1 still critical after shooting outside club
By Jeff Kass, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published December 29, 2008 at 12:05 a.m.
Kendall Davis says Denver police show up at Club Vinyl three to five times a week and fights are common.
But early Saturday morning, Davis, who works at a hotel down the street from Vinyl, saw something different: five people on the 1000 block of Broadway who had been shot.
One victim remained hospitalized Sunday in critical condition at Denver Health Medical Center, a spokeswoman said. The four others were treated and released from the same hospital.
Police on Sunday still had few details on what happened other than to say that "unknown assailants" shot the five as they walked out of "a local bar."
A representative from Club Vinyl at 1082 Broadway could not be reached for comment Sunday. Rapper E-40 was slated to play at the club Friday.
Over the past six months, Denver police have connected six alleged crimes to Vinyl's address, according to city records. Four involved assaults and one involved "public disorder." There was one auto theft.
Another club on the same block, The Shelter, was where friends of Denver Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams were involved in an altercation with alleged gang members on New Year's Day 2007. Williams was later shot dead nearby as he sat in a limousine.
Davis, who was working security at the 11th Avenue Hotel early Saturday, said the shooting victim who appeared be hurt worst was hit in the neck. The man, who was at the southwest corner of 11th and Broadway, was dressed in jeans and a T-shirt and was surrounded by perhaps 15 people who appeared to be friends.
Davis, who was in uniform, said he helped move the crowd back so police could get to the man, who appeared to be in his early 20s.
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December 29, 2008
8:10 a.m.
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Marshdale writes:
Why? What the hell is the point of these gangs of young people killing each other? Are they so desparate and without hope that they cant see life beyond their noses despite there face? Is it retribution, fighting for turf, or some other B# reason that pops in their head? I don't get it. I just wish they would stop.
December 29, 2008
8:25 a.m.
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2coolvk writes:
Surprise, Surprise! When is city council going to get off their fat butts and make a serious decision and declare this place a public nuisance? What will it take? I was in LoDo around the same time which is extremely rare for me at 1:00 AM coming home from a friend's house and I saw two fistfights going on within three blocks of each other. Just another Thursday/Friday/Saturday/Hip hop Sunday night in Denver I suppose...
December 29, 2008
9:10 a.m.
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thechemo writes:
Some people won't want to hear this, but having worked security downtown for two years recently, the pattern is this: club owners want more money, so they start hip-hop nights. These nights attract a certain fan base. Soon afterwards, the fights, stabbings and shootings start, then the club quickly goes downhill and sometimes closes. See: Lotus, Club Purple. That not racist, that's a fact based on personal experience and reality. The music, its performers and its corresponding street culture practically encourages bad behavior, same as some hard metal genres. Whether I personally like hip-hop or not (I do like some, not all), I will not go to a club featuring it because of the potential for violence. If you don't want to take the chance you getting caught in random and potentially deadly violence, then I suggest you don't either.
December 29, 2008
9:30 a.m.
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diamondstay writes:
You expect the city council to step in and help? You haven't heard the latest. The City is currently agreeing to an outside amphitheater in the same block. There's a city plan to discourage this kind of use in this area but the city is acting contrary to their own city plan! Get the picture! Just be sure to pack your six shooter whenever you walk down Broadway and don't expect the city to help you. Mr. Williams was in a Humvee and he still got killed!
December 29, 2008
9:38 a.m.
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c4l2a0 writes:
Most of these incidents do not involve "innocent" people. Five people were not gunned down for simply walking down the street. I can't say that I really feel sorry for them.
Survival of the fittest.
These types of people will disappear once they have killed each other off.
When will the black community finally realize that this hip-hop culture is more of a threat than big bad whitey? Hmm...maybe Obama will be able to do some good...
As far as the city of Denver, why can't they consider Vinyl and the others to be a nusiance and shut them down?
December 29, 2008
10:31 a.m.
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CaptainObvious writes:
If they want to shoot each other to prove who's toughest, let them. I'll be home, safe in bed. Want to live longer? Don't go to rap concerts of the after parties. Shootings happen so often in that culture that to be surprised by it anymore means you haven't been paying attention.
December 29, 2008
10:40 a.m.
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truth22 writes:
Pretty opinionated aren't we, C412No. You seem to have all of the answers to these issues. What does Obama have to do with this?
Friggin' bigot!
