Cutler on Shanahan firing: 'I’m not pleased with it at all'
By Jeff Legwold, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published December 30, 2008 at 5:31 p.m.
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Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler says of coach Mike Shanahan's firing: "We had zero inkling this was going to happen. I didn't have a clue." Cutler also is worried about the fate of quarterbacks coach Jeremy Bates, who calls the plays on offense.
ENGLEWOOD — Broncos owner Pat Bowlen stunned people across the NFL Tuesday by letting Mike Shanahan go.
And count a surprised, angered quarterback in Jay Cutler among them.
"I'm disappointed, I'm shocked, I'm not happy about it, I'm not pleased with it at all," Cutler said by phone Tuesday. "We had zero inkling this was going to happen. I didn't have a clue."
Cutler said he met with Shanahan for about 30 minutes Monday before leaving town to discuss offseason plans as well as the direction the offense would take in the 2009 season.
This year, Cutler was selected for his first Pro Bowl after he set single-season franchise records in passing yards (4,526), total offense (4,726 yards), attempts (616) and completions (384) to go with 25 touchdowns, which tied him for the third-highest single-season total in Broncos history.
Cutler compiled those totals despite the team's injury woes at running back. The Broncos placed seven running backs on injured reserve this season, five of whom had started at least one game.
It resulted in the lowest rushing total - 1,862 yards - in Shanahan's 14-year tenure as the team's coach. The previous low had been 1,864 yards in 1999, when the Broncos finished 6-10.
"I think, with the offensive staff we had, we were moving ahead," Cutler said. "I had just met with Mike to go over everything, talk about the things we wanted to do, make sure we were going the right way on offense."
Cutler was particularly interested to hear what the fate of current quarterbacks coach Jeremy Bates would be. Bates just finished his first year as the team's play-caller on game day.
Bates also recently turned down an offer from Lane Kiffin to be the offensive coordinator at the University of Tennessee after Shanahan had extended Bates' contract for two more seasons, through 2011.
"And he had an option to go to Tennessee, and maybe that's still on the table for him," Cutler said. "But to lose all of our offensive coaches, too, that would be a big thing. Guys like Jeremy (Bates), (receivers coach Jedd) Fisch, that would be a step back for us, in my mind."
Already Tuesday, rumors were running rampant through the league the Broncos were going to seek a replacement with a background in offense to continue grooming Cutler.
The quarterback was the team's top draft pick in 2006, and Shanahan said last week he believed Cutler's season had been "incredible" and that the 25-year-old had the makeup "to win big games and be the kind of guy people in Denver are going to be happy to have for a long, long time."
"I hope it all works out," Cutler said. "But I know I'm disappointed, I'm not happy, and it's a lot to think about. I just want to continue the things we were able to do this year on offense and get better all the time."
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December 30, 2008
5:49 p.m.
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Who_Me writes:
You're next, crybaby.
December 30, 2008
5:51 p.m.
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Mark13 writes:
Go ahead and hire Cowher so they can turn into a 3 yard and cloud of dust offense. I wonder if Cutler knows more about football than the clowns who ran Shanny out of town.
December 30, 2008
5:57 p.m.
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mccaffreyfan writes:
Cutler is right! This was a bad move! You don't fire your "offensive minded" coach with the league's 2nd best offense. You work to find a solution on defense. This move will only ruin the next few years and who knows if the offense will ever be this good again. This is terrible timing. No, Shanahan did not do a good job drafting defensive players and the defense is terrible. But there is NO ONE out there right now that is better than Shanahan. He had so much influence with this team it will take the team years to recover. Will Cutler and the players we have this is terrible timing! Also look at the injuries this year! He was doing a good job with what he had. This is the worst decision Bowlen has ever made!!!
December 30, 2008
6:05 p.m.
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mccaffreyfan writes:
Everyone talks about Shanahan's bad personnel decisions. Jay Cutler, Ryan Clady, Eddie Royal, Brandon Marshall, Peyton Hillis, Mike Anderson, Wesley Woodyard, Clinton Portis, Terrell Davis, Eddie Mac, Champ Bailey, Olandis Gary (look at all the 1000 yard running backs), etc.
He was bad at defense. So work it out. Don't fire him. This will not help the Broncos. This will take years to recover from
December 30, 2008
6:16 p.m.
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broncodude writes:
Hey mccaffreyfan,
I was surprised that you waited until the 10th name to mention Mccaffrey! But sadly, Eddie Mac's time has come and gone and so has Mike's. I really liked Mike don't get me wrong. I defended him for the past 8 years against my father in law who wants to fire him every year. But on Sunday I finally came to the realization that it is time to move on. We need new focus and new energy. Shanahan will go somewhere else and be a big success. I predict it and hope for it. But I feel that it is time for a new direction.
December 30, 2008
6:17 p.m.
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Richard writes:
I agree that Shanahan should not of been let go, but the Broncos needed him to just be a coach not the GM as well. Bowlen has once again shown that the problem is with the ownership and not the coach. So, Pat, how are you going to get a 1st rate coach now that Shanahan is still on the books for $20 mil? Pat, you have effectively "blown" this team up. Thanks for the memories. I guess that Spano isn't the only owner with dementia.
December 30, 2008
6:18 p.m.
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Jubei writes:
mccaffreyfan, the problem is due to the fact that there was no one within the organization that could override his decisions on defense. Do you think he would willingly give up half of his titles (including GM), just to be the head coach? I don't think so.
Get a real (not puppet) GM. Get a defensive guru like Spagnuolo that will leave the offense alone. Get someone to light a fire under the boys on special teams.
It probably won't pay dividends right off the bat, but frankly, Shanahans influence on the defense produced nothing more than a 3 year descent to the basement of the NFL.
If the Fins can go from 1-15 to the top of their division, then there is hope for us. New blood may be just what we need.
December 30, 2008
6:33 p.m.
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ZUBU writes:
Shanny had a chance to stay, but refused to fire/replace his defensive cord and Bowlen let Shanny go. Shanny tried to make a power play because he believed that Bowlen would allow him to coach forever. Obviously the defense was a big problem but not the only problem. Shanny had too much power within the org. people were scared to express their opinion if it differed from Shanny's. That is not a good thing for one guy to control every aspect of the org. Now Cutler needs to just shut the heck up and prepare to learn whatever system is instilled. No more babysitting the young brash guy who claims his arm is stronger than Elway's.
December 30, 2008
6:37 p.m.
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mccaffreyfan writes:
Prediction: Shanahan goes to KC and becomes the Broncos worst nightmare for years to come
December 30, 2008
6:46 p.m.
