Carter, Kerry, Gore in DNC lineup
Heavy hitters among the many scheduled to take the podium
By Sara Burnett, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published August 19, 2008 at 11:35 a.m.
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Chicago Mayor Richard Daley
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Former Vice President Al Gore
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Former President Jimmy Carter
Jimmy Carter, John Kerry and Chicago Mayor Richard Daley will be among the speakers at next week's Democratic National Convention, organizers announced Tuesday.
Former Vice President Al Gore also is scheduled to speak at Invesco Field at Mile High on the night Sen. Barack Obama accepts his party's nomination, according to published reports.
The convention will start the first three nights - Aug. 25 to 27 - at 3 p.m., the Democratic National Convention Committee announced. It will end each night at 9 p.m.
No times have been announced for the final night, Aug. 28.
The schedule so far includes dozens of speakers each of the first three nights, from Obama's family to lawmakers past and present.
Thursday's lineup is expected to be considerably pared down. So far the only speakers in addition to Obama are expected to be Gore and Gov. Bill Ritter.
Monday's program will focus on telling Obama's story. His half-sister will speak, along with his brother-in-law and several political allies from his hometown of Chicago, including Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr.
The primetime speaker will be Obama's wife, Michelle.
Former President Carter also is scheduled to speak Monday night, as is Jerry Kellman, a mentor to Obama during his days as a community organizer in Chicago.
Tuesday's headliner will be Sen. Hillary Clinton, with the keynote speech by former Virginia Gov. Mark Warner. AFL-CIO President John Sweeney also will talk Tuesday, when the focus is on economic issues.
Wednesday's theme is "Securing America's Future." The still-unnamed vice presidential nominee will be the primetime speaker. Former President Bill Clinton, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, Daley and Kerry will speak that night as well.
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August 19, 2008
12:10 p.m.
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LingLingfor_prez writes:
"It is unclear what Gore will say in the speech.."
Are you kidding me? You seriously don't know what he will be talking about?
August 19, 2008
12:11 p.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
Probably, with all evidence to the contrary, he will say that the existing climactic conditions are a conservative ruse and that we shouldn't believe anyone but algore who brought us "a global nightmare tactic."
August 19, 2008
12:16 p.m.
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skleepit writes:
Who cares what the pin head has to say. If you are to stupid and believe anything that this liar has to say then we are indeed in trouble. Get the duct tape out!
August 19, 2008
12:18 p.m.
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ItsJustme writes:
Please, please, please snow.
August 19, 2008
12:19 p.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
Gore will fly in on his private jet, drive to Invesco in his fleet of Suburbans..... so he can whine about how little people need to stop harming the environment by using so much energy.
August 19, 2008
12:34 p.m.
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joggle writes:
skleepit: Well, not only am I stupid enough to believe a lot of what he says I'm even stupid enough to use proper English so I guess we are in trouble.
Seriously, think for yourself and do some research sometime. If you don't have much time, just peruse wikipedia and follow the links. You'd be surprised by how much he is right and how much you likely are wrong about climate change and global warming. But you're probably too smart and already know everything anyway so it would be a waste of time.
August 19, 2008
1:02 p.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
Grunt - Maybe you meant stadium of the winds...
it's just me - maybe you didn't notice but the high country received fresh snow last week & weekend. I was in a wilderness area for 5 days & had snow on the tent twice! Maybe we can have a repeat during the dnc.
August 19, 2008
1:16 p.m.
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joggle writes:
I don't care if he's a hypocrite. If he's right, he's right. If he convinces thousands of others that he's right and/or has an effect on government policy then he's still having a positive overall effect. I'm pretty sure he spends a lot on various programs to reduce CO2 emissions so he might not be a total hypocrite, although he really should try harder to set a better example I think.
August 19, 2008
1:23 p.m.
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danirobi writes:
Oh so Mr. Global Warming aka, Hot Air Gore will be speaking?
August 19, 2008
1:25 p.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
joggle - That's the problem... He is not quite 100% incorrect. His, so called "experts" won't even corrorborate their earlier statements that appeared in his book, probably cause they were couched in hyperbole and 1/2 truths.
August 19, 2008
1:48 p.m.
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joggle writes:
MarineGrunt: If I told you it was smart to not waste your money gambling in Las Vegas then turned around and blew thousands of dollars gambling in Las Vegas it wouldn't invalidate the original advice.
Whether he's a hypocrite or not Al Gore is right about global warming.
August 19, 2008
1:51 p.m.
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WestminsterJ writes:
MarineGrunt: No, it's your problem. Just because someone is hypocritical, doesn't mean that what they say isn't true. If John Edwards says fidelity to one's wife is a good thing, he's right even though he's a hypocrite. Get it?
August 19, 2008
1:55 p.m.
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joggle writes:
FlyfishDude52: By what definition are the experts cited in Al Gore's book not experts? They don't agree with your viewpoint? It certainly isn't due to lack of scientific publication, credentials or any other standard I've ever heard of.
I'm also curious about who and what you're talking about. As for a counter-claim movie, The Great Global Warming Swindle, it is filled with numerous factual errors and bad science (detailed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grea...).
August 19, 2008
1:57 p.m.
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joggle writes:
MarineGrunt: No, it would make you a hypocrite. Period. Not a liar.
August 19, 2008
1:59 p.m.
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Dick_Tater writes:
Somebody must have shaken the tree, all the nuts are falling out. Lookie here folks, it is half man, half bear and half pig. Let the DNC freak show begin!
August 19, 2008
2:05 p.m.
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joggle writes:
MarineGrunt: You don't seem to be seeing the difference between being a liar and a hypocrite. A hypocrite is simply somebody that doesn't practice what they preach (a huge number of Americans and probably every single politician that ever existed). If somebody like Gore was elected he would have put in place more green policies while personally creating more CO2 than almost any other individual on the planet. He still would have made a good impact despite being a hypocrite.
A liar, on the other hand, is somebody who will say whatever is needed to get what they want. The WMD in Iraq was essentially a lie used to get us there for whatever true purposes the administration desired. (purposes that presumably would not have been sufficient in and of themselves to convince congress to give him the power to invade Iraq) A liar is a much more dangerous person to get elected, especially liars about national policy (as opposed to their personal sex life).
August 19, 2008
2:08 p.m.
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joggle writes:
Check out both the wikipedia page for "The Great Global Warming Swindle" and "An Inconvenient Truth". The criticism for the former is much more pronounced and well-founded than for the latter.
August 19, 2008
2:13 p.m.
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MileHighCritic writes:
EXCELSIOR!!!!!!
August 19, 2008
2:24 p.m.
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dilligaf writes:
He will say that Obama doesn't have to worry about McCain having a brother as a governor that can help steal the election. And this has nothing to do with the count but everything to do with placing republicans at heavy democratic precinct's to keep minorities from voting.
August 19, 2008
2:53 p.m.
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joggle writes:
steel: I would counter that the Republicans philosophy would be to bury their hands in the sand and simply not acknowledge their own politicians' hypocrisy, which is tremendous and obvious.
As for the 'dumbest comment on the Internet today', he might be referring to this incident: http://archive.salon.com/politics/fea...
In that incident a bunch of Republicans were flown in from out of state to block a recount. Still an ugly incident if you ask me. There were lots of voting irregularities in that vote though, with some favoring Republicans and others favoring Democrats. It seems to me that overall it favored Republicans but no matter what it was a very imperfect election they had there in 2000. Just see this link for a summary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_S...
