VIDEO: Focus on the Family pulls plea for rain at Obama speech
Mark Barna, Gazette
Monday, August 11, 2008
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Focus on the Family Action pulled a video from its Web site today that asked people to pray for "rain of biblical proportions" during Barack Obama's Aug. 28 appearance at Invesco Field at Mile High to accept the Democratic nomination for president.
Stuart Shepard, director of digital media at Focus Action, the political arm of Focus on the Family, said the video he wrote and starred in was meant to be "mildly humorous."
But complaints from about a dozen Focus members convinced the organization to pull the video, said Tom Minnery, Focus Action vice president of public policy.
"If people took it seriously, we regret it," Minnery said Monday.
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August 11, 2008
11:10 p.m.
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GWBushwacked writes:
Please...these people actually meant for it to really happen ( as Bettybowers.com would put it...So close to God I can pick which days it rains). Glad they had the sense to pull it.
August 12, 2008
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GladysKravitz writes:
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August 12, 2008
1:07 a.m.
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proudlyliberal writes:
Their regrets are insulting. Anyone who finds something humorous about mean-spirited thoughts directed against their fellow citizens is a pretty pathetic Christian. And I'm not kidding.
August 12, 2008
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August 12, 2008
5:21 a.m.
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LOUIE writes:
Focus on the Family doesn't speak for all who bow thier knee to God folks. Focus on the Family is nothing more than the Folly of Fools. Some of us would never reduce the glory of God to tempt His power, nor incur His wrath, in such a foolish fashion before humanity and His creation.
August 12, 2008
5:28 a.m.
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DD writes:
Focus on the Family does more damage to Christians than any kind-minded Democrat could possibly hope to do. The hatred that they spew and circulate is about as far away as the original idea of Christianity that one has to wonder about James Dobson's true mission. Colorado Spring's true claim to fame? Home of the cult of James Dobson. How embarrassing.
August 12, 2008
7:24 a.m.
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Acemon writes:
Clearly the kind-hearted folks down in the Springs forgot about the Promise Keepers festival of love which was rained upon a decade ago. The sword of the Man in the Sky can cut both ways. With any luck, a rain of toads will descend on the Promise Keepers as a reward for their dour, anti-social behavior.
August 12, 2008
7:31 a.m.
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August 12, 2008
7:38 a.m.
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LingLingfor_prez writes:
I like rain.
August 12, 2008
7:42 a.m.
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Hedz writes:
It would appear that we have many christians walking in the flesh these days and not in the spirit, and that more than anything is what will "incur God's wrath"..... Get it together guys! The rain falls on the unrighteous AND the RIGHTEOUS.......
August 12, 2008
7:51 a.m.
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August 12, 2008
8:02 a.m.
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hogarm writes:
What is "mildly humorous?"
What does Mr. Shepard think the joke is?
The joke really is that he thinks God answers Republican's prayers, but what does he think the joke is?
August 12, 2008
8:08 a.m.
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KYJurisDoctor writes:
Focus on the family needs to get a BETTER focus on life. OsiSpeaks.com
August 12, 2008
8:09 a.m.
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kdanieli writes:
I'm an atheist who has never prayed before...but I'll pray for a major hailstorm during The One's fascist rally in Denver.
Some frogs would be a nice touch.
Pray harder.
But did Barack make any cracks about running for "Lezident?"
like at http://www.lezident.com
this is getting silly!
August 12, 2008
8:09 a.m.
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pbr writes:
the best part is that the lemmings took it seriously. i can picture them all praying as they periodically glance up at the sky! scary that they're even allowed to vote!
August 12, 2008
8:10 a.m.
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Zephyr1999 writes:
And I suppose that if the weather is perfect for Obama's speech that Focus on the Family will announce that GOD wants Obama to be President...
August 12, 2008
8:11 a.m.
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wj writes:
Hey proudly liberal.. does your condemnation of hate extend to the liberal bumper sticker rhetoric? I see more hate on the bumper stickers of the lib mobiles on the road. And you know what they say, people who slap multiple bumper stickers on their cars are 4x as likely to commit acts of road rage. Clear the way when you see these hate mongers tooling down the road!
August 12, 2008
8:14 a.m.
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August 12, 2008
8:15 a.m.
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dksp writes:
ToddWR, if you know the bible so well (and those two word quotes really imply that) then why would they call for a "rain of biblical proportions" when in the old testiment, god offered a covenant promising to never do that again? If they were trying to be biblically accurate, they should have asked for boils or locusts. Luckily for him, his kids would be ok with the first born son thing. Focus on the Family = pure uncut evil.
August 12, 2008
8:19 a.m.
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Mark59 writes:
What a bunch of religious FREAKS! I have nearly dis-avowed my Christianity due to all these so-called Christian freaks. How dare Focus on the Freaks-Family marr my chosen religion with their republican-supported hateful ways. One thing I do know for sure, these Focus on the Family hate-mongers are going to Hell long before I ever will. What a bunch of Kooks!
August 12, 2008
8:20 a.m.
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jetron writes:
I would like to see hailstones the size of baseballs rain down - and maybe a thuderstorm that sets the podium on fire. Even better - FLAMING hailstones and blood and frogs raining down from the heavens. That ought to send the right message.
