Sir Mario Owens sentenced to death
He murdered Javad Marshall-Fields and Vivian Wolfe in 2005
By April M. Washington, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published December 8, 2008 at 11:05 a.m.
Photo by Matt McClain / The Rocky
Rhonda Marshall-Fields, center, the mother of Javad Marshall-Fields, stands next to Christine Wolfe, the mother of Vivian Wolfe, as they address the media Monday following the death sentence for Sir Mario Owens at the Arapahoe County Courthouse in Centennial.
Photo by Associated Press / 2006
Sir Mario Owens sits in court in 2006 after being indicted in the deaths of Javad Marshall-Fields and his fiancee, Vivian Wolfe.
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Just before a judge sentenced him to death, Sir Mario Owens looked at the mothers of his two victims and grinned.
The chilling gesture riveted the Arapahoe County courtroom Monday.
"This defendant coldly, calculatingly and completely without conscience or a scintilla of mercy or remorse murdered two young people," Arapahoe County Assistant District Attorney John Howard said as he urged the judge to impose the death penalty.
"Sir Mario Owens has inflicted enough anguish and grief on our community," he added.
In 2005, Owens gunned down Javad Marshall-Fields and his fiancee, Vivian Wolfe, as they sat in their car at an Aurora intersection.
Family members of the dead sweethearts, both 22, hugged as Arapahoe County Judge Gerald Rafferty imposed two death sentences, one for each victim. The judge added 65 years of imprisonment for other charges, including conspiracy to commit murder.
"This has devastated our lives. It has destroyed our lives," Christine Wolfe, Vivian's mother, said after the sentencing. "Every time I come into the courtroom I'm so angry, I want him to pay."
Owens, 23, wearing gold-rim glasses, remained mostly stone- faced as the judge announced his fate.
But the victims' mothers said they were stunned when Owens changed his expression only to grin at them as they recounted their agonizing losses in court.
Rafferty stayed the death sentence pending the normal review that the Colorado Supreme Court makes in all capital cases.
Owens was found guilty in May on two counts of first-degree murder in connection with the deaths of Marshall-Fields and Wolfe, who had graduated from Colorado State University just weeks before they were killed.
The judge affirmed the trial jury's June recommendation that Owens die for his crime.
Prosecutors said the slayings were particularly heinous because they were carried out days before Marshall-Fields was to testify against Owens and Robert Ray for killing his buddy during a July 4, 2004, rap music party at Aurora's Lowry Park.
Ray, accused of being Owens' accomplice in the murders, faces the death penalty in a trial scheduled for mid-February.
Despite the brazen slaying of the eyewitness, Owens was convicted and received a life-without- parole sentence for gunning down 20-year-old Gregory Vann at the park.
Rhonda Marshall-Fields, mother of Javad Marshall-Fields, spoke bluntly during the 15 minutes Rafferty allowed each victims' family to address the court.
She said 15 minutes was not enough.
She said she went to Mount Olivet Cemetery, where the two young people are buried side by side, to stand by her son's grave and ponder how she could sum up his memory, his stolen promise, in just minutes.
"Fifteen minutes to me minimizes the pain and harm caused by the crime," she said. "It seems unfair, because the loss is so great.
"It took 15 minutes to get to the crime scene, to push my way through.
"It took 15 minutes to read the T-shirt that said 'Dead men don't talk,' " which the killers threw down at the murder scene.
"It took 15 minutes to wake up from a nightmare, watching Ja vad and Vivian in a car with their eyes wide open, sitting in a pool of blood, crying for help."
Owens will become the second inmate on Colorado's death row, joining Nathan Dunlap, who was sentenced to death in 1996 for murdering four people at an Aurora Chuck E. Cheese's restaurant in 1994.
Dunlap, now 34, is appealing the penalty in U.S. District Court.
Monica Owens, mother of Sir Mario Owens, has said the verdict will be appealed.
