Dream of reducing crime spurs event to buy up guns
By Hector Gutierrez, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published December 4, 2008 at 6:19 p.m.
Have guns?
Will buy.
From noon to 3 p.m. Saturday, Denver residents are invited to sell their firearms - working or not - for $50 each at the "Anti-violence and Gun Buy Back Rally" in front of the Martin Luther King Jr. statue in City Park.
Sponsors, including Denver officials and community organizers, hope to raise $5,000 to $10,000 to buy the guns.
Activist and organizer Alvertis Simmons said he and others organized the event after the September shooting death of popular hot dog vendor Quincy Henderson in Curtis Park.
Henderson was known by customers and friends as the "hot dog dude" who sold dogs and chili in Five Points.
Simmons said he met Henderson's family after the deadly gunfire and was moved to action.
"We have had in the past so much gun violence," said Simmons. "We need to do something . . . Whether it's a Saturday night special or guns that people are not using, guns that are sitting in the house. We don't want people to go break into the home and steal that gun and use that gun in a commission of a crime."
Lawrence Miles, a cousin of Henderson's, said he will appear at the rally. Miles said Henderson was shot after he became embroiled in a fistfight and an assailant pulled a gun.
"What we're trying to get across in this community is that there's enough, enough, enough gun violence," said Miles, who is an aspiring rap artist, as was Henderson. "I don't want to see no more. I've had enough, and I'm standing 100 percent behind this."
Simmons said he and and a group of ministers have raised about $1,500 so far. They also have received some financial help from King Soopers, he said.
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December 4, 2008
6:56 p.m.
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Uno writes:
What will be done with the murderers?
December 4, 2008
7:09 p.m.
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lrntolive_co writes:
Oh good! Now only the criminals will have guns. People did the same thing in Washington DC when I was there, and criminals sold junk, non-working guns to an organization like this and went out and used the money for drugs and working weapons. When are these people going to learn?! Stop with the feel good garbage and do what's difficult - put criminals behind bars!
December 4, 2008
7:14 p.m.
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leavemealone writes:
"Sponsors, including Denver officials and community organizers"
Obama is going to be there?
LOL
What a royal joke!
I wouldn't give these clowns my guns if they paid me thousands of dollars!
December 4, 2008
8:33 p.m.
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blwalker writes:
Oh thank goodness for this incredible foresight! Give me a break! I am very sorry for the Henderson families loss but this is a token act and a publicity stunt. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few donkey faced politicians attend for a photo op. I will not be shopping at King Soopers if they actually support this function. When these guns are taken off the streets to "protect" citizens will background checks be done to match the owner of the gun to the seller? HELL NO!!!!
December 4, 2008
8:43 p.m.
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RemynRay writes:
What will you do if you get a COLT SAA worth $3,000.00 or more dollars?
Or a WINCHESTER 1886 or model 94 worth several thousand dollars?? Thanks, R & R
December 4, 2008
8:49 p.m.
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coloradoan writes:
I'll be there, and I'll be pleased to pay $100 - $200 cash for any functional, excellent condition Sig Sauer, S&W M&P, or Springfield Arms XDM pistols. Double your money over what these guys will pay.
December 4, 2008
9:15 p.m.
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market_man writes:
I will sell one of my non-working pistols and use the proceeds to buy a few hundred rounds of ammo. Thanks guys!!
December 4, 2008
9:22 p.m.
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evlgreg writes:
I hope they make sure and do background checks on the people "buying back" the guns because I'm sure there will be more than 25 guns for sale and more than 3 people, which might make it a "gun show"** in Colorado which means every transaction, including guns sold to an organization, will need to have a background check done on the buyer before the firearm is transferred. Who's the buyer?
**Per CRS 12-26.1-106
(3) "Gun show" means the entire premises provided for an event or function, including but not limited to parking areas for the event or function, that is sponsored to facilitate, in whole or in part, the purchase, sale, offer for sale, or collection of firearms at which:
(a) twenty-five or more firearms are offered or exhibited for sale, transfer, or exchange; or
(b) not less than three gun show vendors exhibit, sell, offer for sale, transfer, or exchange firearms.
