City readies warehouse for mass DNC arrests
New lockup has chain-link cages, stun-gun warnings
By Tillie Fong, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published August 13, 2008 at 12:05 a.m.
Some protesters arrested at the Democratic National Convention could be jailed in a city- owned warehouse, complete with metal cages and barbed wire, CBS4 News has learned.
Investigative reporter Rick Sallinger discovered the location and managed to get inside Tuesday for a look. The newly created lockup, in a warehouse northeast of Denver, contains dozens of metal cages made of chain-link fence material, topped by rolls of barbed wire.
Each of these fenced-in areas is about 15 feet by 15 feet, with a lock on the door.
A sign on the wall reads "Warning, electric stun devices used in this facility."
Sallinger showed video of the warehouse to Adam Jung of Tent State University and Zoe Williams of Code Pink, leaders of groups that plan to demonstrate during the convention. "This is very bare-bones and very reminiscent of a political prisoner camp or a concentration camp," Williams said.
"That's how you treat cattle," Jung siad. "You showed the sign where it said stun gun in use. And you just change the word gun for bolt, and it's a meat-processing plant."
The Denver Sheriff's Department would not discuss the facility. Instead, the sheriff's department said late Tuesday the mayor's office would be releasing a statement about it early next week.
"We're going to tell you about it," said Capt. Frank Gale, of the sheriff's department. "We're going to have the community and the media come out and view the place ."
John White, spokesman for Denver police, said Tuesday he could not comment until after he has a chance to consult with convention officials. The American Civil Liberties Union said it will ask the city of Denver how prisoners will get access to food and water, bathrooms, telephones and medical care, and if there will be a place to meet with attorneys.
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August 13, 2008
12:47 a.m.
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cn writes:
All of the Clinton functions were free and open to the public. Americans did not have to volunteer unless they just wanted to. The only people who would have ever been turned away were people who the fire marshalls might have said "there are too many people". The Clintons wanted every American to meet them and hear their message for free.
I volunteered for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton all of the time; however, that was only because I wanted to. When I wanted to hear both candidates locally, I was told by his campaign staff that I would have to volunteer in order to have a chance to have a "ticket". Give me a break. Why didn't he chose a larger venue locally as Hillary did? That way, everyone could hear their message.
Don't worry, we will pay if he is elected. Get ready to be looked down on. Are you having "buyer's remorse" yet for those of you who voted for this guy in the Primary? He is an egomaniac. He is not strong and that is why he married Michelle because she is a strong black woman. He can't even make up his mind from day to day. He likes a person or issue and then the very next day he changes his mind.
The only way that I would vote for him is if Hillary were VP, then I could start to try and like him again. However, he needs to ease up on the elitist crap. The Clintons are filthy rich; however, they treat everyone like human beings. They talk to you like you would talk to your own neighbor.
Go Hillary!!! It's not over....or go McCain (what's another 4 years). Sorry Hillary, I just can't stand the way that the media and some men treated women during the Primary; they laughed at us.
People magazine wrote that the Obama's have House Rules, one of which is having their daughters only pull up the sheets when making the bed (what a good message he would be sending to the troops as Commander and Cheif if he were to be elected.....they have to make their bedding perfect!). Plus, in the magazine, it stated that the Obama children did not receive Birthday or Christmas presents....that is crazy!
As far as that church, I would have gotten up during the middle of church and left; I can't believe he subjected his girls to that church for so long...he attended that church for 20 years and didn't get the hint that maybe something wasn't quite right?
Also, he is a big fan of rap music, which is notorious for downgrading women. That fits right in with how we were treated during the Primary. Don't get me wrong, I love R&B, that's all I listen to; however, it is nice music, not "ho" music.
Good luck BO and MO (that's what they like to call themselves, short for Barack Obama and Michelle Obama). I just like to call you Barry because I know the real you and the real you is not so bad, so get over this ego trip and come back down to earth and please have Hillary as your VP to be fair to both of us.
Thank you,
Christina
August 13, 2008
5:58 a.m.
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Mike846 writes:
Isn't it interesting that Hizzoner the Mayor has set up his own private Guantanamo for protesters? So much for the "touchy-feely", "inclusive" and "diverse" Democrat Party in Denver. I wonder if they'll provide guitars for the inmates so they can all sit around and sing "Kumbaya" until the convention is over and they are released. Mike
August 13, 2008
7:03 a.m.
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Hambone writes:
This is indeed scary.
August 13, 2008
7:16 a.m.
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sheepherder writes:
It's not for protestors, it's for criminals. There is nothing illegal about protesting, you cant be arrested for protesting. It is a place for the idiots who disrupt the lawful protests, and allows the lawful protests to continue without the morons in the crowd.
August 13, 2008
7:53 a.m.
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REALWORLD writes:
WHAT DO THE PROTESTERS WANT, A ROOM AT THE BROWN PALACE,
PLEASE RE-CREATE 68, LET THE COPS BEAT THE HELL OUT OF THEM
August 13, 2008
8:05 a.m.
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reddog writes:
Just like they do in China
August 13, 2008
8:12 a.m.
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DemsAreDumb writes:
I hope they lock them all up and throw away the key.
I agree MarineGrunt. The left are beyond dumb. They approach a new level of ignorance not seen in quite some time. Truly amazing.
August 13, 2008
8:19 a.m.
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bluecollarbytes writes:
The Cops Need to prepare for anything, including thousands of rioting malcontents.
August 13, 2008
8:27 a.m.
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youme writes:
I now call sheephearder a criminal, guess your going to the warehouse
August 13, 2008
8:37 a.m.
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sheepherder writes:
No youme...I don't plan on violating any laws. I havent been storing my pee/poo, nor have I been collecting bolts to shoot out of a slingshot. I have not purchased a mask to cover my face, and I will leave my hammer at home since I don't plan on doing any looting or damage to the City of Denver. Therefore, I don't have have to worry about the warehouse, that is for criminals. Personally, I think it's too good for them.