The judge said Owens will remain at the Arapahoe County Jail for a week while he and his attorneys consider a possible appeal.
The judge said he would allow Owens to receive visits in jail from his family. Until now, he has been denied phone privileges and visits.
The victims' families cried foul, saying Owens should be stripped of all his rights.
"He's simply no more than a walking dead man now, looking to take up space," said Mike Prosser, Wolfe's stepfather.
Life on death row
* There is no area at the Canon City prison reserved for inmates facing the death penalty. They are housed alongside other prisoners. An inmate under a death sentence is confined to an individual cell 23 hours a day. An inmate showers and exercises in the remaining hour.
* Breakfast is served from 5:30-6 a.m.; lunch from 11 to 11:30 a.m.; dinner from 4:30-5 p.m.
* A death row inmate is allowed 21/2 hours of visitation weekly in a setting that does not allow physical contact. He can furnish his cell with a TV, radio, two books, newspapers and magazines.
* An inmate can check out materials from the prison library and the law library. An inmate who fulfills requirements for education and other programs can watch movies shown by prison authorities.
About the death penalty
* Colorado conducted its first execution in 1890, when Noverto Griego was hanged for murder.
* 45 men were put to death by hanging until 1933, when the state switched to the gas chamber.
* Thirty-two men died in Colorado's gas chamber between 1933 and 1967. No woman has been executed in Colorado.
* Lethal injection replaced the gas chamber in 1967.
* The U.S. Supreme Court declared the death penalty unconstitutional in 1972, then overturned that decision in 1976. The Colorado legislature revised state laws in 1984 to reinstate the death penalty.
* Gary Lee Davis, who kidnapped Virginia May from her farmhouse near Byers and murdered her in July 1986, was executed in 1997. He was the first man put to death in Colorado in 30 years and the only one to die in Colorado by injection. Davis is the last man to have been executed on Colorado's death row.
* There now will be two men on death row at the Colorado State Penitentiary in Canon City. Sir Mario Owens joins Nathan Dunlap, who murdered four people in connection with the robbery of an Aurora Chuck E Cheese in 1993. Earlier this year, the U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear Dunlap's appeal. The Colorado Supreme Court has upheld the conviction three times. Dunlap's case is under appeal before a U.S. District Court.
What's next? *
Sir Mario Owens is scheduled to die by injection the week of March 15-21.
* The judge stayed his sentence pending the normal review the Colorado Supreme Court makes in all capital cases. The review could take months or years.
* Next Monday, Owens will have his formal death sentence advisement. At that time he will make a decision regarding attorney representation for an appeal.
* For now, he will remain in the Arapahoe County jail, awaiting transfer to the penitentiary in Canon City.
* Owens' family has previously said the verdict will be appealed. Any appeal will be heard by the state Supreme Court.
* Owens' alleged accomplice, Robert Ray, faces the death penalty in a trial scheduled for mid-February.
Timeline in Owens case
* July 4, 2004: Gregory Vann, 20, is shot to death after a July 4 party at Lowry Park in Aurora. Vann's brother and friend Javad Marshall-Fields chase the gunman and are wounded as they try to catch him. Police focus on Robert Ray and Sir Mario Owens as suspects.
* June 20, 2005: Marshall-Fields and his fiancee, Vivian Wolfe, are shot and killed in Aurora, one week before Marshall-Fields is scheduled to testify in Ray's murder trial.
* Nov. 6, 2005: Owens is arrested in Shreveport, La., on a first-degree murder charge in Vann's death.
* Dec. 29, 2005: After fighting extradition, Owens makes an appearance in Arapahoe County Court on the Vann murder charge.
* March 9, 2006: Owens and Ray are charged with first-degree murder in the deaths of Marshall-Fields and Wolfe. DNA gathered at the scene of the murders matches that of Owens.
* Nov. 4, 2006: Jury finds Robert Ray guilty of attempted first-degree murder and accessory to murder in Vann's death. He gets 108 years.
