I-25 to be closed four hours on day of Obama speech
Secret Service is firm after day of speculation
By Daniel J. Chacon, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published August 20, 2008 at 1:20 p.m.
The closure of Interstate 25 for Barack Obama's Aug. 28 acceptance speech will occur over a four-hour period, the Secret Service said Wednesday.
"We're planning to start the closing of I-25 at 5 o'clock, and we're planning to start the reopening at 9 o'clock," Malcolm Wiley, a Secret Service spokesman, said.
"We have worked very, very hard all along with our partners to make sure that the impact on the community is as small as it can possibly be," he added.
The announcement came after a day of speculation over whether a private after-speech reception at Invesco Field at Mile High would prolong the closure.
City officials and representatives for the Obama campaign bristled at the suggestion.
"The party has absolutely no impact," said Katherine Archuleta, a senior adviser to Mayor John Hickenlooper and his Democratic National Convention liaison.
Archuleta said I-25 was closed as part of a "national special security event" designation, which ends when a majority of people have left the stadium.
Archuleta stressed that neither the Obama campaign nor the city have anything to do with deciding when I-25 closes or reopens.
"For anyone to imply that the Obama campaign had any influence in it is absolutely wrong. This is about security," she said.
Wiley said Obama's speech is scheduled to end at 9 p.m. and that the senator is "probably" leaving after the event.
But campaign officials said Obama's post-speech schedule has not been finalized.
The decision to shut down a 5.5-mile stretch of I-25 was made to keep everyone - not just Obama - safe, Wiley said.
"If somebody came by in a tractor trailer filled with explosives and it were to explode right when it was beside I-25, imagine the damage that that would cause," he said.
During his weekly meeting with council members Tuesday, Hickenlooper said closing part of the busiest highway in the Rocky Mountain West was going to be "an inconvenience for a few hours."
"It's going to be a pain in the neck for some people, and I sincerely and honestly regret that," he said. "I lobbied as hard as I could for the length of time that it needed to be closed."
Stacey Stegman, a spokeswoman for the Colorado Department of Transportation, said CDOT didn't know when I-25 was supposed to be reopened.
"In fact, we don't even have an exact time of when it's going to close," she said before Wednesday's announcement.
Stegman said it takes about two hours to close the interstate and about one hour to reopen it.
"It's hard when we want to be able to communicate accurately to the public, but yet we understand that there are some things that are changing and you can't entirely pin down a schedule, and it is a national security event," she said.
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August 20, 2008
1:27 p.m.
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HopiMedicineMan writes:
So, what else are you holding back from the public, Dino?
August 20, 2008
1:28 p.m.
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danirobi writes:
And how does the City of Denver plan on getting the truckers who have to make deliveries around???
Why should the citizens of Colorado put their lives on hold for the Obamessiah?
August 20, 2008
1:37 p.m.
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Scott writes:
ANYTHING! For Thee messiah ... NOT!
Scott
August 20, 2008
1:45 p.m.
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LouiseT writes:
Is it possible for us to bend any further backward for this guy? I don't recall there ever being so much hoopla over a convention; and the notoriety he's received in the press borders on ridiculous. Here in Boston, Obama was a thrown a huge birthday party in a downtown highrise a few weeks ago. Needless to say, "everyone who is anyone" attended for a hefty cost.
August 20, 2008
1:53 p.m.
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danirobi writes:
The Convention in NYC wasn't this bad either.
And for those who say we close roads for Bush and Cheney, they are called rolling closuers, meaning they are on the road travel to a location and no they have never shut down a highway before.
August 20, 2008
1:56 p.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
Why close I-25? Are they expecting someone in a speeding car lob a bomb into mile high stadium? I don't get it. Maybe a car bomb will get parked on the Southbound shoulder. Please, this is ludicrous.
August 20, 2008
2 p.m.
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kalonblake writes:
Would someone please explain why the closure is needed at all? Simply declaring that it is for security reasons is insufficient. At their closest, I-25 and 6th Ave. are hundreds of yards from Invesco Field, with no clear line of sight into the field. We got through the G8 Summit and other Presidential visits without going to this extreme. And, even if they reopen it at a "reasonable" time, what about all the protesters that will figure out they now have an unfettered venue for mass protest and swarm all over these roads during the speech? (If I thought of it, they thought of it.) How long will it take to clear that? Moving traffic is an indirect and effective security buffer in the first place, why make it worse?
August 20, 2008
2:01 p.m.
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Rallyracer7 writes:
Wow, more like bending over forward and taking it. Isn't he supposed to be for the people, then shouldn't he be with the "people". Why do we need to close a highway for Dumbo? What can someone do to Invesco anyway from I-25, nothing!
August 20, 2008
2:02 p.m.
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CWW writes:
SO glad I don't have to be anywhere near downtown that week. Downtown businesses might as well close down because their employees won't be able to get to work. Guess that's what we should expect from Hussein Obama's lackeys Hicky and Ritt.
As for truckers and others needing the highway, well too bad for them. Sheesh, talk about elitist
August 20, 2008
2:04 p.m.
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missmilehi writes:
I wish I had a time machine to fast forward to September. .
*ZAP!*
August 20, 2008
2:10 p.m.
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kodijack writes:
All of this is a nightmare.
August 20, 2008
2:11 p.m.
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BigSky182 writes:
So what if a couple hundred thousand taxpaying American citizens are trying to get home from work on a Thursday night? OBAMA's having a party and that OBVIOUSLY trumps everyone else on the planet.
August 20, 2008
2:17 p.m.
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Oh_Wise_One writes:
LOL. The so called purple state of Colorado will be going Republican after this DNC fiasco. Good job Dems.
August 20, 2008
2:21 p.m.
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Fireball writes:
Why should these elitist snobs be concerned with the real people? The more we learn, the more this Obamessiah turns me off. Not only it is a huge inconvenience for thousands of people traveling, it is huge for the neighborhoods that all these cars have to pass through. And all of this is just at the start of a major holiday weekend where many people head out of town on Thursday night. I do hope that these elitist delegates stay through the holidays and spend plenty of money. But please do not fall in love with our beautiful state and stay. We need all of you liberal, far left marxist delegates to go back to where you came from.
August 20, 2008
2:22 p.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
HEY. City of Denver! Yeah, you! Don't close I-25. There is no legitimate reason. If there is a small inconvenience for the conventioneers, so what? Don't inconvenience the whole city. This is not right!
August 20, 2008
2:26 p.m.
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ifyem writes:
Let the festivities begin!! Some of you, like myself, should consider going to the Widespread Panic show in Aspen next Thursday night. It's gonna be sick, plus no traffic in Pitkin County!!