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Broncofan_in_Boston writes:
Ya know, I agree that Shanny probably should have had one more year b/c they have a young core and the offense is definitely headed towards great.
One more offseason to bring in the right free agents to fix the defense...
BUT... its hard to argue with the decision. The facts are there. 10 years of complete mediocrity. 4 playoff appearances in 10 years. 1 win and 4 blowouts. They lost a play-in game in '06 against the lowly 49ers. They lost 3 straight play-in games this year... 2 by blowout. They consistently jump out in front of teams by multiple scores and fade. They consistently start the season fast and fade down the stretch. Wasted drafts and draft picks. A defense that has been helpless to make stops in big games, year after year.
Look, I love Mike Shanahan. I still remember those championships just like everyone else. But its been 10 years of going nowhere. Even '05 was shaky. That win against NE was aided by the Pats implosion. 5 turnovers, a 99 yard pick and return and a questionable pass interference that handed us a TD.
The NFL is full of mediocre teams and we simply haven't been able to make any type of run.
Shanny could have gotten another year, but its tough to question the firing. I look at next year's schedule (nfc east, afc north, indy and the pats) and we're in trouble next year already. Bowlen might look at that and say, we can afford to transition in '09.
I also wonder if Bowlen approached Mike about giving up some of his control and bringing in a GM to handle all personnel decisions. I wonder if Shanny said "no thanks" and they agreed to part ways.
We'll see what shakes out.
I agree with those that question how Atlanta, Miami, Carolina, Baltimore and others in recent years have been able to turn things around quickly, yet the Broncos haven't been able to get over the hump in a decade.
December 30, 2008
6:48 p.m.
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12thmaniac writes:
Very, very, very, poor decision. Shanahan is a hall of fame coach. He was rebuilding this team and that takes time. They are only 3 years removed from AFC Championship Game. Most the players on this team have 3 or less years experience and yet they showed lots of promise. The defense needs better players sure but the team does not need a new head coach. Most teams in the league right now would give up their coach for Shanahan, there will be teams that have good coaches that might fire that coach to bring in Shanahan, after all his resume is better than any coach right now except for Billicheck. For those who are looking for Cower to come in don't count on it. 1 he just turned down both the Jets and browns and told them I am not coaching again take me off your list. The coach that comes in will be from our current staff sine they also are all under contract, or a nobody because we don't have the money to pay Shanahan 7 million a year that we still owe him and also pay high profile coach at the same time. Because of Shanhans new mansion he will probably take a year off and just collect a check without the stress while he watches this team completely self destruct under a new and inexperienced coach. The all the star offensive players who have express their discuss with the decision will leave once their contracts are up which Cutler, Marshall, Sheftler, Dumervill, are all up at the end of 2009. Shanahan will then come back and go to KC and take 3 out of the 4 since we can not franchise all of them and KC will then walk all over us for years to come.
December 30, 2008
6:53 p.m.
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azis1100 writes:
Smooth move Pat...nothing like changing coaches when there is NOTHING OUT THERE~!
friggin id10t
December 30, 2008
7:08 p.m.
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DeadMeat writes:
We gave Shanahan a DECADE following the Super-Bowl victories and went nowhere but down. Denver needs a fresh start. If it takes us a few years of "rebuilding" so be it. After all, what the heck has Coach Mike been doing for the past 10 years except rebuilding? Frankly, I don't buy the cover story that the falling out between Bowlen and Shanahan was over Slowik. I think Coach Mike was asked to resign from his GM position and refused. In any case, its not like Coach Mike was giving the Broncos his very best. Over the past several years he has been more involved in selling cars and pushing political agendas than coaching our team to a championship. That's my 2-cents worth and I'm standing by it.
December 30, 2008
7:11 p.m.
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December 30, 2008
7:19 p.m.
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kerrdawg writes:
This was Bowlen proving this is his team and not Shanahan's. Bowlen is in the same mold of Jerry Jones. He wants the attention. I know you all remember him and his fur coat. I hope and pray that Shanahan goes to San Diego and takes that team to 8 Superbowls. First I was a Bronco's fan because of Elway, then Shanahan. But now I have to ask myself, "Am I a Bowlen fan? Because in reality that's what being a Broncos fan means. I really don't know right now, I really don't know.
December 30, 2008
7:33 p.m.
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johnb writes:
this is going to be wierd! it means another three years of rebuilding. I loved Shanny. allways gave you a chance to win. couldn't fix the defence though. wierd! I guess they gave him a chance with 5 different defensive coaches and then gave up. this might be kind of wierd!?!
December 30, 2008
7:34 p.m.
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Tedwin writes:
As Bill Williamson from ESPN pointed out, I think a great fit would Josh McDaniels from the Pats. Their system is very similar to the Broncos and so Cutler and crew would have an easier time to learn it. Josh is what Shanny used to be in 95. Pioli would be the icing on the cake to get quality defensive guys. Cowher, Billick, Spagnuolo, etc are more defensive minded so that is not good for the development of Cutler unless Jeremy Bates remains, which is unlikely since Cowher wants to bring in his own team.
Final note. Bowlen is not Jerry Jones. He gave Shanny the keys to the Broncos and he failed. You guys seem to forget that the NFL is a business. Bowlen will not let the Broncos flounder like GM and Chrysler.
December 30, 2008
7:41 p.m.
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Cutler6 writes:
CAn people live in the past for long enough? sheeesh
December 30, 2008
7:44 p.m.
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Tedwin writes:
In response to Kerrdawg: You are absolutely correct. I grew up in San Diego and was a Charger fan by default. However, after the failure of Bobby Beathard and Alex Spanos to give up first round draft picks and have every single "Billy Joe" QB come play, I had enough. The NFL is a business. Let me repeat that, a business. Despite what every fan seem to think that where you live is where your loyalty lies, I disagree. I believe in Pat Bowlen. He built the Denver Broncos to what it is now and he will continue that tradition. Shanny had his time and there was no one else left to blame or fire except himself and I'm glad Pat Bowlen made the right decision. Friendship and loyalty lasted for 21 years. In the end, business is business.
December 30, 2008
7:45 p.m.
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ScreamingEagle writes:
Good Job Mr. Bowlen.
Please can crybaby Cutler,and fumblefingers Marshall next.
Thanks in advance.......***Happy New Year***
December 30, 2008
7:47 p.m.
