Obama makes history as Democratic Party nominee
By Kevin Vaughan, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published August 27, 2008 at 11:25 a.m.
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Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama makes a surprise appearance with vice-presidential candidate Joe Biden on the third day of the Democratic National Convention at the Pepsi Center in Denver, Colo., on Wednesday, August 27, 2008.
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Former President Bill Clinton speaks at the Democratic National Convention at the Pepsi Center in Denver on Wednesday, Aug. 27, 2008.
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Delegates cheer during the Democratic National Convention at the Pepsi Center in Denver on Wednesday, Aug. 27, 2008.
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Vice presidential nominee Joe Biden addresses the crowd at the Democratic National Convention at the Pepsi Center in Denver on Wednesday, Aug. 27, 2008.
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Sen. John Kerry speaks at the Democratic National Convention at the Pepsi Center in Denver on Wednesday, Aug. 27, 2008.
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Delegates cheer at the Democratic National Convention at the Pepsi Center in Denver on Wednesday, Aug. 27, 2008.
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Colorado Senator Ken Salazar dedicates his delegates to Obama.
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Marzett Bedford-Billinghurst, of Greenwood Village, has tears of joy running down her cheeks while Colorado Senator Ken Salazar dedicates his delegates to Obama during the Democratic National Convention on Wednesday, August 27, 2008, at the Pepsi Center in Denver, Colorado. Colorado Springs delegate Ben Taber is on the right.
And on the third day, they united — behind Barack Obama, against John McCain, for a new way of doing business in the world.
At 4:48 p.m. Wednesday, in a raucous Pepsi Center, the delegates at the Democratic National Convention made history when they officially nominated Obama as the party's presidential candidate — the first African-American to ever move so close to the nation's highest office.
Along the way, vanquished challenger Hillary Clinton and former President Bill Clinton played leading roles in the party's effort to leave Denver a picture of tranquility in the place of the turbulence that marked the bruising primary season and even the last-minute negotiations over the machinations of the nomination.
Joe Biden, the six-term senator from Delaware who accepted the party's nomination as vice president, stepped before the television cameras in prime time and called for a change of course in foreign policy, something he said is necessary to restore the country's standing in the world.
In a verbal gaff that drove home an assertion made at the convention over and over, he accidentally said "George Bush" when he meant "John McCain."
"Freudian slip," Biden said. "Freudian slip."
Biden, who ran for president, heaped praise on Obama, a man he called too inexperienced for the job on the campaign trail.
"You can learn an awful lot about a man campaigning with him, debating him, and seeing how he reacts under pressure," Biden said. "You learn about the strength of his mind. But even more importantly, you learn about the quality of his heart."
And Obama himself made a surprise visit to the Pepsi Center in a show of unity with Biden.
All of it set the tone for today's historic move of the convention across the South Platte River to Invesco Field at Mile High, where Obama is expected to stand before a crowd of more than 75,000 and formally accept the party's nomination.
But before that could happen, drama — some of it apparently orchestrated behind closed doors — played out on the floor of the Pepsi Center and on Denver's streets during the convention's third day.
Outside the hall, the protest scene picked up. Several hundred self-proclaimed anarchists marched down the 16th Street Mall during the lunch hour. And about 2,000 people who streamed out of the Denver Coliseum after a concert by Rage Against the Machine marched to the Pepsi Center in a protest against the war.
Obama himself finally touched down in Denver, landing a few minutes before 3 p.m. And the Republicans, who gather next week in St. Paul, Minn., to nominate McCain, worked again to get in a word or two during the Democratic Party's gathering.
"Sen. McCain would keep us on offense with terrorism ... and Senator Obama would put us back on defense," former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said during an appearance at a Denver warehouse.
But the biggest doings were in the convention hall — and the questions of exactly how the roll-call vote of delegates would be handled. The roll call vote had been the subject of negotiations between representatives of Clinton and Obama, the two combatants in the longest, most-difficult primary season in recent memory.
And the question of its mechanics took on a life of its own in the wake of lingering hard feelings between Obama and both Clintons.
Shortly after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi banged the gavel and opened the convention at 3 p.m., the state-by-state tally began.
The first surprise came when delegates from Arkansas — where Bill Clinton served as governor — cast all 47 of their votes for Obama. Then delegates from California, which Hillary Clinton won, passed. So did Obama's home state, Illinois.
With the vote standing 1,568 1/2 for Obama, 341 1/2 for Clinton, New Mexico's delegates yielded to those from Illinois. And Illinois delegates yielded to New York, the state Clinton represents in the U.S. Senate.
Just then, on the big screens, images of Clinton making her way to the New York delegation's microphone, and the crowd in the arena erupted.
"On behalf of the great state of New York," she said moments later, "with appreciation for the spirit and dedication of all who are gathered here, with eyes firmly fixed on the future, in the spirit of unity, with the goal of victory, with faith in our party and our country, let's declare together in one voice, right here right now, that Barack Obama is our candidate," Clinton said.
The Pepsi Center erupted.
"I move that the convention suspend the procedural rules and suspend the future conduct of the roll call vote," Clinton said. "All votes cast by the delegates will be counted and I move Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois be selected by this convention by acclimation as the nominee of the Democratic Party as the president of the United States."
The motion was met with a rousing ovation. It was quickly seconded and approved by the thousands of people in attendance.
Pelosi did not wait for any "no" votes before slamming down the gavel.
As prime time arrived, so did Bill Clinton, and for a few minutes it was hard to tell whether he or Obama was the bigger rock star. Fleetwood Mac's "Don't Stop" — an old campaign song — blared, and the crowd roared and roared.
"Thank you," Clinton said again and again, before finally imploring the crowd to "sit down."
"I love this and I thank you, but we have important work to do here tonight," he said.
Then he got to business — praising his wife's history-making run — the closest a woman has ever come to winning a presidential nomination.
"In the end, my candidate didn't win," Clinton said. "But I'm very proud of the campaign she ran. She never quit on the people she stood up for, on the changes she pushed for, on the future she wants for all our children. And I'm grateful for the chance Chelsea and I had to tell Americans about the person we know and love.
"I'm not so grateful for the chance to speak in the wake of her magnificent address last night. But I'll do my best. Hillary told us in no uncertain terms that she'll do everything she can to elect Barack Obama. That makes two of us."
Clinton, who was supposed to speak for 10 minutes, was on the stage for more than 20.