August 19, 2008
2:58 p.m.
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dilligaf writes:
It may be dumb to you but it was a fact. They had several cases in Florida were 1000's of blacks were not allowed to vote because of GOP challenges that they had felonies when they didn't. The GOP spend a lot of money keeping minorities from voting. Do some research before you make your stupid posts grunty. I will be glad when this is over and Obama kicks grandpa's a-- so you can crawl back in your hole.
August 19, 2008
2:58 p.m.
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timeandagain writes:
Wow, the DNC is really rolling out the cream of their crop on this deal!
Jimmy Carter - nutty old fart that should have been boxed up years ago...
Mayor Daley - one of the most crooked political families in American political history...
John Heinz-Kerry - spoiled, pretentious, do-nothing, wind bag crybaby...
Toss in John Edwards, Detroit Mayor Kwame Whatshisname and a couple of Kennedys.
Mix in Rage against the Machine and a few other has-been bands.
Sprinkle a few jobless, homeless, worthless protesters.
And drop a Barbara Boxer on top.
Now that, my friends, is the recipe for CHANGE in America!!
August 19, 2008
3:05 p.m.
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watcher1 writes:
Carter, Gore, I can understand. But the Sad Sack, Spineless Kerry?
August 19, 2008
3:06 p.m.
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dilligaf writes:
Yea the cream of the crop includes TWO Nobel Peace Prize winners. Can someone tell me how many GOP politicians have this award?
August 19, 2008
3:08 p.m.
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dilligaf writes:
Spineless Kerry?
Fought in Vietnam and didn't run like the brave Mr Bush.
August 19, 2008
3:12 p.m.
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dilligaf writes:
Best look at Bushes approval rating before giving Carter that award.
August 19, 2008
3:14 p.m.
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dilligaf writes:
MarineGrunt
Look at the info joggle gave on his post @ 2:53pm.
August 19, 2008
3:20 p.m.
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timeandagain writes:
Froward, you live in Denver. The DNC is in Denver. Of course that is all you are hearing about. Think about it...
I will GUARANTEE this: The net economic impact of the RNC on the Twin Cities will be SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER than the DNC will be for us here in Denver. In fact, I am willing to bet that the DNC will have a NEGATIVE economic impact on Denver (just like it did in Boston, Los Angeles & Chicago before us).
The RNC will have a POSITIVE economic impact on Minneapolis/St. Paul. Just like the Republicans did in New York, Philadelphia and San Diego before...
You see, Democrats are TAKERS and will LEAVE NOTHING here in Denver but a big mess and a lot of bills for us Taco Bell employees to pick up.
So, Froward, enjoy your "free" credentials to the Messiah's speech and please understand that we will ALL be paying for this debacle for years to come!
August 19, 2008
3:22 p.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
Wow..... the best that Democrats could find are:
Gore
Kerry
Carter
Oh wait. That REALLY IS the best they can come up with!!!!
Democrat party of the past.... JFK, FDR, Truman
Democrat part of today.... Gore, Kerry, Carter, Obama
Two modern day duds that lost, one that was chased out of office by angry Americans, and one that can't manage more than a tie, even with the best election conditions in history.
August 19, 2008
3:22 p.m.
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LingLingfor_prez writes:
I think it is up to 14% now for congress isn't it? Most places in the world they would have been replaced by force a long time ago. Kick the bumbs out 2008.
August 19, 2008
3:29 p.m.
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Mayor_Quimby writes:
Agreed Time... think of Dems as a virus. They move into one area and consumer and destroy it and then move onto another. Its called the Blue State Phenomenon. They destroy their state, move to a red one, destroy that one and move on.
August 19, 2008
3:36 p.m.
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Willy writes:
I am convinced the real reason for global warming is all of the hot air created by American political campaigns.
August 19, 2008
3:36 p.m.
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ou8one2 writes:
Gore, Kerry, Carter, Obama: Vladimir Putin and Osama Bin Ladin must not have been available.
Also, lest we forget, one of the biggest terrorists in the world also received a Nobel Peace Prize: Yasser Arafat. A Noble Peace prize is not worth squat in this day and age.
August 19, 2008
3:51 p.m.
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joggle writes:
timeandagain: Care to back up any of your assertions with facts?
rickg19611: One of the duds lost in a statistical tie so that's basically blaming somebody for having bad luck. The other dud didn't believe people would be stupid enough to believe the swift boat attack adds. He was proven wrong.
I'll grant that Carter was by no means a great president. However, he has really been effective since his presidency. If you doubt his capabilities, try reading one of his many books sometime (written entirely by himself, doesn't need any help other than an editor, unlike many other politicians I can think of -- Bush Jr for starters).
MarineGrunt: "If it is real, you KNOW it is a tactic used by both sides, so lets not get to far a head of ourselves!"
I don't buy your premise. Just because one side does something doesn't mean the other is going to return the favor. For example, when the Republicans were in charge of Congress they threatened to use the 'nuclear option' that would significantly curtail the power of filibusters if the Democrats didn't relent. Since the Democrats have taken the majority in both houses of Congress they have never even threatened to use the nuclear option despite numerous filibusters by the Republicans over all sorts of issues.
Point out one equivalent of a Democrat swift-boat attack. Even moveon.org isn't that obnoxious in comparison.
August 19, 2008
3:54 p.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
What is this, a circus at Invesco? It's a lineup for the freak show! Carter, Gore and Kerry speaking at the DNC........ it's going downhill for Obama.
August 19, 2008
3:56 p.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
joggle, don't take wikipedia so seriously dude. The British won't even allow Gore's movie to be shown in school since they proved a lot of it is based on lies.
August 19, 2008
4:05 p.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
dilligaf, McCain not only fought in Vietnam, he was a POW. Talk about one upmanship on the elastic man, Kerry. Oh yeah, he also didn't run off to England to attend school there to avoid the draft like Clinton did.
Why don't you take a look at some of the other people to win Nobel prizes..... the list isn't as exceptional as you're trying very hard to make it sound. Go back to the drawing board, today is another day you've failed.
August 19, 2008
4:31 p.m.
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joggle writes:
Cwillyrun1: "The British won't even allow Gore's movie to be shown in school since they proved a lot of it is based on lies."
Actually you're wrong, something you would have realized if you had checked out the wikipedia article. See http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2...
In addition to England, Spain, Scotland and Germany show this film in their schools as well as a number in the US.
"Oh yeah, he also didn't run off to England to attend school there to avoid the draft like Clinton did."
He was an Oxford Scholar. That's not exactly running off to England to avoid a draft. Do you have any idea how hard it is to earn that scholarship?
August 19, 2008
4:40 p.m.
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August 19, 2008
5:01 p.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
Oh boy... the Democrats have certainly reached into the bottom of the barrel for speakers....
Jimmy Carter - speaking about how he managed to escape an attack rabbit
John Kerry - speaking about the joys of wearing tight yellow spandex
Richard Daley - speaking about how his daddy managed the last Democrat riot.... er... I mean "convention"
Al Gore - preaching about how the little people need to do as he says, not as he does...... and then he'll hope back on his private jet to his mega-mansion where he'll draft his next speech on why the little people need to sacrifice to save the planet.