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Jim_G writes:
All i can say is wherever shanny ends up, that team just became an instant contender. I hope all you shanny haters are happy, but remeber one thing , be carefull what you wish for. Yea he may have made some bad decisions on personal on the defensive side of the ball, but offensively your gonna see this team take a major step backwards. And finally get of Cutlers back he is in his third yr and he is gonna be an all pro for yrs to come. you cant expect a third yr QB to carry the entire offense on his back like he had to this year. The lack of a running game due to injury was huge in the mistakes he made, and the defense was just plain horrible, also a big part in mistakes. I truely felt the defense was probably 3 or 4 players away from being a solid unit next yr and the offense was gonna be spectacular, now we get 2 more yrs of adjusting to a new system and the growing pains that will go with it. Thanks for the great job coaching mike and good luck on your next stop. Hey Shanny haters maybe we will get Romeo or Marty ...woooooo hoooooooooo.
December 30, 2008
7:51 p.m.
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BringBackOrange writes:
Come on now guys! How soon we forget what we would be without Mike Shanahan. A franchise like the Bills or Vikings that are Charlie Brown loveable losers. A great QB in Elway who was just a choker and couldn't win the big game. Because of Shanahan we have two Super Bowl titles and an all-time great QB who went out on top with two rings. Everyone thinks Bill Belichick is the greatest coach ever. Does anyone remember him and all his accomplishments in Cleveland. You guys are such a bunch or whining pansies, with the memory of a three year old. "You have two Super Bowls and are the winningest coach IN DENVER HISTORY" but you lost last week. Whats's up with that. HUH HUH" I think that is evidently your mind sets. Thats not the true Denver fans I know. You all sound like Philadelphia fans. Why don't you all go cheer a motionless player on the ground or boo Santa Claus.
Now for some level headed thinking. Mike was the best coach we ever had. A great offense and consistenly one of the top running games every year. He was grooming the next Elway and is in control of one of the top young offenses in the league. But... Our Defense or lack thereof was atroucious, embarassing, bush league and completely unexceptable. Worse yet, we have been this bad for years or so. Does anyone remember what year Peyton Manning started his annual annihilation of our defense??? And Shanahan has continued to make excuses for it. Even after Sunday night's game when San Diego did what they wanted when they wanted to. I think they punted once after the game was over and they were trying to run the clock out. So if Pat Bowlen (who is a great owner by the way) decided we needed a change, then we should trust him. Say what you want about him but he honestly cares what Denver does on the field. Jeremy Bates will stay as the offensive coordinater, since he showed he can handle the offense, the play calling and Jay Cutler's progression. Then we will hire a GM for only personnel moves and finally add a defensive minded head coach.
Mike you are the best coach we ever had and we will never forget you. But I think it was best for all involved for a change.
December 30, 2008
7:53 p.m.
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Mark13 writes:
After reading all the posts and articles I just wonder does anybody look at the players in all of this? Do any of them feel any sense of responsibility for their head coach getting fired? By laying down and making fools of themselves the last 3 weeks they are the reason the team is in disarray. Hopefully most of them will be looking for another job next year.
Shanahan was maybe too trusting that the players wanted to win as badly as he did. Unfortunately the modern day athlete thinks his job is to just show up and collect a paycheck.
December 30, 2008
7:54 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
Who_Me, you're talking ridiculous and know squat about talent.
allen12, you're even worse. You got a lot of nerve to talk about somebody's disability. Talking like that on the street would get you into a lot of trouble. Grow up.
MRBONG, take another hit of your bong. Wishing death on somebody tells me all we need to know about you. That was a lame statement.
December 30, 2008
7:57 p.m.
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baylinorcrush writes:
Of course, Jay is saying the right thing, he will miss Shanahan because he was his fave. But he'll get over it once he realizes he might have a chance at a defense and that will take a load off his shoulders. Most any coach or GM out there knows the value of a Cutler and will use it to its full potential. I'm not worried at all about this change, it had been 14 years, it was time for a fresh approach. So what if it takes a while, it's not like we were having success out there anyhow. I, for one, welcome this change and thank Bowlen for thinking Broncos first, not Shanahan first.
December 30, 2008
7:57 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
ScreamingEagle, like Who_Me, you know nothing of football talent. Yeah, get rid of the teams 2 Pro Bowlers. Yeah, that would be real brilliant. DOH!
December 30, 2008
8:05 p.m.
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JCut6JElway7 writes:
I can say that I was/am 100% SHOCKED!!! I didn't vision it happening like this... NEVER. On one side I'm sad... really sad... seeing Coach on NFL Network showing all different shots of him through the years made me reflect on the good times... but then seeing the last 3 years... and the defense we've had for the last 3 years... and coach taking over the GM roll... the blame has to I go squarely on his shoulders. He wanted all the control and with that he had allot of responsibility... and it didn't work. SO it's time to move on... I'm not as close to the situation as Mr. Bowlen obviously... and he's been a class "A" owner. So if he feels this is what had to happen I support it. Coach Shanahan... thank you for the memories and I wish you nothing but the best, even if you land in KC.
December 30, 2008
8:10 p.m.
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baylinorcrush writes:
Mark13, somehow over the last few years Shanahan had begun losing control of his players. He kept changing the roster to eliminate the bad apples, but as he has done that so many times to no avail, you know there was more to it than that. In general, he had lost the respect of many players and could not get it back (regardless of what Jay thinks of it). Overall, I think we will see a very fresh, positive attitude from the players going into next season.
December 30, 2008
8:11 p.m.
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HopiMedicineMan writes:
At some point, and not recently, Shanahan lost his fire and became cerebral. Football ain't chess.
December 30, 2008
8:12 p.m.
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WishingIwasinCO writes:
Poor Bowlen, he can't catch a break. He keeps Shanny and Bowlen is the one that gets blamed. Bowlen makes a move, that would be firing Shanny and he gets ripped for doing that. Personally, I like the decision, Shanny will go down as the one that brought home the Lombardi to Denver, for John also. After 3 years of mediocreness, it was time. I want Cowher he's all defense, and with the offensive they have, what more do you want? Sunday night people were asking for Shanny's head, well Bowlen gave it to you, and now you complain, because he handed it to you. Make up your minds!
December 30, 2008
8:18 p.m.
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jimmyrobot writes:
As a season ticket holder and a long, long time Bronco fan, I say - thank you Mr. Bowlen. Mike Shanahan has been an exceptional coach for this team. But his skills as a GM have not kept up, and that is where the line has to be drawn. If you can't pick the players - on both sides of the ball - that are going to give you the best chance to win, you can't stay in the game. The defensive deficiencies have just been too glaring for too many years. The ransacking of a bad Cleveland d-line, first- and second-round defensive draft picks that have gone bust, firing d-coordinators every year - these are all on Shanny.