August 13, 2008
8:51 a.m.
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GunnyBob writes:
Gotta love the make-believe tough-guy wannabe throwbacks to the hippie days who start whining and peeing their little panties when they realize they might actually get arrested for breaking the law and violating the rights of others. Drama queens like Jung and Spagnuolo are no more than cartoon characters desperate for someone to see them on TV or in the papers. This is because they seek recognition and controversy to fill the void of their unaccomplished, shallow, pathetic lives. If the balloon does go up during the DNC, it will be amusing to watch these pedantic snivelers scatter like frightened rodents before the DPD.
August 13, 2008
9:25 a.m.
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Scott writes:
Back when Nucla would have the annual Prairie Rat shoot the sheriff would put the lib freaks that broke the law in a stock trailer (or at least he threatened to) before shipping them off to the county jail in Montrose for processing.
Naw, you really wouldn't want to put a bunch of unreconstructed hippies in a stock trailer. You'd NEVER get the smell out of it ;-)
Scott
August 13, 2008
9:32 a.m.
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temurlan writes:
Sounds like they borrowed a page from Arizona's Sheriff Joe.
Is it the right solution? Probably not.
Is it the only solution? Yes.
The protesters have nobody to blame but themselves. All of the planning for disruptions, websites advocating violence and negative publicity from pro-confrontational groups has forced Denver's hand.
You've made your cage. Now go lie in it.
August 13, 2008
9:37 a.m.
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watcher1 writes:
Yep. Clearly we're living in a fascist country. Thank you republicans and democrats.
August 13, 2008
9:38 a.m.
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ipotter writes:
Make no mistake, a vote for Obama is a vote for communism. This whole situation would exist if our democracy was not in jeopardy. I would like to think his gang of thugs would be accommodated in these facilities, but am not that optimistic. In any case, we cannot let him silence our voices... let freedom ring... in the streets, not on the chain link.
August 13, 2008
9:46 a.m.
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MTN_Frank writes:
DemsAreDumb writes:
I hope they lock them all up and throw away the key.
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Why do you hate America?
August 13, 2008
10 a.m.
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Duckster writes:
Yo, NOTAMERICAN.
Anyone who calls the lawful citizen authority of these democratic free nation "pigs" is certainly un-American in my eyes. If we're such a facist police state, why haven't you moved to a country that you like better?
August 13, 2008
10:04 a.m.
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Hambone writes:
Hey Scott,
Nucla is full of inbred hicks.
August 13, 2008
10:06 a.m.
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MTN_Frank writes:
sheepherder writes:
It's not for protestors, it's for criminals. There is nothing illegal about protesting, you cant be arrested for protesting. It is a place for the idiots who disrupt the lawful protests, and allows the lawful protests to continue without the morons in the crowd.
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BS Sheepie, must be nice to live in Fantasyland. I'll bet more than 75% of the humans that end up in this disgusting warehouse, that is an insult to the freedom loving people of Colorado, will end up being held until the convention is over then released without charge. Maybe the cops can smash some of their faces into the concrete before taking them in. That will teach them to try to participate in democracy without a big handful of lobby money. Sounds just like China to me.
When they sue and win for illegal detainment after the convention is over we can just open up our check books yet again. We will deserve to pay them too because we are cowards, afraid of free speech.
Don't believe me then just look up how they did it in NYC at the repub convention 2004.
I'll be there with my video camera please join me.
August 13, 2008
10:23 a.m.
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EnlightenedOne writes:
All those comparing Denver's actions with China, and fascists, etc. should take a look at this link from that other newspaper:
http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld...
Be glad you're in Denver and not Kashmir.
Protesters who obey the law need not concern themselves with the lockup facilities. Try to disrupt this city and the rest of us minding our own business and you deserve to be locked up.
August 13, 2008
10:39 a.m.
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pj48b writes:
sheepherder writes:
It's not for protestors, it's for criminals. There is nothing illegal about protesting, you cant be arrested for protesting. It is a place for the idiots who disrupt the lawful protests, and allows the lawful protests to continue without the morons in the crowd.
_____________________________________________________Finally,,, someone who sees the light.
August 13, 2008
10:59 a.m.
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GFC1 writes:
NOTAMERICAN-
Youre and absolute idiot with zero credibility. Shut that sh@t bag you call a mouth. You wont be the only one with a camera hero. Come join reality, there are going to be a bunch of you whiny tards that are going to get a first hand look at the world many of you are afraid to believe exists. Trust me, after this "showcase" of the democratic party is over, you will run back to Highlands Ranch (No offense Ranchers) and thank god you dont have to deal with reality anymore. Go back to your class at CU and try to think for yourself for once. Youre worse than FROWARD.
August 13, 2008
11:11 a.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
Anyone who winds up in the "warehouse" will be there because of their own CHOICES. Those who have been shirking responsibility will soon find themselves being held responsible.
Don't bite it if you can't chew it. Behave yourself and you wont wind up in the stockade - make some bad choices and we've got a cozy little pen for you.
August 13, 2008
11:20 a.m.
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Jeru1975 writes:
I love the fact that the DNC is here in the normally conservative Colorado (or ultra conservative if you're in Colorado Springs and further south). It makes for such great and immature blogs!!
You have liberals squaring off against conservatives, conservatives having to side with either anti-government/hippie protestors or liberals, and liberals trying to do the right thing and let everyone have their rights.
Everyone has such absurd comparisons or outrageous accusations that it really makes for a great read. However, doesn't do much for restoring faith in the American people or improving the way other countries view our country.
But carry on, everyone's got an opinion (including me) and we only care about ourselves, right?
Great stuff!!
August 13, 2008
11:33 a.m.