Bill Ritter - speaking about the benefits of plea bargains for drug dealing illegals
Obama's half-sister will speak, along with his brother-in-law - that sounds fun! Flying them all the way in from their hideouts just to make a speech.
Several political allies from his hometown of Chicago - REV WRIGHT! BRING IT ON!!! BILL AYRES.... POWER TO THE FATCAT PEOPLE!!!
Obama's wife, Michelle - Good to see that they're allowing her out of the secret hiding place they've been keeping her. FREE MICHELLE NOW! Why gag her and prevent her from speaking her mind? LET HER TALK! A LOT!!!!
Sen. Hillary Clinton - finally a candidate that the delegates can vote for that might be able to beat McCain. Obama sure can't seem to do better than a tie.
Mark Warner - I can feel the excitement building!
AFL-CIO President John Sweeney - nothing like some class warfare to get the lefties all riled up and ready to riot!
Bill Richardson - Grizzly Adams is back! Richardson's beard makes him look like Al Gore during his drunken binge phase in 2001.
August 19, 2008
5:33 p.m.
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fntsymtn writes:
Actually, the nuclear option was threatened to make congress vote on judicial appointments. Hence the "gang of 14" compromise. You can't make a comparison to the current congress because there have been zero judicial appointments by a democrat president that the Republicans have had an opportunity to filibuster. Your example was a poor one, joggle. Congress has always used the filibuster to prevent votes on "regular" business, but the filibuster has rarely been used to block votes on judicial appointments, and certainly not with the frequency of the 109th congress.
August 19, 2008
5:56 p.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
Add the fact that AL JAZEERA is going to be in GOLDEN....
The military call this a " Target Rich Environment "
At least I'm located UPWIND of this CF called the DNC....
August 19, 2008
6:17 p.m.
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DBCooper writes:
Karl Rove strikes again! Priceless. Highlight our current energy issues with Jimmah Carter (Sans cardigan, I hope) ? Global warming, as it snows in the Rockies, ski resort owners print money, and denver freezes..take it Goracle ? And hand off the economic problems of the "little guy" to the heinz pickle giggalo on his way to Sun Valley to spend a dead GOP Senator's money? Perfect. Add Bubba for the values voters and the Herself to remind everyone of how Obamadinejad and the media trashed women and reflect on DNC leadership competence during the primaries? Does anyone wonder how these dopes keep losing?
August 19, 2008
6:24 p.m.
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Sigmond writes:
Carter, Gore, Kerry, Daley....Why not add McGovern, Gary Hart, Dukakis and Dean, and then you'd have almost the entire Politburo..
Stalin would be so proud.
August 19, 2008
6:33 p.m.
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xjug1987 writes:
Sigmond wins! Carter, Gore, Kerry - 3 absolute losers! You get the worst President ever, a complete lunatic/liar, and a friggin Narcissitic boob! What a party full of losers! When is the bearded lady Hitlary showing up? Its laughable if it wasn't pathetically scary. This idiot Barry, could have the most powerful job on the planet. Carter - Obama.... hmmm, does that mean we get Reagan in 4 yrs? I just might go there!
August 19, 2008
6:39 p.m.
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bloodhound writes:
A big historical event. The most losers ever to appear for the dimwits.
August 19, 2008
6:40 p.m.
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jdhein22 writes:
I don't know what I laughed at more...
(1) someone citing Wikipedia as a reliable source
(2) someone typing, and I quote, "Yea the cream of the crop includes TWO Nobel Peace Prize winners."
August 19, 2008
6:44 p.m.
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HunterGatherer writes:
What a bunch of mindless Limbags posting their inHannity on this board. You guys just want to keep digging the hole deeper and deeper.
Dense Wacko's Unite... Vote McCain. You have nothing to Save but the Oil Company profits!
Sorry, I got that wrong: Dense Wacko's Unite, Vote the Adulterer McCain. You have Nothing to Save but Cindy's Tax Bill!
August 19, 2008
6:57 p.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
Just a reminder; Yasser Arafat won the PEACE PRIZE in 1994...Kofi Annan in 1991
[sarcasm] Yep, both of those areas are peaceful now [/sarcasm].....
Oh, another little factoid: The Fed Center has a WORKING Nuclear Reactor.....
We are looking at what might become a " Perfect Storm "....
August 19, 2008
7:15 p.m.
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PaleoConservative writes:
Froward69 writes:
"dilligaf,
Teddy Roosevelt Nobel laurate.... 100 years ago... not 1 republican since."
If your organization hired one minority in a hundred years, one might describe it as slightly biased...
August 19, 2008
7:52 p.m.
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wdgood writes:
The Democrotch convention will be one giant crapfest. Gore? Carter? Kerry? They all have in common that they are big-time dorks. Are there any "great" Democrotches?
August 19, 2008
8:34 p.m.
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nsdrain writes:
Global Warming is just a myth perpetuated by the liberals to stop the depletion of the ozone layer and make the air more breathable. How dare them. I like my smoggy air and intense ultraviolet waves just the way they are.
August 19, 2008
8:36 p.m.
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xjug1987 writes:
wdgood: YOU my friend, Nailed it!
August 19, 2008
8:37 p.m.
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xjug1987 writes:
good nsdrain, move to China or India. Both exempt from your precious Kyoto Round crapfest. Enjoy!
August 19, 2008
8:58 p.m.
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xjug1987 writes:
Guarantee Gore talks about how 2000 was stolen from him by Karl Rove, and what a great world we'd have if he'd been President. Followed by that useless idiot, Kerry who will pretty much say the same stupid thing. If only.... losers!
August 19, 2008
9:24 p.m.
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drishm writes:
Are you kidding me?
Not only do we get to listen to the Clinton Show we get the resurrection of Dumb, Dumber, and Dumbest!
And then we get the Messiah "Obama"....who will save the world.
All we need now is Sharpton and Jackson for the complete package.
Yes folks... the Dem's have taken a dramatic left turn back to the 60's.. get your rolling papers ready and dig out the tie die man...
Get your TIVO's ready!
August 19, 2008
9:34 p.m.
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timeandagain writes:
Froward - funny list, I will admit.
August 19, 2008
9:57 p.m.
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bobscofield writes:
If Gore had been elected President in 2000, Cheney, McCain and Bush would not have been able to send 4,144 American troops off to die in Iraq. The comments on this site make me sick. You people support the Republicans who forged documents and lied to Congress, the UN and the American people, killing over 4 thousand of our troops, 100,000 Iraqis, and ignoring the war against those in Afghanistan who actually attacked us on 9/11. McClellan has come out and told you that he lied to you all those years, and you still keep your heads in the sand. And you criticize these guys, 2 Nobel Peace Prize winners and a Vietnam war hero? You Drudgetards are brainwashed.
August 19, 2008
11 p.m.
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picnicfun writes:
What a glorious night it will be! The Prophet AlGore and the Annointed One on the same platform! Can we stand it?
August 19, 2008
11:33 p.m.
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ShamefulRepublican writes:
As a lifelong Republican, I am truly embarassed at the state of my party. Senator McCain offers absolutely no substance in his arguments with regards to energy, the economy, and the war in Iraq. It is so disheartening to see the party align around issues such as increased offshore drilling and the "success" of the Iraq surge. As a petroleum engineer, I know that offshore drilling has little, if any, impact on solving our energy problems.