It's tough to see the man who coached this team to 2 Super Bowls go. But at the end of the day, he had too much power - and people with power are not inclined to relinquish any. Mike wouldn't have taken a loss of control over personnel decisions, and unfortunately it is those decisions that were his ultimate demise in Denver. I wish him nothing but success as he moves on, and hope for the best in the Broncos search for a new coach. Regardless of what many commenters want to believe, Pat Bowlen is a great owner and this is the best job available in the league.
December 30, 2008
8:24 p.m.
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baylinorcrush writes:
Well said WishingIwasinCO, that's exactly what's happening from a large part of the bloggers. Bowlen, damn if you do, damn if you don't. If he doesn't act, it's because Shanahan has all the say, when he finally acts, it's horrible what he's just done.
I give him credit for standing up, I didn't think he had it in him.
December 30, 2008
8:31 p.m.
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slamnsam569 writes:
it's just talk...time to grow up boy...before you start talking about the man....shut up and put up!!!!
December 30, 2008
8:37 p.m.
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Gonzopozo writes:
I'm good with this - these 8-8 seasons are boring. A fresh start - regardless of who it is - will get everyone's juices flowing again. Bring in some of the old-school Bronco players to talk up some attitude, especially on defense, and let's get our home field back !!!!
December 30, 2008
8:50 p.m.
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SE7EN writes:
I've been a long time advocate for Shanahan. People have bashed him on these message boards for years, but I've always backed him up, until now. 1 playoff win since Elway retired is inexcusable.
Shanahan is a brilliant offensive mind, but he's lost it when it comes to the defense. He has little or no ability to get the right players for this defense, the right coaches etc. Shanahan has too much pride to take any demotion in his role, so he must go. He wants to do it all, Coach, GM, etc. If he'd be willing to coach and focus on the offense and allow a GM to come in and make decisions regarding personnel, then I'd say don't let him go, but Shanahan wants it all, but has only proven that he's good at offense, but has no clue when it comes to defense...defense that has killed this team for years.
Have we had a dominant D-line in Denver since Shanahan has been coach? Shanahan keeps drafting players in the secondary, when the line is horrible. Bailey and Bly have become a wasted commodity because the D-line doesn't generate enough pressure to make them effective. Something had to change. I still regard Shanahan as being a fantastic coach, but he's a stubborn control freak, and it has finally caught up to him.
December 30, 2008
8:54 p.m.
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cofthelion22 writes:
Bowelen you messed up real good by letting go a master mind like Mike. Even though i am a true bronco fan, mike shanahan is going to come back with a new team and beat the hell out of us. He coached the number two offense in the league, how could you let some one with that coaching skill go. I think one of the reasons denver was not consistint because of so many injuries the broncos took and mostly on running backs. You should have fired the defensive coordinator he hasn't really been that productive.
I HOPE YOU FINED IT IN YOU TO BRING HIM BACK AND NOT LET HIM GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 30, 2008
8:57 p.m.
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denfanincali writes:
WishingIwasinCO writes:
"Sunday night people were asking for Shanny's head, well Bowlen gave it to you, and now you complain, because he handed it to you. Make up your minds!"
Hey, Einstein...you ever think that just maybe the people complaining about this decision aren't the same fool idiots who asked for his head?!
December 30, 2008
9:06 p.m.
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BroncoAppraiser writes:
So long Mike, you were appreciated.
HELLO MARTY SCHOTTENHEIMER!!!
December 30, 2008
9:18 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
denfanincali, hate to say it, but you're correct. The ones who were the "Shanny haters" are the same ones applauding his leaving. Thing that amazes me is the amount of bloggers who've we've never seen post before, suddenly showing up, stating how they been "saying it all year", etc. Not on this blog, they haven't. Bandwagon fans are what they are. Wolves after the slaughter. They also chase ambulances, I'm sure. Whatever happens in the future for the coaching decision, will happen by the end of the week, I'm willing to bet. People have been throwing Cowhers name around, but I've read nothing to see that he will consider Denver? I like the idea of Brian Billick. Or even Marty ball? We'll see very soon.
December 30, 2008
9:20 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
BroncoAppraiser, like I said in my last post. Very possible. A lot will happen very shortly. Stay tuned Broncoland.
December 30, 2008
9:26 p.m.
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mccaffreyfan writes:
The Broncos ONLY chance is this:
Keep Jeremy Bates and Rick Dennison and Bobby Turner (this is the #2 offense in the league)
Hire Steve Spagnuolo as Head Coach and build a defense.
Hire a quality GM (Pioli would be nice)
Still, all in all, I'm very afraid it's time to say bye-bye to Denvers famed "put anyone back there" running game.
The passing game will be fine, I think
December 30, 2008
9:29 p.m.
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homesicker writes:
Broncofan in Boston is right on. Mike needs to be followed by Bly, Webster, J. Bell and Prater and whoever is the defensive coach today followed by whatever passes for the conditioning trainer.
December 30, 2008
9:42 p.m.
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mesamaverick writes:
It'll be kind of interesting to see what happens next! You can't go 1-4 since Elway and get blown out like this and expect to keep your job.
December 30, 2008
10:02 p.m.
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AvsIn7 writes:
Millen and Rod Marinelli are available. Grab them now before Oakland does.
December 30, 2008
10:27 p.m.
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mrdux777 writes:
Please not Marty Chokenheimer; big mistake. Marty ball only works until you get to the postseason...
December 30, 2008
10:34 p.m.
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bronco4428 writes:
THE NUMBER 222222 OFFENSE IN THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE WITH TATUM BELL AT RB !!! CUTLER KNOWS HOW HUGE OF A LOSS THIS IS....AND EVERYBODY WILL BE REAL SORRY BELEIVE ME....I HOPE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU THAT ARE ON HERE APPLAUDING THIS MOVE COME BACK ON HERE AND ARE STILL WRITING...CUZZ THIS JUST STUNTED THE GROWTH OF CUTLER AND THIS OFFENSE...YOU PEOPLE HAVE NO CLUE....HE WAS IN THE 3RD YEAR OF THE SYSTEM....MADE THE PRO BOWL THREW FOR 4600 YARDS....AND THE ZONE BLOCKIN RUNNING SCHEME GONE WITH SHANNY...THEY BETTER BRING IN A GUY THAT RUNS THE SAME SCHEME CUZZ BELEIVE ME ITS GOIN TO BE A LOOOOONG YEAR NEXT YEAR BELIVE IT PEOPLE
December 30, 2008
10:50 p.m.