December 29, 2008
10:47 a.m.
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Barron writes:
Re: "c4l2a0 writes: When will the black community finally realize that this hip-hop culture is more of a threat than big bad whitey? Hmm...maybe Obama will be able to do some good..."
Sorry c412a0, but I have to point out that this is a simplistic and ignorant statement, bordering on racist. I know (well, at least I hope) you mean it in a good "tough-love" way, but to say that the entire hip hop community is threatening is, well, ignorant. (And who even uses the term "whitey" anyway?!? LOL!!) This shooting involves stupid drunk thugs, that's all. It's not the fault of the "hip-hop culture," the artist who was going to perform, or Obama.
December 29, 2008
11:10 a.m.
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c4l2a0 writes:
Where do I begin....
First of all, truth22, I'm definitely not a "Friggin' bigot". I also don't "seem to have all of the answers to these issues" as I ended most of my sentences with "?". I mention Obama, not to blame, but to say that I hope he is able to be a positive, influential black role model (finally).
I also don't see how my comment could be considered racist. I guess it's a "black thang" and I wouldn't understand..
December 29, 2008
11:25 a.m.
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Barron writes:
Re: c4l2a0 writes: "I also don't see how my comment could be considered racist. I guess it's a "black thang" and I wouldn't understand.."
It's because you refuse to look beyond your own limited scope.
December 29, 2008
11:26 a.m.
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fubarcirca1985 writes:
c4I2 I am assuming you are white, shouldn't you know a white person cant talk about race without being racist! I agree with you and your arguement, i have had the same arguements. Calling you a racist bigot is the easy way out. Its happened to me, I've had white people call me racist for saying what you are saying, its ridiculous
December 29, 2008
11:27 a.m.
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truth22 writes:
412Ao, you continue to put your foot in your mouth. Obviously you aren't even smart enought to know when you are making stupid statements like this beauty:
"....but to say that I hope he is able to be a positive, influential black role model (finally)....."
Was the word "FINALLY" necessary you idjut!
There are and have been plenty of positive role models LONG before Obama came on the scene.
No, it's not a Black thing it's your ignorance to the facts!
December 29, 2008
11:28 a.m.
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Clarence_Boddicker writes:
Yeah c4l2a0, how can you see your comments as racist given your level of ignorance?
December 29, 2008
11:29 a.m.
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LoneTreeLady75 writes:
c4l2a0 writes: ...."Obama, not to blame, but to say that I hope he is able to be a positive, influential black role model (finally)."
You're tone is insanely condescending. The African-American community has quite a few positive and influential role models like Colin Powell, Bill Cosby, Russell Simmons and Terrence Carroll (just to name a few). The venue at the Vinyl was an 18+ event, meaning that it was probably full of young knuckleheads trying to make a name for themselves, and older men that are above the nonsense. One of the victims that was released from Denver Health is a 28 year old family man that was at the venue entertaining family members that were in town for the holidays. He was simply walking out of the club when he was shot in the face. For those that are blaming rap/hip hop music and the culture, your opinion is based off a few news reports and newspaper articles. There are quite a few rappers out that have a positive message and are pretty large in the business because they dont promote violence (Common, Talib Kweli, Mos Def...etc).
December 29, 2008
11:30 a.m.
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ColoradanReadingFromNY writes:
oh, buddy... c412ao: using phrases like "black thang" is racist. come on, you're obviously a biggot and you know it.
December 29, 2008
11:32 a.m.
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truth22 writes:
Fubu, instead of taking sides why don't you read the posts and TRY to comprehend what we are saying. I never called him a racist but his (412oh) statements are stereotypical and ignorant.
Yes, anyone can discuss race and it helps if they know what they are talking about.
December 29, 2008
11:36 a.m.
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Valdie911 writes:
I agree that shutting down Vinyl is a good idea, especially since Denver PD refuses to commit to a police presence there; but we must realize that simply shutting down clubs is not going to fix the problem. If Vinyl, and its sister clubs, are shut down then the bangers and gangs will simply find a new place to start stirring up trouble. The problem is obviously broader than just specific night clubs. As for condemning the city for trying to build an outside ampitheater; there's no reason why we should deprive good citizens of recreation in retaliation against the anti-socials of our community. In my opinion, any club that has a record of violence MUST have a police presence, otherwise it must be shut down.
Welcome to the Wild West!
December 29, 2008
11:37 a.m.