While I probably won't switch my party affiliation, I am planning on voting for Obama. I am so tired of the complete failure of the Republican party during the past 8 years. It would be refreshing to actually have an executive branch that is intellectually sound (while I'm not a fan of Obama on many issues, I completely respect his intelligence). Senator McCain is clearly a war hero and should be honored for his service in Vietnam, but he is no position to be leading this country.
Let's bring back some respect to the White House.
August 20, 2008
12:41 a.m.
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thscd writes:
Al Snore, Moron Kerry Reporting for duty, and the worst President in history Carter, wow that will put people to sleep! Carter lost 49 of 50 states, Kerry was the biggest loser, he lost by the largest popular vote in the history of elections 3.8 million voters said no way JFK the Viet Nam vet don't you know, and Al Billionair loser Gore the worst lying VP to ever be in the Whitehouse Mr Global warming who polutes more that most cities with his Lear jets, he arogant condisending egomaniacal criminal. Wow that Barry Obama has change, the old being rehashed, they are tired old loosers! The DNC is showing their stupidity with group! Hillary the Martyr, Barry Soetoro the Muslim non USA citizen running for Pres, Bill the rapists and sex addict except not with Hillary, Peelosi 7% Aproval rating and the most hated women in the USA and by far the most man hating pathetic little wormy Hitler women ever to disgust America, Michelle Soetoro Obama the women who hates white people and is abosolutely the worst of the worst radical Anti American pile of DRECK, yikes What a freak show of 1968 burned out commy Anarchists Radicals MARXISTS COMMUNIST SOCIALISTS on parade! What a truely degenerate disgusted pile of the worst of the worst of America! These people are delusional Obama will never be pres, nor Hillary, Pelosi won't be speaker after this election the Dems lose the house the senate and and the presidency by huge landslides! This is 2008 not dope smoking LSD taking 1969 all of these Democrats are the lowest low lifes to ever disgrace America! That's the Obumber change! More of the old crap!
August 20, 2008
1:40 a.m.
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GoBHO writes:
thscd, that is a whole lot of stupid to cram into one post. You obviously detest intelligence. Your candidate is an old, ugly, dumb, crazy adulterer. He is confused and incompetent. He graduated at the bottom of his class. He probably crash landed on the doorstep of the Hanoi Hilton. It would not have been the first time. His wife is a drug stealing crackhead. He is a manchurian candidate. There's not enough people as stupid as you to get him elected. Deal with it! Then get hooked on phonics!
August 20, 2008
1:47 a.m.
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BrandiWine_84 writes:
If we're going to resort to name-calling as our primary tactic in an argument against Dems, then let's take it all the way back to the halls of high school. I would much rather have a dork governing my country than a bully, a dumb jock, a burnout, I dunno, pick a stereotype . . . .
August 20, 2008
1:51 a.m.
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GoBHO writes:
What is the obsession with Al Gore's jet? All of our politicians fly around in jets. All of them have huge houses. I heard that McCain has 8. They all drive gas guzzling SUV's and limos too. Just so you know.
August 20, 2008
2:02 a.m.
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GoBHO writes:
These four classy, intelligent men would never offer up their wives to be in a topless pageant. They'd never sing about bombing people. John McCain is a crass, skirt-chasing, senile geezer. He has the nerve to say he'll defeat evil. If that's true he should start with himself.
August 20, 2008
4:13 a.m.
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RedTruck writes:
Each speaker from the list made public will turn off a sizeable group of Americans and further diminish Obama's candidacy.
Untold amount of money (1/2 billion through primary and election day?) to create yet another Obama extravaganza and a group of socialists speakers every single day. Recipe for failure.
August 20, 2008
6:29 a.m.
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xjug1987 writes:
bobscofield and shamefulrepublican: you're clueless. GoBHO no one wants to see Theresa Heinz (she only used Kerry during the election) Tipper the Hipper, or Michelle my Belle in a contest as such. Evil is in your mirror, say good morning. Barak Hussien Osama is an empty shirt. Its not the 60's anymore where music, and flowers can change the world. Tell your stories to the Georgian people as the watch Russian tanks blow up their bridges and drive over their flowers. You people swim in feelings. Our enemies don't have any and your lack of "leadership" will doom the US to second rate status or worse. We are different, and yes bettter. Our country is not Europe or Africa, and most hardworking Americans do not want to be like them. Everyone on the planet wants to come here, except for rich spoiled actors who profit from the US but bad mouth it everywhere else. Maybe you should join them. Oh, did you see todays headline....http://www.reuters.com/ar...
Hitlary is already planning for 2012!
August 20, 2008
6:32 a.m.
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xjug1987 writes:
GoBHO, very Klassy of you: "McCains wife is a drug stealing crackhead. He is a manchurian candidate. There's not enough people as stupid as you to get him elected. Deal with it! Then get hooked on phonics!" Typical liberal baby namecalling. And picking on the guys wife too. What a loser just like all your candidates, past Presidents, Senators and Congressmen. Biden, what a joke, Chris Dodd, Barney - open wide for chunky, Hitlary the carpetbagger. Look at Reuters headline..... Deal with it Dip@#$%
August 20, 2008
7:23 a.m.
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xjug1987 writes:
I wasn't talking about Swiftboat. But if its lying about your past or taking credit where its not due: Hmmm... I invented the internet, the movie and book Love Story was written about me and Tipper, I did not have sexual relations with that woman, It depends on the definition of "is"? I've always been a Yankees fan (even though I grew up in Chicago), They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, - Oh, but I was wounded and won a couple purple hearts - Liar... Ted Kennedy's explaination of Chappaquiddick, Hillary and her overnight investment of $1000 which magically turned into $100k. Oh, also the generosity of the dishwashers in Chinatown, NY who make minimum wage, but somehow had enough to give her campaign $2500 donations? Bill Clintons Charlie Trie and others... should I go on?
August 20, 2008
7:29 a.m.
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CBJMM writes:
ya and when it comes time for republicans to get any wisdom they are calling on george bush what a joke
August 20, 2008
7:37 a.m.
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JonFraudCarry writes:
Look how fat al-Gore is! He is going to have trouble running when the riots start after She Who Must Be Obeyed steals the nomination from Uh-ah-um-oh-bama.
August 20, 2008
7:47 a.m.
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xjug1987 writes:
CBJMM the guy managed to beat your loser candidates. Algore and FrankenKerry.... talk about Jokes. Its on you! Carter, Mondull, Dukooky, Bill the Narcissit, and the rest. Comedy. And no you put up Barry the Community Organizer? Nice. Your parade of candidates and past Presidents are pathentic. Johnson and the "Great Society" whats that cost us? Even JFK the crippled skirt chaser and you call that "Camelot"? OK, so you'll bring up Nixon. Nixon achieved more that benefitted America than hurt it. He also had the guts to admit his mistakes and pay the price. Unlike that @## Bill Clinton. "Thats not my juice on her dress" What sad person! Pathetic!
August 20, 2008
7:54 a.m.
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xjug1987 writes:
Check out DickMorris this morning: Obama — the New Jimmy Carter. Barack Obama has displayed incredible weakness in dealing with the Clintons, and on foreign matters, he betrayed a lack of strength and resolve in standing up to Russia’s invasion of Georgia. This weakness underscores fears that Obama might be a latter-day Jimmy Carter. http://www.newsmax.com/morris/obama_n...