August 20, 2008
2:29 p.m.
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dilligaf writes:
missmilehi
Boy you and me both. The right wing nuts are going to give themselves a heart attack whining and crying. Every time I see a new article about the DNC I know I'm going to see the same children pouting. Please people get a live you will survive this. It is 4 days of inconvenience. Why don't you all put on your big boy pants and deal with it. I have never seen as many babies in all my life. I visit the local newspaper in Minnesota and I don't hear the Democrats carry on as much and they are facing the same problems except the stadium speech and that's because McCain can't sell out a movie theater much less a football stadium.
August 20, 2008
2:34 p.m.
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glowrock writes:
I'm so sick and freaking tired of the fake drama around here by those on the right it's disgusting! This has nothing to do with Obama, this is the freaking SECRET SERVICE that is making the decision! Nothing to do with Denver, nothing to do with Hickenlooper, nothing to do with anyone but the SECRET SERVICE!
The whining and moaning around here is sickening. Don't you guys have anything better to do?
August 20, 2008
2:36 p.m.
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ofcourse writes:
When will the city stick up for me? Denver, just roll over.
August 20, 2008
2:37 p.m.
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IRUNMAN writes:
If closing an interstate for less than 12 hours causes you much distress, as I read on this board, get a life.
Seriously.
Get a life.
I am sure you whiners are not even going to be near the affected area, you just like to hear yourselves whine.
Waa Waa...
August 20, 2008
2:39 p.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
So Big d. What Interstate highway is being closed in St. Paul? This isn't a dem-rep issue. It's a stupid idea on someone's (hick & his group most likely) part to close the PRIMARY North-South thoroughfare of the whole metro area. But, as you insist, it must be a stupid democrat's idea to do this for no apparent reason.
August 20, 2008
2:50 p.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
Geez.... just when you thought the Obama crew couldn't mess up Denver any more than they already have.... they come up with ANOTHER mess.
No wonder this clown is crashing and burning in the polls.
August 20, 2008
2:53 p.m.
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lowdowner writes:
Remember what ol Hickenlooper said early on
"Its not going to be that bad. Be just like when the Broncos and Rockies are in town."
Hickenlooper hasnt got a clue.
August 20, 2008
2:56 p.m.
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BigSky182 writes:
It isn't about the inconvenience. It's a matter of principle. It's about a Politician holding himself so far above the people that he believes his wants outweigh those of literally thousands of others.
August 20, 2008
2:56 p.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
Big D I'm really whining, but I do take your point. Just asking why. No one has answered that yet. Can you?
August 20, 2008
3:01 p.m.
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Nudnik writes:
All this for a guy who's going to lose in November??!!
August 20, 2008
3:08 p.m.
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glowrock writes:
Again, how many freaking times do I have to say it? It's the SECRET SERVICE mandating the closure of I-25, not Obama, not Hickenlooper, not the DNC, not anyone else!
August 20, 2008
3:19 p.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
Thanks glowrock. Then why not close I-35E in St Paul?
August 20, 2008
3:24 p.m.
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glowrock writes:
How the heck would I know, FlyfishDude52? Is I-35E in St. Paul adjacent to where McCain is giving his speech?
August 20, 2008
3:28 p.m.
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BigSky182 writes:
I don't care who made the decision. The fact that ANYONE believes that ONE person's comfort outweighs THOUSANDS of people's comfort is disgusting. They could just as easily schedule their event later in the evening and at least give working men and women a CHANCE to get home before the road is closed.
It is just one more shining example of how completely our Government is so in love with itself that it cannot be bothered to even look at the results of what it is doing.
The alternate routes will be jam packed with pissed off drivers in unfamiliar territory. They will be rushing to try to make up the time they lost. The odds of having an accident will be dramatically higher than they would have been had the Highway not been closed. This action actually puts the population of Denver at risk in an effort to reduce a hypothetical risk to Obama.
Any time that the Government makes a choice that puts it ahead of the people, the people SHOULD throw a fit.
August 20, 2008
3:38 p.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
glowrock, sorry for my assumption. I've been in the twin cities quite a bit & mistakenly assume many others have. After all, it seems that everyone everywhere has been to Denver at one time or another. The answer is yes, though not quite as close as mile high to I-25. Apparently greater minds than mine have figured this out.
August 20, 2008
3:48 p.m.
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PaleoConservative writes:
Anything that makes people hate the Obamessiah is fine by me. Close I-25 today and keep it closed for 2 weeks just to make sure that he's safe!
August 20, 2008
3:54 p.m.
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MileHighCritic writes:
Does anyone remember what security measures where taken back in 93 when Pope John Paul II came to Denver? I doubt it was this extreme. I have never heard of blocking a major highway during an entire speech and for the after party. When a sitting president comes to town they usually block the highway for the motorcade to pass. The road is then reopened.
August 20, 2008
3:55 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
All the babies on the right shut up and stop crying. You all sound like a bunch of girls. Get over it, the best person for the job is a DEM this time. Do they want anther dipsh@t just because he has a (R) next to his name, even if it is Donald Duck.
Maybe so they voted for Jr. twice.
August 20, 2008
3:59 p.m.
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fluxtube writes:
This has nothing to do with Obama, this is the freaking SECRET SERVICE that is making the decision! Nothing to do with Denver, nothing to do with Hickenlooper, nothing to do with anyone but the SECRET SERVICE!
OK, I get it now. If Obama wasn't coming to Denver the SECRET SERVICE would close I-25 anyway. Thanks for the clarification.
August 20, 2008
4:07 p.m.
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TheDenverB writes:
i support the guy, and this is BS.
we have an economy here based on trucking commerce up and down I-25... and putting a hold on it for longer than 5 hours is absurd.
yes, people can find a way around it...but there's a reason we created freeways in the first place: those 'ways around it' get clogged up, necessitating a stopless-freeway system to keep business and people moving.
enough is enough. get the guy out of there and to a hotel in downtown to party -- but DON'T stick around mile high.
what a joke.
August 20, 2008
4:16 p.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
Obama will be shutting down I25 for the next 3 months if he selects Joe Biden as his running mate.
" Biden, on a post-debate appearance on MSNBC, October 30, 2007: “The only guy on the other side who’s qualified is John McCain.”
Biden appearing on The Daily Show, August 2, 2005: “John McCain is a personal friend, a great friend, and I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off, be well off no matter who...”
On Obama:
Also from that Observer interview: “But — and the ‘but’ was clearly inevitable — he doubts whether American voters are going to elect ‘a one-term, a guy who has served for four years in the Senate,’ and added: ‘I don’t recall hearing a word from Barack about a plan or a tactic.’”