He hammered away at Obama's attributes, calling him "the man for this job."
"Barack Obama is ready to lead America and restore American leadership in the world," Clinton said."Barack Obama is ready to be president of the United States."
Later, in the evening's final act, Biden took to the stage.
Once he got there, he pounded away on foreign policy — a major reason that many experts believe he was chosen to be Obama's running mate.
"As we gather here tonight, our country is less secure and more isolated than at any time in recent history," said Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. "The Bush-McCain foreign policy has dug us into a very deep hole, with very few friends to help us climb out."
Biden's wife, Jill, introduced "a very special surprise guest" — Obama.
The running mates stood arm-in-arm on the stage, and Obama took a microphone.
"Hello Democrats," Obama said. "Hello Democrats."
He had something to say. He hoped that people now understood why Biden was his running mate. He paid homage to the Clintons.
He looked ahead — to tonight.
"At the start of this campaign we had a very simple idea, which is change in America doesn't start from the top down," Obama said. "It starts from the bottom up. That change is brought about because ordinary people do extraordinary things. And so we want to open up this convention to make sure that everybody who wants to come can join in the party and join in the effort to take America back."
After the hugs and after the music died down, Biden and Obama walked from the stage, and the Pepsi Center cleared out, and eventually the lights dimmed in the convention hall for the final time.
Tonight they go on in a football stadium. Tonight the spotlight's glare shifts squarely onto Obama.
Aaron J. Lopez, Todd Hartman, Paul A. Anthony, Ryan Sabalow, Dan Kelley and Sara Burnett contributed to this report.
August 27, 2008
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Scott writes:
Darn it steel, you beat me to it! :-) If they spread palm leaves before him I'll want a total accounting of the carbon foot print that it took to fly the palm leaves in from CA or FL. ;-)
JMac must think that all conservatives listen to Limbaugh and Hannity. Oh, that's right, only the evil conservatives type cast people. The open minded libs would NEVER do such a thing ... Gag, Barf!
Scott
August 27, 2008
12:04 p.m.
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ou8one2 writes:
The stage was built to look like a Roman amphitheater, which is fitting since the MSM and the Dems have anointed him emperor.
The only thing missing is the hammer and cycle.
August 27, 2008
12:23 p.m.
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HankRearden writes:
Steel,
He will not be on a donkey. The donkey would upstage him in the experience department. I understand that Obama will part the South Platte and walk to Investco.
August 27, 2008
12:28 p.m.
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parnik writes:
Yeah, republicans have the right idea. We don't need change. We need to continue the downward spiral. W part 2 supporters on this blog. I will post elsewhere.
August 27, 2008
12:30 p.m.
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zippy66 writes:
At what point on the agenda tomorrow will BH Obama cure the lepers and feed the masses with one fish and one loaf of bread?
And...BHO doesn't need to part the South Platte, he can just walk across it!
August 27, 2008
12:40 p.m.
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tylerfrost writes:
It's funny how the Dems blame the Republicans and the republicans blame the Dems for everything. Have you idiots forgot that both parties are to blame for the mess we are in? There's a Republican President and a Democratically controlled House and Senate. It would be refreshing if someone would actually say "hey, we messed up.." instead of scapegoating their clones on the other side of the aisle. I'm not a fan of Bush, however, I will be voting McCain for numerous reasons. Don't give me that 4 more years of Bush B.S. You may be be blindly in love with obama's image, but that's all he is. A media generated myth.
August 27, 2008
12:50 p.m.
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Den2008 writes:
RepulicanASH_HOLE, that's not a very "Christian" attitude now, is it?????
August 27, 2008
12:50 p.m.
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parnik writes:
MrCrush - are you to on board with all of this bullsh*t? Wrong gender by the way.
McCain will be the same as Bush. All over again. I am opting for change - however we need to come about it.
Not to happy with the choices we have - but I will not be voting Republican. (not that any of our votes count anyway)
I personally think that Bill Clinton was a great president. The economy was aspiring, there were jobs available.
What is it with all of you Republican followers? Do you all own small businesses and have your gasoline paid for you?
August 27, 2008
1:02 p.m.
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my3pugs writes:
That's "hammer and sickle". The Green Party uses the hammer and cycle. Must have learned spelling from a Democrat.
August 27, 2008
1:05 p.m.
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my3pugs writes:
Democratic Party - tax and spend
Republican Party - borrow and spend
WTF!
August 27, 2008
1:06 p.m.
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my3pugs writes:
Democratic Party - "We know best what you SHOULD be doing."
Republican Party - "We know best what you SHOULDN'T be doing"
August 27, 2008
1:08 p.m.
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HopiMedicineMan writes:
They're all the same to me, weak white chiefs. Now we're going to get a half white weak chief.
August 27, 2008
1:24 p.m.
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HopiMedicineMan writes:
JMac,
Have you read the Pugh report on political party demographics?
August 27, 2008
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August 27, 2008
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Buckwheat writes:
He'll be the one with the American Flag lapel pin. Oh wait, he doesn't believe in the American Flag.. OK then, he'll be the one visiting the troops in the VA Hospital.. Oh wait, he doesn't do that either.. OK then, he'll be one trying to decide if he should get off the left side of the plane or the right.. Oh wait, that'll take to long, just watch for him to maybe show up for his celebrity party tonight. You know he'll be on time for that one..
August 27, 2008
1:38 p.m.
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COLibertarian writes:
DenverDan,
nor would you survive in that crowd. Name calling is the norm on here. Most on here hide behind the comfort of their computer screen. I have advocated face to face dialogues for many many months, but when the rubber hits the road, most refuse. It would be nice to have a dialogue, that can be spirited, but civil and work towards a common goal, even tho that goal has seperate roads.........
August 27, 2008
1:58 p.m.
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HopiMedicineMan writes:
Democrats and Republicans are like an old story. A Navajo and a Zuni, each on a warrior quest, meet unexpectedly at a desert
spring. Both have been through great tribulation. Both are tired and injured. They've lost their clothing and their bags of provisions. They begin to talk and agree they should work together. They swear an oath to the gods above and rabbits watching below. They lay out what is left of their tools, not much. The Zuni has a spear point and the Navajo has a shaft. These are the facts they both agree on. If they can attach the point to the shaft and both can eat. Or they can fight to the death for the one speer. A herd of venison has made it to the spring. What do the two warriors do?