December 4, 2008
9:28 p.m.
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rage_against_the_stupid writes:
Sell your worthless guns but do not give a dime to these so called community organizers. They are frauds and yet always get free press, even after all the years of theft and corruption.
And the RMN is still scratching its head about why advertising revenues are down.
December 4, 2008
9:46 p.m.
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DW writes:
Maybe we should host a french-fry or cigarette buy-back rally. Hey, I know, let's buy back all the knives, too. And cars. Yeah, that's it. Cars kill people. My favorite recently seen bumper sticker: "Guns kill people like spoons make people fat." People who use guns irresponsibly or illegally sure aren't going to be the ones selling their guns at this rally. Get real.
December 4, 2008
10:01 p.m.
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leavemealone writes:
Hey Denver officials and community organizers,
read evlgreg post at 9:22am....
I'm going to be there to make sure you have the paperwork required by law!!!
See-ya at 12noon, you morons
December 4, 2008
10:21 p.m.
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angryman1n writes:
What do they plan on doing w/ all these weapons? Where can I buy one? It doesn't work if all they do is pawn them off.
So, how about this? Sell them to licensed/responsible gun owners for a small profit. Then use the funds to help after school/education programs.
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What's the first rule of fight club? .... Never pick a fight w/ a man you can't beat. Fists don't beat guns. Smrt!
December 5, 2008
12:59 a.m.
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agzela writes:
I luv the title RMN uses it starts with "Dream"
December 5, 2008
3:03 a.m.
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roger44 writes:
And a dream it is, it sure won't work. And if law enforcement isn't there to see how many felons are in possession of weapons they're not enforcing the laws, as with the laws on background checks. Most weapons are bought by felons as straw buys, not breaking into homes. The state of colorado needs to make the penalties stiffer for gun crimes, our neighbor state has a law that says a gun crime is automatic 45 years, now that is something they will think about. A kid recently got shot because of an X-box theft, that's how smart these criminals are. The recent run on gun buys since the election tells you more honest citizens have them and will protect themselves. Some states allow you to carry concealed into public schools, there are some smart politicians out there who know a nut will take that into consideration if they decide to go in and imitate columbine.
December 5, 2008
3:45 a.m.
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agzela writes:
Unconstrained vision of how things should be on the part of this group. I personally will go with a more constrained vision and accept the reality. This event reminds me of how Chamberlain was fooled by an ever increasing threat in Hitler. I fear this Country is heading towards that type of liberal thinking....
December 5, 2008
7:06 a.m.
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Outlaw writes:
I am also going to not shop at King Sooper if they sponsor this.
I hope someone will follow up with the gun show law to disrupt this charade.
In the past, what has happened, is alot of guns that were used for parts are brought in and sold. Not many guns that would have ever been used in crime show up.
Most likely Diane DeGette will be there for picture taking.
December 5, 2008
7:07 a.m.
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elkman writes:
And just how many criminals and thugs are going to "sell" their guns? Their gun is their only means of support. Killing and robbing is their means of survival. Would someone pleeessse wake up out there and use just an ounce of common sense?
December 5, 2008
7:38 a.m.
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LingLingfor_prez writes:
They have a gun show this weekend too, now that place will be much more busy than this joke of an event.
December 5, 2008
7:52 a.m.
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scorpiat writes:
Can't wait to sell em a couple of my non-working blank pistols from when I coached track. I went to one of these buy-back programs and sold 5 old broken guns for $150.00 each when I lived back east. Was able to buy a nice Colt 1911 with the proceeds. I'll use this money to buy some ammo.
What idiots!
December 5, 2008
8:05 a.m.
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theairdog writes:
I'll still shop at King Soops.......but I'll be carrying my gun.
:-)
December 5, 2008
8:19 a.m.
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davies writes:
People need to do meaningful things like this from time to time, in order to show their all-transcending benevolence. It gets boring just hugging yourself in front of the mirror every day.
December 5, 2008
8:19 a.m.
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MattGuyver_007 writes:
Maybe next we should try and buy up pencils so we can all do our part to help stop misspelled words.