Around that time, Biden in an interview with the Huffington Post, he assessed Obama and Hillary Clinton: “The more people learn about them (Obama and Hillary) and how they handle the pressure, the more their support will evaporate.”
December 11, 2007: “If Iowans believe campaign funds and celebrity will fix the debacle in Iraq, put the economy on track, and provide health care and education for America’s children, they should support another candidate,” said Biden for President Campaign Manager Luis Navarro. “But I’m confident that Iowans know what I know: our problems will require experience and leadership from Day One. Empty slogans will be no match for proven action on caucus night.”
August 20, 2008
4:17 p.m.
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O_TRAIN writes:
I-25 is open right now if all you whinners are scared and need a head start.
It's part of the American political process, it happens every four years, it happens in Denver every hundred years. I'm confident you'll all find something new and partisan to whine about in a week and a half.
August 20, 2008
4:17 p.m.
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KenCrab writes:
Jeez, any chance to attack Obama, huh?
This isn't just about protecting Obama. Just think for more than three knee jerk seconds. What a great target that stadium makes for terrorists! Are you crybabies okay with a truck bomb, rocket, or some other horrendous device within easy striking range from I-25 to the stadium? Yes, if it were the Super Bowl, maybe the highway wouldn't be closed. There are, however, going to be 10's of thousands of people. A huge percentage of our government leaders. There will be US Senators, governors, congresspeople, judges, public servancts and local leaders, attending. Do you really want the Secret Service to take that risk? Are you whiners so sure you know what the risks are? Do any of you self-professed experts remember Dallas in November 1963? Why aren't you in the Secret Service yourself?
I'll defer to the professional opinions of those hired to do the protecting. I still hope to get a ticket to go. Even if I am at home, I want my city to provide the best protection possible.
Get over it!
August 20, 2008
4:41 p.m.
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EtJ writes:
America, meet the police state. Brought to you my the military industrial complex, big bidness, and loan sharks(bankers, wink wink). A huge helping hand from main stream media. Proud of yourself for setting silently, while 'they' took over?
August 20, 2008
4:50 p.m.
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blacksho89 writes:
So, Hick.
Highway's closed, local businesses closed, nobody in Denver got any of the national money...
Did you at least get kissed first?
August 20, 2008
4:50 p.m.
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P_Denver writes:
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Shaggy writes:
This is going to cause major traffic jams and a major blow to Obama in November
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Aliverer writes:
This how they treat us hicks in flyover country.
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The preceding are actually related, but the authors probably didn't realize it.
Shaggy: it won't be a major blow in November, because we don't count.
Aliverer: you are correct: we, and our neighbor states, are hicks.
Somehow the local media promoted the illusion that the race would be close, and that the Western states would be the deciding factor.
Wrong.
The race will be decided, as usual, by the states east of the Mississippi, plus California.
Even last year, Colorado was no more the "deciding factor" than Florida. The silly, outdated Electoral College wove its magic once again. We have never counted, and will not this time.
But: I urge you to vote, anyway. I want you all to have something to whine about for the next four years.
August 20, 2008
5:02 p.m.
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Grim_Reefer writes:
They don't close I-25 for Broncos games, and that's the same amount of people, right? (roughly)...this is lame.
August 20, 2008
5:06 p.m.
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hoodedbeagle writes:
Will they also be closing Speer, Colfax, Federal all the side streets near the stadium? Those are all just as close. What about the pedestrian bridge that crosses I-25? You know the roller coaster at Elitches is kind of close too. I don't care who's idea this was it's just plain stupid.
Have you ever driven through dowtown at 5:30 on a weekday? Now take that times the number of cars that travel I-25 each day. Citizens of Denver and surrounding areas should boycott the city and get as far away as possible next week.
August 20, 2008
5:22 p.m.
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Chadley25 writes:
Are we importing crybabies for the DNC or do all of you pantywaisted little girls actually live here? So much whining... good heavens. Somehow, I assumed Coloradans were tough enough to deal with 5 miles of I-25 being closed for a few hours.
I agree, it's all a bit ridiculous on the surface, but as another person wrote on here, there will be a lot of state and national government leaders in that stadium, not to mention tens of thousands of people. This isn't ALL just for Obama. And even if it WAS all just for him, let's face facts: he's a half-black presidential candidate with a very non-good ol' boy name, he seems to have a pretty good chance of winning, and he's running for office in a country that is still sadly overrun with ignorant racists and Islamophobes. So better safe than sorry. I don't think anyone, irrespective of his party affiliation, really wants an assassination to happen here in Denver.
August 20, 2008
5:23 p.m.
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mmannino writes:
Those claiming that BO and the Democrats have nothing to do with closing I-25 are wrong. If the speech had not been moved, there would not be a closure. There is no reason to give the speech in Invesco especially when I-25 must be closed. The side effect of closing I-25 is another sign of the elitism and arrogance of the Democrats.
Those claiming that closing I-25 will just be a minor annoyance are misinformed. Closing 5.5 miles of I-25 in both directions during rush hour peak is unprecendented even during TRex. The TRex closures were usually in non peak hours and weekends. I would like to see a simulation about the chaos. If there is not chaos, it is only because the entire city has shut down. The costs of loss productivity and chaos should be charged to the DNC.
August 20, 2008
5:28 p.m.
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jay045 writes:
I think this is a huge overreaction by the Secret Service (and yes, people, stop blaming Obama). In a way, it's a continuation of the overreacting, paranoid fears that have arisen since September 11th. Then again, the Secret Service has botched security at least two campaign events in the past (ask Robert Kennedy and George Wallace).
For those who said they could move the speech later, and presuming that it starts at 7pm, I have a feeling that the idea is to let East Coasters actually watch it. I'm sure those who diametrically oppose Obama would rather the speech not be broadcast, but I think both Obama and McCain's speeches need to be broadcast in prime time, when folks on both coasts can watch it.
As for when the Pope came here in 1993, I was living in Capitol Hill at the time (down the street from where the Pope was staying), and several streets were shut down at various times.
August 20, 2008
5:32 p.m.
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FCZ writes:
Hope and Change.
Hickenlooper said closing the busiest highway in the Rocky Mountain West was going to be "an inconvenience for a few hours."
Depends on how you define 'a few hours'
August 20, 2008
6:01 p.m.
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Oh_Wise_One writes:
mmannino is the correct. If the Obamama wasn't giving his coronation speech at Invesco, the Freeway wouldn't be closed. If you lefties think this is whining, wait until Barry loses and listen to yourselves.... That will be funny.
August 20, 2008
6:05 p.m.