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truth22 writes:
LoneTree, role models don't have to be public figures. My primary role model was my DAD (yes I had one) and others like coaches, Uncles and plenty others in my lifetime.
All kids can't be reached. Sad but true.
December 29, 2008
11:44 a.m.
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c4l2a0 writes:
I obviously hit a nerve.
The comment about it being a "black thang" comes from my years of being told that by black people. I didn't just make it up. I remember t-shirts that had that on it.
Sure, there are plenty of rappers and hip-hop artists that have a positive image, but the majority, and the best selling, glorify the "gangsta" lifestyle. The black community and the wiggers in the suburbs took it hook, line, and sinker. If we weren't raising our kids with this garbage, Montghetto wouldn't be the mess that it is.
People like Sharpton, Jessie Jackson (who called Obama a ni**er) get all upset when Imus uses the term "nappy headed hoes" but rarely do I hear them talk about the harm that the hip-hop culture has done to the black community. Look how it has created a sterotype in my own racist mind!
December 29, 2008
11:50 a.m.
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Theboys writes:
I am not sure if any of you are aware that downtown is VERY diverse and its not just a "black thang". The interesting thing is the predominantly "black clubs" which are not located downtown usually do NOT have this type of activity. As it was stated, downtown night clubs cater to the young knuckleheads who do not know how to conduct themselves in a proper manner. My question is where within the article did it state it was a "black thang" anyway? White and hispanic people like E-40 last time I checked.
December 29, 2008
11:52 a.m.
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LoneTreeLady75 writes:
Completely agree with you Truth; I just didnt want to open another can of worms (from previous posts I've read on here, a few of the posters dont believe black fathers exist). I grew up without my father (who was white) and all of my uncles were alcoholics, so a few of my teachers were the only positive role models I had growing up. C4l2a0 plugged President-elect Obama like he was the only positive black public figure, which is why I listed more.
December 29, 2008
11:55 a.m.
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Valdie911 writes:
There is a difference between being RACIST and simply DISCRIMINITVE. If c412a0 believes that all african americans are born to be bangers and live to shoot up clubs, then yes YOU ARE A RACIST. But if he is simply contributing to a stereotype, then that is natural. Stereotyping is second-nature to all of us. Would I be a racist if I were to say "those spoiled white kids who keep shooting up schools need to stop playing GTA and start doing homework..."?
December 29, 2008
11:57 a.m.
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truth22 writes:
C42ho, your choice of words are making you look very ignorant and stupid. Wiggers? Montghetto?
Jesse Jackson is a shakedown artist. I have very little respect for him. I agree that there is some blatant hypocrisy among BLACKS but you think that we all think the same.
Btw, the "black thing" is so old. Stop living in the eighties!
December 29, 2008
12:02 p.m.
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CaptainObvious writes:
"For those that are blaming rap/hip hop music and the culture, your opinion is based off a few news reports and newspaper articles."
Wrong. Shootings like this are becoming a regular thing in cities across the nation. It's happened a dozen times in Denver alone in 2008. The one common denominator is not race, but the "thug" lifestyle that glamorizes criminality. If you don't like that reality, work to change it. But denying it will not solve any of these problems.
December 29, 2008
12:06 p.m.
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Finding_Forever writes:
LOL @ c4l2a0! You're out of your mind if you think Al and Jesse still speak for the black community. To quote one rapper, "Forget Jesse Jackson cause it aint about race now!" People like Al and Jesse exist for selfish reasons, and to magnify their personal agenda. MontBELLO is the mess it is today because of the decisions the children that live in the community chose to make. Its not fair to blame music of any genre when something bad happens. If that were the case, it would be ok to blame "Puff the Magic Dragon" for the marjiuana craze in the 60's and 70's right? If your child is easily influenced by song lyrics, then maybe you as a parent should question your parenting skills.
December 29, 2008
12:09 p.m.
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truth22 writes:
Kalaz, what about the innocent people (kids?) getting shot by these thugs? They fire randomly at times and miss their targets as well.
Couldn't think that far ahead but you managed to tag welfare onto this discussion! Nice job!
December 29, 2008
12:18 p.m.
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Chilo writes:
This stuff was happening before the music,they rap about what they seen and been through stuff like this we don't go listen to the music and then say man I need to go shoot someone.It's gangs and that was around before hip hop.
December 29, 2008
12:18 p.m.