August 12, 2008
8:20 a.m.
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wj writes:
Gee Mark59, your faith must be rock solid!!
August 12, 2008
8:22 a.m.
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Norseman writes:
It's likely that they'll need some practice praying for rain, and since my yard is very dry, I will volunteer my neighborhood for these practice drills... (near Ken Caryl Ave. and Simms St.)
If you could try and induce rain as follows, that would be great;
Every other night between 10 and 12 pm.
No more than 1" per night.
Plenty of sunshine in between.
Please don't rain toads, as the neighborhood cats will choke on them during their nightly prowling. Once you've mastered this, you'll be ready for the big show.
August 12, 2008
8:22 a.m.
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jaycee writes:
Wow, what an evil thing to pray for....rain. What a bunch of hate-mongers. How ever could people survive in a bunch of....rain.
I mean they might get wet or something! Of all things to pray for, life sustaining rain! How dare they! What evil, what hate. Let us pray it will never rain again, for it is a hateful and mean spirited thing.
More amusing then the fit non-believers will throw over this, is the fact that it seems, they know it might actually happen, thereby raining on them and causing them to melt.
August 12, 2008
8:29 a.m.
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lencho_elias writes:
Funny how fundamentalists think God works personally for them because of how "righteous" they are..... Just like the Pharasiee's of Jesus day...
God is Love
Obama 08!!
August 12, 2008
8:47 a.m.
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Danchan writes:
Wow.
Libtards writes..... garbage.
August 12, 2008
8:49 a.m.
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temurlan writes:
This organization and the story are both ridiculous.
Having said that, after looking up at the sky, letting some grass blades blow in the wind and watching which direction the hawk flies, I am perdicting a 50% chance of rain on that day.
August 12, 2008
8:50 a.m.
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Mark59 writes:
wj,
Actually, no, not in the past years since the FF and the kooks who protest soldiers funerals. I am ashamed of American "Christianity" because of these folks. So wj, how far do you have your head up Limbaugh's butt?
August 12, 2008
8:50 a.m.
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buffsblg writes:
Every day the posters on here make it easier for anyone of thought and contemplation to support Obama. Why would anyone with a sense of dignity or logic want to align themselves with people like libtard or toddrw who vote based upon hate and stupidity? marinegrunt, you show actual thought on this board in support of your position: don't these fools make you wonder who you have aligned yourself with?
August 12, 2008
8:53 a.m.
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LoneTreeLady75 writes:
LMAO @ Focus on the Family. I had forgot all about them. Also,LMAO @ Libtards, grow up fella, seriously.
August 12, 2008
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Steph writes:
You're absolutely right Froward69. If Jesus was here now, he'd spend time with the AIDS patients, welfare mothers, drug addicts, the poor and immigrants. Everyone the Repubs hate.
This reminds me of a story a week or so ago where mental defectives like these "christians" were praying for the gas prices to go down.
What I'd like to know is: Why do you have to pray to God for anything? Shouldn't he know what you need/want before you ask him for it? Or, is he just sitting around waiting for someone to pray to him before he does anything?
Only Christians would believe that if .05% of their prayers are answered, that it's proof of God's existence.
August 12, 2008
9:03 a.m.
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Mark59 writes:
Amen Froward69. You are so correct about Jesus. Somehow Christianity has been so skewed all the way back to the Pilgrims. Actualy, the Obama haters are really closeted racists. As long as you are lilly-white, you're ok, but a malato?
I was taught that in America, anyone can be President, and when someone who from meager means is about to realize that dream (the American dream) he is castigated, berated, and generally hated. We as Americans should celebrate the fact that anyone truly can become President of the most wonderful, powerful Country on earth. Yet, here they are, trying to condem what truly is America. We should celebrate!!
ps to Libtards, my brother is retarded and you are making fun of him. What a mean-spirited, un-American person you are.
August 12, 2008
9:06 a.m.
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Steph writes:
Hey Libtard. I have a retarded female cousin and I can't think of ANYTHING less Christlike than calling somebody a "retard." Tell me. How do you reconcile your religion with the hate you spew?
August 12, 2008
9:11 a.m.
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RightDownTheMiddle writes:
Libtard....
We get it. You don't like Obama. Enough already.
By the way....kindergarten called and wants it's childish name "libtard" back.
P.S. You are a "Retardlican". Hey, name calling is immature but fun!
August 12, 2008
9:14 a.m.
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Frontranger writes:
Hey libtard you keep saying liberals are ignorant, where is the proof. Was there a study or research conducted?
What about liberal republicans, are they ignorant too?
August 12, 2008
9:19 a.m.
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Steph writes:
Interesting that Libt**d has suddenly shut up. Probably because it has no answers to our questions. BTW, Libt**d, I just read today that "differently abled" people are protesting the new Ben Stiller film because it makes fun of people with disabilities and calls them names as well. Why don't YOU explain to these people (all God's children, I assume) why they should just shut up about being called a "retard?" Why don't you find a bus full of differently abled children and laugh at them. I'm sure their parents would appreciate that.
My cousin is now 51 years old with the mind of a 10 year old and I will think about your name-calling next time I see her.