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broncofaninvegas writes:
We need someone with a backbone that will hold things together--someone the players can trust and relate to, as Shanahan was way too harsh. Hey, I wonder if Wade Phillips will be available soon. That would be swell.
December 30, 2008
11:24 p.m.
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milkcowblues writes:
I have been a bronco fan most of my life.I remember what Shanahan has done here ,but there comes a time you have to change. I was never more thankful than when Red Miller was let go and for a few years thought Dan Reeves was the ticket. As with many things in life things change. I never was for the Wade Phillips thing but waited it out for Shanahan to be freed up to come here. I will remember the Greenbay Superbowl win for the rest of my life,as one of the best feelings a fan can have. To go back to back was unthinkable, but Shanahan lead the troops to it. I will always be thankful and respect Shanahan as one if not the best coach ever but it was time to go. People have said the Broncos were in the AFC title game 3 years ago but do they remember the butt whupping they put on the Broncos.The defence was bad then now it is the worst in the league. Thank you very much Coach Shanahan and God speed but it was time to go.
December 31, 2008
12:46 a.m.
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kerrdawg writes:
Have you guys forgotten that Wade Phillips was replaced by Shanahan. Some of you fans are so dumb. No matter who we get we have taken a step back as a franchise in order for the owner to stroke his own ego.
December 31, 2008
1:29 a.m.
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Mark13 writes:
I don't hear any players talking like they lost any respect for Shanahan. He treated them like men and most of them are children. I will say it again, the modern day athlete is never accountable for their actions. They think showing up is all there is to it. Shanahan's error was giving them too much credit for being as dedicated to their jobs as he was to his.
December 31, 2008
2:31 a.m.
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thecritic1 writes:
Cutler should learn how to take responsibility for his poor play which definitely did not help Shanahan's job security. For such an offensive genius coach, he should have spent some more time on not only finding qualified defense coaches but on Cutler's telegraphing interception throwing. Perfect example was the interception in the end zone in the San Diego drubbing!!! Cutler would take a snap and without looking off any of his receivers, would focus on (mostly Marshall) and just fire away. DB's and Safety's only had to follow Cutler's non-moving head and see where the ball was going. Sure, he put up the stats on yardage and touchtown passes but seriously what else was he going to do with no running game? How about the interception stat?!?!
December 31, 2008
2:41 a.m.
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kinetic writes:
The Broncos fired Shanny because Bowlen wants a winner. And the Broncos have been a winner as long as he has owned the team. Shannahan was a winner, one of the winningest coaches of all time, and he will go somewhere else and win more games. But THE FRANCHISE said it was time for a change. PAT BOWLEN is the franchise, make no mistake.
I think Shanahan is an amazing coach. he has done more with less for a long time. Make no mistake. His legacy is in tact and he will go into the hall of fame as a Bronco. Regardles of where he ends up next year, and it will be very strange seeing someone else patrol the sidlenes at Invesco. But our owner decided it was a good decision for the team to move on, right?
Time will tell.
We know this much, that offense we have in place is amazing, and a defensive head coach with a solid offensive cordinator, that is familiar with the current studs on our roster may be what we need to get to the top. Bill Cowher is a solid candidate, I think there may be something to all the hubub today about Cowher NOT taking the Jets job and Shanahan's firing we will see, expect a decison out of Dove Valley in who the next coach will be sometime soon...before this time next week.
Is it Bill Cowher, maybe, no mater what, as tough as it is for me to say it. Pat Bowlen made the best decision he could and Shannahan will coach a different team next year. Go Broncos!!!
(and my new second favorite team.... Mike Shanahan's new team, The NEW YORK JETS)
December 31, 2008
5:02 a.m.
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Bcra4u writes:
Please dont go to a AFC rival team Mike, PLEASE!!!!! You will REALLY be missed Mr. Shanahan. I still will be rooting for the Orange and Blue no matter what and it really will be interesting to see what canidates will be auditioned in the coming weeks. Oh and who ever thinks that our PRO BOWL quarterback and wide reciever should be cut and think that they are they problem should have their fan license taken away.
December 31, 2008
6:17 a.m.
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nmbronco1 writes:
I understand where Cutler is coming from, especially since hearing what former players TD and Mark Schlereth have said in their roles as professional TV commentators. Mike Shanahan has been one of the best head coaches in the league for many years, and it is truly sad to see him be fired by the team he built and loved.
If it came down to a decision by Bowlen to take away some of Shanahan's almost complete power, I can understand that to. However, for Shanahan's firing to come after a brief 5 minute conversation seems very odd to me. I kept on waking up all night just wondering what will happen next with the Broncos. Today is the sad 2nd anniversary of Darrent Williams' murder, and I remember clearly both the shock of losing to the 49ers and the tragic loss of DW. In many ways, this is even worse, as the Broncos truly are in limbo. Maybe it works out for the best as we all hope it does. Still, Mike Shanahan is not a coach or a presence who will be easy to replace.
December 31, 2008
6:24 a.m.
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mrfxx writes:
Shanahan has been a great coach but a lousy GM. You don't suppose after 21 years that Bowlen offered to let him stay as head coach and Shanny declined do you? As one of the commentators on 1510 said yesterday, it was as if Shanahan started reading his press clippings.
I don't hold Shanahan entirely responsible for the season ending blow-up. Last year, the Broncos had more starters out for the season and more total injuries than in both Super Bowl seasons combined - and this year was worse. HOWEVER - at what point over the last 4 weeks (not to mention the entire season) was Shanahan responsible for going to the defensive coordinator and letting him know that his work was unacceptable? And who was the "leader" on the defense to light a fire under the players? It was a combination failure, but ultimately, the "buck stops" with the head coach - especially since there had been offensive and defensive coordinator shakeups over the past few years (didn't the Broncos have 3 defensive coordinators in the last 4 years?) - and if (as I suspect) Shanahan turned down a "demotion" to only being head coach, then he had to go.
December 31, 2008
6:55 a.m.
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hallandnash writes:
don't cloud your judgement people -- Mike isn't the only coach in the league.
Bottomline: # of playoff games won since 1999 (9 years): 1
Years without playoffs in a row: 3
Win % last 3 years: .500
That's ugly folks... plain and simple
December 31, 2008
7:20 a.m.
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broncophanman writes:
anybody who wants cutler gone is a moron. he's a great QB who will only get better with a solid run game and if you can't see it you don't know anything about football.
December 31, 2008
7:30 a.m.
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cptndunsel writes:
I imagine Shanny sold Pat on Cutler being the 2nd coming. How else do you justify shelving a QB who helped get you to the AFC Championship game when you are 7-4 at the time?