* Jan. 30, 2007: Owens is convicted of first-degree murder in the death of Vann and sentenced to life in prison. Owens also is convicted on two counts of attempted second- degree murder for shooting at Marshall-Fields and Vann's brother when they tried to stop him from fleeing the scene of the July 4, 2004, violence at Lowry Park.
* May 14, 2008: Jury finds Owens guilty of seven counts in the Marshall-Fields and Wolfe case.
* June 16, 2008: Jury decides to sentence Owens to death.
* Dec. 9, 2008: Judge affirms jury's death-sentence recommendation, setting March execution date.
* February 2009: Ray scheduled for death penalty trial as accused accomplice.
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December 8, 2008
11:17 a.m.
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Buckwheat writes:
Not so bad now are you??? PUNK.
December 8, 2008
11:26 a.m.
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theairdog writes:
May we refer to him as Thug Mario Owens from now on?
December 8, 2008
11:34 a.m.
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Willy writes:
You're next Willy
December 8, 2008
11:34 a.m.
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Buffs writes:
Justice has been served. Javad was a wonderful young man. He practiced with our Women's Basketball team up at CSU and always was available whenever we needed him. Sad to see him go the way that he did but also delighted with this news. RIP Javad and Vivian.
December 8, 2008
11:36 a.m.
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gr8fuldude writes:
The only downside to this is that given the fact that CO does not use its death penalty, these two POS will sit for a VERY long time at our expense.
December 8, 2008
11:38 a.m.
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JustSayin writes:
"declared that Owens would died by lethal injection"
I doubt the judge said that. So reporters are writing in street vernacular now?
December 8, 2008
11:41 a.m.
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philvysor writes:
Now will Colorado have the B*LL$ to execute. Don't think so, he will just hang out in his room 23 hours a day doing nothing at our expense.
December 8, 2008
11:57 a.m.
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OldSailor writes:
Colorado doesn't have a Governor who has the balls to use the death penalty. He'll probably give them both an "Ag Trespass"
December 8, 2008
11:58 a.m.
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davies writes:
A total of two people on Death Row, and both are young black men. One of the reasons I voted for Obama is because of the hope that he will give the newest generation of black male kids someone to look up to besides NBA stars and rappers. I pray to God not for the death of this thug, but for the death of the subculture that glorifies violence, anti-social behavior and fatherless children.
December 8, 2008
12:01 p.m.
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Illegallydead writes:
haha JustSayin, you too caught the egregious error. Please fire the dumb son-of-a-***** who actually was in such a rush to publish this that they didn't proofread there article.
As for the content itself, good, kill the man. Although the article does not make much sense, if the man was already on a life sentence how did he kill these two again? I do not know the details, but it seems that the guy obviously has no place in human society. Although there will inevitably be 20 years of appeals. Am I the only one that thinks that in a clear-cut case like this that the judge should be allowed to just shoot the guy right then and there and be done with the 20+ year, multi-million dollar of taxpayer money appeal process?
December 8, 2008
12:11 p.m.
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T1anda writes:
Illegalydead..Why fire the "son-of-*****"he/she will be out of a job anyway if the RMN doesn't find a buyer.
December 8, 2008
12:15 p.m.
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oldgunney writes:
Its too bad that the parents of these two young people will not live long enough to see this pos die!On the bright side,maybe he and Nathan will get married and invite everyone to the wedding.
December 8, 2008
12:17 p.m.
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EP writes:
Javad was a lovely young man, I knew him as we both played rec. soccer together as kids. This likely won't bring the families peace, but hopefully it's one step closer.
December 8, 2008
12:26 p.m.
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Michael writes:
davies - Good point and well said. I hope so too.
December 8, 2008
12:44 p.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
New Year's resolution for Ritter: BOTH of these guy dead by the end of his term as Governor.
December 8, 2008
12:52 p.m.