August 27, 2008
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rickg19611 writes:
ABC News reports about corrupt Democrats ordering police officers to arrest a journalist who was taking pictures of Democrat fatcats meeting with lobbyists....... not only did the police officers obey their fatcat bosses, one of them even pushed the guy into traffic......
Sounds like the Denver PD has allowed itself to be prostituted as private security guards protecting the image of their corrupt Democrat masters.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Convent...
August 27, 2008
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Scott writes:
Aliverer,
ROFLMAO! Now JMac is going to rescind his opinion of me :-)
Scott
August 27, 2008
2:15 p.m.
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jay writes:
"Have you idiots forgot that both parties are to blame for the mess we are in? "
nope, tyler, that's complete partisan bs.
nice try.
we all knew that the rubs would do everything thing they can this year to run away from their own track record, but the blame for the last 8 years falls squarely on conservative shoulders.
you can fool some of the people all of the time, but it's gonna be hard to hide The Track Record and the fact that since getting a slim majority in congress, the liberals have had to deal with obstructions from conservatives in the face of initiatives and legislation with the support of the majority of americans....which is why they'll not only lose the presidency in november, but additional congressional seats. (don't believe me, see the congressional voting records and recent polling on congressional races around the country)
the beatings will continue until conservatives start to understand that they need to start representing average americans.
August 27, 2008
2:19 p.m.
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Scott writes:
I keep checking the RMN homepage to read their reporting of the DPD interfering with ABC newsies rights, but nothing, nada, zilch point zip. HMMmmmmmm, could it be that RMN is also in bed with the DNC?
Scott
August 27, 2008
2:32 p.m.
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COLibertarian writes:
I see that the negatives outweigh the positives here............... The group with the bigger bat wins?
Big D can agree with some of your negative assertions, but Stealing Colorado water????????? First time I have heard negotiations and dialogue defined as stealing or losing. But hey what do the people on here know about dialogue and coming to resolutions that are a win-win proposition?
August 27, 2008
2:40 p.m.
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Scott writes:
I just remembered what DPD pulled back when Coors Field opened. The goons that own the Rockies didn't like the idea that a small businessman was giving away booklets outside of Coors Field on game days. The guy was making money by selling advertising space in the booklets. The goons would have lost money because the fans would take something free over something that the goons were selling inside. Therefore, the goons that own the Rockies had DPD throw the guy off of the side walk and threatened him with prosecution. This put the guy out of business.
This bit with ABC News is quite similar. The goons (DNC this time) tells the DPD to interfere with someones rights and the DPD immediately click their heels and haul off the victim. Of course later on an "investigation" will determine that the officers were wrong and DPD will "apologize" and Lickenpooper will declare the incident over. Of course Lickenpooper's DPD will have served the purpose of the goons (DNC) by obstructing ABC News from getting some less than flattering photos.
I use to stand up for DPD ... NO MORE. The Denver Police Department is the best police department money can buy.
COME ON RMN, WHERE IS THE COVERAGE FOR THIS?
BTW, little_d, if the RMN was in bed with the Repubs as you claim, then why haven't they posted this story?
Scott
August 27, 2008
2:59 p.m.
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ldestampin writes:
Posted earlier and dont' see it, so I still want to know. Where is Al Gore when we need him. Wouldn't he be yelling MAKE EVERY VOTE COUNT! Why isn't every delegate vote being counted...is the democratic party really the voice of the people when they are silencing their delegates. Funny isn't it! is this how the country will be run if Barack Obama and Biden are elected? Please think hard about this before you vote in November. The voice you save could be your own
August 27, 2008
3:02 p.m.
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COLibertarian writes:
Big_D I have already read that article. He does not want Federal involvement. He wants dialogue between the States. That is not wanting to "Steal" water as you state.
Being from a Farm and Ranch background and formerly on the B of D of Water Board, there are very few that take water issues more seriously than I, but I did not see anything over the line.
My stance is and always will be for dialogue on these issues. Once CO or any other state in our position, ceases dialogue then the complaints go up the chain. I would much rather CO negotiate and or have a dialogue regarding a win-win proposition, than have the Feds step in. That is never good for states like us.
August 27, 2008
3:09 p.m.
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COLibertarian writes:
Big_D you state "Sure Rosen would have a job at any Democrat newspaper. HA HA HA "
You are right Big_D. A Liberal rag would never allow a dissention in voices or ideas.
But again if it were a Republican rag, then would Tina have a job? Because unfortunately her voice would be silenced also.
August 27, 2008
3:21 p.m.
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COLibertarian writes:
Idestampin,
You are correct. The Democratic Party had the perfect opportunity to show the world how they are all-inclusive and bring America together. This is turning into a joke and may backfire on the DNC.
$$$Millions upon Millions$$$$ of dollars have been spent on this convention, and the biggest thing to come out of it is a Rage concert? If they are not to hear ALL of the votes, then why did we have this monstrocity? A 4day Marketing campaign that we all have to endure.......But goody goody, we get to repeat Next week with the next loser. Loser 1 loses to Loser 2.........insert name of your favorite loser
August 27, 2008
3:45 p.m.
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PonchoVia writes:
Big_D is correct: Ron Paul is the only true conservative among the Republican candidates.
I'm voting for Obama because the GOP (without Ron Paul) is the party of fiscal irresponsibility, international arrogance, big federal government, corporate welfare, foreign oil dependancy and no billionaires left behind. my3pugs is correct that the GOP is the "borrow and spend" party.
Vote Obama for a stronger middle class and a better US reputation around the world.
August 27, 2008
3:58 p.m.
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HopiMedicineMan writes:
They put an Irish tenor in Indian robes and had him sing the National Anthem. They think that's persuasive? It's embarrassing. That's the liberal approach to Native Americans. They're like missionaries to Africans. They always know better than you.
Remember, my brothers, the treaty system and the reservations were created by liberals.
I don't care who you are, liberalism, always removes your heart, your self-esteem. When you take a cracker from the hand of a liberal, he takes your knife with his other hand.
August 27, 2008
4:02 p.m.
