know nothing about our community and just like to flap your gums to hear yourself talk.
For the record, the deceased was a well respected active member of this community and will be sorely missed.
Those of us who knew him and even those who didn't know him at all will gather as a community tonight to support one another as we have whenever there has been a tragedy here, and we will get through this as a community as we always have.
It's a shame that people like you don't get what we are all about up here but just as well, you can keep to yourself wherever it is you live 'down below'.
And also for the record, my teenage daughter is part of the National Honor Society and was on the State Champion Nederland Cross Country team.
You really ought to try thinking before you run your mouth about things you know nothing about.
December 30, 2008
5:26 p.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
GILPINMAN:
Thanks for the good REPORTING job. That was an example of what NEWSPAPERS, RADIO AND TV STATIONS USED TO DO!!!
Sorry about the losses. This hasn't been a good December for a lot of us....
For those of you who complain:
Remember the loss of the HINDENBERG? THAT WAS ANOTHER GOOD JOB OF REPORTING!!!
GILPINMAN just joined the ranks of a select few....that we don't see anymore...
INFORMATION, not INFOTAINMENT...
December 30, 2008
6:09 p.m.
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infidel91 writes:
Punnisher -- how did you acquire so much journalistic expertise?
December 30, 2008
6:12 p.m.
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GeneseeBoy writes:
This website and blog is not reporting. Nothing written after the story lines means squat, including the_punnisher, what a joke. Hiding behind some fantasy name from a comic book store.
Super geek.
I bet you don’t even read the paper. I’ll read the whole story tomorrow over a nice cup of joe. Buy a paper and save this precious reporting website. If the RMN closes so does this website and the_punnisher.
December 30, 2008
7:38 p.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
RE: Disappearing from the web..
Actually I won't. Our website, www.trollvalhalla.com is thriving...
I used support the Rocky and the comPOST. I even had subscriptions to BOTH, their boxes are still on my mailbox. Then the newsprint started turning into ADS, interspaced with INFOTAINMENT...
Why follow the AP when you can read OTHER LOCAL NEWS on the websites in a GLOBAL fashion? I get news straight from the actual country without the AP spin. You might want to try it sometime...
On the JOURNALIST issue, I REPORTED FACTS for a living. It is called the scientific method, perhaps you have heard of it...REPORTERS report FACTS, most journalist OMIT the facts that don't support their personal view..
You would be surprised at who I worked for. You would even be a bit more surprised ( and maybe a little worried ) at where his is now...
Genessee Boy, I even did a stint working in your area on certain GLOBAL SYSTEM software for the financial industry.
Yes, I was a supergeek among supergeniuses.. and if you are really smart, you can use the clues to figure out who I worked for.
I have dropped enough hints in my posts...
Because if I had not REPORTED FACTS, this discussion would not even exist...
And FACTS is dealing with REALITY, not wishful thinking and speculation....
December 30, 2008
8:08 p.m.
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barneyrubble writes:
GILPINMAN: Thank you. Awesome work keeping us informed.
It would appear there are a few RMN employees posting anonymously here using Bush-like tactics to scare us into having us only rely on THE(ir) establishment. In the end their methods will be just as effective as Bush's. Give us news and let us choose where we get our entertainment or change your name to Rocky Mountain Entertainment.
Fellow Libertarian and proud of it. Thank you Boulder Sheriffs Dept.
December 30, 2008
8:32 p.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
Ah, that would explain the reason I haven't seen these names turn up on our troll site. TV encourages trolls and trolling comments like the ones on the RMN lately...and you keep your handle too!
Just the four rules that our government requires..
and another one to discourage meaningless spam ( Large Hubble pictures, for example ).
Again, good job on REPORTING, GILPINMAN!
December 30, 2008
9:24 p.m.
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Ski_Bum writes:
This part of the story has really been bugging me. Can someone tell me if this person called the police, at any time, after the guy came knocking on her door at 6:45 with a gun strapped to his leg?