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sweetie writes:
REALWORLD writes:
WHAT DO THE PROTESTERS WANT?
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I would think that they want their voice's heard,this is America.
August 13, 2008
12:01 p.m.
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yaakovwatkins writes:
For the record:
Hickenlooper, Webb, and Pena (the last three mayors) are all Democrats. Ritter is a Democrat. The city council is mostly Democrat. US House District one (that includes Denver, has been voting Democratic solidly for decades.
That means that the politicians who managed the police department for decades have been chosen by Democrats. Just like in Chicago in 1968. This warehouse-jail is the city's. It's not the fed's.
So if people's rights are violated, we know who to blame.
August 13, 2008
12:07 p.m.
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denverrma writes:
Yes, thank you SHEEPHERDER (and others)...it is a lockup for criminals, NOT protesters. Protesting is not a crime and they wont be locked up. The facility is for the idiots who get out of control and have no other means of expressing themselves except through violence. If you dont want to spend the night in 'Loft Jail', keep yourself under control! Simple.
August 13, 2008
1:14 p.m.
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MTN_Frank writes:
RMAnderson writes:
...it is a lockup for criminals, NOT protesters. Protesting is not a crime and they wont be locked up. The facility is for the idiots who get out of control and have no other means of expressing themselves except through violence. If you dont want to spend the night in 'Loft Jail', keep yourself under control! Simple.
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You are simply wrong here. This is a away to get all protestors off the Denver streets so you can have your lovely convention without anyone noticing that some voiceless people disagree with the direction the country moving towards.
I said before ignorance is bliss. Here are the facts about the last time this was done, the 2004 Repub convention ( ya know, the one where fat rich middle aged women were disrespecting our troops with their Purple Heart bandaids) in that democratic city of NY.
"During the 2004 Republican National Convention, the city of New York witnessed some of the largest mass arrests in the city’s history. 1800 people were arrested and held in cages in NYC's Pier 57, and not released until the convention was over. Some were held for 4 or 5 days.
The New York Times reported the cases against the vast majority of the arrested have fallen apart. Of the nearly 1700 cases that have run their full course, 91 percent ended with charges dismissed or with a verdict of not guilty. In some 400 cases charges were dropped because video recordings emerged showing that the arrested had not committed a crime or that the charges against them could not be proved."
So please get off your butts and come down to the convention and bring your video equipment. Please prove me wrong. Freedom is not free!
August 13, 2008
1:29 p.m.
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LOUIE writes:
To NotAnAmericanSheep, thier "pigs", criminals, not to be trusted; that is until you need them and have to call for thier assistance, right? Where would you like them to lock them up at in case they run out of room at the jail, the Holiday Inn? Always love those who bash law enforcement, then call when they feel they've been wronged and treat them with respect. Who is the real two-faced one, not to be trusted? I couldn't be a cop, I'd burnout in a week and shove the siren and lights up some kiddie diddler, or wife beater's tailpipe. People love to critical of the law enforcement community, I think it's quite a hard job mopping up people's lives off the floor, or carrying a child's lifeless little body, or calling a parent and telling them thier teenager's been killed in a wreck, or picking idiots up like me after being shot by an armed robber. Yes, it's pretty easy to lay back and be critical of a job that most of us aren't qualified to do. Screw up you're in the cage at the warehouse, easy enough to understand. Oh, that bright light you might see at the end of the tunnel when thier finished because you decided to hit them? That just a street light your looking at before passing out, not to be confused with Heaven by any means. Behave, life is fine, destroy property, assault others, hey, you were told up front they have a cage for you.
August 13, 2008
2:02 p.m.
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wow writes:
How is it possible to live in this city, care about it, and read the news without having long ago come to the conclusion that this ware house is exactly what will be needed?
Half (or more) of the people protesting aren't even from here. They won't be thinking about the damage they inflict, or the violence they cause to the peole who do have to deal with it when it's all over.
Some one, Marine, I think, once posted an estimate of the people who might need to be detained for breaking the law during the DNC.
It was a very tiny percentage of the number of people expected to be in town for the event, and it was a number so big, that there's no way our jails could handle it.
This is just common sense.
And to say that the protesters should be given the benefit of the doubt...are you for real? Many have clearly stated that they plan to intentionally disrupt peaceful protest.
And as for this being scary, and UnAmerican....The Boyscouts of America motto is "Always be Prepared".
August 13, 2008
2:04 p.m.
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EnlightenedOne writes:
yaakovwatkins writes:
"So if people's rights are violated, we know who to blame."
yaakov: What about the rights of the non-protestors who have to work in downtown Denver? Don't we have a right to get to and from work without being harrassed by the likes of "Recreate '68"?
August 13, 2008
2:39 p.m.
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timeandagain writes:
An idea:
Fill it up with the law-breaking protesters, take the 1 pound of cyanide from the Burnsley Hotel and blow it through the building's mechanical system. Check back in a few days!
Just a thought...
August 13, 2008
2:56 p.m.
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temurlan writes:
Why couldn't the DNC devote an additional day or at least some time for the delegates inside the center to hear from representatives of each of the protest groups? Each rep gets 15 minutes to voice their issues.
So easy and it would clear a lot of the "free speech" issues right off the table.
August 13, 2008
3:05 p.m.
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tonyindenver writes:
to the people who posted comments today, your comments are funny in some cases ie marine grunt
August 13, 2008
3:12 p.m.
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mpdamon writes:
This is only a preview of what will happen all over America if Obama is elected. Dissent will become a felony and civil protest, a thing of the past. I find it disheartening that the US is now changing positions with Russia. As they become more democratic we become less so.
August 13, 2008
3:12 p.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Toenee, not even, the republicans will start off with a glass of geritol, followed by metamucil, and if the have enough energy left do a polka.
August 13, 2008
3:34 p.m.