Man, you're a real piece of trash "Libt**d" and a pathetic representation of a Christian.
August 12, 2008
9:19 a.m.
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LoneTreeLady75 writes:
"You people have the reasoning ability of a 5 year old..."
But yet you have Libtards as your screename. A bit of the pot calling the kettle black, no? Also, Libby, can you provide proof of your claim? Definitely not a repub or democrat, but that study would be interesting to see.
August 12, 2008
9:21 a.m.
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Mark59 writes:
Hmmm, this board has become suprisingly silent. W.W.J.D.?
August 12, 2008
9:22 a.m.
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Dick_Tater writes:
I always pray for rain when Oprah is around, we all know that wicked witches melt when they get wet.
August 12, 2008
9:22 a.m.
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Frontranger writes:
here is the link to the video on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztO8wZ...
Sad when you watch it, it really is a gay bashing, pro-life commercial more than Focus on the family wanting it to rain. Libtard, talk about hate!
August 12, 2008
9:22 a.m.
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Steph writes:
LT, a link to prove your rantings? If the Repubs like the poor then they LOVE the rich. Are you also saying that the Repubs give to AIDS victims in this country, are pro-welfare?
BTW, how have YOU supported the poor lately - now don't lie, Jesus will know.
August 12, 2008
9:26 a.m.
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coachtugger writes:
I don't think it could happen. B. Hussein Obama is the messiah, so he will be able to control the weather.
August 12, 2008
9:28 a.m.
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Steph writes:
LT, why aren't you answering my questions? How can you have so much hate and still judge others because they're not Christians?
YOU, LT are the perfect example of why Christians face so much hate in this country. You think you're "holier than thou" when you are just as bad, if not worse, than other people. If Christians actually practiced the teachings of love thy neighbor, etc. they would attract so many more people to their beliefs rather than clearly showing your ignorance and hate.
August 12, 2008
9:30 a.m.
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O_TRAIN writes:
What's sad is they didn't take the video down because it was wrong, they only took it down because it might affect their "fund-raising". It's really about Focus on the Money. Disgusting.
August 12, 2008
9:31 a.m.
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Frontranger writes:
well if using this comment board as your proof, you are truly the only ignorant person here. you better run along, you might miss your Faux news and talking points for the day.
August 12, 2008
9:31 a.m.
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Steph writes:
Right on! O Train!
August 12, 2008
9:38 a.m.
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LoneTreeLady75 writes:
LOL Libtard, felons arent allowed to vote, so you can throw that lame excuse out. Steph probably wouldnt need to appologize because you have absoultely no proof whatsoever to back up your charity claim.
August 12, 2008
9:38 a.m.
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Steph writes:
Can you provide a link backing all of your comments? And can you provide a link that isn't from some Christian website created by people who are as ignorant as you are?
It's hilarious how you can quote Scripture but find it very easy to ignore the parts about tolerance, loving your neighbor, turning the other cheek, etc.
You are a pathetic fake-Christian filled with hate and ignorance You wrap yourself around the cross to justify very Anti-Jesus behaviour. I can think of nothing lower and I'm sure Jesus would agree; using Him to justify your hate. Trash.
August 12, 2008
9:46 a.m.
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tinfish writes:
most likely the 1st shower the hippies would get this year...
Don't forget to pack your soap
August 12, 2008
9:46 a.m.
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Dryden01 writes:
The image of the Obama cultists getting a soaking at his stadium spectacle would be worthy of a Leni Riefenstahl movie. They could call it “The Triumph Of The Witless.” The attendees would all get a free memento bar of soap that comes with a picture of Obama on the box and the label “Dope on a Rope.”
August 12, 2008
9:49 a.m.
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Steph writes:
Dryden. There's no better example of a "dope on a rope" than your man W. Maybe you could run a close second.
August 12, 2008
9:51 a.m.
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M2 writes:
How do people get involved with organizations like this? It makes me angry inside that Hokus Pokus on the Family and other "religious groups" are so close minded, racist, politically motivated, and outright brainwashing cults. Religion has been, and continues to be, the downfall of humanity and the cause of countless wars.
August 12, 2008
9:53 a.m.
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blitonm writes:
I think the Denver metro area would benefit more from the rain than more blustery hot air. At least in the Pepsi Center it (the platitudes) are contained.
August 12, 2008
9:54 a.m.
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Dryden01 writes:
Steph he was smart enough to beat your losers twice so what does that say about you and them?
August 12, 2008
9:54 a.m.
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Mark59 writes:
So Libtard,
How many funerals of our fallen heros have you protested?
August 12, 2008
10:01 a.m.
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Steph writes:
I find it very hard to believe that he didn't steal both elections. Even if he didn't, he isn't smart enough to know how to shake a <30% approval rating or how to clean up the mess he made in Iraq. The really stupid people are the ones who voted for him TWICE.
That's all right. I'm very comforted by the fact that History will be very harsh on him and his backwards followers.
August 12, 2008
10:05 a.m.
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Steph writes:
LT. I KNEW you'd blather on about some study done by a Religious Organization. Yes, there are left-leaning churchgoers but we never hear from them. Just losers like you.