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drkenne writes:
Generally the democrats look for and find reasons to shoot themselves in the foot. Obama could do more good by saying the Invesco thing off and hold Thurdsay's festivities at the Pepsi Center. I'm arfaid that Obama is doing more to push folks away rather than invite them in. Wouldn't it be nice to have someone besides McCain or Obama to choose from?
August 20, 2008
6:24 p.m.
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wow writes:
I haven't read all the posts, but I will eat my hat if I go through them and find that any one expressed the opinion that the Secret Service might have been considering the safety of more than one person.
If any of the speakers, or the nominee are targeted with explosives, or whatever, from I25, the entire stadium full of people will be in serious trouble.
Al Gore is an ex vice president...secret service protect him, and Jimmy Carter too, as an ex president.
It's their job to make those men, and the people around them, as safe as is humanly possible.
This isn't for Obama alone. Its for the whole convention, a convention that we are very lucky to be hosting, I might add. We will look back on the petty little inconveniences and irregularities and giggle, I assure you, all the way to the bank.
Not that I won't be glad to see it over too...Won't it be nice to have something new to gripe about?
August 20, 2008
6:28 p.m.
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Cliffjumper writes:
I can hardly wait for the miles and miles of stranded motorists to appear in the papers. No, wait, it won't.... they including this one are in the tank for BO. One more reason to avoid Denver this next week. I hope it is '68 all over again, would be just deserts for dragging Denver into the mud for no reason. If they had been reasonable and used the Pepsi Center I-25 would not have been affected. This is BO and all about BO, think about the Osiah when November hits. I need a sober leader not a socialite rock star!
August 20, 2008
6:33 p.m.
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Cliffjumper writes:
Big D,
This is Obamama's call to go to Investco, and only his decision. He decreed it to the Party and they are re-arranging for it. This is all around his neck, so do not blame the secret service for the O's decree. When you are stuck on the I-25 parking lot for 6-7 hours think about that.
August 20, 2008
6:59 p.m.
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Brain writes:
Is Federal going to be closed too? If this is about security than Federal is closer to the stadium than I-25, it should be closed too; R. Kennedy was shot from a gun just a few feet away. I think it is overeacting, they could have the highway open except for the beginning and near the end of the event.
Close I-25 at 5:30pm on a Thursday????
August 20, 2008
7:41 p.m.
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taoistblockhead writes:
Dan Caplis would prefer that all you whiners call his KHOW show between 3pm-6pm daily and accuse Obama of being an Islamofascist Black Panther intent on declaring martial law on American white people when elected.
Between the I-25 closure and abortion Caplis is intent on stirring up as much hatred possible. Call it Obama envy from a jealous fundamentalist fascist. I can't wait until Grandpa McCain selects a pro-choice republican for his VP running mate. Be sure to tune in to the Caplis-Silverman Enterntainment Show every afternoon - self-righteous flag waving fascism at its best.
August 20, 2008
7:44 p.m.
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Oh_Wise_One writes:
tao- sounds like a personal problem that you have. Maybe turn the dial to Air America so you can raise their average listener IQ.
August 20, 2008
8:22 p.m.
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FCZ writes:
If they are worried about ' tractor trailers filled with explosives ' then leave it open to cars.
August 20, 2008
8:32 p.m.
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mokey writes:
I can't believe how many uneducated, illinformed people come onto these site to render their opinions.
First, Obama is basically a declared presidential candidate. Both he an McCain are entitled to secret service protection just as if the president himself were to come to town.
They are not doing just to upset people, but to provide effective security to Senator Obama.
I have to half believe that the people who are upset are just a bunch of sad sack hapless white men who are mad because a black man might (but probably won't) inconvenience them.
The Denver City web site has information on alternate routes.
I'm pretty sure that for four hours people can find another way to get to where they are going.
For the past couple years, Colfax Avenue from Golden all the way to Aurora (?) has been shut down for the marathon FOR AT LEAST FOUR HOURS. Where's the outrage? None, because this didn't involve a black man.
Lame, sad, pathetic. C'mon people get a life.
August 20, 2008
8:40 p.m.
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dandy9918 writes:
Just for the record, I'm a conservative and I don't fault Obama for this. The Secret Service has complete control over security for Obama. If Obama wanted to get out of the car and shake hands with the crowd, the Secret Service could grab him and put him back in the car.
And you can blame New York City for the DNC being here. They pulled their name from consideration and the DNC was awarded to Denver by default.
The closure may inconvience locals, but what about all the vehicles traveling through Denver on their way to New Mexico or Wyoming? Traffic will be rerouted to I-225 or C-470. That shouldn't cause any problems for the suburbs. I suppose they could take E-470, but that would cost each vehicle $10 - $15.
August 20, 2008
8:47 p.m.
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mokey writes:
More examples that don't involve Obama:
Whenever they have a parade downtown, they shut down roads.
On July 4, I was up in the mountains and a little town (couldn't even tell you the name) shut down the only road in or out. I had to just sit back and watch their little parade.
When they had the Grand Prix down by Auraria: shut down a bunch of roads.
When the police officer was killed a couple years ago, they shut down a huge route beginning on Colfax (downtown) and leading to the cemetery.
As I mentioned in my previous comment, when Bush has come to town they shut down all roads within a wide radius.
There are many, many examples of cities shutting down roads to accommodate an event. This is just another example.
Again, it people would just expend a single brain cell on some of these issues they might actual be able to put things into perspective.
August 20, 2008
9:27 p.m.
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SteveM writes:
I don't like to insult people by naming names, but some of you neocon cry babies are really getting my goat. You think because you say it's so it's so, and that's been the problem with your presidency from the beginning and it's time for you to realize your days are numbered and soon to be over. Even the most ardent supporters of your Idiocracy are leaping to jump on any other wagon than the current one and admitting that Barack Obama won the Mega Church debate. In any case, you can stop with your phoney baloney right wing Rushsean Limbannity crap. I can guarantee you that if we had bid for and gotten the Republican Convention, and the honorable John McCain were to be giving his speech at Mile High Stadium, the SECRET SERVICE would close I-25 during the speech. This is the prudent thing to do when a potential future leader of our nation is giving such a high profile speech. (And no, mapquest illiterates, I-35 does not run right next to the Xcel Energy Center in St. Paul. ) You know what would be good...one of two things:
(a) Neocons who don't want to be here for the DNC, take a trip up to St. Paul and be with your kind...or...
(b) Recognize that partisanship aside, this is Denver's day in the spotlight, our chance to shine, and help promote our region for all the businesses that stand to make money and bring in new workers, customers, and companies to our area to buy the houses now losing value by the second and so on. Demos and Repos all stand to benefit from this national spotlight if we don't make a mockery of it like you are doing in this thread. You are proving our region to be made of unsophisticated rubes who don't get the economic potential of hosting this event.