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RockyMtnWhiteRat writes:
How ironic, there Thug Mario Owen!!! You threw a red "Dead Men Don't Talk" shirt at the murder scene. Hopefully, you won't be speaking much longer either!!! You are a coward & a cold blooded killer who will get everything you deserve when the lights go out at night in joint my friend. Your "boyish looking" appearance will do nicely there I'm sure.
Perhaps you and "The Juice" can be Pen Pals as Murderers R' Us!
You Reap What You Sow Thug Mario!!! I don't know how your mommy could stand by you. If my kid murdered three innocent people, he'd be on his own!
December 8, 2008
12:52 p.m.
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JimmyTheSaint writes:
Works for me, cowboy. And please put them both out in the general prison population.
December 8, 2008
12:53 p.m.
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birddog writes:
Can we make Mario wear the T-Shirt that said "Dead men don't talk" every day. Then of course the day of his execution...........
December 8, 2008
12:57 p.m.
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flyboyjoe writes:
I think some of the citizens of Denver and outlying areas should take up a collection and buy "Sir Mario" a headstone the day he meets his maker (hopefully we won't have to wait 11 years). The question is should we get a blue or green porta-potty?
December 8, 2008
1:05 p.m.
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nativegirl writes:
pffffttt...Death by old age.
December 8, 2008
1:16 p.m.
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blondiearvada writes:
The word Sir is directed to men of respect. His momma definately named him wrong. Un-knight this moron.
December 8, 2008
1:18 p.m.
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gatengreen writes:
The death penalty could be a deterrent if, it were administered in a time frame that this cold blooded killer's friends were still around to see him punished for his crime.
If we are going to wait for 15 or 20 years, it would be less expensive to let him do hard time in jail. Let's not waste the money on lawyers to work on his appeal and their retirement program. That is taxpayer money that could be used for something worthwhile or returned to the tax payers.
December 8, 2008
1:31 p.m.
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darkman writes:
Davies - I have to agree with you here. Although I didn't vote for Obama because I disagree with most of his positions on issues, two good things about him being elected (in my opinion) are:
1. We have proven that race is not an issue even for the highest office.
2. As you stated, it gives young black people a role model other than NBA, NFL and rappers. Hopefully this will help shut up those who blame every problem that affects minorities to a larger than caucasians on racism and claim that everything is stacked against you in life if you are black. I would love to see a day when you don't even think about race any more than you look at a person's hair or eye color.
Lastly, I sure wish we could somehow reform the way we handle the death penalty without ending up with a system that executes people that are later exonerated. The process should not take as long as it does. It amazes me that it is much more expensive to execute a criminal than to keep in in prison for life.
December 8, 2008
1:40 p.m.
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fifty writes:
If ever there has been a case that screams death penalty, this is it.
Many people pointed out that taxpayers are going to have to pay more for this death penalty sentence without the benefit of thug Mario being put to death. I can sympathize with that and a good newspaper should report on the likelihood of the death penalty being carried out.
But, too often some people look at immediate consequences rather than the entire picture. Paying for the death penalty and not carrying it out is one issue while the cost of the death penalty itself is another. Too often people state that the death penalty is too costly. The death penalty itself is costly, but in the grand scheme of things, it actually saves us money because we can offer a plea bargain of life in prison without parole to many other criminals, thus avoiding the expenses of a trial. If our highest punishment were life in prison without parole, the highest plea bargain punishment would have to be life in prison with the possibility of parole, thus necessitating a trial for those we did not want to parole.
To the person who slammed single parenthood: Nearly all if not all school shooters have had a father in the home. (There may have been one who didn't.) Fathers in the home don't necessarily stop violence; some even teach their children to be violent. All of the single parents I know are middle-class and they have wonderful children. Thug Mario may have been more influenced by the criminal nature of the men around him as opposed to the absence of a father. Obviously, there were too many strikes against thug Mario.
December 8, 2008
1:43 p.m.