I can call you any names I want and hate you as much as I want because I'm not claiming to be some kind of Christian or other religious nut. I have no religion. You do. You're the one who should be watching what you say and who you hate.
August 12, 2008
10:07 a.m.
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givesflack writes:
Why don't we pray for a better leader who won't mislead the public and raid our national trust for international big business (oil,banks,multinationals) and pretend he cares about America.
Why can't we pray for something bigger for our country that God really cares about instead of focus issues that don't apply to all of us instead of the priviledged few and the religious right wing. My belief in God stems from the macro understanding of his universal presence and not some narrow minded micro version of fabricated views of God. His teachings and real spiritual leadership is about everything and everybody, thus inclusive and not exclusive. He is not just yours and yours alone, a simplified iconic version in your vision. No we are a vision of his and you have usurped your spiritual responsibility by pretending that only you know the true meaning of God- The highest form of blasphemy.
August 12, 2008
10:10 a.m.
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Barron writes:
Libtard wrote: "Poor Steph, So I am to understand that because I don't agree with you, I'm full of hate? Yep, you reason like a 5 year old. And a "holier than thou" attitude... Look at all the libtard posts on here condemning Focus on the Family because of a joke. Look at your own posts condemning me. You are such an ignorant hypocrite."
Everything you've written, literally everything, is critical of others, from your childishly ridiculous screen name on. What an incredibly hypocritical post this is! Guess what "tard," this liberal democrat will pray for you, because obviously you need it.
As far as FOF is concerned, they just don't get it. One thing I've noticed about this race is that every time the Republicans (and by the way, why is FOF supporting semi-liberal McCain?!?) say something incredibly stupid or inappropriate it's a "joke."
August 12, 2008
10:10 a.m.
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Steph writes:
amen, givesflack.
August 12, 2008
10:12 a.m.
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LaughingJaguar writes:
Louis wrote: "Some of us would never reduce the glory of God to tempt His power, nor incur His wrath, in such a foolish fashion before humanity and His creation."
I agree that the video was a stupid thing to make. I also agree that it contradicts some of the most fundamental principles of Christianity. However, it's not at all uncommon for some Christians to call down God's wrath, when it suits their purpose.
General George Patton frequently called upon Army Chaplains to write prayers that would help him kill Nazi's. Then read his bible before going to sleep.
Gandhi was quoted as having said: "Were it not for the behavior of some Christians, I'd be a follower of Jesus Christ"
I agree with Gandhi
August 12, 2008
10:13 a.m.
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tinfish writes:
Steph,
Why does "W"'s 30% matter? He was'nt elected to be popular he was elected to do a job.
Iraq is being won by the American solder even though it is aparent that the Dems in congress are trying to undermine them at every chance
August 12, 2008
10:15 a.m.
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Steph writes:
Oh dear. Tinfish. You're really drunk the Koolaid. Why aren't YOU in Iraq right now fighting? Answer me.
Very good, LT. How much have YOU personally given to the poor in the last year? How much money does the Church take before it gives the rest to the poor. Those megachurches must cost lots of money as well as the cable shows.
August 12, 2008
10:19 a.m.
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tinfish writes:
Becouse I'm to old.
Why does 30% matter
August 12, 2008
10:25 a.m.
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frank3108 writes:
God says in Daniel 2 v 21 "He changes times and seasons; He sets up kings and deposes them". While we get to vote it is God who will put the next president in place. If anyone thinks it is our decision on who the most powerful person on the planet will be they are sadly mistaken. God put good kings and bad kings over Israel according to how they honored Him. Our country is going to get what we deserve. Instead of praying for rain on Obama they should be praying for repentance for our nation. Focus on the Family should start with their own repentance.
August 12, 2008
10:25 a.m.
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Steph writes:
Very good. Libtard. It sounds like you have a real Christian bone in your body. How can you be so good as to give money to a youth home but still have so much hate? Would you give the money if one of those kids were gay? Do you also realize that giving money to charity like that is basically a communist/socialist act?
Maybe you're not a lost cause. ha ha
August 12, 2008
10:29 a.m.
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buffsblg writes:
tinfish: is it your position that once a president is elected, he or she is totally free to reject the wishes of those who elected him or her as to all issues? I disagree that the people have no say once the vote is cast. By the way, those congress people you despise were also elected. My guess is that you had no problem with the Republicans essentially shutting down the government in the last two years of the Clinton presidency. You only want unlimited executive power when people you agree with have the office.
August 12, 2008
10:30 a.m.
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Steph writes:
I don't need to be in Iraq. I know what a useless phony war it is. Maybe LT can help me understand something. How can you be pro-war and pro-life at the same time? Isn't one of the 10 Commandments "Thou Shalt Not Kill?"
Tinfish, surely there are religious folk in Iraq supporting the troups. Why aren't you there preaching the word of God and helping with the Red Cross?
August 12, 2008
10:30 a.m.
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hopefulhuman writes:
Libtards, who is full of hate and acting like a 5 year old on the playground. How much hatred are you throwing around? Can't folks communicate opinions anymore? What makes people ignorant is fear and fear brings about anger. There are two parties in this country for good reason. Aren't we all Americans? Look at history, the two parties have balanced themselves out through the years. If we did not have this system, this country would be in world of hurt whether the Republicans or Democrats were running it.