Please choose one or the other and then just deal with it.
Thanks!
August 20, 2008
9:40 p.m.
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timeandagain writes:
c'mon guys, this whole "obama" thing was soooooo much more interesting a week ago when he was actually a compelling candidate. problem is, AMERICA WILL NOT VOTE FOR THE MOST LIBERAL MEMBER OF THE US SENATE!!! McCain is soaring past Obama now and that will continue til November.
the disciples should get some self-respect and quit the messiah...
August 20, 2008
9:59 p.m.
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yeayea writes:
"For the past couple years, Colfax Avenue from Golden all the way to Aurora (?) has been shut down for the marathon FOR AT LEAST FOUR HOURS. Where's the outrage? None, because this didn't involve a black man.
Lame, sad, pathetic. C'mon people get a life."
Retarded on so many levels.
First off, whatever marathon you're talking about takes place on a weekend.
2, Colfax Ave is hardly I-25 at rush hour. More like a long alley way for hookers and crackheads.
3. Are you telling me there weren't any black men in the marathon?
4. Are you telling me there weren't any black men involved in the marathon at all?
5. If this really is all a freakin..race thing..why were you the first one to bring it up?
I don't care if he's green. I don't care how many people think he's the Messiah. I live near Invesco and I already know I won't be able to get home from work that night because this pr!ck has to ride in and have this last minute ostentatious party.
Say what you want about anything, the Broncos play here 10 times a year and I have no trouble with getting around games whatsoever. There are just as many people at those games. I don't care if he's a freshman Senator, the lives inside that stadium that night are NO MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE LIVES PRESENT WHEN THE BRONCOS PLAY.
What a great message to send to people who's votes you desperately need:
"Me and my friends are far more important than you and your friends."
This is the message being sent from ALL of these DNC blunders. His hardcore supporters can deny it all they want- they'll find out in November. The polls show he's already in a free-fall...
I think we can see who could stand to get himself/herself a life...=(
August 20, 2008
11:02 p.m.
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Chadley25 writes:
Man, if neocons are crying and b!tching THIS hard now, over this trifling little matter of five miles of an interstate highway being closed for a few hours, imagine how incredibly distraught they'll be in November if Obama actually wins. I can scarcely imagine the gnashing of teeth and rending of garments.
Has Rush devoted an entire show to this "issue" yet so he can tell you neocons exactly how you feel about it?
August 20, 2008
11:24 p.m.
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wow writes:
"I can scarcely imagine the gnashing of teeth and rending of garments."
You forgot the pulling of hair, Chadley.
Its especially fun to watch old, balding guys try to do it.
November 5th....can't wait.
August 20, 2008
11:25 p.m.
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Ofearghail writes:
The DNC Freak Show should have been held in New York, where it belongs!!!
August 20, 2008
11:36 p.m.
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angryman1n writes:
You've got to be ****ting me!
August 20, 2008
11:37 p.m.
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angryman1n writes:
Maybe Obama should just roll around in a Pope-mobile.
August 20, 2008
11:47 p.m.
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angryman1n writes:
Maybe we should all protest this HUGE mistake.
CALL IN SICK TO WORK. It'll help relieve the traffic nightmare, and won't hurt the ecomony much. Face it we won't be able to do any business anyway. Goods won't get shipped, we'll spend the entire afternoon stuck on sidesteet traffic.
Why bother going to work? Take a day off. Relax. Thank you Obama. U'da Man.
August 20, 2008
11:59 p.m.
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angryman1n writes:
Glowrock.... Pull your head out. Obama is a free man. He can go where he wants, and he can refuse protection too. He can make the call not to close I-25, but apparently HAS NOT.
So, as you can see, Obama has the ability but refuses to pull the trigger.
***** Avoid I-25 between 1200-2300. *****
August 21, 2008
12:58 a.m.
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angryman1n writes:
FroWard... My buddy, My friend. How've you been? I see you're up to the same old tricks. Good for you. However, I have a couple quick questions.
You're still scared of Al-Qaeda? When haven't they been on a mission to damage the great infidels?
Do you know how many terrorist attacks on the U.S. within the last 20 years have been of foreign origin? Two by my count, both on the WTC.
This despite the list below:
- TWC 1 (Umar Abd al-Rahman, an Egyptian cleric who preached in the New York City area)
- TWC 2 (Usama Bin Ladin)
- Oklahoma City (Timothy McVeigh & Terry Nichols)
- Abortion Clinics (too many)
- DC Snipers (John Williams & Lee Malvo)
- Unibomber (Ted Kaczynski)
- Anthrax scare (Bruce Ivins)
- Atlanta Olympics (Eric Rudolph)
- ..............
Terrorism is cyclical, and domestic groups are our greatest threat.
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/pubs/fs/...
August 21, 2008
1:21 a.m.
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angryman1n writes:
YeaYea... Amen Bro.
August 21, 2008
1:25 a.m.
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angryman1n writes:
BigSky.... Double Amen
August 21, 2008
5:41 a.m.
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Walt writes:
I wonder what and how much security that the gov'ment will give to the Al Jazeera journalists that will be saying and doing who knows what from the Buffalo Rose bar in Golden! The diaperheads could very likely stir up as much if not more agitated activity for this little town as downtown Denver! I wonder why Boulder rejected their appearance? Why are they not reporting from the convention area instead of where the West lives?! Maybe they will find a resident to behead to gain live reporting value!
August 21, 2008
7:18 a.m.
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DeimosJB writes:
I've been on the road for 2 weeks now, and I, along with tens of thousands of other people need to drive home on I-25 right when it will be closed. Thanks a lot Barack.
Further, what a dumb statement to say that the Obama campaign has nothing to do with the closure. Yes, I understand that security personnel are closing the Interstate, not Obama. But I also understand that they would not need to close the Interstate if Obama wasn't there. No president, CEO or Pope has ever caused, requested or allowed such a closure in Denver. Then again, most CEOs and Popes care about the people they're visiting.
August 21, 2008
7:53 a.m.
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ghoax writes:
I wonder if they'll do the story about how the d's shut down denver to hear their marxist prophet obama utter the no message message. How about a dollar figure on the amount of lost time we get to donate to the messiah, how about the vacant be required to get to the venue just like the 70 thousand do for the Bronco's...I guess it's too much of an inconvenience for them to live like the rest of us. What a joke, what a bunch of jerks, Accommodating the crowd that threatens our freedoms, our sovereignty, our property rights, our free speech, and wants to turn us into a socialist, environmentalist controlled state of the world, should hardly be praised, nor given a pass to do as they will. I can't wait to hear how the 70k shuttle program works, of course this is the same crowd that claims the principle of supply and demand won't work with oil.