"Cynthia Davis, 35, awakened to a pounding on her front door about 6:50 a.m. When she opened the door, Davis was met by a tall, slender man in his early 20s with a pistol strapped to his right thigh. He was dressed entirely in black."
"The man wanted to know where Davis' neighbors - who recently moved away - were. Davis said the man appeared "very agitated and angry" when she told him she didn't know. Her former neighbors worked at the ski area before recently moving out of town."
"Davis said she did not immediately call the police."
December 30, 2008
9:38 p.m.
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BigYank writes:
I was at the resort yesterday (Monday).
My kid broke his ski (from Cristy) an hour after we started. As I was walking down with my kid and his broken ski, I see a guy next to the school bus stop. Dressed in Eldora jacket and the name tag said Brian (and nothing else). He starts small talk, then when I tell him the ski is busted, he right away says "Go to rental ask for <name> and he'll give you a free kids rental. Tell him Brian sent you."
And I thought this guy was a greeter or something. (Usually I have to social engineer my way to free stuff.)
And today I here he is dead. Upsetting.
I hope in his memory, Eldora will keep up the high level of customer service.
December 30, 2008
9:41 p.m.
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LoneTreeLady75 writes:
It's obvious the shooter was listening to rap before this occured </sarcasm>.
On a serious note, the newscast I watched this evening reported that the victim was an awesome man, definitely loved and like by everyone he knew. It hurts the soul to see such a good person murdered for what appears to be no reason at all... my condolences to his family.
December 30, 2008
10:05 p.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
Acemon writes: "Here's more proof of the "calming" effect of religion."
Actually, it's sounding more and more like an atheist hunting for Christians to me. (Something you probably approve of, Acemon.) We'll have to wait for the rest of the story on the motive to be sure.
From all accounts the manager he killed never did anything bad to anyone up there - it figures he would be the one shot.
December 30, 2008
10:22 p.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
"A short time later, Bonestroo entered a locker room in the Eldora pump house where between 15 and 20 lift operators were in the midst of their regular morning meeting. He asked people their religious beliefs, then opened fire."
Are you telling me that 15-20 people can't tell you exactly what he said? C'mon, let's hear the rest of the story.
December 31, 2008
1:54 a.m.
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solar_satellite writes:
Eldora Mountain Resort -- Marijuana smokers need not apply; crazed theists with large caliber handguns step to the front of the line!
December 31, 2008
4:37 a.m.
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44roger writes:
Hope they can find out what drove this guy to do what he did, either way, Christian or atheist, religion, or lack of it, seems to be the bottom line.
World would be better off without it....
December 31, 2008
8:03 a.m.
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Acemon writes:
Cowboy63 was pleased to write:
"Actually, it's sounding more and more like an atheist hunting for Christians to me. (Something you probably approve of, Acemon.) We'll have to wait for the rest of the story on the motive to be sure."
Be kind enough to support your accusations. Please post any news story in the last ten years that identifies an murderer as being an atheist. Only the religious kill each other, often over disagreements of theology and dogma.
Prove me wrong, Cowboy, if you can.
December 31, 2008
8:31 a.m.
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buffsblg writes:
Those who support religion and those who hate it will always try to use outrageous and incredibly rare incidents like this to support their pre-formed opinions, and both are of course just silly. This guy was "crazy" and whether his insanity took the form of hating religion or over identifying with religion, the key fact is not religion, but insanity.
December 31, 2008
8:42 a.m.
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gr8white writes:
1) My deepest sympathies are with Mr. Mahon's family. Nothing will justify such a senseless, random, and evil act. I know the community will surround and support them forever.
2) GILPINMAN thank you for your reporting. Information is what we crave during events like this and sadly the traditional press doesn't always find it or disseminate it in a timely manner.