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dummas writes:
hey jay..are you forgetting it was a democratic controlled congress that gave bush the green light to invade iraq? Right on the eve of the republicans winning control of congress? Even bush knew that it didn't make a difference who was in control of congress, he would get to wage his war for oil no matter what. Even after the democrats reclaimed control in 2006 bush is still running amok and getting his agenda passed. It doesn't matter who is in control, as long as we have this so called two party system that feeds from the same corporate trough we the people are getting bent over every time! The main purpose of the two parties is to have someone to blame while the other is sitting it's cycle out. Politics and government is not a sport where you chose sides and wear that team's colors like you do at a football game. It's about the issues of the people. And if you don't believe me, take a nice long walk in our lovely downtown this week, tell me how many corporate sponsorships adorn the festivities.
August 27, 2008
4:08 p.m.
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danirobi writes:
I think the altitude is going to the democrats heads, thinking that this guy is a god and should be president. What a joke!
I'm sending a donation to McCain as I write this!
GO MCCAIN!!!!
August 27, 2008
4:27 p.m.
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COLibertarian writes:
Big_D Where did I say we should rewrite the 1922 agreement? You sooo want to find fault in what people say or think, you look for fault rather than listen and create a dialogue Big_D
What hurt does it do to create dialogue and review of what might be possible? What? I too am against rewriting the 1922 agreement. Again I am sensitive to water rights and the impacts of those water rights. MY Assumption? Big_D what was my assumption?
FROM experience.......... If you want to escalate water rights issues up the chain, be it local or state, QUIT all Dialogue. Bigger more powerful depts will start swinging a bigger bat at the little guy. Have seen it and felt the bat. If there is no dialogue between the states, not too far in the future, those states with much larger electoral votes will cry foul. When they do, watch out........... Feds will come in faster than you can shake a stick.....why? Larger electoral votes. My opinion, not my assumption.
Do I trust that McCain says he is a Federalist and buys into state rights? NO. That is 1 of many reasons I am not voting for the guy.
August 27, 2008
4:29 p.m.
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M2 writes:
Do you people honestly believe that ranting about what you believe to be true is going to change anyones mind? Vote for your choice and let the cards fall where they may. My vote is for Obama because I want something different to happen with out government. You can't talk me out of it... just as I, most likely, can not talk you out of voting for Johnny Boy.
August 27, 2008
4:43 p.m.
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COLibertarian writes:
M2 as an Independent, I thought I would have agreed with you regarding your statement. But Nader, and even Barr have a better chance of getting my vote today than McCain or Obama have currently. I am even more convinced that the system is broken and neither of the main parties can do anything to fix it, unless drastic changes happen.
So yes you and others have help me look hard at the decision I will have to make in November.
But I will tell you what would cause me great pause and a possible YES vote for McCain? That would be for him to step up to the podium, tell us that both the Republican and Democrat parties have done us, the public, wrong. That he and a bipartisan team have come up with a solution to the divide in America. He states that he is picking Hillary Clinton as his running mate. That those 2 would work together and get us back on the correct path, not the right path, left path, BUT the correct path. Hell I would like to see them switch roles after 2 yrs for equality sake(knowing that this idea does not fit within the current framework)
That would open up some eyes, would it not?
August 27, 2008
5:25 p.m.
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joggle writes:
COLibertarian: "That would open up some eyes, would it not?"
Oh yes it would, but that won't happen. He may choose Lieberman though but Democrats view him much more as a Republican than Republicans ever viewed McCain as a RINO.
If Obama is elected nothing will change immediately I think because it will take time to do anything. It takes a lot of time to move military forces around the world and to make an impact on the economy.
My prediction:
If Obama is elected there will be a honeymoon period internationally dramatically (temporarily) increasing their approval of America. This would probably drop after a year or so since the troops will still be in Iraq no matter what (Europeans and others want them out but that is not physically possible in a fairly short amount of time even if Obama wants to do so). The economy will still probably be in doldrums a year after his election as well because even with higher taxes for the rich it still won't be nearly enough to balance the budget (and he makes no claims to balance the budget in the first year). The dollar will probably be stronger in a year. Oil will still be expensive after a year as well but perhaps if people continue to consume less of it in America it will prevent it from becoming any more expensive.
I think his administration will be more open than the very secretive current one but probably not open enough to satisfy everyone. I think we will see a lot more of Biden than we ever saw of Cheney although not so much as to overshadow Obama of course. Biden will probably make a number of trips abroad during the first year to strengthen our ties to our allies and to get a better assessment of their opinions and demands of us.
If McCain is elected I expect a starkly different reaction internationally that will immediately cause additional weakness to the dollar (it may recover in a year though). He may try to give lip service to stopping global warming but probably won't pass anything substantive (whereas Obama probably would at least press for legislation and sign it if it makes it to his desk). McCain's cabinet would probably be fairly similar to the current one, although hopefully with a few more competent people than the current one although not up to the level of Clinton's or what Obama's would have been. He will have a tough time reforging ties with our allies due to his chummy attitude toward Bush for the past 4+ years and frankly he simply can't compete with Obama with charisma or intelligence, both of which are vital when making personal contacts with foreign heads of state. The budget will have even bigger deficits in a year after McCain compared to Obama's.
August 27, 2008
5:25 p.m.
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joggle writes:
Personally I think, by far, the weakest aspect of the current administration is how they've handled foreign relations. I think we need to address this first and foremost and have much more faith in Obama and Biden handling this from all of the interviews and debates I've seen than how McCain would handle it. There is potentially serious instability in parts of the world that must be addressed immediately that must be done by an administration much, much stronger and intelligent than the current one (namely the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, dealing with Russia and dealing with China).
August 27, 2008
5:38 p.m.
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samsmargolis writes:
BHO isn't the first black president - he's just the first black to acknowledge his status. There's some information out there that he's not even sufficiently black to qualify as such under census guidelines. Nice spin, though.
http://www.diversityinc.com/public/14...
http://kennethelamb.blogspot.com/2008...
August 27, 2008
5:44 p.m.
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joggle writes:
samsmargolis: From a recent reply to your first link:
"Having black lineage that goes unperceived does not make you the first black president. The concept of whiteness and blackness is a social construct. If in society, someone is perceived to be white, then they are white. Those who elected these past presidents were electing 'white' male presidents, not black presidents. Obama will be, if he wins, the first and only intentionally elected, socially considered, Black president. This distinction makes all the difference. An American society has never intended to elect anyone other than whites males, and that's all we have done so far." - a chase
Couldn't have put it better myself.
August 27, 2008
5:54 p.m.