August 21, 2008
8:56 a.m.
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ActualThinker writes:
Oh no I have two weeks to prepare for a four hour outage. In return Colorado businesses will receive tens of millions of dollars in extra revenue and the state will add millions in tax revenue. But its not worth it if I have to deal with a small part of I-25 being shut down for a few hours. I dont mind Republicans taking all my liberties, spying on me, shutting down the highway with no notice so that the president or vice president can make a private fundraiser (rolling closure my a** ever been stuck in a rolling closure?) but this is too far. What a bunch of babies on here.
August 21, 2008
9:22 a.m.
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ActualThinker writes:
Obama wants this event open to the people, not delegates, maybe someday you will appreciate his desire for a government open to the people, its the exact opposite of what we have now where we cant even question the decisions our leaders are making. So we should give this up in favor of a barely safer but not open place? What was that Ben Franklin said about those that are willing to give up their freedoms and liberties again? Besides according to half the posters here the terrorists would love Obama, so they aren't going to stand in his way to get elected right??
August 21, 2008
9:23 a.m.
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Ian74 writes:
Oh and if Mccain's secret service did the same thing to I-25, you democrats wouldn't make a fuss would you? Because in reality, that's what you're saying - by commenting on the republicans being such whiners. Hypothetically, let's turn the tables. =]
August 21, 2008
9:26 a.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
" LouiseT writes:
Is it possible for us to bend any further backward for this guy? "
No. Get used to bending over and taking it without K-Y if this guy gets elected..
And we thought King George was bad for the country....
The DINOs are out in full force.
August 21, 2008
9:40 a.m.
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ChipN writes:
Remember the G7 meeting in 97, where you couldn't go within a mile of Clinton, wherever he was. Tied up all of downtown Denver. That was child's play compared to what is going to happen during the DNC
August 21, 2008
9:41 a.m.
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BigSky182 writes:
So just out of curiousity, I took a good look at I-25 as I was driving past Invesco field on my home last night.
It isn't even possible to drive a vehicle up to the stadium from the Highway.... there is like a 10 foot drop between the road and the building.
Any weapon big enough to pose a serious threat to the building would be very obvious to snipers. There is no "security risk" involved here.
This is not being done for security reasons. This is being done to increase the public's perception of Obama's importance. That's also why they decided to shut it down at exactly the moment when traffic is heaviest.... that way, they get the biggest impact and the most press.
If they were shutting down the highway from, say 7pm to 11pm, then no one would even notice... and that would defeat the entire purpose for doing this.
August 21, 2008
9:44 a.m.
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rmnreader writes:
Stop whining people. How about thinking about how much money this convention will bring to our city and Colorado? It's a one night pain in the butt drive - get over it.
August 21, 2008
10:14 a.m.
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fluxtube writes:
What was that Ben Franklin said about those that are willing to give up their freedoms and liberties again?
I think he was advocating for I-25 to be left open.
August 21, 2008
10:17 a.m.
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Shaggy writes:
This will also cause a MAJOR carbon footprint having thousands of cars and trucks idling for hours and hours and going against their very goal of having a green convention
I wonder what the carbon footprint is with all of them flying in and many on private jets?
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This is the most ridiculous thing on the whole message board...
August 21, 2008
10:44 a.m.
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yeayea writes:
"Obama wants this event open to the people, not delegates, maybe someday you will appreciate his desire for a government open to the people"
According to everything I've read, ActualThinker, all of the tickets to this event have gone to delegates, people who 'volunteered' 6+ hours, and those who will donate $1000+.
They really got you on this "open to the people" thing. Sounds to me like its open to hardcore supporters only. In fact, they lied about the distribution duping the entire city into believing it was first come, first served.
McCain and company aren't making this last minute desperation move to an NFL stadium because they know it's a logistical nightmare that in the end...well will be the way this one is headed to end.
Again, "Me and My friends are more important than you and your friends."
Which NFL stadium will Obama be commandeering for his concession speech?? Me thinks ya ought to start planning that one a little bit sooner than you did this one....if he wants to still have a shot at getting re-elected to the Senate..
August 21, 2008
10:47 a.m.
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jay writes:
"This is not being done for security reasons. This is being done to increase the public's perception of Obama's importance"
this quote perfectly illustrates the ignorance on the far right regarding this issue.
August 21, 2008
10:52 a.m.
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Chadley25 writes:
Ian74 writes:
Oh and if Mccain's secret service did the same thing to I-25, you democrats wouldn't make a fuss would you?
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I gave this some actual thought, and no... I honestly wouldn't mind a bit. A four-hour road closure, even of I-25, seriously just doesn't upset me that much (or at all, to be frank). If the RNC were being held here, I'd expect the exact same sort of chaotic zoo we're seeing with the DNC, and I truly wouldn't fuss or whine at all. Regardless of the party, it's a chance for our city to shine on the national stage.
Besides, there are plenty of things to complain about when it comes to John McCain without having to dream things up.
August 21, 2008
10:56 a.m.
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joggle writes:
MarineGrunt: Not exactly a fair comparison. Bush Jr had nearly universal support to go after Al Qaeda in Afghanistan (both by Congress and internationally) whereas Clinton had neither. Do you recall anything about the charges in the 90s accusing Clinton of trying to police the world and being hamstringed all along the way whenever he tried to send forces abroad by Congress? Do you remember how Bush Jr vowed to not be a 'nation builder' (presumably unlike his predecessor).
Bush Jr has nobody but himself and his own administration to blame for not doing better in Afghanistan. He had a supportive Republican controlled Congress and support by the UN to go into Afghanistan and blew it by only sending in a very limited ground force relying far too much on native fighters and air power and then by later sending the forces that should have gone to Afghanistan to Iraq.
August 21, 2008
11:05 a.m.
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fntsymtn writes:
I suspect that security details for Obama will only get increasingly more elaborate. As Obama has clearly stated, he does not "look like all those other presidents" and that reason alone is unprecedented in this country.
Don't expect these types of security considerations to decrease anytime in the near future.
August 21, 2008
11:12 a.m.
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ActualThinker writes:
Yeayea wrote: "According to everything I've read, ActualThinker, all of the tickets to this event have gone to delegates, people who 'volunteered' 6+ hours, and those who will donate $1000+.