December 5, 2008
9:17 a.m.
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MexEng writes:
"Great idea, let's pay and reward criminals who are turning in stolen guns so they can have cash flow for future criminal acts. No legal responsible gun owner in their right mind will turn in their gun for $50.00, what a joke. I say do a number check on the gun, if it turns up stolen or the numbers are grinded off, arrest that person on the spot!
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I don't think the point is to get guns out of responsible gun owners hands. I think the point is to get un-registered guns out of the hands of people who need $50 more than they need the gun.
Even if this event only gets 100 guns off the streets it is a success. More than what the cops could do in one day.
December 5, 2008
9:34 a.m.
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surferon writes:
Guess I won't be shopping at King Stupids anymore.
BTW, great post on the Gun Show loophole. I'd love to see how they get around this one, oh yeah I forgot Denver is home rule they can do anything they want.
Real Gun Show: Tanner Show at Merchandise Mart.
December 5, 2008
9:35 a.m.
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elkman writes:
Again, I ask. What criminal is going to sell a gun?
December 5, 2008
9:37 a.m.
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GILPINMAN writes:
I will give $55 a piece for anything that doesn't shoot BB,s or pellets.
December 5, 2008
9:39 a.m.
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Rio5 writes:
better still have everyone be required to have a working gun. Criminals want defenseless victims and the prosecutorial office loves it too so they can get good press. Criminals should be afrid of the populace not the other way around. remember history? It was the town of Northfield that did in the James and Dalton gangs; just ordinary citizens but armed with the best weapon technology of the day.!
December 5, 2008
9:53 a.m.
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silverJ writes:
felons are probably offering $100 a gun a block away.
December 5, 2008
9:57 a.m.
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Marshdale writes:
I'm a lib and an owner of multiple guns, but the paranoia of you right wing gun owners astounds me. There are not enough votes in congress to overturn your right to own guns. Even on the liberal side there are so many representatives that are from rural America that they would never vote that way and jeopardize their reelection chances. It won't happen. Obama may however sign the assult weapons ban. This I disagree with, but it's no skin off my back if he does. I have shot them and found it to be quite exillerating and fun, but the fact of the matter is these serve no other purpose than to mame and kill people. If they start going for hand guns and rifles then you have something to worry about, but I have been listening to this worry and rhetoric for 40 years and it has not happened. Amunition is another issue. I don't believe in armour piercing bullets. They are cop killers. I don't care for cops much either, but we need them, and we need them to survive an attack so they can come back to work the next day do their job of protecting Americans.
Austrailia is one case in mind, however there is a lot of misinformation out there regarding their laws. It's not as bad as some would have you believe. I wonder how many rogue American gun dealers are selling weapons to the drug cartels in Mexico and Central and South America? I think if we new the real answer we would be astounded at how many there are doing that.
December 5, 2008
10 a.m.
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DenverTea writes:
Keep your arms, people. An armed republic has a stronger chance of staving off attack, whether it be from foreign sources or their own government.
December 5, 2008
10:01 a.m.
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JustSayin writes:
"Again, I ask. What criminal is going to sell a gun?"
That would be NONE!
I personally am going to be real interested in what types of guns are turned in. I mean, if people want to get that old beat-up .22 they inherited from Uncle out of storage and sell it, more power to them. I'm with the earlier posters though - better have that gun show paperwork! What's good for the goose (lawful gun owners/buyers) is good for the gander (anti-gun folks, anti-violence visionaries).
What's going to break my heart, though, is that someone might turn in something sweet like a Winchester Model 88 in .243 that I've dreamed about for years, and it will be destroyed for scrap.......
Any way, if you are traveling TO or WITHIN Denver with a gun (i.e., not through Denver under the states 'safe passage' provision), aren't those showing up breaking the law if they:
1) show up with a gun openly carried in public, and/or
2) the gun is not in "safe storage"?
December 5, 2008
10:19 a.m.
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MileHighPatriot writes:
You can't have mine! I use it to PREVENT crime. I guess city park is gonna have an excess of guns w/serial numbers rubbed off.