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airbornebigfoot writes:
some free advice from a native (ex)coloradoan:
RUN! Run for your lives!
The police state of George Orwells "1984" has arrived!
Did they suspend the Constitution of the United States for this particular DNC?
In My Not so Humble Opinion,
Barack Hussein Obama is a closet muslim radical who has some evil plans for this country IF he is elected to this nations highest office.
Lets see, His natural father was a radical muslim.
His step father was a radical muslim.
what kind of values do you think he harbors towards a free and open America?
obviously, this warehousing and incarceration of demonstrators and protestors should give you a clue as to the intentions of the Democratic party.
August 13, 2008
3:35 p.m.
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GILPINMAN writes:
Personaly I think the cage idea is GREAT! I saw it on the news last night and it looks perfect, very fitting for the idiots it was built for. My only problem is that it is actualy needed. I still don't realy understand what the hell they are protesting anyway. If they are all liberals why are they not protesting the republican convention, were they afraid they might get what they deserve? personaly I would bring my own tear gas, but for the protesters.
August 13, 2008
3:39 p.m.
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Vtwinman writes:
There is nothing wrong with being prepared with additional cells to hold those who choose to break the law,We all know what happened at the WTO in Seattle and elsewhere, those who voluntarily break laws deserve to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, which will not happen due to the burden it would put on the court. As far as having your voice heard, I still believe it's legal to write your congressman.
August 13, 2008
4:19 p.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
Next thing you know, the protesters will be given special " showers "
Watch for it....
August 13, 2008
4:25 p.m.
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saveferris writes:
Why is it that people think the protesters hate America? What they hate is the direction that this country we all love is heading in. The Democrats promised change and were elected for that reason. That is why people are protesting the DNC. They haven't changed anything. I hate that there is a group called Recreate 68 because that brings up images of riots and violence. That's not what the majority of the people who will be there to protest want. Should they lock up people who participate in violence? Absolutely. But to assume that most people are protesting to cause problems and incite riots is ridiculous.
August 13, 2008
5:04 p.m.
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sheepherder writes:
saveferris...AGREED! LAWFUL protesting is the American way. That right is really being protected for the DNC. Just don't break laws to do it, and you will be fine!
NOTANAMERICANSHEEP...brother, I know you think you are a worlf in sheeps clothing...take off the fur and let he herd you! You are so far off base you sound like a fool. ONLY LAW VIOLATORS WILL BE ARRESTED! It's not a way to get protestors off the streets, protestors are welcome! NOT UNLAWFUL PROTESTS! You really need to open your eyes, you are the biggest sheep on this site!
August 13, 2008
5:08 p.m.
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Keith43 writes:
We are fast becoming a "police state". The unfortunate thing is that most americans aren't aware of it because they get their news (and accept it as gospel) only from mainstream media sources; all of which, have the same agenda. Their common goal is a New World Order (NWO). This has been the case for longer than we can realize. Fortunately, we have other news sources through the internet that report the rising police brutality. Even as we speak, the internet is in jeopardy, because they want to control every aspect of our lives. I'll bet you haven't read about that either! Now, I just know many of you (especially those of you who don't believe it's our constitutional right to protest) are ready to pounce on me and simply dismiss me as a conspiracy theorist. But, before you do, do your research. There's infowars.com, prisonplanet.com, worldnetdaily.com, just for starters. Go there and surf around a little. If you simply dismiss me, then it will be obvious that you're afraid of knowing the whole truth; which means, you'll never find it - and that's what the elites want! Wake up America!
August 13, 2008
5:10 p.m.
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HopiMedicineMan writes:
Surrounding the Pepsi Center will be wild crazies screaming uncontrollably for the breakdown of law and order in America, while inside the Pepsi Center will be a hand-picked, well organized crowd of ... wild crazies screaming uncontrollably for the breakdown of law and order in America.
August 13, 2008
5:11 p.m.
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sheepherder writes:
police state? huh? Am I missing something here? I do whatever the heck I want to do everyday without government interference, unless I break a law. What police state? PLeeeaaseeee!
August 13, 2008
5:15 p.m.
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4gColoNative writes:
Re: The info provided about 2004 RNC mass arrests and outcomes.
- Thanks ... I'm too lazy to verify, so will take it as the truth. I don't really doubt it.
So ... there's "collateral damage" when it comes to protesters being rounded up when the melee starts. Also not a surprise.
To me, the answer is that protesters who intend on being law-abiding need to steer clear of the idiots and need to immediately remove themselves from the scene if things go wrong. But I bet many won't. They themselves won't break the law but they'll want to hang around and see/photograph what the "pigs" do with the lawbreakers. Thereby putting themselves at risk for injury or arrest. Their choice.
It's unreasonable to expect perfect triage by the police when the stuff hits the fan.
August 13, 2008
5:18 p.m.
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18Zwife writes:
Just change the name from warehouse to whorehouse and the idiot protesters will think they’re at a party.
August 13, 2008
5:22 p.m.
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sheepherder writes:
Colonative....the "pig" statement was ignorant, but I agree with everything else. Just to "learn ya"...the trouble makers get in the middle of the crowd to throw their pee/poo, rocks, bottles...knowing the cops have to work at getting to them. The innocent LAWFUL protestors in the front get moved out of the way so the coppers can get the morons who have run off the cowards they are. In the end, the LAWFUL protestors get run over and their message is lost because of the jack#@$ that caused the trouble.
August 13, 2008
5:24 p.m.
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sheepherder writes:
Oh yea, and the cops look like jerks for trying to arrest the morons...just go to a R68 meeting, they tell you how to do it. Or an anarchist meeting...
August 13, 2008
5:38 p.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
While The DPD are setting up facilities, there are a couple of train sidings with empty box cars that they can use.....just post armed guards on top of them......
And if my sarcasm is not noticed, replace the word PROTESTER with the word JEW and things will become more clear.