Cutler's #s over 2 1/2 years are no better than Plummer's #s. A bit higher comp % but thats it. Couple that with move from Plummer (72% win %) to Cutler (46%) and you have an issue.
Shanny and his ego have been issues, but when we won we accepted it. When you lose the magic you need to adapt - never happened. This year's collapse pushed Pat into the conclusion Shanny had lost it.
I agree. Hope we get a decent replacement.
December 31, 2008
7:57 a.m.
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Juice writes:
Sell the team to the Monforts!
They can hire Detroit's fired coach (can't think of his name, but it really doesn't matter) and we can move the team to Limon.
Rough years ahead!
December 31, 2008
8:24 a.m.
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Astro1 writes:
Well, lemme see here - on one hand we have the people saying that there's something wrong with Jay - and on the other, we have Jay who has set records this year for most yards in a season, total offense, attempts, completions, and all without a first-string RB for 80% of the games. Hmmmm ..... sounds like those in the former area don't know what they're talking about - or they're disgruntled Rayduhs or Chefs fans - or both.
December 31, 2008
8:39 a.m.
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Chacmool writes:
Who Me? You had to think long and hard to come up with as stupid a comment as possible. Dream on moron.
December 31, 2008
8:47 a.m.
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Jojowalk writes:
Jay Cutler needs to shut up and grow up. He's suppose to be the leader of this team and he's questioning the owner? I also defended Shanahan for last 5 years but recently came to the conclusion that he had to go. He's a control freak that had complete control over this team and personnel. The defense s*cks and nobody else to blame but Shanahan. Just ask the last 4 defensive coordinators! Time for new young blood. Please don't hire a retread good ole boy. Let someone else have Cowher. Young and defensive minded. That's what we need!
December 31, 2008
8:53 a.m.
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kmeissner writes:
It's funny how everyone wanted him gone and now that he is everyone is complaining about it.
I just hope they can find a coach half as good as he is. I don't think Cowher is the answer.
December 31, 2008
9:02 a.m.
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Webmaster writes:
Cutler you are a horrible quarterback. Not to mention your cocky attitude and your unnecessary expressions when one of your teammates drops a ball or fumbles. You act like your poop don't stink. You throw a pick, it's ok. Marshall drops a pass and you all over him. I watch you during the post game interview which is BARELY aired due to your lack of personality, and I watch you roll your eyes and treat the person asking you the questions like they don't deserve your time. You are a pathetic loser and I can't wait until the Broncos ship you off to a city that deserves you. Maybe a city like San Diego or Oakland.
December 31, 2008
9:13 a.m.
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trudon writes:
Come on Cutler, things like this happen every year. I don't care what you think about Shanahan or if you don't like the move. The whole think in pro sports is to WIN that's the one common factor in all sports. You have been associated with the broncos for just 3 years. I've been a bronco fan since the start-up of the old AFC div. in 1960. I've seen strip socks, games played in the Old DU statium. I seen more players and coaches come and go than walmart stores. What Denver needs a person who is a D-man, we have "O" to get the job done, but it DEFENSES that win championships.
December 31, 2008
9:17 a.m.
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Astro1 writes:
So Jojo blathers more crap about Jay when he really doesn't know anything about it - Mr. Elway questioned the owner and the coach too, and rightly so or we still wouldn't have any Championships around here other than the Avs. And if you go back and actually read what Jay said, he didn't question the owner - he said, "I'm not pleased with it at all", and there isn't an NFL QB anywhere that likes their drafting coach to be released - that's just how it is, because it takes the QB out of their familiarity zone. What some think is lack of maturity on Jay's part is really his frustration, just like in the game Sunday when the coaches, including Shanny, were trying to tell Jay to run some glitter play before half-time, and Jay dismissed them with the wave of his hand and called his own play that worked - Elway had to be proud.
December 31, 2008
9:19 a.m.
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bagwan writes:
Some facts to try to put Shanahan's record in perspective with other great NFL names:
-- going into this season the Broncos had the 6th best record in the NFL in the time since Elway left
-- the hallowed franchise of Dallas hasn't won a playoff game since 1996
-- Bill Parcells hasn't won a Super Bowl since 1990
-- it took Bill Cowher 14 years to win his one and only Super Bowl which he promptly followed with and 8 and 8 season
And let me close with an opinion: anyone who thinks Jay Cutler is a crybaby for sticking up for his coach is a raging idiot.
December 31, 2008
9:22 a.m.
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hoppman writes:
Yeah bring back Jake the mistake, that will fix everything. (rolling my eyes) Some of the posters don't even understand football. Cutler carried this team as far as it was gong to go with NO defense, LOUSY special teams and NO running game to speak of. Jake the mistake would have led this team to 2-14. The big problem was the efence, but like many others, I don't think Shanahan wanted to allow Bowlen to bring in a GM with power, Shanahan was a great offensive mind but a LOUSY judge of defensive talent. Good luck Mike, just go outside the AFC West please.
December 31, 2008
9:31 a.m.
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Rutabaga writes:
There's a lot of people writing with BIG LETTERS today. I like BIG LETTERS too. But why MR. BONG do you want Pat Bowlen to run into a tree, and die? You should try that before you suggest he do it. It hurts. Maybe you think it will help him make a really good decision when he hires his new Mike Shanahan guy?
And somebody else said that there are no good coaches available now. Hah... Mike Shanahan is available. He's a good coach, right? I know Pat Bowlen won't hire Mike again. That would be real dumb. But he might if he runs hard enough into that tree. That's another good reason not to run into the tree, unless you want Mike Shanahan back. Oh, I see MR. BONG, that's your trick. You hope if he runs into a tree hard enough he'll hire Mike back. It's a pretty good idea but it won't work. Mike Shanahan will have to run into a tree too to want to come back after he was fired. And what are the chances of that happening. Maybe you should go back to the BONG and think some more MR. BONG. I think you need a better plan...
December 31, 2008
9:44 a.m.
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MarcoPolo writes:
You did the right thing, Pat.
December 31, 2008
10:04 a.m.
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RightDownTheMiddle writes:
I liked Shanny and will never forget the Super Bowls he brought us.
But let's be honest....since Elway left he simply couldn't motivate the Broncs in big games. Period.
We got destroyed by Indy twice in the playoffs. We didn't show up to play the Steelers in the AFC Championship at home. We couldn't beat the freakin 49ers at home with the playoffs on the line. I won't even bother mentioning our inability to show up to our biggest games this year since the wounds are still too raw.