3) I am anxious to (hopefully) read about the rest of this story: the neighbors the shooter was seeking who recently moved away (did they owe him $?), the package of cocaine found in the getaway car (whose was that?), and who the owner of the car is/why the shooter escaped in that car/how he got keys to that car. These details point to a larger plot that I'm afraid we won't hear about due to 'pending investigations'.
It is sad that an innocent and upstanding pillar of the Nederland community lost his life at random, caught in the middle of what appears to be drug ring chaos.
December 31, 2008
8:59 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
Acemon writes: "Prove me wrong, Cowboy, if you can."
Ace -
Doubt I'll get the chance. Obviously the RMN is witholding relevent information one way or the other. If I'm proven wrong then I'll apologize (but I don't think I'm wrong). I still find it odd that the reporter can't get info from 15-20 witnesses.
December 31, 2008
9:09 a.m.
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Heidi writes:
buffsblg....exactly!
December 31, 2008
9:13 a.m.
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Acemon writes:
Cowboy63,
Regardless of this incident, and regardless of what the Rocky prints (or doesn't print), the challenge still stands: Please post any news story in the last ten years that identifies a murderer as being an atheist.
You wrote very clearly: "...it's sounding more and more like an atheist hunting for Christians to me. (Something you probably approve of, Acemon.)" Come on, Cowboy, put some facts behind your accusations.
As I have stated in these forums over and over, I don't care what people believe. My neighbors, co-workers and fellow Colorado citizens are free to practice whatever faith they choose, be it talking in tongues, handling snakes, sacrificing chickens or even waiting for space aliens to take them away. My only objection is when they try to force those practices on me. I don't approve of religious battles, nor any violence but the facts speak for themselves: atheists don't (or very rarely) kill.
December 31, 2008
9:23 a.m.
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opinionatedcolo writes:
Acemon
You know enough to not press Cowboy for "facts". He has been handed all the answers from above and if the silly "facts" do not support him, he will either make them up, or (the common last refuge of the logically challenged) claim a "conspiracy" to cover up the "real" facts. You cannot argue logic with those who never apply it to begin with.
December 31, 2008
10:11 a.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
The TROLLING on this topic is getting to be just as good as the ones we have on a daily basis at our site..
Maybe there is a future for the RMN....>8->....
December 31, 2008
10:12 a.m.
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Acemon writes:
opinionatedcolo,
Indeed, you're correct. I guess my questions are futile.
However, I give Cowboy credit for at least discussing the issue, unlike our resident troll who seems to be on vacation.
December 31, 2008
10:22 a.m.
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vendari01 writes:
When a maniac with a gun asks his victims what religion they practice, it's very unlikely to have any point as to the gunman's beliefs. IMHO, he could be an atheist, agnostic, Christian, or Buddhist; at that moment in time, though, only he could explain what part religion plays in his rampage, and neither you nor I would understand what he told us. When Klebold and Harris went on their rampage, at least one victim was asked the same question, and that question was just as meaningless then, as now. My only concern with a man like that would be to stop him in his tracks, not to engage him in a debate, nor to try to understand his motivations.
December 31, 2008
10:59 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
Acemon writes: "Please post any news story in the last ten years that identifies a murderer as being an atheist."
Fair question.
Does the word "Columbine" ring any bells? There are too many to list, so I'll just keep it to two recent ones in Colorado:
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2007/12/at...
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnew...
Acemon writes: "As I have stated in these forums over and over, I don't care what people believe. My neighbors, co-workers and fellow Colorado citizens are free to practice whatever faith they choose, be it talking in tongues, handling snakes, sacrificing chickens or even waiting for space aliens to take them away. My only objection is when they try to force those practices on me. I don't approve of religious battles, nor any violence but the facts speak for themselves: atheists don't (or very rarely) kill."
Now you answer one for me. How many of your neighbors have actually tried to force you to "talk in tongues, handle snakes, sacrifice chickens or wait for space aliens to take you away"? How many of your neighbors actually do any of that? Now you show me any stories in the last ten years where anyone was "forced" do to any such things?