Because this behavior is becoming a bit clearer if you know your history....the world has seen it before..
August 13, 2008
5:48 p.m.
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sheepherder writes:
Punnisher, once again you don't get it! We are a nation of laws! Nowhere in the Bill of Rights does it state, "This Country Shall be a Free For All Where All Morons May Do Whatever, Whenever They Shall So Please."
I like some of your posts...but this one...MORONIC!
August 13, 2008
6 p.m.
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chobbes writes:
If you fail to plan, you plan to fail. Some of you obviously think that you have freedom of speech, thus the freedom to protest. However, if you invade someone elses freedoms with your speech or protest and break the law doing it, you cease being a protester and you become a criminal.
August 13, 2008
6:09 p.m.
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h8r writes:
This is going to be great-first a freedom cage, and now a freedom warehouse! And we have people who are arguing for more police powers and gassing of protesters! Awesome!
This government is so out of control it's exciting! 20 more years, tops, and it's all over for two party democracy. Government repression, economic downturn, shrinking wages-I feel like I'm living right before history is about to be made again.
Too bad things are going to get much worse before people demand they get better. This police riot is probably going to look pretty mild after Obummer gets into office and get zilch done, our economy gets worse, and our people get poorer and dumber.
Of course, most of you who are sitting in a home you own using a computer don't really know how bad it is out there, so you want to protect the status quo. The people who work for Labor Ready or Wally World are probably still at work and will be too tired to engage in high minded arguments about civil rights and protest...
August 13, 2008
6:15 p.m.
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h8r writes:
ssqured
Awesome!!! Those of you who can barely afford to drive to your lousy job, you need to run for office and change the system from within! Good luck raising the money for your campaign!
Even better, those of you who can't afford health insurance, why don't you show up and cast your electronic ballot. We promise to count it!
Personally, I am going to write my congressperson and or senator and say "Dear rich white person, why haven't you done anything for me for the past 29 years? Love, some guy you don't care about."
After that, I am going to write to Hickenlooper!
Dear Rich Mayor:
Please do not make it illegal for me to even be on the streets of Denver the last week in August. I know you don't want me to show up, and will do your best to make my very presence illegal, but please don't do that. I want my freedoms.
Love,
Poor Person
August 13, 2008
6:24 p.m.
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h8r writes:
allseasonsfan
If you listen very very closely, you can hear the Rev. Doctor Martin Luther King Jr. rolling over in his grave.
This seems to be the logic of the "let's beat protestors because they are 'others:'"
If something is legal, it is good. If something is illegal, it is bad. If something is bad, it should be prohibited. Prohibiting illegal things from happening is good, because illegal things are bad. All means of prohibition are good, because they stop bad things from happening.
By this logic, beating civil rights protesters was good because they were acting in a way that was proclaimed to be illegal. Their illegal actions were bad, by definition, and the police were justified in prohibiting these terrible acts of disobedience by any means.
Of course, when you buy into the thinking that some outside force is descending on denver to make trouble, it takes the uncertainty out of the thinking, and it is easy to justify state violence.
THEY were downtown, and you know what THEY were there for. THOSE people are troublemakers, and THEY get what THEY get.
August 13, 2008
6:32 p.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
" sheepherder writes:
Punnisher, once again you don't get it! We are a nation of laws! Nowhere in the Bill of Rights does it state, "This Country Shall be a Free For All Where All Morons May Do Whatever, Whenever They Shall So Please."
I like some of your posts...but this one...MORONIC! "
Wassamatter, don't like HISTORY? You are seeing it unfold before your very eyes....
The same situation is being repeated in this day and age. Only the names have been changed.
Remember, everything that was done before was LEGAL TOO.
Another constitution was nullified then as well.
The same words ( granted, in a different language, Ich Spreche Deutsch ) and the same actions......
We even have people believing that this person is going to lead us out of the SAME TYPE OF MESS in this country.....
I will add no more parallels. Sheep will not listen. Smart people know their history.
" Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it "
-Santayana
My R/L SIG. It's becoming frightening REALITY every day.
Next chapter will be a certain type of event.
I'm watching for it.
August 13, 2008
6:35 p.m.
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wow writes:
"replace the word PROTESTER with the word JEW and things will become more clear"
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Oh my, the melodrama is a bit thick today.
What kind of doofus doesn't know the difference between a "protester" and a "rioter".
The same kind of doofus that doesn't know the difference between law enforcement and ethnic cleansing.
Doubtless you will see the inside of one of those cages.
What a sad little victim you will be.
August 13, 2008
7:05 p.m.
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h8r writes:
ssqured
Who am I going to vote for, some other D or R? The two party system doesn't work for the people, it hasn't worked for the people, and that's why it is still in place. The system is the problem, not the solution. I know, we have to come up with our own solutions, but that's not the point at the DNC.
The issue here is what BOTH parties have done. The USAPATRIOT act is a pretty big example, the new FISA bill is another, need I mention Operation: Iraqi Freedom?
This is the point of the protests-both parties are rotten to the core and we are putting them on notice: we're not going to sit idly while they pass more and more laws that restrict what we can say, what we can do, and where we can do it.
In the city of SF, the FEDERAL government can still declare you an enemy combatant and lock you away forever. In Denver, the police are preparing their beat down moves so they can clear the streets.
PS why do you assume I am not involved in gov't
August 13, 2008
7:23 p.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Punnisher, the holocaust jew and today's protesters is one idiotic comparision. One has is standing up in the face of government making demands and threatening violence, the other was ruthlessly hunted and slain like sheep to slaughter, in places like the Warsaw Ghetto. You're dumber than dirt pal, irreverant as well, and to ignorant to warrant further consideration of anyones time to respond too.
August 13, 2008
7:27 p.m.
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easy writes:
"Dems".... there you go again ... exploiting your intellectual weaknesses for all to see. Freaking hilarious.