August 12, 2008
10:32 a.m.
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Mark59 writes:
Answer me Libtard, or does the truth hurt? Stop protesting my fallen heros funerals.
August 12, 2008
10:32 a.m.
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sldfkd writes:
Why just rain? Why not rain that's on fire? That would be pretty cool! Or maybe we can even get a tornado up here and wipe out 75,000 democrats in one blow! I agree, frogs and locusts would be pretty dang cool too. Maybe it'll be a chance for God to spill some of those bowels of pestilence that He talks about in revelations. Why just pray for rain? Come on, guys! Bring it on!
August 12, 2008
10:38 a.m.
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HopiMedicineMan writes:
Everybody knows you don't get rain by praying. You dance.
August 12, 2008
10:38 a.m.
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East2West writes:
Domino - please look up the meaning of the word "fascist" before using it so recklessly and ignorantly. Good start would be Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism." Quiz: Which is fascist - a private organization trying to persuade fellow citizens through argument or a government which uses the full power of the state to force citizens to comply? Which is more dangerous to life and liberty? If you don't know the answer, see Kelo vs. New London.
August 12, 2008
10:39 a.m.
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ToddWR writes:
Hey dksp -
The "quotes" were "quotes" from your fellow DemoKrat Libtard "Louie". You may now go back and worship at the alter of the Obamessiah, and read from the holy DemoKrat playbook, the "New York Times". " " " Quote - quote - quote " " " . Quotes make you angry? Here's another. " " "
August 12, 2008
10:42 a.m.
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DaMama writes:
On the one hand, this just shows that liberals have no sense of humor whatsoever. They take everything so doggone seriously, they can't laugh at anything. No wonder liberal talk radio never succeeds - no one wants to listen to a bunch of yahoos who sound like Eeyore 24/7.
On the other hand, FOTF really blew it on this one. If they are serious about this, they should have asked for every Christian able to come to Denver to pray during Obama's speech. Prayer is the greatest and most under-utilized weapon of the Christian church. They would have accomplished a lot more by humbling themselves, getting on their knees and praying while Obama is speaking.
Once again, the naivete of Christians and politics is showing again. Most Christian leaders and organizations would do well to just shut up, get on their knees and intercede in prayer. That is what the Bible commands us to do.....so read your Bible and DO what it says!!!
August 12, 2008
10:43 a.m.
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kracken41 writes:
Libtard- You are using a handle with the name 'Tard' in it, yet you chastise others for spewing 'hate'. That you can't see the irony in that fact is all anyone needs to know of your opinions.
Some of your quotes in case you forgot:
"Uh oh. The libs are getting hateful again. LOL."
"Someone says something you don't agree with, it's hate!"
"Here we see democrats explode in their hatred of Christians."
Yet once again, you have the word TARD in your handle. How loving you are.
August 12, 2008
10:45 a.m.
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August 12, 2008
10:45 a.m.
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Audifan08 writes:
I'm praying that something else happens.
August 12, 2008
10:47 a.m.
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hopefulhuman writes:
DaMama
Didn't know praying was a weapon.
August 12, 2008
10:48 a.m.
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kracken41 writes:
Here's a thought for everyone on both sides of the fence, in either party... If you have to call names to make your point your argument S**KS.
August 12, 2008
10:49 a.m.
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kreckdog writes:
It's rain people. Geez, lighten up. For those calling for death and destruction on Focus on the Family, try looking the mirror--hypocrites. All you Obama-sheep like the guy, that's fine, but not everyone wants a president with such an outlandish messiah complex.
August 12, 2008
10:50 a.m.
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hopefulhuman writes:
Way to say it kracken41! Now if our public figures can heed that advice, we may get something done in this country.
August 12, 2008
10:52 a.m.
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hopefulhuman writes:
kreckdog
Didn't Mr. Bush have a messiah (or ego) complex? My guess is Obama may use his "complex" a little differently than Bush did.
August 12, 2008
10:53 a.m.
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scr1bbler writes:
As the Bard puts it, "A plague on both your houses."
Since one's worth is measured by the significance of his opponents, you're both to be valued at 'next to nothing'.
Please, O Supreme Rainmaker, don't waste fresh water on either of these groups. Send it down here to Arizona. We can really appreciate it.
August 12, 2008
10:55 a.m.
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rotten writes:
To listen to a very funny parody song called "Nobama" go to:
www.myspace.com/rogerweber
It's a laugh riot!
August 12, 2008
10:59 a.m.
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Steph writes:
That's right hopefulhuman. The people talking about Obama's "messiah complex" didn't seem to be bothered by the fact that W "takes his orders and answers to his father in Heaven." Now, either W is lying (wouldn't be the first time) or his "father" is pretty stupid and hates this country.
August 12, 2008
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ToddWR writes:
Steph's problem? Quite evident by her posts. BDS (yeah look it up Steph), pure and simple. Bush won. Your great high priest AlGore lost, and then your alterboy Lurch lost. You lost. Get over it. Perhaps your Obamessiah will win and take a page from Mao. Vote Obo for your next Politburo 5-Year Plan (or a gulag and no potatoes in the winter). Hammer and sickles for everybody! Yay!