They really got you on this "open to the people" thing. Sounds to me like its open to hardcore supporters only. In fact, they lied about the distribution duping the entire city into believing it was first come, first served"
Hate to break it to you but I'm a registered independent who did NO volunteering for Obama, was not called and asked to volunteer and I got two tickets. I know thats not as newsworthy as the stories reported but its true. People are going to be disapointed when a few hundred thousand sign up for 25,000 seats but thats not as newsworthy. If McCain wants to give me two weeks notice for a stretch of highway I cant drive, when it benefits the state greatly I'd have no problems with that either. The only times closures bother me is when I'm driving home and they appear out of no where. When I then come home to read I sat in traffic for two hours so that Cheney could attend a PRIVATE fundraiser, that bothers me.
August 21, 2008
11:27 a.m.
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fntsymtn writes:
joggle, the 106th congress was only in effect for 1 year and was the last congress where either party had a greater than 5% majority in both the house or the senate. The 107th through 109th congress brought a virtual stale-mate where neither party has held a strong enough majority to get anything done, and even with the current 110th congress, where the democrats hold a majority in both the house and senate, very little has been accomplished.
Having "control" of congress means nearly nothing for getting anything accomplished unless one party holds close to a super-majority in both the house and the senate. And the last time that happened was in the 80's and early 90's.
Blaming the Bush administration for the obvious failure of the entire government is partisan and limits your credibility.
August 21, 2008
11:27 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
Let's face it, even if they weren't closing I-25 for four hours for this event, that's how long you're probably going to be stuck in traffic at some point, somewhere during the DNC. This is a huge event and there are going to be tens of thousands of additional people in the city.
August 21, 2008
11:30 a.m.
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mytwosense writes:
Big_D writes: "The new horror film: A few hours of inconvenience."
-laughs-
August 21, 2008
11:40 a.m.
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joggle writes:
fntsymtn: Umm, yea. So let's tie those facts into what actually happened:
Clinton had bi-partisan opposition to sending more forces abroad. Bush had bi-partisan support for sending more forces abroad.
August 21, 2008
11:46 a.m.
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Zim writes:
RE: "This is a huge event and there are going to be tens of thousands of additional people in the city."
It's a great week to be living in the suburbs.
August 21, 2008
11:48 a.m.
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fntsymtn writes:
I suspect that the Super Bowl is a much larger event than the DNC, but we'll just have to wait to see the numbers on the Obama concert to really know how this convention measures up.
Reason for the comparison: I cannot recall any highway ever being closed for a Super Bowl (and definitely not for 4 hours starting at the end of a normal business day), so reasoning that it's because of the "tens of thousands" of additional people is questionable.
It is a bit silly that people are getting so worked up over a highway closure that is communicated well in advance. But then again, no presidential candidate has held a concert of this magnitude before either.
August 21, 2008
11:52 a.m.
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fntsymtn writes:
joggle, I do not understand your point?
Are you saying that because Bush had bi-partisan support that it's all his fault? Or are you suggesting that the bi-partisan support shares equal accountability?
August 21, 2008
12:03 p.m.
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joggle writes:
fntsymtn: As has been clearly defined by the Supreme Court Congress only has the power to fund or not fund a war. All of the details with its execution rest with the executive branch. When the war in Afghanistan was conducted so poorly that rests entirely with the president and his administration. He could have easily have had more troops on the ground but unfortunately listened to the advice of Rumsfeld and Cheney that desired very few ground forces. Congress had no say in the matter.
Clinton was never given the power to send in ground forces in Afghanistan and had no means to get them there even if approved by Congress due to not having permission by any of Afghanistan's neighboring countries (ie, Pakistan) to get the troops there through their airspace.
August 21, 2008
12:17 p.m.
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fntsymtn writes:
joggle: so, congress, if they believed that the war was conducted poorly could have voted to de-fund the war and thereby ending the poor execution. But they didn't and continued to fund the war and as such are just as much to blame for the war as the planners. Only a government who thinks that they can point the finger and say "it wasn't me" would believe that they can fund a program and not accept accountability for the results of the program.
August 21, 2008
12:21 p.m.
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Willy writes:
It's a plot by the Libertarians. They are going to raise campaign funds by selling burritos and hot dogs to all those stalled on I-25 for hours.
August 21, 2008
12:22 p.m.
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MarineWing writes:
too easy a target in commerce city... healdines would be simple:(Of course censorship is NOW in place when contrary to liberal beliefs)
Dems make home with Richard's
Richard's and Dems converge
I bet the city union workers called in for extra duty to close I-25 will get double pay protecting Hussein.
It is all Rove's fault anyway...
August 21, 2008
12:30 p.m.
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joggle writes:
fntsymtn: America can't afford to lose in Afghanistan. If Congress had cut funding for that war then that not only would have forced America out but also would have forced America to abandon its allies there. Not only would that have been a political disaster here but an international one as well not to mention leading to even more chaos in that country, not to mention doing nothing but helping Al Qaeda there.
No, we need a more effective, and much, much more competent executive to lead us now. That is the only choice and the reason why it's time to kick out our current administration ASAP. 150 days to go...
August 21, 2008
12:44 p.m.
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fntsymtn writes:
joggle: Political disaster or not, it doesn't absolve congress from their own accountability for the execution of the plan. If you know that a plan will not succeed, do not fund it. Require that the plan change (even provide leadership and guidance as to how to change the plan) before you agree to fund it. I refuse to give our government a pass on accountability for the "war on terror" and thereby placing the blame on any one branch, they are all equally accountable for what has transpired.
I agree that we need to "kick out" the incompetent folks in our government, and that includes those people in congress who have taken the "it's the administration's fault" approach to governing. Which includes a very large majority of the 110th congress.
August 21, 2008
12:49 p.m.
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ActualThinker writes:
I like the call that they should have stopped funding it. Have you forgotten all the "This person voted against providing the military with bulletproof armor". Anyone who dared question the funding were completely chastised as not supporting our troops. Apparantly wanting them home and out of harms way was not supporting them. Unfortunately a lot of voters fell for those type of remarks, they didnt see it as wanting out of a war we shouldn't be in, they saw it as not protecting our brave American men & women.
August 21, 2008
12:52 p.m.
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denverone writes:
Why anyone should have to be inconvenienced because some egomaniac wants to give his speech in front of more people is absurd. It will however translate to more votes for McCain as the truckers are going to be MFuuuckerin him all the way to Texas!!
August 21, 2008
12:57 p.m.
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RockyMtnMac writes:
NEWSFLASH!.....
I-25 is the major North/South road in the state - yes that's THE STATE! Not just Denver. And guess what? This is going to be a major inconvenience to VOTERS NORTH OF DENVER AND SOUTH OF DENVER (Remember the rest of Colorado?) Oh and believe me Baraka-Baby, WE VOTE!