"The left are beyond dumb. They approach a new level of ignorance not seen in quite some time. Truly amazing."
There's no way you can say that with a straight face after the last 8 years. Oh, wait, have you been in a coma? Wow, sorry about that. Clearly being mentally incapacitated is the only way you can make this kind of statement after the shambles your party has put America in. So, um, again, sorry about not being sensitive to your condition and best of luck on your recovery. I can tell your cognitive reasoning skills are still way out of wack - with any luck you'll get better soon.
Something to read up on since you've been "out of it" for awhile ... just Google "Bush, economy" or "Bush, war" or "Bush, oil profiteer" or "Bush, habeas corpus" or "End of American Civil Liberties" or "Bush..." well you can add just about anything. Even his own party thinks he's
Get well soon!
August 13, 2008
8:04 p.m.
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The_Punnisher writes:
“There are none so blind as those, that will not see”
-Proverbs
August 13, 2008
8:51 p.m.
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wow writes:
ssqured,
You said it all. But I will add, again, that a huge number of people who will be protesting won't have to worry about their property, or their jobs, or their children in all the chaos. They don't live here.
I was raised to understand that when you visit another city, you are to be on your best behavior, so as not to embarrass your home city, your organization and yourself.
I'm fairly certain that etiquette will not be observed.
Time grows short and I wonder if any fellow parents of students at East High, or kids in the schools nearest Civic Center Park are contemplating keeping the kids home.
Won't do me much good, but I'm curious.
I live spitting/contact high distance from City Park.
August 13, 2008
8:52 p.m.
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MTN_Frank writes:
The problem is that the locations to protest are in some cage more than 1/4 mile away from the Pepsi Center where the protests are not seen nor heard by the delegates or the press or anyone else. Hell why not have the "protest pen" be out in some corn field in Weld Co, you will get the same number of people hearing them. People have free speech EVERYWHERE (noting the obvious yelling fire in a theater restriction). The "protest pen" is what is illegal.
Don't you see how it will go. The city says "you are free to protest in your pen where no one can see you" the protesters say "WTF I came all this way and no one can even see or hear me" so they move to where they can be seen. Police say "get back in your pen", protestors say no we are here to have our voices heard peacefully and out come the clubs and tasers and off to the warehouse jail cages.
Do you think our ancestors at Lexington in 1775 would have said " Yes King George sir we will only protest taxation without representation in your protest pen". Hell our ancestor had the Boston Tea Party and we consider those guys to be heros. People like gunny bob, wow, sheepie, and others would have been cheering on the British arrest of our founding fathers for protesting.
August 13, 2008
9:06 p.m.
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LOUIE writes:
H8R, there is a grain of truth in your words, governments are still quite Machavellian in many ways. What about the rights of those who are damaged physically by loss of property as a direct result of the actions of the protester, doesn't government have an obligation to protect thier rights as well as the rights of protester? Shouldn't government be prepared in the event one crosses over to damage the rights of the other? The government stands for all people's rights. We have the right to protest, the people have a right to public safety, the government has the job of protecting both. How should the government prepare when one make vieled threats to damage the other? Wait and see is no good, preparation is a matter of public safety. Thus government spends the people money making sure both are safe from harm. Everyone has rights to liberty, as well as to safely exercise thier rights as long as they don't interfere with the safety of others. The balance is extremely difficult to achieve, that's why courts rule, thier rule can be appealled, (which the protesters declined to do), that appeal can go all the way to the highest court in the land. Society is structured in a system of order as is the desire of the majority who empower it. We give the individual protected rights as well. It's pretty fair when looking globally at other nations whose military operates within thier boarder to insure domestic stability. I for one am quite pleased with the American system of governance, not perfect, not always fair, but we strive for these very ideals even though we may fail at times.
August 13, 2008
9:19 p.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Boston Tea party America was throwing off the yoke of a foriegn colonial power. This is an internal struggle within a society where both parties agree to established rights, laws of governance, and resolution by courts of law by the consent of the governed. Both are equally represented as our law requires. A lot different. England ruled over nations without the consent of those being governed. The portugese, long before the english dominance as a colonial power, were the most ruthless of all colonial masters in history as far as I understand history; just a little sidebar, glad we had the english as our colonial masters.
August 13, 2008
9:50 p.m.
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BillORights writes:
heil hittler, heil cheney!
while you support the worst performing administration in this countrys history, economically, politically, ethically and militarily,
(good job of bush making that basketball game just like putin thought he would, reminicent of playing with kindergardners when 911 happened)
the worst of the demonstrators will be the fake protestors- agent provacateurs,
who threw feces back in 68? taxpayer funded fake yippies via the j edger hoover infiltrators.
i expect that outrageous acts will occur by those who pretend to be protestors in order to achieve mass arrest in order to get dissentors into the information database system network.
i expect this paper to play along with the disinformation.
i expect you to believe it.
like cattle
like germans in 1938
August 13, 2008
9:52 p.m.
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MTN_Frank writes:
Louie,
I'm not so sure I agree with your view point regarding the Tea Party. The tea-partiers were British subjects, either coming from Britain, or born of British parents living in North America. They were subjects of Britain which was occupying North America, they were not Native Americans, foreigners to Britain. Therefore I would argue that the tea party in 1775 was an internal British struggle, no different than if Manchester, UK had commited the Tea party. The fact that it eventually led to the throwing off the yoke of King George is a different matter. It would be like white people living Alaska trying to secede from the US by dumping oil into the ocean.
If the Native Americans had been the people to throw the tea into the Boston Harbor then it would have been as you say "throwing off the yoke of a foriegn colonial power". In fact they dressed as Native Americans, didn't they?
August 14, 2008
12:43 a.m.
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wow writes:
"People like gunny bob, wow, sheepie, and others would have been cheering on the British arrest of our founding fathers for protesting."