December 5, 2008
10:19 a.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
Many valid statements have been made in the previous posts but I feel compelled to add mt own 2 cents.
Who do these people think they are? I can't begin to imagine how they think they can even suggest this ludicrous idea. What kind of idiot would bring a gun to this gun show, even a non-working one, and accept $50 for it. Even many non-working firearms are worth more than $50 as collectors items. I truly hope this group of misguided folks have to face the music and laws that apply to this activity. I may go just to watch & see what kind of morons would participate in such a gathering.
It comes down to this : It's a far better plan to posess a firearm & not need it than to need one and not have one...
December 5, 2008
10:20 a.m.
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BigSky182 writes:
Instead of wasting all the money to buy back guns why not just pass a law stating that it is illegal to kill other people?
Oh wait.....
Nevermind
December 5, 2008
10:21 a.m.
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MileHighPatriot writes:
tu-shay flyfish
December 5, 2008
10:22 a.m.
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RGS writes:
Don't forget the Tanner Gun Show this weekend, no agenda there, you will just get a better price for your gun
December 5, 2008
10:29 a.m.
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LoFat writes:
Every one has their own "Man of LaMancha" day. "To dream the impossible dream". Why would a criminal thug sell you his gun when he can just show it to a few convenience or liquor store employees and get far more than fifty dollars and still get to keep the gun? Afterwads the organizers and sponsors can sit around in a "circle of jerks" and sing kumbya.
December 5, 2008
10:41 a.m.
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jgd writes:
Marshdale,
Did you ever actually look into those two bills you talk about. The assault weapon ban includes the vast majority of semi-automatic rifles, and not just the AK-47's and M-16's that people have envisioned, including those rifles you are talking about. Then there is the Armour piercing ammunition, it would ban any ammunition capable of piercing level 1 body armour, this would ban anything larger than a 22 LR or 38 caliber. If you don't believe me look it up for yourself. Sometimes I wonder if you liberals (which you say you are) actually look into this bills or just read the headings. An "Assault weapons ban" or banning armour piercing bullets sounds really great, but are hardly truthful.
December 5, 2008
10:42 a.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
Oh, I forgot to add that I'm going to find out how king soopers is supporting this stupid group. I mean, is it just one store or corporate headquarters? I certainly hope it's just one misguided store (bleeding heart) manager. It's easy to boycott that store. If it's a corporate contribution I guess I'll be a safeway customer again.
December 5, 2008
10:44 a.m.
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tjpatriot writes:
Nice to know the gun control advocates are keeping the market for "hot" guns percolating. I've been burglarized before, and that's among the main things they go for. "No Questions Asked", right? Thanks, retards.
Here's a video of the REAL reason for the second amendment:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?doc...
December 5, 2008
10:44 a.m.
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elkman writes:
JustSayin
I don't believe that having a gun in plain site is against the law. (Unless you are a convicted felon). Someone correct me if I am mistaken. If you have a gun in plain site in your vechicle, it is not against the law. If it is conceled on your body, it is illegal, if you do not have a permit. If a police officer stops you and asks you if you have a weapon, and you do, you better say yes. If not, and they find one in your trunk, you can be arrested.
December 5, 2008
10:55 a.m.
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Elwood writes:
To all you maroons who are planning to turn in your guns at this event, you should go the the Tanner Gun show and get at least twice as much for them there.
December 5, 2008
11:02 a.m.
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JustSayin writes:
elkman - city of Denver law is real restrictive - it's that I was referring to......
December 5, 2008
11:05 a.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
I have contacted the Charitable Donations department of King Soopers and was only able to leave a message. Hopefully I'll get a response so we can all know just what involvement KS has and exactly what financial help this whacko group has received. Who knows it could be misinformation from alvertis simmons or, possibly the rmn.
December 5, 2008
11:09 a.m.
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JustSayin writes:
jgd writes "....you liberals...."
Just can't give up that crap for one second, can you dude? Good points about the devil being in the details, though.
December 5, 2008
11:37 a.m.