Bottom line.....for whatever reason we were god awful in big games in the last several years. Not just bad....but awful. Terrible. Horrible. Some of the most embarrassing beatdowns ever.
At some point you have to realize that for whatever reason Shanny just wasn't motivating our team for the big games.
It's a shame but it's time for some fresh blood.....
December 31, 2008
10:35 a.m.
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jersey writes:
Cutler I'm sure whomever your next coach happens to be will be thrilled to know how you feel about the firing and will feel welcomed. FYI: Player's play, coaches coach and the owner signs their paychecks just as long as he deems he should. That's a perk in being an OWNER! If you have a bruised ego because Bowlen did not ask for your approval, and why on Earth would he even consider it seeing how you are not even close to Elway's stature, you are the cry baby in which many have accused you of being. Once again, keep your mouth shut and one can only guess.......open your mouth, you should know the rest!
December 31, 2008
10:40 a.m.
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Jubei writes:
Rutabaga, that was the best smackdown I've read in a while...
As for Jay, yes, he does need to grow up some. However, to think he's a 'horrible' QB, is asinine.
But what do Elway during the SB years, Plummer during his stint in Denver, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, and Chad Pennington all have in common?
Defenses that were at least respectable and great running games.
Like a bunk defensive line will expose great DBs, a bunk defense and a bunk running game will expose great QBs.
Give the kid at least a better D, and a consistent run game, and if he still doesn't win and he still sulks, THEN get rid of him.
It's like you people expect him to build the Sistine Chapel with a pile of dog feces...
December 31, 2008
10:50 a.m.
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ktbelievable writes:
Shut up Cutler...become a man who carries himself as such and maybe your opinion will matter!!
December 31, 2008
10:54 a.m.
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truth22 writes:
Take away Elway, Sharpe and Davis (all potential HOF'ers)and "The Mastermind" is just a good offensive coordinator and a "journeyman" head coach.
December 31, 2008
10:55 a.m.
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bassman writes:
Jay will always say what's on his mind. Gotta respect him for that. Of course he likes Shanny. He is becoming one of the best young QB's in the game despite the sub-moronic rantings of some fans. With a decent defense and running game he won't force the bad throws he made this year. Elway made a lot of bad throws as a young gunslinger also.
December 31, 2008
11:01 a.m.
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bagwan writes:
Cutler's stats this year: 62% completion, 4526 yards, 25 TDs and 18 ints
Elway's 3rd year stats: 54% completion,3891 yards,22 TDs and 23 ints
December 31, 2008
11:51 a.m.
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truth22 writes:
Cutler fits Shanny's system better. Don't even try to compare #7's stats to this kid's. By the time Shanny came back to coach here Davis, was the offense not John's arm.
Shanny, said that Brian Griese could be another Joe Montana......
Mastermind?
December 31, 2008
12:47 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
Webmaster, you haven't a clue about what you're talking about. You, or hillbillygoth. Read Bagwan's stats for Cutler and Elway. Or Hoppman's post. Try learning something 1st, before you speak.
broncophanman, I've been telling these idiots the same thing, all year long. They have no football knowledge, whatsoever. Take them with a grain of salt. They are Broncos bashers who's opinions are worthless and negative.
cptndunsel, your comparing Cutlers stats to Plummers was ludicrous. Plummer was a seasoned QB when he came to Denver. Cutler started the last 5 games of his rookie year. Jake choked against Pittsburgh, which was his forte. He had 4 years to get us there. Couldn't do it. But Cutler got us to the final game of the season, fighting for the AFC West title with 7th and 8th string RB's. No defense, whatsoever.Your analogy was weak.
bassman, straight up.
December 31, 2008
12:59 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
jersey, keep in mind, when Reeves was ready to leave, Elway opened his yap and said "many a not too kind thing" about Dan. It happens. They (Shanahan and Cutler) had a close relationship. Is it wrong to say you're unhappy about something when a bomb was thrown on you, as this one was? No, he spoke his mind and I'm sure he'll move on. But you don't follow "like a good little soldier" because someone writes your checks. You voice your opinion. Cutler will move past this, I'm sure, but I saw nothing wrong with what he said. It took everyone by surprise and I'm sure and there are others who aren't happy. It just happened to be Cutler who was interviewed.
December 31, 2008
1:17 p.m.
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jersey writes:
Dynamic: Two wrongs don't make a right. I stand by what I said of keeping your mouth shut when not asked by the boss your opinion. He's the boss and you're the employee and if you don't like his decision making happy trails.The incoming coach is seeking your support rather than resentment especially in nothing he had to do with in the first place. "Cut" You are replaceable just like your predecessors. From what I've been reading in the Post's there are a lot of fans wishing to expedite that change given your immaturity.
December 31, 2008
1:24 p.m.
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chargertom writes:
I think Jackie Cutlet is a great QB who has PROVED he can win at every level except college and pro.
After 'Cutlets Last Stand', good luck with your team-mates after they see the tape of you bad mouthing them.
On behalf of the city of San Diego, we welcome the Oakland Raiders on their return as our only real, division competition.
December 31, 2008
1:34 p.m.
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Jubei writes:
Not me, Jersey. Removing any of the pieces of the offense would be the height of stupidity at this point. Removing the QB would be madness.
I fully acknowledge that Jay needs to mature some, but I really like the fact that he answers questions directly. He doesn't lapse into that tired crap we get from other athletes who just puke out cliches.
Besides, he's basically been asked to go out and win 12+ games every season with one hand behind his back and wearing a blindfold. The defense and ST are dead weight, and the running game was inconsistent.
How do you win when you're fighting the other team AND your own?
December 31, 2008
1:47 p.m.
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bagwan writes:
Jersey, you describe Cutler as being replaceable. I am curious who you would have replace him. Maybe the two guys who were drafted ahead of him (Leinart & Young) --- their teams don't seem to need them.
December 31, 2008
2:10 p.m.
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thatsmemsd writes:
Big Mistake Bowlen, big mistake!
December 31, 2008
2:22 p.m.
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Jubei writes:
zoomy:
I'm cool with Shanahan going to Detroit as long as YOU go with him.
December 31, 2008
2:27 p.m.
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dirkle writes:
Cutler and Cowher - = oil and water (or spit).
NO COWHER!!!!!! - NOOOO COWHERRRRR!!!
December 31, 2008
2:28 p.m.
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chabuka writes:
Just maybe if John Elway came back into the organization..Jay would stop competing with John while playing on the field and get to know him as a person..instead of a legend...might help
December 31, 2008
2:30 p.m.