MNT Frank, please don't put words in my mouth. I never said I thought the protest pen was in a good place, or that it was a good idea to begin with.
In fact, the protest pen @ the Pepsi Center is a topic that I was very vocally opposed to, if I recall. Don't remember you chiming in on that one, Frank.
This topic, the housing of people who are arrested, is different.
There will be protests and demonstrations all over the city, in parks that are spitting distance from my home and my kids' schools. My concern that police will need to intervene at these locations is justified by the spoiled, crybaby rantings of Jeff Spagnullo(sp?) and others who think that this will be a good opportunity to create anger, chaos and disorder in my city.
You have sooo missed the point. You need to pay attention.
I'll likely be at some of these demonstrations my self, but I won't wind up in one of those DPD cages, because I am not a scum bag.
As a thinking adult, I don't need to throw my waste material to get attention.
In the future, do not try to shame someone you don't know, about things you clearly haven't any knowledge of.
August 14, 2008
1:45 a.m.
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splashy writes:
Even convicted criminals have a place to get water and eliminate wastes. These cattle pens have nothing. What about people that need to go to the restroom often? Or those that get dehydrated easily?
Many of the protesters are going to be older people, since I'm sure that Clinton supporters will be labeled as protesters by the Obama crowd. They will not be well taken care of in these pens.
It's atrocious to hold people that may be exercising their right to free speech like this.
August 14, 2008
2:30 a.m.
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splashy writes:
Another thing. I am always surprised at how people don't know that most of the time any violence is caused by those that want the protesters arrested, not the protesters themselves.
Just like the video I saw where there were "protesters" with masks on and bricks in their hands being threatening to the police in uniforms, and the REAL protesters noticed that the fake ones with masks had the same shoes as the police had. The fake ones were there to start the violence, so the police would have an excuse to arrest families and beat people. It was a major embarrassment to the police, the fake protesters were "arrested" and the rest of the protest went peacefully.
So, whenever you hear about "violent protesters" please stop to think that there is a real possibility that they were fake ones there to start things so the authorities can arrest the rest of the people without it looking as though there is no reason. In reality, the protesters are in far more danger than any of the police or other people. If you look at the history, they die or are injured many times more often than any police or other authorities are. They really are brave to stand up for our rights.
August 14, 2008
6:11 a.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Frank, what if we reverse the situation and say 100,000 gun toting, died in the wool, my country right or wrong patriotic fanatics decided to go to the DNC to mow down the anti-government protesters since they are the majority in America. What then is the governments responsibility and whom must they now protect. If this threat was made by the million member strong NRA don't you think government should put thier house in order and be prepared? See the protesters are but a small minority opinion threatening the majority relying on the majority to observe the law and have restraint. 50,000, 100,000, 250, 000, is a real minority of opinion in a land of over 250 million Americans. Whats coming to Denver may seem large, and it is, but it's in no way the majority which choose to follow the law. Even Spagnoodles uses the law of the land when appearing in court to pleed his arguement, thus by his voluntary appearenc, he has consented to be governed by the law. He's not throwing off a government yoke, he's using the government knowing it must protect his rights also. Especially if the a larger group was to threaten his freedoms. Spagnoodles is actually reliant upon the system he is so critical of. Big difference when your protesting knowing you will do whatever you desire reling on the majority to remain law abiding and not return hostile confrontation. Spagnoodles will be squaring of with law enforcement, not America. The majority will rely on law enforcement to not only protect his rights, but thiers also. Consent of the governed is the difference. Fact that Spagnoodles hire an attorney, fought in federal court is an exemplar of jis consent to be governed. A true revolutionary like weatherman's, SLA, and others do not fight thier case in courts of law, they arm and fight to overthrow. Spagnoodles is an opportunist, who relys on the law, challenges the law, and knows the majority will follow the law regardless of his actions. Not the Boston Tea Party, they defied the King, and didn't bother to argue the point. Spagnoodles is as American as the majority, his rights are protected, so are the majorities. Spagnoodles affirmed that loyalty to our government when he chose to air his grievance in the legal system of our nation's courts. Spagnoodle's followers just follow Spagnoodle and his political agenda. So like cattle they get herded into pens as humanly as possible, never realizing thier leader is really reliant on the government he protests. It's foolish really. I was locked up with Cuban dissidents, they didn't go through Castro's legal system, they declared thier desire to overthrow Castro. Does that make my opinion a little clearer MTN_FRANK? Consent of the governed is the issue. Spagnoodles is an American, not a revolutionary.
August 14, 2008
10:52 a.m.
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mabamford writes:
for the uneducated and the uneducable
high school dropout can't find work so he joins the Marines to Semper Fi
and collect some money.
High school dropout is sent to Paris Island to be all he can be. He is trained to kill women and children and a occasional freedom fighter trying to protect his wife from being raped by Mr Semper Fi.
High school dropout ships out to invade Iraq for USEmpire and US oil companies.
American oil companies are struggling with the problem of Peak Oil.
Peak oil means we no longer have a infinite supply of oil.Maybe you saw the documentary film END OF SUBURBIA see
http://www.endofsuburbia.com/previews...
high school drop out didn't because his high school teachers were too busy DUMBING him down
see
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/bookst...
High School dropout manges to kill a couple hundred women and children while throwing in a occasional rape. Mr Sempi Fi has now been transformed into Mr serial killer.
Mr high school dropout/serial killer now begins to experience extreme depression from his actions. Mental Wealth workers call it Post Traumatic
Strees Syndrome. But the only people who experience traumatic stress in Iraq are the Iraqi women being raped by Semper Fi's before they shot and killed them.
Good thing serial killer/high school dropout has never read the research
of Ian Stevenson MD whose groundbreaking study of 300 children who remember previous lives provides the science for the existence of reincarnation. see
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main....