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tjpatriot writes:
I heard somewhere the Greek-themed podium at Invesco is being called "The Temple of Obama".
Also this, attributed to George Will: "For conservatives, 'seeing is believing,' while for liberals, 'believing is seeing.'"
August 27, 2008
6:02 p.m.
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BillTheCat writes:
Well, Obama's security has ruled the First Amendment of the Constitution Unconstitutional!
A sheriff from the People's Republic of Boulder Colorado stopped and detained an ABC news reporter on a public sidewalk and then pushed him into oncoming traffic. The Denver Gestapo Police arrived 2 hours later and then then arrested the reporter who was reporting from a public sidewalk.
According to ABC news, Eslocker (the reporter) and his ABC News colleagues are spending the week investigating the role of corporate lobbyists and wealthy donors at the convention for a series of Money Trail reports on ABC World News with Charles Gibson. During the arrest, one of the officers can be heard saying to Eslocker, "You're lucky I didn't knock the [f-word] out of you."
Apparently, a free press, public sidewalks and the like do not exist in Denver. Wait until we have a Democrat Executive Branch, Legislative Branch and Supreme Court. You can kiss your constitutional rights Good Bye!
We have now entered the realm of a police state. Welcome!
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Convent...
Read the comments. They are pretty one sided - Denver screwed up!
August 27, 2008
6:08 p.m.
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GetReal writes:
Have you guys seen the Greek God Shrine at Mile High that The Messiah has set up for his big teleprompter reading?
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/27...
This guy is sooooo full of himself he is blinded to the fact that this pompous, conceited, arrogant behavior wont wash with most Americans, and he is sealing his own defeat.
Even with the liberal media's help, this guy can't and won't win.
Hillary was right.
August 27, 2008
6:22 p.m.
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joggle writes:
BillTheCat: Regardless of what the comments say it appears the reporter thought he was on a public sidewalk whereas the hotel and the police officers thought it was a private sidewalk owned by the hotel. If it is a private sidewalk then the police were correct in responding to complaints by the hotel to charge him with trespassing since he obviously refused to go away. If it is a public sidewalk then obviously the cops were wrong. There's no way of knowing from reading that article whether the sidewalk was owned by the hotel or not.
What this has to do with Obama I have no idea (this article is about Obama's arrival in Denver after all).
August 27, 2008
6:50 p.m.
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RkyMtnDan writes:
!?! noBama who?, whaaa !?!
* * * * !!! SAKIC SIGNED WITH THE AVS !!! * * *
DNC needs to pack it in, we have a Press Conference to do !
"Welcome back Captain" -rmd
August 27, 2008
8:02 p.m.
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samsmargolis writes:
joggle - that's a perfect rationalization for the Koolaid sippers, but what about the rest of us who know there were "black" presidents before BHO? BHO is betting on a great deal of "first black nominee" votes when, in reality, that's just another in a long list of lies from his campaign. This whole claim is a fraud and the campaign is trying to rewrite history....sad.
August 27, 2008
9:26 p.m.
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clyde writes:
I thought Bill Clinton was the first "black" President?
August 27, 2008
9:37 p.m.
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jlee2027 writes:
I love how they claim to be "united", then "against Republicans". LOL.
True evil, expressed in one sentence by the Dumbocrats!
August 27, 2008
9:51 p.m.
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CaseyC writes:
What am I missing here? How can this empty suit claim to be the first black nominee????? He is just as much white as he is black.
August 27, 2008
9:53 p.m.
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BO writes:
John Stewart said it best Tueday evening..(not direct quote, but close)-
"We all know Republicans love America; they just hate half the people that live here."
August 27, 2008
10:01 p.m.
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kirbysfriend22 writes:
There's a whole lot of jealous, ignorant, republican a-holes posting here. You wish your candidate was as awesome as Obama. The only reason you won the last two elections was because the Dem was dull as beige. Now, you feel the heat because you see the table turned. McCain should be a greeter at your Walmarts.
August 27, 2008
10:17 p.m.
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joggle writes:
samsmargolis: So do you think any of these presidents that you claim were black would have won their elections if they claimed to be black at the time? Heck, most of them couldn't have even voted if they were considered to be black.
It will be a major point in history for America to finally vote for a man that looks and claims to be black. It won't put the final nail in racism in this country but it will knock one heck of a nail into its coffin.
August 27, 2008
10:19 p.m.
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Brain writes:
Was this article supposed to be NEWS? Sure read like a motivation/pep rally speech to me.
August 27, 2008
10:23 p.m.
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awesomeweb writes:
A preview of the Obama-nation... of desolation.
August 27, 2008
10:31 p.m.
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HadEnough writes:
Hey Obama supporters,
I don't know why your all excited about this guy. If you look at his positions, he is just another tax and spend liberal that is promising the moon with no way to pay for it. We face some huge problems with underfunding for social security and medicare and huge budget deficits. Obama's plan basically calls for stealing from the responsible people that save for retirement and give their share to the irresponsible. Same thing for Medicare. With all his proposed spending, he is going to dig the deficit hole much bigger. Basically same ole democratic party line of income redistribution. As far as energy independence, will not happen with Obama cause we need access to more of our own resources as a bridge to alternate forms of energy. Wise up folks, Bush has not been good President, but much of our current problems are a result of do nothing Democratic Congress!
August 27, 2008
10:35 p.m.
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Brain writes:
COLibertarian; I agree, but NO-WAY could I even think to vote for Nader; we do need another party but not like the green party.
August 27, 2008
10:37 p.m.
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BrandiWine_84 writes:
what's your point, intrepid? Do you ever have a point, or do you just write really weird and random off-the-wall comments?
August 27, 2008
10:44 p.m.
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BO writes:
I think I figured out the problem people like Shaggy have. It involves remembering what people actually said. He shouldn't feel bad- he has plenty of company (people like Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter). They love to claim Obama said that Iran is a tiny country. Here's Obama's actual quote:
"Iran, Cuba, Venezuela-these countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union. They don't pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us, and yet we were willing to talk to the Soviet Union at a time they said we were going to wipe you off the planet."
Knock off enough obviously neaningless words, and you're left with "Iran is a tiny country."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew5qP2...