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MattGuyver_007 writes:
Hey Titancain, what legal activity do you enjoy? How about since there are certainly a few people out there that do not enjoy the same activity we just ban it and insist it "Gets out of our city!"
Do you not see the danger and hypocrisy of your idea? Moron.
December 5, 2008
11:49 a.m.
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AKdan writes:
The HECK with Alvertis Simmons & his ' Chump Change' - just bring your GUNS by my AK47World.com tables at the Denver Merchandise Mart This Weekend (I-25 7 58th Ave)!
I'll give you WAY MORE that $50 if you have a gun that's working or not - as long as it's a REAL GUN & not melted or irretrievably broken from obtaining parts from it!!!
December 5, 2008
12:52 p.m.
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B300 writes:
Good intentions, but a bad idea in my opinion. This will not help crime, or gun related crimes at all. Keep trying though, hopefully we can find a way to help this issue. It starts at home and in the heart.
December 5, 2008
12:58 p.m.
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Dick_Tater writes:
As a criminal, why would I sell it for $50 when I can get $100's using it?
They will only get broken guns worth less than $50.
December 5, 2008
1:27 p.m.
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Elwood writes:
I wonder how many of these guns will be test fired by the police and checked for use in previous crimes. Then the person who turned it in will be held responsible for previous crimes committed using this gun. What a sneaky way of finding suspects.
December 5, 2008
3:38 p.m.
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darkman writes:
JDG-- I heartily agree. Nice post. It's good to see a little logic and reason presented here.
Marshdale-- OMG, where to even begin...
Marshdale writes:
"I'm a lib and an owner of multiple guns, but the paranoia of you right wing gun owners astounds me. There are not enough votes in congress to overturn your right to own guns. Even on the liberal side there are so many representatives that are from rural America that they would never vote that way and jeopardize their reelection chances. It won't happen."
Yeah, right, just like in 1994 when we had an administration that was less anti-gun and they had a lesser majority in congress than now... And we stupid "right wingers" know that the liberals aren't going to just create a bill to ban all guns next January. They know they can't do it all at once so they will do like they did in England, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc.-- one little "reasonable" restriction at a time. First no "evil guns that look like their military counterparts" and no magazines over 10 rounds. Then add more taxes and new requirements like serializing ammunition and micro-stamping on guns. And before you say that I am being paranoid, look these up yourself. These ideas are from actual bills or laws in places like California.
Marshdale writes:
"Obama may however sign the assult weapons ban. This I disagree with, but it's no skin off my back if he does. I have shot them and found it to be quite exillerating and fun, but the fact of the matter is these serve no other purpose than to mame and kill people."
First you say you disagree but then you justify the action by saying "these serve no other purpose than to mame and kill people." Hey, guess what, the purpose of weapons (guns, knives, swords, clubs, etc.) is " to mame and kill people." Why do you think police officers have handguns and batons on their belts and shotguns and AR15's or M16's in their trunks? Just because they look nice? The rifles and handguns that you say you agree should not be banned-- do you think their purpose is if it isn’t to "mame or kill"? And BTW, the correct spelling is MAIM, not MAME.
December 5, 2008
3:41 p.m.
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darkman writes:
Marshdale writes:
"If they start going for hand guns and rifles then you have something to worry about, but I have been listening to this worry and rhetoric for 40 years and it has not happened."
What do you define as "it"? In the past 40 years we have had GCA 68 and the new full auto restrictions in 1986. In addition we have had countless states and municipalities ban open carry, concealed carry, "assault" weapons, handguns, magazines that hold more than 10 rounds, .50 caliber target rifles...and the list goes on. Much of the so-called rhetoric you mention has been accurate. Most of what I hear is not that soon they will come to your door to take your weapons but that they will gradually chip away at what we are allowed to own and where we are allowed to possess. And this is exactly what has happened in the last 40 years. The only major gain I have seen is in the number of states getting better carry permit laws over the last few years.
Marshdale writes:
"Amunition is another issue. I don't believe in armour piercing bullets. They are cop killers. I don't care for cops much either, but we need them, and we need them to survive an attack so they can come back to work the next day do their job of protecting Americans."