December 31, 2008
11:36 a.m.
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riverrafter writes:
Well, I'm theorizing that he had no intention of living through this ordeal- he killed off his cat, which may have been his deranged way of "taking care of him" so he wouldn't have to worry about him after he was gone. Who knows what his intentions really were. Sounds like a person off his/her meds.
This is a terrible tragedy for the Mahon family, and I offer my most sincere sympathy to them.
December 31, 2008
11:36 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
from channel 7:
"He (the suspect) barged in and wanted to know who was a Christian and who wasn't a Christian," said Pelle.
Looks like we can add this story to the list.
vendari01 writes: "When Klebold and Harris went on their rampage, at least one victim was asked the same question, and that question was just as meaningless then, as now."
It's not meaningless when a little girl gets her head blown off because she answers, "yes".
December 31, 2008
11:37 a.m.
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Disgusted_in_Denver writes:
OK a person was killed and this is news? He killed his cat? Thanks Rocky Mountain News, great insite!
December 31, 2008
11:42 a.m.
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riverrafter writes:
Cowboy, no matter what that girl answered, I believe he would have shot her. I'm sure her family takes great comfort that she answered yes, but if she had answered no, she probably would have been shot anyway. It was a power question that had no right answer.
December 31, 2008
11:45 a.m.
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jjez writes:
Acemom: nobody will ever be able to prove that an athiest ever shot anyone because 1: athiesism is not a "religion" so there's no witnesses or records anywhere saying they were an athiest and 2: because it's not politically correct to be a Christian in this day and age and so if a person who claims to be a Christian does something like this, the press jumps all over it to prove their agenda that Christians are the scum of the earth. And I doubt anyone has ever gone to all of the death rows in this world and ASKED anyone what they believe so there likely aren't even statics that show anything like that.
December 31, 2008
11:46 a.m.
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TheRundown writes:
acemon writes:
"atheists don't (or very rarely) kill"
Lenin, Marx, Stalin ring any bells!?
People regardless of religion, sex, color, heritage, or whatever are always capable of hatred and murder.....period!
This kid obviously flipped out over something, felt he had nothing to lose and committed murder, ANYONE in that state of mind is capable of that, just like ANYONE can contribute to society and make a positive impact. It all just depends on the choices you make.
December 31, 2008
11:53 a.m.
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OldFart writes:
Your kidding..only in the Rocky would the "cat" getting shot make headlines....but, it served it's purpose. Sensationalism at it's lowest.. headline the dead cat, but who cares about the actual humans involved...
December 31, 2008
11:56 a.m.
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Verdad writes:
riverrafter, Cowboy:
As a Columbine "survivor" and a decent study on the shootings, I heavily doubt that had Cassie answered "no" to the theology question, she still would have been shot and killed.
As many may know, though, there has been much debate as to whether or not the question was even asked, and if it were even answered. Despite a book being written on this exact incident, there are conflicting witness accounts as to what actually happened.
Among many other things, Harris and Klebold were staunchly atheist and had much hatred for established religion -- and society for that matter. This has been well documented and there is little doubt in the fact.
All these things said, my slightly subjective opinion is that the majority of these crazed killer situations are result of religious zealots rather than angry atheists. I don't think that participation in a specific religion is a cause -- but it is a correlation, most certainly.
December 31, 2008
11:57 a.m.
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jjez writes:
Acemom writes: "As I have stated in these forums over and over, I don't care what people believe."
And yet she was the one who jumped on the anti-Christian bandwagon first! "Here's more proof of the "calming" effect of religion."
Acemom, if you don't care what people believe, why do you always denigrate any sort of belief? If you don't care so much, why do you insist on bringing up the subject? If you didn't care, you wouldn't care and thus wouldn't have an opinion either way. Remember, you were the first one to jump on the mention of religion in the story so you started it.
December 31, 2008
12:08 p.m.