In these times, in any time, we need leadership. Barry ain't that leader. However, if it gets us to the next Ronald Reagan... hmmm
August 20, 2008
8:45 a.m.
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jgray123 writes:
Republicans have had nearly 8 years running the country.
So where did that get us?
We waged war in Iraq for fear of weapons that did not exist there.
North Korea actually built nuclear weapons while we waged a war on Iraq.
Iran is actually enriching uranium right now while our forces are exhausted from Iraq.
Bin Laden is still at large.
Energy prices have never been higher.
Oil companies have been hitting unprecedented profits each quarter.
The US Dollar has never been weaker.
Housing market has never been worse.
Our largest companies are or were on the verge of bankruptcy (GM, FORD, AMERICAN AIRLINES, DELTA)
Our largest banks are on the brink of bankruptcy.
Republicans started with a surplus and now we have the biggest defecit ever recorded.
America's reputation as a respectable world leader has been completely comprimised.
American hard-line conservatives must swallow their pride, stop name calling and realize, that things couldn't be much worse unless we do more of the same.
You must have the dignity to admit this, and support a new direction.
So no more smearing and no more animosity against the Democrats. You're lucky the Democrats who have watched our country rot from your mistakes don't have the same animosity that you still somehow direct at us.
The entire planet recognizes our leadership has been flawed, except for something like just under half of Americans.
Stop defending yourself, look in the mirror and realize you are our biggest problem.
August 20, 2008
9:26 a.m.
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tpiland writes:
OMG!!! You all need to grow up!! Stop the name calling...and forget about the past. Let's move into the future TOGETHER! If this country wants to ever be respected again by any other country in this world, we have to unite, and get over this nonsense of bickering. Everything is NOT black and white! This 2-party system has made this country a hateful, sad place to live.
August 20, 2008
9:27 a.m.
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xjug1987 writes:
jgray123:
Republicans have had nearly 8 years running the country-Didn't lead, and lost the congress.
We waged war in Iraq for fear of weapons that did not exist there -it was for oil the engine of progress, remove a tyrannt, enforce UN Charters, and eliminate WMD's that everyone on the planet thought were there.They are likely somewhere else.
North Korea actually built nuclear weapons while we waged a war on Iraq-Bill Clintons appeasment mess.
Iran is actually enriching uranium right now while our forces are exhausted from Iraq-The Europeans were at the forefront of negotiations.Look where that got us.
Bin Laden is still at large-Rats hide in holes. His day is coming, if it hasn't already.No one thought we'd find Sadam either!
Energy prices have never been higher-Thank you Democratic congress.Cut taxes on energy, improve the supply, there are answers but Democrats WANT high prices.
Oil companies have been hitting unprecedented profits each quarter-Measure profits to expenditures, and compare them to other companies in other industries.It levels out.Oh, why dont you and AlGore and all the other "Do as I say, not as I do" Demoncrats quit using gas.That way the supply goes up and he price comes down.Shut up and stay home.
The US Dollar has never been weaker-Not necessarily bad, it spurs investment in the US and our products are cheaper for export trade.
Housing market has never been worse-Thank the Democrats for expanding cheap more open credit to people that had no business buying homes. Every person that is being foreclosed on because of a flexible mortgage is responsible for signing a mortgage.
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August 20, 2008
9:27 a.m.
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xjug1987 writes:
Our largest companies are or were on the verge of bankruptcy (GM, FORD, AMERICAN AIRLINES, DELTA) - Granted GM & Ford have to get globally competitive with product, but they can't buy any positive media responses. Delta is pathetically run company as are most airlines. This isn't George Bush's fault.
Our largest banks are on the brink of bankruptcy - again, thank the Democrats.
Republicans started with a surplus and now we have the biggest defecit ever recorded - The surplus was on paper and it was because of the Republican Congress. Bill Clinton never submitted a budget that would create a surplus, but of course he'll take credit. He takes credit for all sorts things he had nothing to do with. And of course never fesses up for his bs.
America's reputation as a respectable world leader has been completely comprimised - We're America and we don't care that you don't like us. You're jealous and everyone knows it. Tell me why is it everyone on the planet wants to move here? D#$%S*&^
American hard-line conservatives must swallow their pride, stop name calling and realize, that things couldn't be much worse unless we do more of the same - No, you need to end your hate America first attitude and we must elect a strong leader. Barry aint that dude.
You must have the dignity to admit this, and support a new direction - So must you, and guess what, Barry ain't that.
So no more smearing and no more animosity against the Democrats. You're lucky the Democrats who have watched our country rot from your mistakes don't have the same animosity that you still somehow direct at us - Huh? Get a clue and a life!
The entire planet recognizes our leadership has been flawed, except for something like just under half of Americans - See above. We don't care that they don't like us.
Stop defending yourself, look in the mirror and realize you are our biggest problem - I reflect that comment to you.
August 20, 2008
9:28 a.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
Charles_B......... WTF are you talking about? Do you even read anything? Since when did Gore go to England for education?
joggle, I don't take much from wikipedia seriously since anyone can go in and edit information, whether it's true or not. The fact is that Al Gore's movie, "An Inconvenient Truth", has been banned in British schools since it's full of lies. You can't dispute the truth! Also, it doesn't matter if Clinton was offered a scholarship to Oxford, if you know the full story, it was Clinton's way of avoiding the draft. He was scared of fighting in Vietnam when many brave men and women went there without choice and sacrificed. Spin it however you want, but it's not going to change reality.
August 20, 2008
9:28 a.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
What a hypocrite.
"Obama told the Rev. Rick Warren that "we still don't abide by that basic precept of Matthew: that whatever you do for the least of my brothers, you do for me. That basic principle applies to poverty."
So how does Obama treat his own brother who is forced to live in abject poverty on 3 cents a day and sleeping in a 6 by 9 foot boarded up hut? Barak ignores him. Barak shuns him. Barak acts like his brother isn't even alive.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newst...
Obama has a net worth of more than $9 million dollars. He's gone on two vacations this summer to $1,000 a night resorts in the Carribean and Hawaii.
Meanwhile, his brother has to beg for food on the streets of a shanty town outside Nairobi.
Obama supporters need to apologize for supporting such a selfish hypocrite, that will waste $200 million to run a campaign to boost his image and ego.... but won't spend a dollar to help his own family.
August 20, 2008
9:45 a.m.
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xjug1987 writes:
The entire planet recognizes our leadership has been flawed, except for something like just under half of Americans - Where would you move in the world? Africa? The whole continent is killing eachother and is the biggest waste of people and resources on the planet. Europe where the taxes and regulations twart any real progress. Asia where corruption and disease is rampant, China, Russia, South America... where? Who cares what these people or countries think of us, they are overflowing with their own issues. We're at least a free country and succesful thats why they want to be here. Idiot! And if you look at the last couple of national elections, I'd say its a majority of Americans not just under 50%. Oh, and that would be approx 165M Americans which is more than the UK, Germany, Russia and most other countries. Get your facts straight. Also, since you hate America so much why don't you move, say to picturesque Sierra Leone where rebels have been raping and murdering people for the last decade. Their signature is to either a short sleeve or a long sleeve... that is chopping off arm at long or short. Hundreds or thousands of people have had this "Procedure" Perhaps on of the other corrupt African countries? Take your pick!