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LoneTreeLady75 writes:
Captain writes "....The one common denominator is not race, but the "thug" lifestyle that glamorizes criminality. If you don't like that reality, work to change it. But denying it will not solve any of these problems."
I have been a victims advocate for adolescents for the past seven years, and before that I was a social worker for Arapahoe county for five years. My husband and I volunteer quite often with the Prodigal Son Initiative and the Daniel's Fund. For the last 13 years of my life, I have worked to change it, and believe me, rap music, its artists and its lyrics are the last thing on these kids minds before they go out and indulge and detrimental behavior.
December 29, 2008
12:21 p.m.
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c4l2a0 writes:
Ok, NWA (N*ggas with Atitude) had a profound influence on young people back in the 80's which is undeniable. Everyone wanted to be like Dre and Easy E. and Ice Cube. Snoop rapping about Cop Killas, Tupac and his "thug life"....it's this type of culture which has been sold to the youth of this country which glorifies violence, demeans women, and creates a false sense of reality. (I won't bother delving into the issue of "professional" athletes...Melo and the "Die Snitches" album cover, Darrent Williams murder.....)
My point is that this culture is responsible for the violence at Denver night clubs. Prime example being what happened to Darrent Williams, at the night club next door to Vinyl. Too many big, bad egos from children raised on "gangsta rap"
December 29, 2008
12:39 p.m.
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truth22 writes:
C412: NWA? You really are stuck in the eighties!
As someone stated earlier the violence was going on in the inner cities before rap or hip hop came out.
Melo, didn't say that. Snoop didn't make "Cop Killa" it was IceT and the music to it was a "punk rock" type beat! Get your facts straight, Einstein!!!!
Yes, the pop culture of living the gangsta life is part of the problem but not the only reason.
December 29, 2008
12:39 p.m.
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Barron writes:
C412a0, Dre, Snoop and ice Cube are millionaire suburban dads. I'm sure they never "busted a cap" on anyone. What you describe is a long time ago. Listening to a CD doesn't make anyone ball their fists in rage, go get a gun and shoot at people unless they are already crazy. Blame hip hop music until you are blue in the face, and it doesn't change reality. Thugs with guns are responsible for these shootings, not E-470.
December 29, 2008
12:52 p.m.
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fubarcirca1985 writes:
Barron E-470 is a highway and i agree with you clearly not to blame, but i think what you meant was E-40. Who is listening to him anyway? He was a one (maybe two) hit wonder from a few years ago.
December 29, 2008
12:52 p.m.
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LOUIE writes:
BARRON, that's E-40, not E-470, I hope E-470 is safe to drive! ;>)
December 29, 2008
12:54 p.m.
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c4l2a0 writes:
So because I use history to explain why we find ourselves in the current situation, you call me "stuck in the 80s". Sure Snoop didn't write Cop Killa, I was thinking of "187 on a muthaF-ing cop".
My bad. (Am I allowed to say that?)
I'm not trying to say the music causes violence, but it creates a culture where violence is accepted and glorified. This shooting didn't happen outside of a Grateful Dead concert.
And I never stated that this is the sole reason for the violence, just a key contributing factor.
December 29, 2008
12:55 p.m.
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Barron writes:
Laughing at myself!
December 29, 2008
12:57 p.m.
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CaptainObvious writes:
Then why does it happen at rap concerts/parties so often? Yes, gun violence happens elsewhere (re. shooting at Grizzly Rose a few weeks ago) I'm not denying that, but there is a huge difference in the numbers of shootings at rap concerts/parties compared to any other type of music. That disparity proves you "it's not the rap culture" people wrong. When you glorify violence and criminality, you cannot act surprised when gun violence like this happens as often as it does.
December 29, 2008
1:03 p.m.
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POTES writes:
Club Vinyl needs to be shut down, there have been more fights & shootings at that club. It's almost as bad as the Bash. Like I said a few days ago, when you 18 yr old kids partying w/ grown people, that combo does not mix at all. And I agree w/ Barron, E 40 had nothing to w/ these people getting shot & niether did HIP HOP, it's these silly scary @$$ people w/ the guns. And believe me, it's not going to change. As long as there is a club open & LIQUID COURAGE being served, this city is going to keep seeing this problem. The (new) DENVER gang unit is a joke, don't be scared of these "so- called" gangstas! Go ask the gang unit of the late 80's early 90's for some help.