August 12, 2008
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sdbuff82 writes:
I think Toy Story 2 was a pretty good movie.
August 12, 2008
11:02 a.m.
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LongTallTexan writes:
Reminds me of when Pat Robertson prayed for the "Hurr-i-can" to change it's course some years back around one of the Carolinas. I watched him in disbelief as he waived his palms around on television saying, "I rebuke thee, Hurr-i-can."
The hurricane's trajectory followed scientific weather models and did not feel Pat's rebuke.
News like this confirms how superstitious religious people are and they make up such a LOUD portion of our society. Focus on the Family is a more dangerous variety of Pat's zeal and should be dealt with accordingly.
August 12, 2008
11:03 a.m.
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Steph writes:
Toddwr. I can't wait until Obama wins. It's not too early to say. "YOU lost. Get Over It."
August 12, 2008
11:10 a.m.
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wow writes:
LIbtards wrote "Libtards see Christianity as the greatest threat to their cultish ways. That's why you see the outpouring of hatred toward Christians."
And then he wrote "Steph, typical lib. Someone says something you don't agree with, it's hate!"
I actually just hurt myself laughing and throwing up at the same time.
You are a veritable font of contradictory and abusive statements.
Please post more, Libtard.
I've not laughed so hard in years.
August 12, 2008
11:11 a.m.
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hopefulhuman writes:
Toddwr- The first GWB election was fixed. Look at Al's accomplishments this far. Bush can't say that. At least Al has a higher calling for humanity.
August 12, 2008
11:15 a.m.
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hopefulhuman writes:
Toddwr- PS the second election was won based on the republican campaign agenda of "fear".
August 12, 2008
11:33 a.m.
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wow writes:
fro--
Libby doesn't have a job. He's sitting around the trailer in his wife beater screaming at 7 kids that may not be his while his old lady waits tables at the Waffle house.
August 12, 2008
11:34 a.m.
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ToddWR writes:
As I indicated - BDS for the DemoKrats. What a bunch of sore looooosers. Once again - Bush won. Gore, Kerry, and the DemoKrats lost. Waaaaaahhhhhh.
August 12, 2008
11:39 a.m.
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ToddWR writes:
Is that "hopefulhuman", or "hopefullenin"? Umm, ahhh, voter fraud! Bush was selected! No yellowcake! (ooops, I guess there actually was yellowcake) Bush lied people died! (ummmm, the DemoKrat Supreme Being commands that you forget that Lipstick Dipstick Bubba and Algore preached the same thing). Steph's cure for BDS? More hammer and sickles for everyone!
August 12, 2008
11:43 a.m.
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ToddWR writes:
BDS tinfoil hat wearers - live long and prosper. Pravda my bourgeois, Pravda. Keep typing and foaming at the mouth. You're pathetic and it's not worth one more typed letter to try and take your tinfoil hat off.
August 12, 2008
11:44 a.m.
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AC writes:
Froward69 writes:
"praying for rain on a certain day at a certain time, to "prove" a political Ideal... that's blasphemous."
You are 100% correct, and that's the point. That's why even decent Focus members called for this to be pulled. It is clearly blaspheming. And it reveals FF's true colors.
August 12, 2008
11:46 a.m.
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edsbowlingshoe writes:
Maybe this donkey thought he had joined a competing group called "Focus on the Weather".
August 12, 2008
11:49 a.m.
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temurlan writes:
Fro, I won't make a prediction for the election. But if McCain does win, I predict a run on antidepressants for the left. Might have to have an emergency shipment air dropped into Boulder.
August 12, 2008
11:50 a.m.
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edsbowlingshoe writes:
It also seems that Communism-obsessed ToddWR, in between jackbooting around his padded room, fails to recognize that the Repubs are about to get destroyed in the upcoming elections in both the Senate and House; lose governorships; lose states delegates; and most likely lose the presidential election per current polls. Given these facts, all your bluster means you're either a) divorced from reality, hence the padded room, or b) a nitwit. Which is it?
August 12, 2008
11:51 a.m.
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August 12, 2008
11:54 a.m.
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I_Hate_Obama writes:
Froward69 writes:
With Barack Obama as President and A Truly Democratic majority in BOTH houses of congress...
We will have narrowly avoided cataclysmic economic meltdown. and the shredding of the constitution by republicans.
(Now for the humor part)
I predict republicans will call for a recount. or impeachment before anyone takes an oath. Rejecting Obamas presidency like (gasp) Democrats rejected W's selection.
watching them squirm and slither back under their rocks to regroup. (now THAT'S Humor)---------------------------------------------
Time to wake up and take your meds, you were having another one of those stupid dreams again!
August 12, 2008
12:04 p.m.
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I_Hate_Obama writes:
Froward69 writes:
With Barack Obama as President and A Truly Democratic majority in BOTH houses of congress...
We will have narrowly avoided cataclysmic economic meltdown. and the shredding of the constitution by republicans.
(Now for the humor part)
I predict republicans will call for a recount. or impeachment before anyone takes an oath. Rejecting Obamas presidency like (gasp) Democrats rejected W's selection.
watching them squirm and slither back under their rocks to regroup. (now THAT'S Humor)----------------------------------------------------Wake up! Wake up! You were having one of your stupid dreams again! Now take you meds and I will get the medical aide to change your depends.