August 20, 2008
9:50 a.m.
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xjug1987 writes:
rickg19611 - Barry is like every other liberal; care for others using other people money. Socialism. Take the net worth of just 5 Liberal do gooder socialists: Kerry $880M, Clinton $110M, Kennedy $550M, Gore $90M, Edwards $40M - thats $1.67B. That will feed alot of Barrys friends. But no, guys that work their butts off and make $150k we're rich. Hypocritcal socialist criminals.
August 20, 2008
10:04 a.m.
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joggle writes:
Cwillyrun1: People can edit the content but they cannot edit the sources linked to by wikipedia (which I also read). In this case, the Guardian reported that the global warming critics lost their lawsuit and that the government could send out an Inconvenient Truth to the schools in the country, with a note to report 9 mistakes in the movie (out of literally hundreds of factual statements made in the movie). 9 out of hundreds is not what I would call 'full of lies', and none of those 9 are critical to the case of the movie. For crying out loud, read the Guardian's article (which is what I linked to, here it is again: http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2...). It's easy to dispute your claim because I use sources. Why don't you try sometime?
You also don't seem to know anything about the procedure to become an Oxford Scholar. Clinton could have easily have simply stayed at Georgetown University to stay out of the war if he had wanted to (any university student was exempt from the draft). However, he went through the application and interview process to become an Oxford Scholar and won. Only a handful of people from each region in the US win that scholarship each year, one of the most prestigious scholarships (if not the most) one can possibly earn.
August 20, 2008
10:16 a.m.
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davis_x_machina writes:
Some day perhaps if I live long enough the residents of lower wingnuttistan might possibly learn the difference between weather and climate.That might be asking a lot and, while it's a possibility, it certainly is well down on the probability chart.
The one convenient feature of the residents of lower wingnuttistan is that when they start breaking out the wingnuttia blathering points "socialist" this "socialist" that I know I needn't waste any more time paying attention to them as they've likely not had an original idea since the administration of St. Ronnie the forgetful if then.
August 20, 2008
10:23 a.m.
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Bilbo writes:
Larry, Moe, and Curly, the cream of the Democratic party.
August 20, 2008
10:31 a.m.
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ShamefulRepublican writes:
xjug1987 - Your comments embarass me. I sincerely hope that you take your radical and childish points of view into a 3rd party and leave the GOP for true Republicans (maybe you can vote for Ted Nugent for president). I hope that some day we have a 2nd coming of Ronnie Reagan, but unfortunately that is not Senator McCain.
Republican for Obama in '08
August 20, 2008
10:39 a.m.
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xjug1987 writes:
joggle - Defending Clinton, thats a stretch! And anyone who can read knows the Guardian is an absolute rag. Unbiased news reporting....ahh, not a chance. Sorry.
davis_x_machina - The facts speak for themselves. It is what it is and no revisionist history or attempts at redemption are needed. Clinton/Carter are failed Presidents in search of a Legacy. Why because they know they're failed and are desperate to be remembered favorably. RWR and GWB are content to let history reflect what they've accomplished. RWR was "the amicable dunce" to the media and pretty much the same for GWB. I agree, history will define RWR, GWB as well as those loser Demoncrats. Get a life.
August 20, 2008
10:45 a.m.
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xjug1987 writes:
ShamefulRepublican do not call yourself a Repub, because no real Repub would vote for Barry. My first vote was for RWR. I'm embarrassed by you. I'm not in bed with McCain, but he's our guy. Barry is dangerous. Get a clue.
August 20, 2008
10:48 a.m.
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joggle writes:
xjug1987: You need to try a different approach if you ever want to convince anybody of anything. With statements like:
"Stop defending yourself, look in the mirror and realize you are our biggest problem - I reflect that comment to you."
I'm curious what you're trying to accomplish. That's like telling somebody to simply stop being a Christian or something. People don't just stop defending themselves and it would be unbelievably stupid of them to do since that would just make them ditto-heads.
And the logic of your arguments are far, far away from being overwhelming. I'd go on but your total, utter lack of respect for the people you are arguing against gives me no reason to believe that you would take any counterargument seriously.
August 20, 2008
10:50 a.m.
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xjug1987 writes:
ShamefulRepublican - btw I'm having fun here.
August 20, 2008
10:51 a.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
Well, let's put it this way, Gore's movie has lies in it. And then there's distortions. Are you familiar with his claim that the Antarctic ice shelf is diminishing, and sure, one piece of it broke off, yet he didn't tell us in the movie that another part of the ice shelf has grown (science backs it up) to where there's basically the same area in total still in place? What about his claim the global temperature continues to rise, yet scientific data (which Gore is obviously no scientist) shows the global average temperature has dropped since the 90's, and has fluctuated over the last century? How many scientists are there that dispute Gore's claims? I'm not sure the exact number, but it's a large portion of the scientific community. How many scientists did Gore cite that now won't back up Gore's claims? Anyway, I can't believe much from someone who claims he invented the internet, which was actually created by the military as a means of easier communication between bases. Bet you didn't know that one either.
It doesn't matter what excuse Clinton gives for avoiding the draft, and you can bring up reasons for it, but in the end, he avoided being drafted because he didn't want to go to Vietnam. Answer this simple question, did Clinton fight in Vietnam? I remember an interview he gave to ABC in the early 90's where he states he didn't believe in the Vietnam war. I have no problem with anyone not believing in the Vietnam war, but where I have a problem is how people try to say so-and-so avoided the draft and they ignore someone in the party they worship doing the same thing.
August 20, 2008
10:54 a.m.
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xjug1987 writes:
Joggle: Stop defending yourself, look in the mirror and realize you are our biggest problem, was stated by jgray123: I said: I reflect that comment to you." meaning YOU look in the mirror.
Ease up, I'm having fun. My comments are every bit as even tempered as some of the comedy others are writing. Mine is even more thoughful Look at jgray123, I rebutted everything he had to say with facts. My $%(*& comments are actually true. These bums are morons. OK? Have fun and ease up. Cool.
August 20, 2008
10:56 a.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
xjug, the Guardian IS a rag, but why argue with the sheep? Taking much from it or another source like the NY Times is like believing everything in the National Enquirer. What I do know is that the British schools aren't allowed to show Gore's movie claiming it as factual.
August 20, 2008
11:14 a.m.
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xjug1987 writes:
Cwillyrun1 right on. Hey, look at the National Enquirer, they're the only ones that brought up Edwards and his "indiscretions". I haven't heard anyone bring up Edwards comments: "You know there are 2 America's", well, clearly there are 2 Edwards as well! What a creep.
August 20, 2008
11:54 a.m.
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jgray123 writes:
xjug1987, you didn't rebute anything, you simply reinforced my belief that you are the type of person that is crippling our nation.
This is not a game and it shouldn't be 'fun.' I'm guessing you're young and still aren't learning from your mistakes.
The Iraq war was justified on the basis that Saddam had or was developing WMDs, not for oil and for removing Saddam.
While we've been distracted with a war waged for the wrong reasons the biggest threats have evolved into much large problems (Iran and North Korea).
This is not because of Clinton or Europeans, this is because of the priorities of our White House.
Complex issues require complex solutions. Drilling, cutting taxes and military - as catchy as they sound - are not real solutions. They are propaganda that resonate with people like yourself.