Another gem was from Fox News' Megyn Kelly who pointed out something interesting from Michelle Obama's speech. In referencing the part of Michelle Obama's speech when she stated that "the world as it is won't do." Kelly pointed out how if one were to replace "the world" with "America", we could once again have the debate regarding her (Obama's) love for America. I agree with Stephen Colbert. He explained how easily one could be offended if words in speeches were replaced with other words (imagine that). Republicans have such an interesting outlook on words and quotes.
August 27, 2008
11 p.m.
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CA_Indy writes:
It never ceases to amaze me that political discussions end up sound more like sporting event taunts than real dialog. Did anyone here happen to listen to Ted Koppel on Hannity this week. I happened to catch it on the way home from work. Sean was pretty humble in front of Ted. I listen to the radio frequently in my car, as my work puts me in the car for a couple of hours each day. Rush and Sean each have good points sometimes. Not always, but each is more insightful than you might give them credit for. For those of you that despise them, how many times have you listened, or do you take someone else's word for it?
I also listen to NPR, but it goes off air at 7, so nothing to listen to on my way home. I used to listen to Air America, but it is no longer available in this market presumably because not enough people listened to it. My point is that you can beat a "fact" anyway you want and spin it for your own purpose if nobody wants to verify.
To that end, does anyone care to guess how many 20%+ drops in the stock market we have had in the last decade? Four.
2000, 2001 (9/11), 2002 (Enron/Worldcom) and Oct 2007-July 2008. The S&P has only averaged about 3% in that entire time.
The truth is that economies are cyclical. Clinton inherited an economy freshly out of a recession. Bush got the other end of the stick, and two significant events threatened to push it deeper. Truth be told it could be worse, but in a political year that doesn't fly.
The Bush administration has made plenty of mistakes, but has also done a poor job of communicating its success. An "unpopular" war. Historically, most wars are pretty unpopular because they are expensive and our young people come back in boxes. Nevertheless, there will always be times that we have to make that choice.
Clinton was a pretty good president. He learned quickly how to be a great politician. He did some very good things. I happen to think that Republicans got over zealous in trying to get him out of office and lost sight of the real issue. I think Democrats do the same with Bush. Since no test is required to prove a knowledge of current events outside of Lohan's sexual preference, please do yourself a favor and honor the right that so many men have women have fought and died for, and read everything you can before you vote. Read Time, Newsweek, NWT, The Wall Street Journal, Business Week, The Financial Times, Salon.com, Drudge and of course, your local newspaper before it goes under. Left, Right or Center, you can't go wrong if you are truly informed.
August 28, 2008
12:20 a.m.
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RPhillips writes:
I expect Obama to make a fine speech, but I'm wary of fine speeches. And I also know the media will pronounce the speech much finer than it it likely to be. In fact, it will likely be "among the greatest acceptance speeches in history", according to the pundits.
What it will be is another dredge-up of the Civil Rights campaign from the 1960s drizzled with MLKs "I have a dream" allusions. What it will be is a Hitlerian call to restore "the greatness" of America and "extend its promise to everyone". What it will really be is a collectivist call for more government programs, more giveaways, more "social justice".
August 28, 2008
12:53 a.m.
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WhiteRiver writes:
Regarding: "August 27, 2008 - 11:43 a.m. - RepulicanASH_HOLE"
The point in those comments by "RepublicanASH_HOLE" is not to represent Christians and Christianity but to try to make them both look as terrible as possible. Thus, the post is bad sarcasm, a blemish, so to speak, nothing more than that.
Someone later wrote that "RepublicanASH_HOLE"'s comments were not "very Christian," and I"m just pointing out that from what I read, that those remarks were not intended to represent a Christian but to ridicule one (or all).
August 28, 2008
12:59 a.m.
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WhiteRiver writes:
"...He doesn’t want to”harm” Colorado he just wants our water for Arizona..."
Senator Dianne Feinstein (Democrat) is the one who "wants" your "water," only she wants it for California. Big argument in the Senate that's been going on a while now as to which state gets (or "deserves" in Democrat-speak) more water from the Colorado River than others. California wants most of it. Next in line is Utah (Las Vegas is the reason why -- all the hotels, pools, fountains, otherwise, Liberal waste).
August 28, 2008
1 a.m.
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WhiteRiver writes:
SORRY, meant to type, "Nevada is next in line" (as to wanting the water from the Colorado River). Another Democrat Senator, by the way, responsible for that.
August 28, 2008
1:25 a.m.
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jax writes:
Cough, choke, puke...Blowbama
August 28, 2008
1:26 a.m.
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jax writes:
Oh wait, that was Bill Clinton!!!
August 28, 2008
3:55 a.m.
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YeilRaven writes:
Our very own online concert for Democrats courting Republican and Independent voters.
The Chantay's - Pipeline (Lawrence Welk Show)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j09C8c...
Dean Martin & John Wayne
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd5xBD...
Elvis Presley - Love Me Tender
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZBUb0...
Obamacan's - “The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry.”
William F. Buckley, Jr. quote
Obama/Biden '08
August 28, 2008
4:20 a.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Joe Biden has had many Freudian slips, racial slurs on people from India was pointed out by Katie Couric along with many other terrible statements over his 35 year career, Katie was on a roll pointing out several. Even his own party stated Joe has problems making bad comments, thanks Katie for the footage showing some of them. That being said, Mr. Clinton gave a great speech, the man knows how to deliver. I totally enjoyed his time at the podium; Mr. Obama couldn't ask for a better speech on his behalf. But, Mr. Clinton's not running for office. I still have grave reservations concerning Mr. Obama, especially his choice of running mate. Joe Biden could never be president in his own right, he always went down in the first round of the primaries. Mr. Obama has shown an insecurity in his own ability to lead by selecting Biden, it shows Mr. Obama knows he's weak in many areas that he hopes Biden will shore up. I like the kid, he has weathered the storm of destruction, that many like his minister and Jesse Jackson have thrown at him. That is going to serve him well should he become president; he'll face many critics. The real bite is going to be the words of his running mate and many in his party, who thoughout the primaries harped endlessly on Mr. Obama's inexperence. I am not confident in Mr. Obama's experence to lead, and I really find America in trouble should Joe Biden have to step in. There is a reason Joe the Pro can't get past the first round of the primaries. Last night, Katie Couric showed America a few of the many reasons why. His two brain surgeries leave me concerned with his health as well; this is also a concern I have with Mr. McCain. America really doesn't have an outstanding candidate for president this election. I still believe Hillary to be the smartest of all that was put up for the job. Mr. Obama's opinion on the surge, Iran, and many other issues are showing his lack of understanding in world affairs. Joe the Pro, may have a great deal of knowledge in these areas, but Joe the Pro has other less stellar facets in his own opinions in many other areas. His mouth and the things he's said in the past, will surface more and more to show a serious flaw in his character. I am not sold on speeches as much as I am substance and past accomplishments; however I really enjoy hearing Mr. Clinton speak. Mario Coumo was the man who really set the bar, I never forgot his address to the democratic convention years ago. Anyone notice Jimmy Carter was there, but didn't speak? Jimmy Carter goes down as the biggest failed presidency in my lifetime. Good man in his heart, but a real failure as a president. Smart move by the democrats putting Carter off somewhere where he wouldn't be seen; nobody likes to remember his total failure as president. His only accomplishment was the Camp David accord betweeen Isreal and Egypt, but that was overshadowed by his inability to stand up for America, when we needed him most with the hostages in Iran.