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serpiente writes:
Agree with Nodoubt. It will take 20 years to proceed with the excecution..in the mean time he will get a law degree and try to get himself free. Why I dont waste my time doing jury duty. These people should be excecuted within a week of been sentenced to death by a jury of their peers. Respect the jury's decision or dont waste people's time. MHO.
December 8, 2008
1:44 p.m.
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nicolec writes:
I hope this brings closure to Javad and Vivian's families. I knew Javad as a child and am sick thinking about how quickly some psycho can make the decision to end any of our lives.
One minor note- Illegallydead- you may want to proofread your own words before writing such a nasty note about the RMN's editorial mistake- their, there and they're all mean different things...
December 8, 2008
2:11 p.m.
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buffsblg writes:
Just to be clear, the Governor has absolutely nothing to do with this case unless and until Owens' conviction is upheld in State and Federal Courts and Owens then seeks clemency or pardon. The time it takes to get through the system is not in his control, nor does he have any say over the appeal. By including Ritter, those like Cowboy and oldsailor who hunger so strongly to kill show their total ignorance of the constitution and the judicial system.
Both the state and Federal courts have prioritized death penalty appeals to give them first shot at the Courts and the Feds have repeatedly enacted statutes to limit death penalty appeals. While appeals do take time, lets remember that about 2 dozen innocent men have been released from death row over the last few years due to incontrovertible evidence found or revealed years after the crime. I know that cowboy is willing to let a few innocent men die for his bloodlust, but if you shorten or limit the appeals then you increase greatly the chance of killing an innocent person. Remember in every one of those cases there was someone who desperately wanted the defendant dead and was convinced the defendant was guilty. A jury verdict can be wrong and when we are looking to kill someone, maybe a bit of deliberation is appropriate.
December 8, 2008
2:40 p.m.
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SoCol writes:
fifty- good point, i was unaware of that and about to bring up the expense issue. However,one other BIG problem I have with the death penalty is the number of innocent men on death row that have been exonerated by dna evidence when that technology became available. Hopefully, with dna and other new technologies, this is a thing of the past but one innocent man being executed is one too many and is a powerful argument against the death penalty.
For the record, I think crimes like this should be punished by death but the possibility of executions of innocent men should give any society pause.
December 8, 2008
2:59 p.m.
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unhyphenated writes:
Illegallydead writes: Please fire the dumb son-of-a-***** who actually was in such a rush to publish this that they didn't proofread their article.
Not to mention spelling their surname different, once as Wolf and another Wolfe. Which is it?
December 8, 2008
3:34 p.m.
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johnson writes:
Colorado has a death penalty in name only. We the taxpayers will be shelling out the bucks to keep this POS alive for the next 50 years.
December 8, 2008
4:03 p.m.
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buffsblg writes:
Those who are angry that Colorado has not killed enough people should remember that the most recent reversals of the death penalty occurred because the legislature screwed it up. Republican legislators, mad that juries kept choosing life, put the death penalty in the hands of judges, despite warnings from prosecutors and defense attorneys that it was unconstitutional. A few men were sentenced under that statute, but those sentences were overturned a few years later when the Supreme Court, mainly the conservative branch, found that juries had to make that decision. No one who understood the law was surprised, but as a result 4 or 5 death penalties were overturned. In trying to kill people faster, the legislature instead insured life sentences.
December 8, 2008
4:05 p.m.
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buffsblg writes:
by the way serpiente, when you say "respect the jury decision" I assume that you believe that Tim Masters should still be in prison although DNA proved him innocent. The jury there was certain as well. Your "humble opinion" would result in a lot of dead innocent people.
December 8, 2008
4:47 p.m.
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Who_Me writes:
Nice crap job of editing the sidebar info, RMN. Editors already jump ship? Under review by Judge Naughty? How can that be given that Naughty is no longer a judge?
December 8, 2008
4:49 p.m.
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Devil_Dog writes:
davies
First I have to say that I did not vote for Obama. That said your reason to vote for him is the best reason I've heard to date. I hope your wish comes true!