August 21, 2008
1:06 p.m.
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seawitch writes:
THE SECRET SERVICE IS THE ONE CLOSING I 25 NOT ANYONE ELSE SO GET OVER IT PEOPLE
August 21, 2008
1:07 p.m.
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fntsymtn writes:
ActualThinker: Chastising someone for wanting to de-fund the war is no different than blaming someone else for your decision to fund a war you know is improperly planned. All of the banter about "supporting the troops" is for the simple people who will believe that type of crap. I expect much more from people elected to congress and if they believed that bringing the troops home was more important that saving face, they should have pulled funding or provided a better plan that they would fund. They did neither.
August 21, 2008
1:10 p.m.
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Salsmom writes:
Gee for democracy we will bomb the hell out of a country but darn it don't mess with traffic!
August 21, 2008
1:37 p.m.
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ActualThinker writes:
rockymtn- So we have the war, the economy, the school systems, oil, and a housing crisis as major issues to deal with. But its not these issues that influence who you vote for, it's a four hour highway shut down? I really hope people aren't that naive, it's like getting worked up over a lapel pin, we have bigger fish to fry as a country people, get over the small stuff.
August 21, 2008
1:41 p.m.
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rg writes:
I agree with the bulk of bloggers: I-25 should not be closed; however, to call Obama names, such as clown, when the name-caller's achievements don't measure up to Obama's is __________________ fill in the blank as my assessment will not weather the censor's click. Richard Grimes: Deicide.
Deicide Corner: “There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me ... that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in A, B, C, and D. Just who do they think they are?”-- Senator Barry Goldwater, R-Arizona
August 21, 2008
1:57 p.m.
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Scott writes:
seawitch writes:
THE SECRET SERVICE IS THE ONE CLOSING I 25 NOT ANYONE ELSE SO GET OVER IT PEOPLE
While seawitch's comment regarding who is demanding the closure of I-25 is dead-on, the problem is that Obama, and his lackeys, could do one of two things ... but haven't (won't?). 1: Thank the SS for their concern, but tell them that closing I-25 would inconvenience too many people so therefore leave it open, or, 2: Keep the location of the acceptance speech at the Pepsi center, hence no need to close I-25.
I guess that the New & Improved "Sermon on the mount" by the New & Improved messiah is SO much more important than tying up the entire Denver area for up to four hours. I wonder if the lib media will cover the mess of a traffic jam caused by the messiah's message to us unwashed ones?
Moving the message from the messiah to Mile High reminds me of the dog and pony show at Nuremberg in 1933. NO, NO, NO. I am NOT comparing the messiah's views/politics/etc to Hitler. What I am comparing is the similarities between the staged "rallies".
Scott
August 21, 2008
2:30 p.m.
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fntsymtn writes:
ActualThinker: Why deflect from the original topic of conversation and that is accountability within the government? You quickly want to place the blame for all of the country's ails with "the administration" and you claim to be an "independent"?
I'll take it that the "you" in your statement was directed to the general public "you" and not the fntsymtn "you", because I do think that government accountability is critical and want nearly all of the currently elected government to be replaced as they have proven that they are not capable of doing anything in the interests of the American people.
You know, if you double click my username in the fntsymtn writes: section of my posts and then use the ctrl+c key combination and then use the ctrl+v combination (also known as copy/paste) within the your turn: box you'll be more likely to correctly type my name in your future references to me.
August 21, 2008
2:30 p.m.
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dandy9918 writes:
Scott - Obama has no say over security. Obama can't tell the Secret Service to leave I-25 open, it's their call not his. The same applies to Bush, Cheney and McCain. As for your second point about moving from the Pepsi Center to Invesco, I believe we would still see I-25 closed. We shouldn't have this convention, but NYC didn't want it, so we got it by default.
August 21, 2008
2:38 p.m.
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jay writes:
ftmnsysm...i can't believe you'd support pulling the funding from our troops in combat...are you unpatriotic?
furthermore, why should we hold the dems "accountable" for the failures of conservatives over the last 8 years? did you really think it would only take two years to fix that mess? why would you want to kick them out along with the rubs?
seems like you want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
this just in...they'll be closing big sections of highways in minnesota too...the horror!!!
August 21, 2008
2:44 p.m.
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Scott writes:
dandy9918 sez, "...We shouldn't have this convention, but NYC didn't want it, so we got it by default."
Sounds similar to why California has so many diseases and Colorado has so many Texans ... California got first choice. ;-)
Scott
August 21, 2008
2:51 p.m.
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dandy9918 writes:
Scott - LMAO (thanks)
August 21, 2008
3:07 p.m.
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fntsymtn writes:
jay: your pathetically partisan comments are never worthy of discussion ... carry on
August 21, 2008
3:22 p.m.
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mytwosense writes:
RockyMtnMac writes: "NEWSFLASH!.....
I-25 is the major North/South road in the state - yes that's THE STATE! Not just Denver. And guess what? This is going to be a major inconvenience to VOTERS NORTH OF DENVER AND SOUTH OF DENVER (Remember the rest of Colorado?)"
I agree that road closures are an inconvenience, but it's just a 5.5 mile stretch of 1-25, for four hours, and they're giving plenty of advance notice for people to make other plans.
August 21, 2008
3:59 p.m.
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RockyMtnMac writes:
Pardon all of us North of Denver. We will certainly move our entire schedule around as long as mytwosense is not inconvenienced in any way. Enjoy your pep rally!
August 21, 2008
6:04 p.m.
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Brain writes:
BigSky182; I agree that a little different timing (later) would have been more reasonable. Monday Night Football does just fine in ratings and they come on at 7pm and sometimes last until 11pm = 1am on the east coast (he isn't going to be talking for 2.5-3 hours, is he?). On the west coast it will only be 6PM.
The more I think about it Federal Blvd would be closer and a better view since its uphill. They have got to be closing that too, right?
From what I understand they are not allowing folks to park in the stadium parking lots, the folks will have to bus/walk/shuttle/bike to the stadium; I wonder how that is going to work? Will RTD be short of buses during rush hour?
August 23, 2008
9:46 a.m.
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rg writes:
DNC happens only one time every hundred years; it is a reminder of American freedom predicated upon a Organic Law that our Pastor in Chief calls "a goddamn piece of paper;" however, it bans dictatorship called "God." It has banned the Preacher in Chief in the White House from seeking a 3rd term even though McCain's election will continue the Bush policy. Richard Grimes: Deicide.
Deicide Corner: “The impotence of God is infinite.”-- Anatole France