August 12, 2008
12:13 p.m.
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str8up writes:
Those who want to base national policy on the moral values expressed in the Bible, should think about following those principals themselves first. As told in Luke:
"Now it came to pass, when the time had come for Him to be received up, that He steadfastly set His face to go to Jerusalem, and sent messengers before His face. And as they went, they entered a village of the Samaritans, to prepare for Him. But they did not receive Him, because His face was set for the journey to Jerusalem. And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?”
But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.” And they went to another village." Luke 9:51-56.
August 12, 2008
12:25 p.m.
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kali73 writes:
Homelessness, hunger, war and racisim are all around us and all they can use their resouces to do is create feelings of hate?! To the pious Dobson followers: don't work so hard on praying for change (and being pious by adverstising you pray) but lend out a hand to those in need instead - don't expect God to do all the work!
August 12, 2008
12:28 p.m.
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I_Hate_Obama writes:
A recent interview with one of Obama's Congressional supporters. They should know his accomplishments better than anyone and could NOT site even one. This election is too important not to listen to this!
ObamacampaignrepSTUMPEDonaccomplishments.wmv
August 12, 2008
12:33 p.m.
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I_Hate_Obama writes:
Obama Without His Teleprompter!
This is an amazing video of Barack giving a speech when his teleprompter
goes on the blink -- he is unable to form a coherent sentence; struggling to
think of something to say as he repeatedly sneaks peeks at the teleprompter
screen locations hoping that his script has reappeared.
This is a real hoot, to watch the Obamassiah trying to think of something
to say all on his very own, and failing miserably. No wonder he is dodging
any sort of free-form debate with McCain.
ObamaLostHisTeleprompter.wmv
August 12, 2008
12:35 p.m.
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Frontranger writes:
Does anyone remember Ted Haggard, I heard he was cured of his homosexual desires. Its a friggin Miracle, FOTF must have prayed extra for him.
August 12, 2008
12:35 p.m.
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jay045 writes:
I have to contradict Libtard's premise that the charitable study showing that the deep south gives more to CHARITY means that they give more to the POOR. Churches are tax-exempt charities.
The Christian Science Monitor article Libtard linked to (see http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1222/p1...) actually says it explicitly:
"The reason low-income states give a lot is religion," said George McCully, president of Massachusetts-based Catalogue for Philanthropy, whose index uses 2002 IRS tax return data to compare each state's average itemized charitable deduction with its average adjusted gross income.
"They are tithing, evangelical Protestants, and they are giving in proportion to their income," he says. "Up here [in the Northeast], religion doesn't help our giving. I wouldn't say it hurts, but it doesn't help, either."
As a professional in fund-raising, and a volunteer for community nonprofits (such as homeless shelters, employment centers, etc.), my experience is that most donors and volunteers are on the liberal side.
August 12, 2008
12:41 p.m.
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I_Hate_Obama writes:
kali73 writes:
Homelessness, hunger, war and racisim are all around us and all they can use their resouces to do is create feelings of hate?! To the pious Dobson followers: don't work so hard on praying for change (and being pious by adverstising you pray) but lend out a hand to those in need instead - don't expect God to do all the work!
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We have, it is called welfare, food stamps, government assisted housing, welfare cheese, free medical for those in need, etc. etc. etc. We have been doing this for many years, where have you been??? Racism is a two way street, one cannot blame the other.
August 12, 2008
12:48 p.m.
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familyortiz writes:
If a religion engages in political action, they should have their tax exempt status removed. Similarly, truly spiritual people would not be spouting like Libtards is. Face it, you and dobson are more like the nazis that followed hitler. Obama has never shown the bleeding heart hate that you show and yet put down, just like your fantasy religion, based on manmade stories.
August 12, 2008
12:48 p.m.
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happy2behere writes:
How sad, both sides writing rude things and calling each other hateful. Can't you all make your points without the rotten tone?
All this over a joke that wasn't even funny.
August 12, 2008
12:50 p.m.
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Frontranger writes:
I hate Obama, thats a link to a wave file not a website. You're about as bright as McCain on a computer.
Here is the link if anyone is interested:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM8fqt...
August 12, 2008
12:51 p.m.
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I_Hate_Obama writes:
For easier access to the sites mentioned in my postings:
http:www.ObamacampaignrepSTUMPEDonacc...
http:www.ObamaLostHisTeleprompter.wmv
Take a look and have a good laugh!! lol
August 12, 2008
12:53 p.m.
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DaMama writes:
Kali73:
I was in Mississippi after Hurricane Katrina. The majority of organization there to help the victims were Christian. There have been more church and Christian ministries in the Gulf Coast for the last 3 years than the Red Cross or FEMA. Most charitable organizations are Christian. We do practice what we preach.
August 12, 2008
12:58 p.m.
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wow writes:
"We have, it is called welfare, food stamps, government assisted housing, welfare cheese, free medical for those in need, etc. etc. etc. We have been doing this for many years, where have you been??? Racism is a two way street, one cannot blame the other."