God Bless!
December 8, 2008
5:03 p.m.
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Devil_Dog writes:
buffsblg
As usual in your zeal to glorify all lawyers and democrats, you have forgotten one little piece of the puzzle...
Most of the cases that have been overturned were due to DNA and the people convicted wrongly were convicted prior to DNA. And the Masters case was screwed up due to the abuse of the legal system by the prosecutors, both now judges.
So lawyers aren't always so great and yes some people are wrongly convicted.
December 8, 2008
5:04 p.m.
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Who_Me writes:
serpiente,
Your comment belies all common sense. Many of the 100+ men who have been freed from prison/death row as a result of advances in DNA testing (Project Innocence) would be dead now if your bizarre logic or reasoning were in place as a whole. Good thing juries never get it wrong, right? Or that investigators never cook the evidence (see: Tarrant County, Texas). OJ was innocent too, the first time around, that is. What a mind-numbingly stupid thing to believe. I'm surprised you can even read, one would presume that if you could read, you would possess some iota of common sense. Guess not.
December 8, 2008
5:08 p.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
buffsblg - Maybe you're right? Maybe Sir Mario didn't do it after all? Maybe DNA will exonerate him in the end?
A perfect example of the sorry world we live in: "Innocent until proven guilty (and still Innocent AFTER proven guilty)". Sir Mario's appeals will go endlessly on (as long as some lawyer can milk a buck out of it).
buffsblg - I've met and talked with the mother in the picture. Tell her that her son's murderer deserves more of a chance than her dead son got. We've been hanging murderers since the founding of the nation - and the Constitution has survived just fine.
December 8, 2008
5:12 p.m.
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HollyGoLightly writes:
I get your point, Buffsblg but in this case I think he should get the death penalty ASAP. What are the chances he would be convicted of not one, not two, but three murders? I'm going to assume that he had two separate trials with two separate juries. The chances of being innocent equates to slim. Like I said though, I understand your point. Slim is not 100% but I really believe in this case he is indeed guilty of cold blooded murder with no remorse.
December 8, 2008
5:15 p.m.
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buffsblg writes:
In your haste to personally vilify me Devil dog, you l totally misstate what I said. Try to point out one time in my 5 posts today that I glorified lawyers or even mentioned Democrats. You clearly can read, so it must be that you choose to deliberately lie about my position, which speaks to your moral makeup, not mine.
All I said was that appeals need to work to see what actually happened and that those like serpinete who want executions with in a week are advocating a position that would result in the death of innocent people. I do not know personally what Owen did or did not do as I did not attend the trial. Certainly the jury made a finding and that deserves respect, but so does the appeal process. All I have done is point out that innocent people are convicted by juries who are just as certain as the posters on here are about Owens. I have never defended Owens and the crime he is convicted of is an horrific assault on the system. Masters was convicted at trial, went through appeals and without some special circumstances would be sitting in prison right now. You are certain that Owens is guilty, fine, but we have concrete evidence that the system screws up some times, which is why appeals need to take place.
December 8, 2008
5:33 p.m.
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ThinkDeep writes:
This sentence needs to be executed expeditiously. If he can smile at the victims relatives during their expression of pain we are dealing with a person that is beyond our ability to cure at this time. Kill him quickly and save us all some money.
December 8, 2008
5:58 p.m.
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SoCol writes:
Cowboy- You and devil dog took buffsblogs point and not only misinterpreted it but actually added content. Nowhere did he say anything about this particular guy being let off, he's simply saying the system screws up more than every once in a while and due process on the way to killing someone MUST be observed, unless you'd like innocent blood on YOUR hands, perhaps? Maybe you can go speak personally with the hundreds of wives, mothers and daughters of guys who were released from death row after being proven innocent after all and see how you feel after THAT experience. Sheesh.
December 8, 2008
6:17 p.m.