December 29, 2008
1:04 p.m.
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TheRundown writes:
c4l2a0 - I really hope you're not pro-creating, I'm pretty sure your genetic profile is more dangerous than anything happening at Club Vinyl.....wow
December 29, 2008
1:06 p.m.
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c4l2a0 writes:
truth22:
The target of much of the venom in the "Stop Snitching" DVD is Tyree Stewart, a marijuana kingpin who reportedly once tooled around West Baltimore in a $100,000 Mercedes. Almost from the moment he was busted in 2003, he has been arranging drug buys between associates and undercover officers.
"Tyree ran our neighborhood," Carmelo Anthony says. "Now he's working with the state and the feds. You can't do that. He turned his back on the 'hood."
"That ['Stop Snitching'] video just glamorizes thug life," says Matt Jablow, spokesman for the Baltimore police department.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns...
December 29, 2008
1:09 p.m.
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truth22 writes:
Why is the violence more common at these places? Because you have a vast array of opposing gangbangers, crack dealers and other criminal factions high, liquored up and LOOKING for trouble.
C412, you can say whatever you want but if you are incorrect or showng your ignorance, I will let you know.
Btw, it's almost 2009. Get some new examples besides your 80's idols. I notice that you didn't mention, MC Hammer. Why because he had positive
messages in his music or because you are upset that you can't wear those "Jeannie" pants like he used to wear anymore?
Just asking........
December 29, 2008
1:13 p.m.
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truth22 writes:
c4l2a0 writes:
truth22:
The target of much of the venom in the "Stop Snitching" DVD is Tyree Stewart, a marijuana kingpin who reportedly once tooled around West Baltimore in a $100,000 Mercedes. Almost from the moment he was busted in 2003, he has been arranging drug buys between associates and undercover officers.
"Tyree ran our neighborhood," Carmelo Anthony says. "Now he's working with the state and the feds. You can't do that. He turned his back on the 'hood."
"That ['Stop Snitching'] video just glamorizes thug life," says Matt Jablow, spokesman for the Baltimore police department.
NICE GOOGLE, C412!!!
December 29, 2008
1:17 p.m.
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c4l2a0 writes:
truth22:
Gangsta rap wasn't introduced in 2008, it all started with NWA back in the 80s. It's impossible to understand the present without looking at the past.
So, how about Fitty Cent. He's a fine upstanding role model...
BTW- I still wear my MC Hammer pants.
December 29, 2008
1:19 p.m.
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c4l2a0 writes:
Sorry, I'm white. That should have read "Fifty Cents".
December 29, 2008
1:24 p.m.
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CaptainObvious writes:
c412: "BTW- I still wear my MC Hammer pants."
Ha! Good one! I'm out on that comment.
Happy (and safe) New Year's everyone.
December 29, 2008
1:31 p.m.
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POTES writes:
The problem w/ most "gasngsta" rap, is that, the guys doing the rappin, aren't even gangstas themselves. They are doing a whole lot of lying & misguiding the youth, that I am trying to save.
December 29, 2008
1:32 p.m.
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Garrett writes:
Excuse me (fubarcirca1985) but you need to get your facts straight but E-40 is a wescoast legend and co- founder/ promoter of th "Hyphey movement" which is a huge bayarea culture like unto the South "Crunk movement". E-40 more than two or three hits, please talk only what you know.
December 29, 2008
1:34 p.m.
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truth22 writes:
Again C412, your sad sarcasm comes out regarding 50 cent.
Who cares what you call him and don't apoligize for being White do it for being ignorant.
I know when NWA started. I liked there music but it never drove me to violence or crime and to this day I don't own a gun.
December 29, 2008
2:04 p.m.
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fubarcirca1985 writes:
truth22 I have listened to NWA and have Straight Outta Compton on my ipod and I have guns yet have never commited a violent crime or any crime; not really sure what you are trying to connect there. The reality is that blacks own 10% of guns but are part of 50% of murders with guns. You are just making excuses for people that have a tendency to commit crimes
December 29, 2008
2:06 p.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Of all the artist names, I could really personally identify with "ODB", "OLD DIRTY B@STARD", I don't care what anybody says, that's a real name. Shames he's R.I.P. today.
December 29, 2008
2:10 p.m.