What this means for high school dropout is that he will be coming back
again for another life . Of course so will the people he murdered , so for practical purposes he has another couple hundred lives he has to live getting "wacked" by the life forms he semper fi'd.
The difference this time is the raped and murdered have had some time to ponder while they wait for him to pass over, how they will "do" Mr Semper Fi- the high school drop out serial killer.
Mr high school dropout comes back from Iraq out of work unless he re-enlists. There are not to many job openings for serial killers until he lands a job working with his be all you can be buddies at the local police department. see
http://nodonut.egoweblog.com/blog/bad...
August 14, 2008
11:30 a.m.
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chobbes writes:
h8r - I can sometimes understand how people don't listen to others because they are in their own thought process, thus distracted. BUT WRITTEN WORD? Give me a break. You obviously have an agenda. Since when would MLK not have a problem with violent protests and destructive behavior? Read my post you idiot. You cannot practice your personal civil rights if they infringe upon the civil rights of others! The end does not justify the means in this case.
Perhaps you should just hate yourself and leave the rest of us alone.
August 14, 2008
12:01 p.m.
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MTN_Frank writes:
wow writes:
"People like gunny bob, wow, sheepie, and others would have been cheering on the British arrest of our founding fathers for protesting."
MNT Frank, please don't put words in my mouth. I never said I thought the protest pen was in a good place, or that it was a good idea to begin with.
In fact, the protest pen @ the Pepsi Center is a topic that I was very vocally opposed to, if I recall. Don't remember you chiming in on that one, Frank.
This topic, the housing of people who are arrested, is different.
There will be protests and demonstrations all over the city, in parks that are spitting distance from my home and my kids' schools. My concern that police will need to intervene at these locations is justified by the spoiled, crybaby rantings of Jeff Spagnullo(sp?) and others who think that this will be a good opportunity to create anger, chaos and disorder in my city.
You have sooo missed the point. You need to pay attention.
I'll likely be at some of these demonstrations my self, but I won't wind up in one of those DPD cages, because I am not a scum bag.
As a thinking adult, I don't need to throw my waste material to get attention.
In the future, do not try to shame someone you don't know, about things you clearly haven't any knowledge of.
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Dear Mr/Ms Wow,
I don't always have time to read the RockyMtn News or participate in the blogs. I appreciate the fact that you are opposed to the protest pens. It sounds like you and I would get along well.
It also sounds like you need to quit reading/watching the mainstream press. Their propaganda seems to have whipped you into a frenzy of fear. No one is going to be throwing around feces or urine, where does that even come from?? Spagnullo(sp?) is one loud mouthed one person. Hell I bet he is plant to discredit peaceful protest. Go out and meet the people coming from other places, invite them over for a beer. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity to participate in the power of the people don't be afraid of it.
You ended up on my list up there because your comments on THIS blog (wow writes "this ware house is exactly what will be needed"). Look you, through your mayor, invited the DNC to come here. People protesting, through free speech, for what they want is what democracy is. We have been waiting (calling writing , it doesn't do any good) since 2006 for the dems do grow a pair and they haven't, so we need to show them ,peacefully, what we want.
I still say that based on the weight of your comments you would have cheered on the arrest of the Boston Tea Partiers, that protest destroyed property, didn't it?
August 14, 2008
3:18 p.m.
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sheepherder writes:
I think splashy is Glenn and h8r is Tom of R68...starting their "smear tactics" now on the web.
August 14, 2008
6:02 p.m.
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h8r writes:
Sheep
Nope, I am a robot sent from the future to destroy John Connor. I bet you are someone who doesn't read a lot of history! I wonder who is right....
I am actually someone who doesn't really care for r68 because they are preparing their people for "self defense" against police brutality, which seems insane. I am sure the police appreciate a bunch of skinny anarchists taking the time to fight back, thus justifying tasering, warehousing etc., but I don't appreciate any violence at the DNC either by the police or by the anarchists.
August 14, 2008
6:13 p.m.
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h8r writes:
allseasonsfan
Your logic is a simple and overused justification for state violence and your logic has historically been used as such. I would bet that you will use the same logic to justify the beatings that are bound to take place.
MLK had problems with violent tactics, for sure, but that included violent police tactics being used against protesters. He never advocated violence as a tactic, AND he never justified reactionary violence against the state or against protesters.
You are justifying violence, and even worse, you are justifying violence against unarmed civilians by police who will use weapons. My point, though obviously diluted, was that there is no justification for violence in settings like the DNC protests.
The protesters have no justification and the police have none as well. Certainly the police have the duty to protect property from unruly rock throwers, but to extend those duties to oblige beatings seems absurd.
August 15, 2008
8:53 a.m.
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mabamford writes:
for a partial list of crimes committed by FBI agents over 300 pages long see
campusactivism.org
click on home
click on forum
scroll down to FBI WATCH
this just in
FBI Agent Accused Of M......ing In Public
Updated: May 25, 2007 09:02 PM
Posted by, Marissa Pasquet KOLD News 13 News Editor
FBI Special Agent Ryan Seese, 34, is facing sex offense charges after a cleaning woman said she found him m.......g in a women's lavatory on campus, according to a University of Arizona police spokesman.
Seese was cited on suspicion of three misdemeanors, public sexual indecency, criminal trespassing and indecent exposure.
According to authorities, Seese was released to an FBI supervisor.
UA authorities say a cleaning woman opened a Student Union restroom stall, and spotted a man playing with himself.
She ran out of the lavatory and reported the incident to her supervisor, who called police.
UA Police say the woman pointed out the man to an officer taking her report.
Police says, when the officer tried to stop him, the man ran into a parking garage just north of the Student Union where he was caught, handcuffed and cited.
Police say Seese told the police officer he was with law enforcement.
It is unknown why Seese was at UA or where he is assigned in Arizona.