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ZUBU writes:
This guy should be punished for the crimes he has committed and all of the individuals who helped murder the three people who were killed.
Having said that, please quit with the asinine sterotypes in regard to Blacks only having NBA, NFL, and Rappers to look up to. What the "F"? I'm in my 40's and there have always been many Black men and women for Black youth to look up to. Sadly many White Americans "think" that Black youth only aspire to be sports stars or entertainers, sadly. Possibly many of "you" should get to know Black Americans a bit better, and not just hold on to the dated stereotypes. Whites created those fallacies and you're the only ones who believe them; thankfully most Blacks don't buy into that hogwash!
December 8, 2008
7:16 p.m.
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wow writes:
I don't know, but for me, life in a small room with nothing to do but watch tv, no one to talk to, one hour a day to shower, and no human contact.... I'd probably die of loneliness/depression within a year. I support the death penalty, but in this case, hangin is to good for him. Let him suffer.
December 8, 2008
10:37 p.m.
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leavemealone writes:
Total waste of air....
Execute this punk NOW!!!
December 9, 2008
5:04 a.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Yesterday I rode the bus down Federal to downtown to go to church at Holy Ghost in the morning, had a conversation with two serious brothers rolling a blunt, it was done quietly in open view. Then 2 days ago on the 5:20 pm 14 westbound from I-25 to Green Mpuntain, a group of young kids sat on the back of the bus using extremely loud, profane, language, the content of which was quite threatening. A large lady stood up twice and requested they refrain to no avail. She was in the front of the bus and I also, the driver could plainly hear what was going on, but also chose to ignore it. Yesterday, same bus, another young man starts talkng about . "I'm gonna slap somebody, Mutherucker". "I'm goin' to waste a Mutherucker". Kept reaching in his backpack acting like he had a gun in the pack. I told him, "I don't care to listen to it.". I silently sit next to this man and rode on, waiting on my nerves to see the firearm, which he never showed. Silently, we rode, as the last thing you want is a young man shooting on a bus with others. Upon getting off the bus he taunted, "Why don't you get off with me...", directed at me. Just silently rode on. World is a changing. RTD has been put on notice about these type of incidents throughout the years, my experence is nothing is done as it continues. I'm sitting with school kids on a public bus, as two discreet "OG"s roll a blunt. Don't let your kids ride a bus alone. You can address Cal Marsella as I once did, and he will say "it's just your perception", as he wrote me a letter back. See he rides a wonderful bus in from Loiusville each day, considerably different from the intercity buses. Most security is concentrated on the lightrail, leaving the buses vurnerable except for cameras and audio perhaps. None of these stop bullets. Sad to see a kid lose his life, whether by gangfire, or lethal injection. Our children seem to have become the mirror of our selfishness. I won one by talking with the "OG"s and listening as they rolled a blunt; lost another as I had to ride in silence close to the kid waitting to see the gun. One I let someone else address the situation. That was all in the last 5 days now. There is no one answer or response, each situation is different. I'd hate to see those who I've riden the bus with for years get injured, I don't care to get shot at, especially when I just read an article how over 50% of shooting go unsolved as they are random acts such as gang activity. It is now a very real part of our society. People of all races and colors, are all affected either by losing a child to the streets, or the streets showing up on the doorstep of innocent people, all the while preying on the young in our society to commit to their lifestyle. Sad America, I put the blame squarely upon the selfishness of our society, I will always reach out and care, for both mothers who have lost a child here, and one who may also lose a son, who was lost somewhere in the cracks of humanity.
December 9, 2008
7:30 a.m.
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buffsblg writes:
Onecreek
There is not reliable forensic evidence or eyewitnesses testimony putting Owens at the scene of this crime, although his DNA was on a piece of clothing at the scene, the DNA expert testified that she could not know when it got there or how. This not like Masters where the DNA was found in a place only the killer would have touched. Owens was convicted based upon strong motive evidence and the testimony of his "friends" and family, some of whom changed their stories, giving some strong circumstantial evidence. I am not saying he is innocent, but to claim that this is some kind of open and shut case determined by forensic evidence is simply incorrect. This is exactly the kind of case you say you want good appeals for. Again, I respect that the jury convicted him, but lets wait for real appellate review before we claim this was some kind of slam dunk case.