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V_twinMan writes:
Shut down the clubs owned by Christou, The Shelter, Vinyl, Funky Budah, etc. or at the very least revoke his liquor license.
Denver city council needs to stop this NOW!
The violence that occurs in these establishments IS due to the hip hop culture....
December 29, 2008
2:21 p.m.
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JaneyMary writes:
I have been reading all of your comments and I can't understand why the hip hop community is being defended so vehemently. Sure, one would not expect someone to go on a shooting spree after listening to one violent rap song. But one could expect an impressionable (young) person to revere these artists and become intrigued with the lifestyle after listening to their music. So - maybe their idol has never actually "busted a cap" on anyone, but they sure act like they have and like there is nothing wrong with behaving that way. Before you know it these kids are dressing like these hip-hop stars, rapping like them, and for better or for worse, they start behaving like they think these stars behave. It is no different than some suburban kid with his violent video games becoming desensitized to violence then shooting up his high school because he got pissed at his peers. Except there is no reset button in real life.
December 29, 2008
2:38 p.m.
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RBN writes:
The people were black, I was there, I saw the whole thing go down. 20 something kids...99% black. tragic, awful, too common. This is dumb, it has everything to do with the music and people who listen to it. To many people think they are in New York or L.A. This is Denver. This should not be happening.
December 29, 2008
2:40 p.m.
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truth22 writes:
Fuba, can you read? I don't excuse their behavior so stop putting words in my mouth and yes, I know about the crime statistics concerning Blacks.
Stop Googling up facts and start trying to comprehend what you are reading.....
December 29, 2008
2:52 p.m.
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truth22 writes:
Rbn, music doesn't kill, people do. The stupid kind.
December 29, 2008
3:42 p.m.
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Barron writes:
RBN, I suppose everyone is supposed to just take your word for it, huh? Okay, i was there too and saw it all...
December 29, 2008
3:52 p.m.
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POTES writes:
Rbn,I don't think the fact that, this isn't LA or NY, people are committing these crimes. There are ignorant people all over the US. That is 1 problem w/ the people of Colorado, they don't think we have a serious problem w/ crime or that our state is trying to immulate another state. The problem is, these young people trying to impress some of the older out dated gangstas in this town & our government not prosecuting these young people. The young people of today, don't have fathers or someone in thier lives teaching them true morales & what life is really about. They have no RESPECT for self or others. And too, you have alot of different organizations out faking & pretending to do gang outreach programs & don't have a clue as to what they are really doing. It's alot of people out here in the community confusing & messing w/ these young peoples minds. And when I say young people, I say this because, most of the crimes being done are by kids in jr high or high school or some older dumbies hanging w/ kids in jr high or high school.
December 29, 2008
3:54 p.m.
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fubarcirca1985 writes:
truth, i didnt google that, it was in a Playboy article a few months ago. Yes, i do read the articles
December 29, 2008
3:57 p.m.
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FamilyFirst writes:
I think it's that people (just about any race) do not have ANY respect for life. They are born into that kind of lifestyle and are not taught how to function 'normally' in society. It is their norm to kill and/or die for some misplaced form of respect. I still say that it is a parent's responsibility to teach and train their children to be functional adults and to teach them to make wise decisions, not impulsive ones.
December 29, 2008
4:11 p.m.
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truth22 writes:
Yeah right Fabu, you thoroughly read the comments here just like you subscribe to PLAYBOY for the literature only! Hah!!!
December 29, 2008
4:12 p.m.
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POTES writes:
FamilyFirst, alot of the young people today party w/ thier moms or moms boyfriend (at the time), because these sorry @$$ men won't take the time to spend w/ thier kids. I think it's hard for females to raise boys, but not impossible, but once the boys start hangin out w/ these losers for men, the picture changes.
My thing is this, bring all of our troops back from Iraq & let all these "so called" hard core killing gangstas go over there & deal w/ that.
December 29, 2008
4:34 p.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Sidebar: Playboy magazine? I always, personally speaking, proffered Hustler over Playboy, but then again if I'm looking at a skin magazine, it isn't for the articles. Playboy compared to Hustler is like a high school choir compared to the New York Opera! One's hot, the others not.
December 29, 2008
4:35 p.m.
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truth22 writes:
Pote, what makes a strong and efficient military?
Discipline, respect, honor, pride, bravery to name a few. How many of these cowards have those qualities?