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jersey writes:
Bagman: I simply mean't replacement as to his being not to be misconstrued as to his talent. Nobody plays forever and all are replaceable. The game does go on.
December 31, 2008
2:46 p.m.
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MarcoPolo writes:
The funny thing is, if Cutler does go to another team he'll still be throwing to Broncos jerseys anyway :)
December 31, 2008
3:15 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
Jubei, pay no mind to "zoomy". He was spouting off stupid comments on another article. he knows squat about football talent. Same with MarcoPolo.
Jersey, sorry, still disagree. Bowlen doesn't have all the answers, nor does he expect a player to be a "Stepford Wife". Football is an emotional game, as well. Bonds get formed and opinions get voiced. Also, if you read the latest article in the RMN, Bowlen and Cutler sat down and talked and Jay was behaving himself and the conversation went well. My hope is that they keep Dennison and keep the offense clicking. The D and ST's need the work, not the O.
December 31, 2008
4:22 p.m.
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incognitoboy writes:
hillbillygoth, californiahater, and webmaster need to get the H#// OFF whatever drugs they're on and go troll the raiders' site. those so-called fans appreciate your perspective.....
BE GONE, TROLLS!!!!!
cutler is understandably shocked, as we real football fans are too. maybe it was time for a change, but how it was done was not something many of us foresaw, only the hater trolls out there.
cut the guy some slack. he KNOWS what he had, and now has some real uncertainty in his immediate future. i'd be pissed too.
December 31, 2008
5 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
Incognitoboy, agreed. But hillbillysloth, Windork, gloomy(zoomy), Webdisaster, and others we know (Or don't know. Who is Webmaster and zoomy? Never came on before? Trolls) are the negative force on the Broncos blogs. They carry that smug, obnoxious attitude with them everywhere. Probably get in a lot of fights that way, talking negative constantly. People don't like negative bashers. When they say Cutler is a bad QB, they are showing their ignorance and their childish, arrogant personality. These guys get on the blog to stir up trouble, as is typical from trolls. They are a dime a dozen. If they were students in my martial arts class, with an attitude as negative as theirs, they would be finding another class, rather than trying to bring my class down with their dribble. Pay them no more mind, Incognitoboy. Lets just focus on the future of the Broncos and not the trolls. They are what they are. GO BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 31, 2008
6:57 p.m.
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FTR writes:
DD
Where are all of these new posters coming from? I like how you are keeping them informed of Facts and history bud! But you will be up the next week until the wee hours. Let them rant and rave until they leave and a Good exchange of information among us Bronco Nation fans can continue. I for one do not know what to think! Its like I do not know all the facts yet. I do know one thing we will not be average for 2-3 years because of this.
GO BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FTR
December 31, 2008
8:09 p.m.
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chargertom writes:
No...you'll be BELOW average...just like Jackie Cutlets winning%.
December 31, 2008
9:02 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
See, FTR? Chargertom is just what I spoke of. A troll who never had the cajones to write in and talk smack BEFORE the game. No, he had to wait till it was decided in fear of making himself look bad. To late, Chargertom. We see your true side. You're a "bandwagon Chargers fan". You are a disgrace to the real Chargers fans. Oh, and your boys, they will be "1 and done" and Cutler is STILL going to play in the Pro Bowl. You know, that game where the "BEST", play? The one that Rivers won't see unless Brett drops out? Nice try, bandwagoning troll.
December 31, 2008
9:12 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
FTR, with my mom ill and in the hospital and me, taking care of my father, I'll be home a lot. Can't even go out for New Years but I have my gal pal coming over to spend New Years with me and we'll pop some champagne and make a night of it. Happy New Year to you and the rest of the Broncos fans who I've talked with over the year. It was a hell of a run and I will continue to post and keep my fingers crossed that Bowlen makes some wise decisions in the next few weeks. We'll see.
January 1, 2009
3:14 a.m.
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caveman writes:
ive been reading the blogs here since the season started and havent really said anything the whole year. i just wanna say that Dynamicdave, u r my favorite poster. most of these ppl are fake bt u speak the truth. also i also wanna say that even though im kinda sad to see shanahan go, ill still b a bronco fan no matter what. the blue and orange comes before any indivual coach or player.
go broncos
January 1, 2009
8:21 a.m.
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chargertom writes:
True....I wasn't here...was raising HELL in the D. Post rag but after banning 3 of my usernames they finally banned my IP...LOL.
Nothing like that free speech as practiced by The Peoples Republic Of Denver.
Bandwaggoner...hardly...Chargerfan since my first game at age 8 in 1963.
As for the Pro Bowl and the 'Best'...I'd assume the 'best' are still playing...lol.
Gee...I wonder what pays more; a trip to Hawaii or that 1) extra game check... 2) that huge chunk of NBC revenue...3) the activation of all those incentive clauses by making the playoffs?
Enjoy your three years of rebuilding with your crybaby, under .500 as a starter QB....he's proven he can win at every level except college and pro.
Enjoy watching Phillip Rivers in the playoffs.
Playoffs....remember those?....I know it's been awhile...
January 1, 2009
11:03 a.m.
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Jubei writes:
chargertom = Tom F from the DP boards doesn't it?
Getting banned is something to be proud of, right buddy? I highly doubt that you got kicked due to your acute insight and razor-sharp wit. No, from what I saw on the DP boards, your MO was to puke out some weak smack talk, and then repeat often.
Unfortunately, these boards don't have provisions for ignoring certain posters. I'll just have to treat your 3rd grade level musings as noise.
You're the internet equivalent of a gnat, fella, and will be treated as such.
Super Bowls wins... Remember those...
Oh yeah, you wouldn't, would you?
January 1, 2009
1:42 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
Jubei, took the words right out of my mouth.
Chargertom, you brag about being kicked off a site 3 times? Why brag? Be ashamed. It speaks volumes for your personality. Being banned requires certain requirements...
1.) Being foul-mouthed.
2.) Being threatening.
3.) Making racist comments.
4.) Being "all of the above".
Something tells me you were #4. Time to grow up. Nobody likes trolls who come in and get foul. You haven't done it yet, here, but from what you explained to us about the Denver Post, that's your forte. On the street, that kind of behaviour will get you into trouble. Time to clean up the act, Chargertom. We have fans of other teams come on and we can talk. Then there are the "fans" (I still use that term loosely when it comes to you, because of your attitude), who were never seen before and hopefully never seen again, because they come on only to "bash and run". They're called "trolls", Chargertom. Speak football, not foulball.
January 1, 2009
1:50 p.m.
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Dynamicdave writes:
Caveman, keep the faith.