August 28, 2008
4:32 a.m.
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StellaCa writes:
It's not too late, Senator McCain. I implore you to select Mike Huckabee as your VP as the best choice for America and the Republican Party.
- Huckabee is an actual conservative with a Republican platform (wow!)
- Huckabee drew an incredible amount of support and delegates on a campaign shoestring.
- Huckabee won key states in the primary and would bring in the South to the General Election.
- Huckabee has the support of the youth and women, more than any other potential candidate.
- Huckabee, a Republican, was re-elected in a Democrat-run state and with the support of the black vote - twice, making his the longest serving governor in the nation.
- Huckabee is respected by his peers of both parties.
- Huckabee actually has run a government and a business.
- Huckabee showed calm, leadership, and expediency in the face of Katrina. (He welcomed and tended to storm refugees while the Gov. of New Orleans failed.)
- Huckabee revitalized the highway system, school structure and children's health programs in Arkansas
- Huckabee is consistent in his position regarding the sanctity of life and family values.
- Huckabee is an outstanding public speaker and debater, but needs no prompter to articulately speak his heart and mind to one person at a time.
- Huckabee comes from humble beginnings and knows the everyday plight of the common man.
- Huckabee answers to no special interests.
- Huckabee has visited and spoken with leaders worldwide and would protect our interests abroad.
- Huckabee wants to abolish the IRS and bring about the Fair Tax
- Huckabee wants to protect our borders and ensure a legal means to immigration.
- Huckabee knows the importance of strengthening our work force and keeping jobs thriving in America (what a concept!)
- Huckabee is tireless, will give you a straight answer without any bull.
- Huckabee can easily go toe-to-toe in a debate against Biden (who, by the way, has never won more than one percent of the vote in any presidential election).
- Huckabee has the optimism and sense of humor our country desperately needs.
- Huckabee supporters are loyal. In fact, many people won't vote for John McCain if Huckabee isn't the VP candidate.
- No other Republican candidate has gained the passion of his supporters as Mike Huckabee.
August 28, 2008
4:41 a.m.
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Eagle_Clan_Yan_yeene writes:
Obama and Biden, Hillary and Bill inspired us! Lots of Internet traffic will be reading this article. So I hope you don't mind if we court voters with ...
Leesha Harvey- Coal Train
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VItmtA...
John Mellencamp - Small Town
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eDkAG...
Bruce Springsteen - Radio Nowhere
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmLt6k...
American Soldier- Toby Keith (tribute)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctVI5b...
“Few will have the greatness to bend history itself; but each of us can work to change a small portion of events, and in the total; of all those acts will be written the history of this generation.”
Robert Kennedy Quote
Vote Obama/Biden 08
August 28, 2008
5:13 a.m.
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cooday writes:
“McCain is like a Grumpy Elephant with no vision and a flip flopping memory! There is a reason this Elephant is always attacking without a postive message. His trainers are Rove & Schmidt at the circus! We know what to expect at the McCain’s convention a Grumpy Elephant entwining his trunk with 2 Rogue elephants in Bush/Cheney with two cheering trainers in Rove & Schmidt who are trying to sell the American People a 3 rd George Bush Term.” RFK
Vote Obama/Biden '08
August 28, 2008
7:53 a.m.
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fntsymtn writes:
I missed it ... what's the notable "history" that Obama is making as the Democratic Party nominee? I couldn't find anything in this article that spoke to what the author thought was the "history" that Obama is making.
Anyone?
August 28, 2008
7:59 a.m.
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trinidad writes:
Didn't Biden say that electing obama would be a tragic mistake or something to that effect? Wonder what changed his mind? Just think of all the celebrities he'll get to meet . I bet he wet his pants when he meet Ben "the jackass idiot" Affleck. WAKE UP PEOPLE! The war is clintons fault. He was too busy having cigar parties to pay attention to what was happening in the world and let bin laden slip through his fingers(or was that the cigar that slipped?). If Kerry would've been elected the attack in New York would've been the first of many and we'd be one nation under allah. Obama will do nothing for this country. He's just the democrats token black guy.(something the dems learned from hollywood) Hillary doesn't want you voting for him cause that will ruin her chances in 2012.
August 28, 2008
7:59 a.m.
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LingLingfor_prez writes:
My only dilemma tonight is what DVD to watch during the coronation. Maybe 'The Wedding Singer' would do.
August 28, 2008
8:06 a.m.
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davies writes:
Obama is the first black person ever nominated to be the presidential candidate of a major political party in the United States. I prefer McCain, but even I can see the historic aspect of this, as electing Obama president would be a classic 'rags to riches' story, and a final departure from the paradigm of predominating victimhood for minorities in this country.
August 28, 2008
8:09 a.m.
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fntsymtn writes:
jay ... are you implying through your statements that congress must have more than a "slim" or simple (my words) majority to be successful?
if yes, then your statements apply to the 106th, 107th, 108th, 109th and 110th congresses (the congresses of the last 8 years) equally. Meaning, that the republican congresses before the current democrat controlled congress had the same obstructionist barriers as the 110th congress and cannot be solely blamed for anything.
Or are you just spewing your usual partisan bs?
August 28, 2008
8:16 a.m.
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samsmargolis writes:
joggle - actually, in your own posts you have 1) admitted there were "black" presidents before BHO and 2) admitted that BHO could just as easily be perceived by the voting public to be white...or black. So, the claim that he's running as a black candidate is in the eyes of the voter. Smoke & mirrors - just like the rest of his campaign.