December 29, 2008
4:56 p.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Actually the military used to do just that; I went in in the early 70's when they took in all kinds of felons. See the good people turned on the military and many of the Vietnam vets, ridiculed everything about the military as well as the returning vets. Sure glad that's changed today for the sake of these kids coming back from Iraq. Thus they had to lower the bar and except many people like myself with a severe felony records. It straightened out many a kid to be truthful, I however wasn't one of them as after my honorable discharge I returned to work for even more powerful elements in the criminal world. But the military could very well be a turning point for a kid going the wrong way truthfully speaking.
December 29, 2008
6:16 p.m.
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Cowicide writes:
Artist: E-40 Lyrics
Album: My Ghetto Report Card Lyrics
Title: Yay Area Lyrics
[Verse 1]
Heavyweight, a vet not an amateur (What else?)
Looted up, I pushed pies like moon calendar (What you gonna do?)
Shoot it up if I must, take over shop
Get out the car and walk, sneak up on partner and do a dome-shot
Ka-pow, ka-pow, ka-pow, ka-pow, oooh
Then I blend into the crowd
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Conservative white men in power love this music. It keeps the black man down and out of the way of world domination. There's not much struggle with people that squabble at clubs and only end up in dead ni--er storage in the end. Wake up, black people... you are only playing into their hands. You are slaves to the puppetmaster. Now I'm going to go listen to some Slayer and forget I even heard this sad dead ni--er sh-t. I set my goals much higher than trying to get respect at some club.
December 29, 2008
11:32 p.m.
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Cowicide writes:
With a name like "Reality_Check" I would think you'd know that these clubs make way more than "thousands" off of hip hop shows, etc. If the fines are any less than *tens of thousands* the club owners will just consider the fines "cost of business".
December 29, 2008
11:36 p.m.
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POTES writes:
truth22, you are right about that & there is no loyalty, honor, respect or discipline in the gang culture, but let me say this, that is not true for all gang members (95%) of gang members are 4 real cowards. Some of them dudes are real good dudes, just scared to be thier own person & walk away from that nonsense.
December 30, 2008
5:46 a.m.
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LOUIE writes:
REALITY_CHECK, first off, Chief Whitman after the Truax shooting and the cities liability of several hundreds of thousands of dollars, will never allow Denver Police to work the clubs anymore, regardless of whether the club owner pays for it or not. Smart man. Secondly, the shooting are occuring outside the clubs, thus not the club owner direct responsibility as Commander Dilley whose district includes LODO as well as South Broadway, has stated. Third, it's happening in LODO as well, not just Mr. Chritou's clubs. I don't want the city up for liability exposure policing the clubs, it costs the taxpayer dearly as it places liability on the Denver Police Department not the club owner. Think about what your saying before you say it; your suggestion has already cost the taxpayer dearly. Believe me the club owners would love to pay the money to put the liability on the city as happened already in the Truax case. Not a good idea, Chief Whitman is no fool, he has a long memory.
December 30, 2008
6:15 a.m.
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LOUIE writes:
The owner of the 11th Avenue Hotel is one to point the finger; cops have responded there numerious, countless times in the last 4 or 5 years. One woman was murder there and stuffed in a closet and lit on fire. The 11th Avenue Hotel is equally a blight and a drain on tax dollars concerning the police having to show up over the years at that trashed out dive on Broadway the owner calls a "hotel". Roach Motel is more like it. Look at how many times the cops have had to respond to that Hotel because of complaints in the last 4 or 5 years. I have seen it many times as I am in the neighborhood quite a bit over the years. As far as the owner of the "Hotel", glad you hired security, but you are a Mr, Pot meeting a Mr, Kettle when pointing the finger at anyone. At least Mr. Christou's properties are a hell of a lot cleaner than your dive, as he at least reconditions and rebuilds the property instead of being a slumlord like your establishment appears. His clubs may have issues, but you are no charmed business to have around either pal, regardlees of how much money you give the Golden Triangle Association! Mr Christou puts 180 people to work feeding their families in the Golden Triangle, bringing economic prosperity to a formerly blighted area which were once abandoned and left vacant. Other than the value of your property, what economic prosperity have you brought to the neighborhood, how many mouths do you feed? All I see is poverty and blight at your place of business to be critisizing Mr. Christou pal. Clean your own act up, then address others. Any good murders inside your hotel lately? Whats the average room cost anyway? Glad you finally hired security!