The Democrats did not cause these problems I mentioned, they have not been in power until they gained momentum less than 2 years ago, but the damage has already been done.
I love America too much to let people like you destroy it any longer. I will probably take up public service to do my utmost to protect our wonderful country from dangerous and ignorant people like you.
August 20, 2008
12:07 p.m.
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joggle writes:
The Guardian is biased, but that does not invalidate their article. Do you think that since they are biased that they are wrong and that guy actually did win that lawsuit? Come on.
"Bet you didn't know that one either."
You don't know who you're talking to. That is one of the more famous misquotes of Al Gore. His original quote is:
"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system."
(see http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet... for details)
He did have a hand in passing some key technology bills back in the early 90s and was one of the first people in the Senate to really take an interest in the Internet.
As for Clinton avoiding the draft, I don't have a problem with anybody avoiding the draft for Vietnam. I have a problem with people attacking Kerry for his war record over Bush Jr though.
"How many scientists did Gore cite that now won't back up Gore's claims?"
I don't know, you tell me. I can come up with any question but if you don't have a source with the answer then what's the point of asking?
"What about his claim the global temperature continues to rise, yet scientific data (which Gore is obviously no scientist) shows the global average temperature has dropped since the 90's, and has fluctuated over the last century?"
According to what scientific evidence? Here are some links to actual scientific reports if you want to see the raw data:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/gra... -- graphs temperature change over time
http://www.nasa.gov/worldbook/global_... -- Nasa's official statement on global warming
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarcti... -- lists the effects of global warming on the Antartic. If you don't trust wikipedia, just follow the sources used in the article.
Please, tell me where you keep coming up with this stuff and I can be more specific about where your sources are wrong.
August 20, 2008
12:11 p.m.
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Savoy writes:
I wonder if the good folks of Plains, Georgia know their "Village Idiot" will be out of town next week (??).
August 20, 2008
12:27 p.m.
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Cwillyrun1 writes:
Sorry joggle, I have a life and I'm not sitting at my computer looking up everything I can to get some version to use to fit my logic. Maybe when I have the time, but I'll go with what I've learned over the years. I don't have to provide a link to everything anyway, it's a sign of desperation in losing a debate. Al Gore had nothing to do with the internet, despite his claims. Did you know the origins of the internet date back to the 1950's? Was Al Gore a politician back then? How did he take "the initiative in creating the Internet" back in the 50's?
PS- The effect of global warming on Antarctica.... must be contrary to factual evidence of an ice shelf that has grown on another part of Antarctica that doesn't seem to get mentioned except on stations like NatGeo and Discovery, but they have be lying, right? Did you know that Colorado used to be like the Amazon at one point in history? A rain forest......... it's no new surprise to know that the Earth constantly changes.
August 20, 2008
12:49 p.m.
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xjug1987 writes:
Jgray123: No, I did refute everything you said. I am not crippling our nation, you are. I am 46, a former US Marine, and pay way too much in taxes and am sick of watching the Govt waste my tax dollars. Oil was a component of the war, face it, it was. GWB was developing WMD’s and everyone on the planet thought that. They not there now, but what happened to them? I don’t know. We have not been distracted, but do not blame GWB. Clinton appeased NK on its Nuclear initiatives. The Europeans were dealing with Iran, and caved. GWB inherited this crap and has had to deal with it. IF you don’t like the way he’s handled it, that your opinion. It is not the priorities of our White House. Drilling is a solution as are Hydrogen fuel cells, Nuclear etc…. I am for all these technologies NOW. Drilling buys time until the others are available. The Democrats do not want drilling, so they are against the majority of the peoples wishes. These issues did not happen overnight. If Clinton had not vetoed ANWAR, we’d be enjoying OUR oil from that region, right now.
You love America, but let me ask you, have you put your life on the line for America? Have been willing to fight and die to defend my beliefs as well as your own? We I served in the Marines so do not lecture me. Public Service is not an honorable calling, it’s a Govt make work job. Being in the behemoth that is our Govt is nursing on the teet of the taxpayer. Go get a real job, earn $100k and have these fools call you rich, and pick your pocket. All the while they get pensions, free health care, housing allowances, connections that make them rich, etc…. There is no love of country by these people, Clinton, Barry, Pelosi, it’s all about power. You are the dangerous and completely ignorant fool and you and your type of thinking is the reason we’re broke.
August 20, 2008
1:15 p.m.
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xjug1987 writes:
Hey Joggle, Albore has done nothing since he took over his fathers Senate seat. He did nothing before being in Govt and has done nothing since. As for Clinton avoiding the draft, he is a coward just like Kerry. They have no problem telling everyone else what to do, confiscate my income, etc.. but then are cowards when they are called to really serve. At least the worthless Jimmy Carter served in the Navy. All three of these cowards, Albore, Bubba and FrankenKerry, are multimillionaires never having actually ever worked at a real job in their lives. Public Service....? I don't think so.
August 20, 2008
1:18 p.m.
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Trochilus writes:
joggle,
Why don't you read the NIPCC Study of the Heartland Institute published in March of this year, the scientific study seriously challenging some of the scientific underpinnings of the IPCC? At least read the synopsis, if you don't have the time to read the full study.
Go here: http://www.heartland.org/article.cfm?...
And, why not read about the brand new resolution from the American Physical Society. There is indeed a considerable scientific debate going on about the anthropomorphic basis of warming. Go here:
http://www.dailytech.com/Myth+of+Cons...
In addition, there is a good science policy blog called Prometheus with a few good recent posts by Roger Pielke, Jr. on the subject of the "hockey stick" controversy raised by Steve McIntyre at Climate Audit blog.
The Prometheus post on the "hocky stick" debate can be found here: http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/pro...
Climate Audit blog is found here: http://www.climateaudit.org/
You may recall that Steve McIntyre was the guy who caught Hansen in the basic mathematical blunder involved in the "hottest year" (1998) claim, which was at the core of Hansen's original claims. We now know that 1934 is back to the hottest year. Why don't you read all about it? Here:
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/2...
August 20, 2008
2:01 p.m.
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xjug1987 writes:
This isn't about Republicans, it’s about these clowns speaking at your Carnival, I mean convention. I am not sold out to McCain, but he’s our guy and I’ll support him. Not blindly, but I will support him. You are right about Barry, He “Talks”! He offers no solutions other than raising taxes. It’s totally love of Country on my end as America IS special. If anyone is supporting a candidate because of Party or Country its clearly the Democraps. Their candidate has no experience. I have more than he does having served in the Marines for 4 years. He’s an empty suit! At least Bill Clinton had been a Governor and had SOME Chief Executive experience? Kerry, Gore and the Barry Talk, but have done nothing of substance. Barry is style not substance. It’s like buying a car without an engine simply because it’s pretty, it’s just not going to get you very far. Ever heard of “the cult of personality?” That’s all Barry has. I would prefer a Governor as President because they have made Executive Decisions on a major scale. People say GWB is an idiot, thats just childish. The guy can fly a fighter jet, ran a multimillion dollar baseball team, has run a company, was elected to 2 consective terms in one of the largest states with an economy larger than most countries. (no one else has ever been elected to 2 consecutive terms as Governor of Texas) Oh, and then he was elected 2X as President. Whats Barry got to offer, he presents himself well! So does my 16 year old nephew!
August 20, 2008
2:15 p.m.