December 9, 2008
7:40 a.m.
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buffsblg writes:
Cowboy, I of course have never said that Owens should go free, which you know, but choose to lie about my position. Why is it you must distort what I say to make your point?
What I have said and would say to that tragic mother is that if we follow your path and act out of hasty vengeance we inherently create a system that makes mistakes. Just this week a sex offender was indicted for the rape and murders of three young women. The primary evidence was DNA at the scene.
The sad part is that another man has served 10 years for one of the murders based upon circumstantial evidence even when the forensic evidence did not support it. Do you really believe the parents of that dead girl got "justice" when the system locked up the wrong guy and let a serial killer run free? Owens is locked up for now, a convicted murderer. The appeal, which is expedited by law, is to be as sure as we can that we got the right person. The bottom line Cowboy is that you apparently are certain you and the system are never wrong. I dispute that level of arrogance for either.
December 9, 2008
8:34 a.m.
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davies writes:
ZUBU writes:
"...please quit with the asinine sterotypes in regard to Blacks only having NBA, NFL, and Rappers to look up to. What the "F"? I'm in my 40's and there have always been many Black men and women for Black youth to look up to." "...Whites created those fallacies and you're the only ones who believe them..."
I wasn't writing about you or anyone else personally ZUBU, and I don't stereotype all blacks as being alike. But please don't deny there is any such thing as a street subculture with negative social consequences for young black men. If so, what is the cause for the extraordinarily high rate of black children who grow up with no male parenting, and/or the rate of educational failure, and/or the rate of incarceration of black males? Are you saying it's a genetic difference, or the result of white racism, or are you just in denial that there is even a problem?
December 9, 2008
9:33 a.m.
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Devil_Dog writes:
"the legislature screwed it up. Republican legislators, mad that juries kept choosing life, put the death penalty in the hands of judges, despite warnings from prosecutors and defense attorneys that it was unconstitutional"
A quote from the poor misunderstood villain buffsblg.
As usual buffsblg you try to worm out of the stupid situations you put yourself in but aren't smart enough to do so. No one has to lie about what you said to cast you in a bad light you do that all on your own, over and over again.
December 9, 2008
9:45 a.m.
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davies writes:
The only manner in which buffsblg causes himself to be involved in "stupid situations", is that he tries to make valid legal points to certain types of people who only wish to elevate their own self-image by crucifying others. In that respect, he is wasting his time.
December 9, 2008
10:23 a.m.
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Devil_Dog writes:
davies
Really? You obviously haven't read many of buffsblg's posts over the last couple of years.
December 9, 2008
2:30 p.m.
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sweetater writes:
I hate to see anything happen to anyone honestly, wish we lived in a world that saw no color, or religion and NO stereotyped what so ever.( In these same post all of us singlemoms were stereo typed as being a tramp willing to lay down for a McDonalds hamburger but this case makes me ill )I too have known plenty of Black men and women to look up to.The one of very few times I say the death penalty and injection is to kind for this IDIOT! Why smile at the moms as they are remembering their children, no remorse what so ever I think had that been me I would of walked over and slap him. I don't know if they still are showing The Most Outrages Cases In Court on true T.V. but Mr Chuckie Cheese is on made the top 10 moments He tried to jump on a young man that was testifying at his sentancing and he goes off. Why is it taken him so long to get an appeal in the courts and shouldn't he be gone by now ?
I really think since these idiots (mario and dunlap) and others like them I think we should put them on the front line in a war without a weapon. If they survive then let them live in the general population without the chance of parole or better yet let them stay in the warzone homeless and hungry.