What does ammo have to do with this article? What do you define as "armour piercing bullets"? The only purpose I can think of for “armour piercing bullets” would be to shoot canned ham. Now if you are referring to “armor piercing”, well then…
Exactly what store can you go to and buy "armor piercing bullets"? Can you point me any verified instances of cops being killed by "armor piercing bullets"? The steel-core military surplus ammunition has been readily available for a long time. However, even the regular .223 or .308 will go through most of the standard police vests easily. And most of the hunting ammo will go through just about anything the police have just like butter. I dare you to put on the best body armor that SWAT can provide you with and let someone shoot you with say a .300 Winchester magnum.
December 5, 2008
3:42 p.m.
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darkman writes:
Marshdale writes:
"Austrailia is one case in mind, however there is a lot of misinformation out there regarding their laws. It's not as bad as some would have you believe."
Are you kidding? The regulations got progressively worse and then after a psycho shooting the government decided that civilians could not own semi-auto's including shotguns and even .22 caliber guns. What exactly do YOU consider "bad"?
Marshdale writes:
"I wonder how many rogue American gun dealers are selling weapons to the drug cartels in Mexico and Central and South America? I think if we new the real answer we would be astounded at how many there are doing that."
Wow! Amazing...you must've been the captain of the debate team in school... "I wonder how many"...such logic.
Do you have ANY evidence of this? And why would people in Mexico and Central America go through a licensed dealer in the USA? I know this may come as a shock to you but all of the guns in the world are not manufactured by U.S. companies or even in the U.S.A. Ever hear of Fabrique Nationale? Glock? Taurus? And how about the zillion different foreign companies that make AK-47 clones? Lastly, even if this fantasy were actually happening, WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH MORE RESTRICTIONS ON GUN OWNERSHIP OF LAW-ABIDING U.S. CITIZENS? Get a grip. And learn to use a spell checker.
December 5, 2008
4:01 p.m.
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Outlaw writes:
Getting the guns off the street. Not a single gun on the street is going to kill someone. Only CRIMINALS on the street "using a gun" are going to kill someone.
No need to try to argue this point, it is just plain physics. No gun has EVER, jumped up and killed someone on it's own.
The police should be there and maybe, just maybe, they could get some CRIMINALS off the streets. Not likely cuz a gun, is worth more to them than 50 bucks. And when they are done with it they will toss it if it is really hot, or sell it for more than 50 to someone else.
All 50 dollars will get these so called dreamers is junk from legitimate sellers who will use the money to upgrade.
No guns to be used in future criminal pursuits will be turned in.
December 5, 2008
4:38 p.m.
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darkman writes:
Hey, what happened to my posts? I posted a long-winded response to the Marshdale post and it's gone now. There was no profanity or name-calling so what's going on?
December 5, 2008
4:43 p.m.
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darkman writes:
LOL...I don't know if it's a browser problem (trying MSIE 8.0 beta) or RMN restored them but the posts are back. :-)
December 5, 2008
4:46 p.m.
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Scott writes:
I would MUCH prefer spending some quality time with my family similar to how these families are spending it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV74rb...
I especially enjoyed watching the teenage girl firing the twin pigs (M-60s) and her response! It warms a father's heart. No young swinging "richard" would get away with ungentlemanly like behavior with this young lady :-)
Scott
December 5, 2008
7:04 p.m.
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Consonance writes:
Great video, Scott. Nicely done!
December 5, 2008
7:06 p.m.
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Arch_Stanton writes:
I'm sure it will be touted as a huge success.
Most guns turned in at these things are not "street" guns which are the alleged targets. A criminal is not going to turn in a tool used daily.
There's a widow somewhere who knows nothing about firearms, has no use for her husband's guns and hears about something like this. She's too ignorant to take them to a gun shop and sell them for what they are actually worth.
December 6, 2008
11:09 a.m.
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Coloradorepublican writes:
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December 8, 2008
6:32 p.m.
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canitalk writes:
SCOTT, WILL U MARRY ME? oh sorry i'm married and of latino decent,.....my bad.