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jay writes:
"he’s our guy and I’ll support him."
that kind of willful ignorance is just disgusting.
you'll actively vote for a candidate whose platform has a proven track record of failure simply because he has an (R) after his name.
btw, trochi...i don't know if you're heard this or not....but The Deniers are the new Creationists....and just as irrelevant.
August 20, 2008
2:19 p.m.
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xjug1987 writes:
Oh, and Charles_B the Democraps are all about class warfare, with their "Two Americas" themes, and gotta tax the rich. I make $150k per year and I'm rich according to these clowns, but Edwards, Kerry, HilBill, Gore, Kennedy are all worth multi millions never having actually ever worked. Every nickel I earn comes from my efforts, as I'm self employed. You do the numbers on the taxes I pay. I am sick of non-producers picking my pocket. Talk about tearing down people? Are you nuts?
August 20, 2008
2:26 p.m.
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xjug1987 writes:
jay whats your deal. You agree with EVERYTHING Barry stands for? You're an ignorant $#@. I don't agree with everything any candidate says or does. Digusting is a strong word, you might like to look in the mirror. If you agree with Barry then you're a shallow non-thinker. A mindless robot. Oh, and Barry has proven track record of what... ? McCain has a track record, and its more liberal than I would prefer, which should make folk like you, smile? But I agree with much of his platform, certainly on Judges. Barry embarassed himself the other day talking trash about Clarence Thomas, whos shoes Barry isnt worth to shine. Pathetic!
August 20, 2008
2:28 p.m.
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spencerr writes:
I wonder if the three play wet biscuit together behind the stage in their spare time???
August 20, 2008
2:35 p.m.
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xjug1987 writes:
Barry said Clarence Thomas wasn't qualified. The arrogance!
August 20, 2008
2:44 p.m.
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xjug1987 writes:
Again this forum is about the morons that will speak at your convention. The surplus was as a result of the Repub Congress, not Billy Boy. I agree with you on spending and am angry about it. I have contacted my Senators. When you say "Modern Republicanism" of what are you speaking? Last 10 yrs, 50 yrs? I agree with you on spending. This is why the Repubs lost the congress, not that the Dems won it back. The Repubs caved and the lost their place. We agree, but the Govt is too big, too thirsty for $$ and the Libs want more. True conservatives want less govt. I don't "hate" anyone Chuck. Again, did you serve your country in the Military? We're you willing to risk everything for America? I did for people like you, and Barry and Teddy K, and HilBill, Edwards, etc... Don't lecture me on principles. Clearly you have none.
August 20, 2008
2:46 p.m.
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jay writes:
xjug, of course i don't agree with everything in obama's platform you talking monkey.
that said...i'm not going to vote for party over policy like you and some of the rest of the hairfarmers here are apparently prepared to do.
you know...i'm glad you brought up The Track Record, because i'm looking forward to getting your thoughts on some data.
as well established, mcsame's policies represent a third bush term...while obama's policies represent a third clinton term as his platform is nearly identical to hillary's...and thus also to bill's.
therefore...if we take a look at the track records of those two administrations we can also take a look at the track records of both obama's and mcsame's policy stances.
here is the data:
REAL GDP GROWTH1
4.09% Over Prior 8 Years
2.65% Over Prior 7 Years
NATIONAL DEBT
$5.7 Trillion
$9.2 Trillion
BUDGET DEFICIT/SURPLUS
$431 Billion Surplus over the Previous Three Budget Years
$734 Billion Deficit over the Previous Three Budget Years
JOBS CREATED
1.76 Million Jobs Per Year
369,000 Jobs Per Year
AMERICANS IN POVERTY
31.6 Million
36.5 Million
AMERICANS UNINSURED & CHANGE IN UNINSURED LEVEL
38 Million Uninsured
47 Million Uninsured
4.5 Million Less in 2 Years
8.5 Million More in 6 Years
ANNUAL TOTAL PREMIUM COST
$6,230 for Family Premium
$12,106 for Family Premium
MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME & CHANGE IN MEDIAN INCOME
$49,163
$48,023
$6,000 Increase in 8 Years
$1,100 Decrease in 7 Years
PRICE OF GAS
$1.39/Gallon
$4.07/Gallon
COST OF COLLEGE
$3,164 per year
$5,192 per year
PERSONAL SAVINGS RATE
+2.3%
-0.5%
CONSUMER CREDIT DEBT
$7.65 Trillion
$12.8 Trillion
U.S. TRADE DEFICIT
$380 Billion
$759 Billion
STRENGTH OF U.S. DOLLAR
1.07 Euros per Dollar
0.68 Euros Per Dollar
COMBAT READINESS
All Active Duty Army Divisions Were Rated At The Highest Readiness Levels
Not A Single Active Duty Or Reserve Brigade In The U.S. Considered “Fully Combat Ready.”
FOREIGN OIL DEPENDENCY
52.75% of U.S. Liquid Fuel Consumption is Imported
60.38% of U.S. Liquid Fuel Consumption is Imported
VIEW OF AMERICA ABROAD
PEW POLL OF TEN NATIONS
58.3% Viewed America Favorably
39.2% Viewed America Favorably
GREAT BRITAIN’S VIEW OF U.S.
83% Favorable
56% Favorable
INDONESIA’S VIEW OF U.S.
75% Favorable
30% Favorable
TURKEY’S VIEW OF U.S.
52% Favorable
12% Favorable
GERMANY’S VIEW OF U.S.
78% Favorable
37% Favorable
so....why don't you tell us, xjug...since you're interested in comparing the track records of our respective candidates' policy stances....which platform has been more successful for america?
this is neither a trick nor a rhetorical question.
August 20, 2008
3:18 p.m.
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rickg19611 writes:
Jay....... did you just use your fantasies to produce that 'data', or did you rely on someone else's fantasies?
Next time, try to use REAL data. It will help you avoid looking bad.
August 20, 2008
3:36 p.m.
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joggle writes:
xjug1987: This quote is perfect for you:
"If we will not increase in awareness, understanding, sympathy, we will stiffen into prejudice, ignorance that calls itself knowing, and hardness that is sure it knows human nature, and alas, only knows its shrunken self so well that it can recognize only such features in any other." -- Gerald Heard, 'The Third Morality', p 268. 1937
How do you know you are not the ignorant one? Do you actively research these topics, both pro and con? Do you listen to NPR as well as conservative talk radio? Do you browse conservative opinions on the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Post as well as liberal ones on the New York Times and the Guardian? Do you ever read books by the people you're demonizing? Do you trust scientists other than ones that support your viewpoint?
Cwillyrun1: "Al Gore had nothing to do with the internet, despite his claims."
It's in the Congressional record bud. I could look it up and send you a link but you would just ignore it so what's the point?
You made a false claim about England not showing An Inconvenient Truth in their classrooms and won't even acknowledge it because you don't even have time to read the TITLE of the article that states that the person trying to stop the government from showing it lost his lawsuit.
As for Al Gore having any effect on the Internet, from the scopes' article I linked to:
"[Al Gore] sponsored the 1988 National High-Performance Computer Act (which established a national computing plan and helped link universities and libraries via a shared network) and cosponsored the Information Infrastructure and Technology Act of 1992 (which opened the Internet to commercial traffic)."
If you doubt that, it's also recorded in the Congressional record, (easily) available online.
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