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SoCol writes:
If someone dressed in black knocks at your door with a pistol strapped to his thigh and appears highly agitated, please report it to the police. I believe this is against the law, not to mention a big red flag.
December 31, 2008
12:10 p.m.
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riverrafter writes:
Verdad, I'm sorry for you having to go through the Columbine tragedy in a personal way. How awful for you, you have my sincere sympathy.
I guess the bottom line here is that we will never know the "what ifs" in these instances. We can only surmise, and opinions and theories have no meaning. We are only left with the hollow aftermath.
A comment was made earlier that with 15 people in the room the blogger was incredulous that no one can give an accurate account of what happened. This is actually quite common in an event like this. The brain scrambles, trying to deal with what it can't believe it just saw. Witnesses will have differing accounts.
December 31, 2008
12:30 p.m.
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watcher1 writes:
Cynthia Davis worked at the local newspaper & didn't pick up on this guys behavior and at least call the cops to alert them? Unbelievable.
December 31, 2008
12:31 p.m.
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gallegoi writes:
When this all began, that dumb woman who said he was pounding on her door and said the guy seemed very agitated and angry and that even though she was staring at the gun she didn't call police because she didn't believe her own eyes.
What kind of crap is that?? She could have prevented this. What more did she need here.
December 31, 2008
12:47 p.m.
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HolierThanThou writes:
There are many places in Colorado where carrying an open non-concealed firearm is perfectly legal. Hunters do it.
Cynthia Davis lives in one such mountain region. So, don't blame her for not calling the police right away, city boys. I've had armed men come knocking at my door. They were lost. So, I gave them directions.
Hindsight is 20:20 but there is no way to know in advance whether some nut has murder on his mind unless you sit him down with a psychiatrist. Even then there are no guarantees.
My condolences to the Mahon family. I've skied at Eldora and always found it to be a pleasant, well run operation.
December 31, 2008
1:13 p.m.
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DragonInTheSky writes:
Cowboy...Stop misconstruing the facts and changing the subject.
You're reminding me too much of Bill O'reilly.
December 31, 2008
1:37 p.m.
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davies writes:
BigYank: Thanks for your poignant 9:38 PM anecdote - it really says a lot about the victim. God bless his family and friends.
Heidi: Happy New Year, but please stop being such a windbag.
December 31, 2008
1:43 p.m.
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ThingFish writes:
"Among many other things, Harris and Klebold were staunchly atheist and had much hatred for established religion -- and society for that matter. This has been well documented and there is little doubt in the fact."
Wrong. They were Jewish. Look into it.
December 31, 2008
1:50 p.m.
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Herstory writes:
Condolences to the Families. To all of us who have lost loved ones to violence.
December 31, 2008
2:11 p.m.
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Heidi writes:
davies,
I've just been nursing my wounds ;)
You have a Happy New Year, too!
December 31, 2008
2:45 p.m.
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davies writes:
There's been a lot of bashing of the Rocky on this thread for its reporting of this story, but I just re-read it and it seems pretty thorough and coherent now, considering it only happened yesterday.
A guy listening to a police scanner can report what he hears immediately, and I guess there's nothing wrong with that, but a newspaper is generally expected to clarify and verify the facts before reporting a story. And this is a weird story!
December 31, 2008
2:52 p.m.
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NotUrFriend writes:
Honestly Sorry to hear so much damning things have gone on this morning. God, where do sick freaks like this arise? Seriousily? I fail to see how cowards like this rise out of the murk? Its just sick.
Seriousily just sick.
Thank God that deputy killed him head on rather than waste our time and tax money on explaining how he is 'mentally insane' and reading a year down the road he was released for good behavior and than a few months further that a child was found killed in his car.
Just sick. Burn in he** you SOB.
I.
Poor Cat.
January 6, 2009
9:36 p.m.
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starviego writes:
Neither the Columbine killers nor the New Life Church shooter were atheists, but rather hard-core occult satanists.
Interesting that the shooter was wearing all black. Wanna bet his cat was all black too?