August 28, 2008
8:34 a.m.
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fntsymtn writes:
davies ... this candidacy has adamantly not been about race, and the author makes no mention of Obama's racial lineage. Are we supposed to infer that the only history in the making is that Obama is of mixed race? While that is historic, I do not see what Obama is doing to make that history, it's not like he made the choice. I see his party making history with the nomination (as a choice), but nothing on Obama's part is historic.
August 28, 2008
9:15 a.m.
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davies writes:
fntsymtn: Well, I agree, the Democratic Party is primarily the history maker, but Obama is the primary object (if you will) of the historical event, so the two are so intertwined that it may be pointless to make the distinction. Suffice it to say that Obama has accomplished what other blacks, like for instance Jesse Jackson, could not. And thank goodness for that ;-)
And the Dems can pat themselves on the back all they want, but I think 'W' has done as much or more to elevate the consciousness and aspirations of black Americans, with his cabinet appointments of Colin Powell and then Condy Rice, as the Dems have ever done to this point.
August 28, 2008
9:15 a.m.
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mojambo writes:
The economy shifted to a higher gear in the spring, growing at its fastest pace in nearly a year as foreign buyers snapped up U.S. exports and tax rebates spurred shoppers at home.
The Commerce Department reported Thursday that gross domestic product, or GDP, increased at a 3.3 percent annual rate in the April-June quarter. The revised reading was much better than the government's initial estimate of a 1.9 percent pace and exceeded economists' expectations for a 2.7 percent growth rate.
This oughta help Obama's message that change is needed.
August 28, 2008
9:23 a.m.
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MBR693 writes:
JMac writes:
"thanks for another typical generalization by the oh so tolerent right, douche."
and then...
"you republicans are sure getting slower as the days go on."
Is that a generalization, JMac?
August 28, 2008
9:40 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
The GOP better pack a lunch. It rocked last night. Biden Rules! The middle class has spoken.
Obama 08
August 28, 2008
9:45 a.m.
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oatis writes:
Barak won my heart and established himself as a duly adopted son of Denver by correctly identifying our beloved football stadium as "Mile High Stadium", eschewing the repugnant corporate moniker that was shoved down our throats at the time of the new construction.
Some savvy Colorado local briefed him on how to stay on the correct side of things!
Go Obama!
August 28, 2008
10:08 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
oatis: "Barak won my heart and established himself as a duly adopted son of Denver by correctly identifying our beloved football stadium as "Mile High Stadium""
Ha ha! My husband cheered when he heard that, too!
Biden was amazing. I can almost forgive him for writing the law that sent Tommy Chong to jail...
August 28, 2008
10:25 a.m.
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jay writes:
better warm up the swiftboats...you folks on the right aren't going to beat this team on policy.
August 28, 2008
10:39 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
Jay that is the truth. Hand it over to RushL and fox news. I hope the American people are smarter than that this time. We can't afford anther four years of this, I mean it, I can't afford it.
August 28, 2008
10:41 a.m.
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Frontranger writes:
"but much of our current problems are a result of do nothing Democratic Congress!"
keep drinking that kool aid hadenough!
August 28, 2008
10:48 a.m.
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jay writes:
fstngmtn...nice strawman argument.
please reread my post if you're unsure what i mean, for there's no need to misrepresent my argument.
we're back to the simple equation folks.
do a good job...get reelected.
after 6 years of republican failures, including a nasty trend of legislating against the will of the majority of americans, the republicans lost the majority in congress.
two years later, the conservative president has continued to refuse to enact the will of the american people and the conservatives in congress have likewise spent their time continuing to obstruct legislation and initiatives with the support of the majority of americans.
apparently they didn't get the message the voters sent two years ago.
oh well...the beatings will continue until these facts change.
again...pretty simple equation.
August 28, 2008
10:51 a.m.
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fntsymtn writes:
"but much of our current problems are the result of 5 consecutive do nothing congresses"
fixed!
August 28, 2008
10:52 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
fntsymtn writes: "I missed it ... what's the notable "history" that Obama is making as the Democratic Party nominee? I couldn't find anything in this article that spoke to what the author thought was the "history" that Obama is making."
Unbelievable.
August 28, 2008
11:03 a.m.
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davies writes:
My, some of you are getting pretty excited here, and are perhaps a bit naive regarding what Obama could accomplish as Prez. But mostly, I just ask that you hold off on the inauguration for a few months yet.
Denver Dan, you'll be OK if McCain is elected, and I'll be OK if Obama gets elected. You'll see. Peace, Dems!
August 28, 2008
11:05 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
MrCrush writes: "The only history Hussein Obama is making is managing to be the most inexperienced politician ever getting this close to the White House."
Let's see, twelve years of state and federal legislative experience and an expert in and teacher of Constitutional law...
I hope you don't work in Human Resources. If you do, you've probably tossed some pretty good resumes in the trash.
By the way, do you normally go around dropping people's first names when you refer to them? I'm just wondering what your motivation to do so is here.
August 28, 2008
11:07 a.m.
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jay writes:
davies, you're quite right that obama is going to have a tough time getting all of his goals accomplished as president as he's going to have to work extra hard to fix the republican mistakes made over the last 8 years.
you could consider the next four years as a rebuilding term. i think, like clinton, obama won't have the resources to really make some headway on some of his goals until the second term.
August 28, 2008
11:10 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
davies writes: "My, some of you are getting pretty excited here, and are perhaps a bit naive regarding what Obama could accomplish as Prez."
I'm not. Frankly, he wasn't my first, or even my second choice. Also, he's got a hell of a lot of damage to undo if he gets elected. That's not going to be accomplished for years.
But, I think he's got a good chance of doing so, especially if he has the right folks on his team. I also think we're less likely to go to war with Iran than if McCain is elected, which will put the final nail in the coffin regarding our efforts in Afghanistan.
August 28, 2008
11:12 a.m.
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1968camaro writes:
Democrats always cut each others throats as Biden and Hilary did to Oduma! And then ban together; they all have speeches with no meaning behind them what so ever. Obama/Oduma does not have a clue on how to run a country, false lies. He fools people in thinking he will change our current situation in 4 years. No one has and no way in hell will he even come close. McCain will rain!! You all look like fools crying at the DNC, keep a good supply of tissue on hand. Because you'll be crying ev