Don't conservative religious fundies usually get their noses all out of joint over those very same social programs? As for the "we" thing, if you fall into that group, (fundies, neocons,etc..), then all you and your heroes have done lately is try to get those programs abolished. The mindset of that species is, "That's not my problem. Let the Libs pay for it".
"We" who have a societal conscience, and support (within reason) the programs you mentioned, generally aren't petty enough to bother the sky daddy with trivialities like making it rain on people we don't like. Gimme a break already.
August 12, 2008
1:04 p.m.
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wow writes:
"We have, it is called welfare, food stamps, government assisted housing, welfare cheese, free medical for those in need, etc. etc. etc. We have been doing this for many years, where have you been??? "
Those are the very government programs that the fundies and the neocons get their noses bent out of shape over.
Where the heck have you been?
August 12, 2008
1:07 p.m.
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wow writes:
wierd, the first version finally posted, but it took forever. Thought it was lost...disregard the second post as redundant.
Stupid internet.
August 12, 2008
1:10 p.m.
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Kevino writes:
"May the rains deluge the wicked ones, the hoarders of personal wealth, the profiteering elite among us who choose to distort the gentle, compassionate words of Jesus. May we walk the walk of peace and sharing . . . ."
Let us never forget, we REALLY cannot take it with us, whether it be cash, real estate, shares or IRAs. Personal enrichment at the expense of one's soul is the height of ignorance.
What was the message of the "Sermon on the Mount" after all ?
Accumulation of personal wealth ? Blaming the poor and uneducated for their own problems ? Abandoning the sick to their own misery ?
August 12, 2008
1:17 p.m.
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Frontranger writes:
I'm with you Froward, they should rename it the FlipFlop express. See GI bill for proof.
August 12, 2008
1:18 p.m.
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micheleisfree writes:
Fanatics are retarded.
Will you people grow up and join the real world?
The Easter Bunny is not going to appear in the sky and justify all your hate.
Look through the mirror of History, not the fog of myth.
Can you be MORE juvenile?
August 12, 2008
1:28 p.m.
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hoodedbeagle writes:
Floods are so Old Testament. Now raining down fire would be impressive.
August 12, 2008
1:34 p.m.
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brentbach writes:
I hope you wankers choke on your oil.
August 12, 2008
1:37 p.m.
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cooperjtd writes:
best bumper sticker I've seen 'Focus on your own D*mn Family'
August 12, 2008
1:48 p.m.
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SDindependent writes:
It is so easy for Christians, before you wish ill or malice towards another because you disagree with them...... Just ask yourself "What would Jesus do?"
August 12, 2008
1:53 p.m.
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realist7 writes:
Jesus was a long haired radical of this there is no doubt. He was also pro life and pro one man one woman marriage; whether you're liberal or conservative, if you're not, then don't compare yourself or your candidates to Him.
August 12, 2008
1:58 p.m.
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Cowboy63 writes:
150 negative comments over this stupid article?
It says up front it was meant as a bad JOKE! I am NOT a member of Focus and would be the first to agree that this was a stupid move to begin with, but it was still a joke.
Are your lives really this empty and pathetic? No wonder atheists are always the most bitter people in the room with ZERO sense of humor. I pity you.
August 12, 2008
2:01 p.m.
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Ahab337 writes:
Doesn't...everybody find rain of Biblical proportions mildly humorous?
August 12, 2008
2:01 p.m.
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wow writes:
Jesus would have thrown up his hands in exasperation by now.
Or maybe just thrown up.
August 12, 2008
2:04 p.m.
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MarkR writes:
The problem with "Focus on the Family" isn't their view of Obama's policies or his character both of which I agree with their viewpoint. Their problem is their theology. They display a view of God that in some respects is unbiblical. The age of grace is what we presently live in. We can express our views and disagree with people and groups -no problem. The problem arises when we attack like the world does, and sully God's Name by presenting an unloving vision of who He is. "It's rains on the just and the unjust." To pray for rain at the Obama rally or convention is childish and represents a view of God that isn't graceful at all. God is opened armed to all and does not presently intervene to stop the will of man in these ways. He presently in the Person of the Holy Spirit draws men to the truth and they have the choice to accept or reject that truth. Coerce He doesn't. If American's vote for Obama then they vote for Obama- I won't and campaigning against him and for others is the choice I make. Demonization and utilization of a god who really doesn't exist is a stupid ploy. Get the truth out and proclaim it and let people decide.
August 12, 2008
2:12 p.m.
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wow writes:
Realist--
All irony about your name aside, He was not anti-sin. In fact, if one is to believe the guide book, He died so that our sins could be forgiven.
Waste of time if you ask me, seeing as how His followers jump at any opportunity to persue earthy persecution of those specific sinners.
Isn't His sacrifice a covenant with the Lord? Isn't it meant to ensure a private relationship between the sinner and God?
In other words, His political leanings, notwithstanding, Christ knew better than to involve himself in the particulars, and streamlined the Earth/Heaven transition.
Its taken care of, so the rest of us should stay out of it.
August 12, 2008
2:14 p.m.
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chayal writes:
Quit sniveling you Godless commies! Stop drinking the Obama kool aide long enough to have a sense of humor....geez!
August 12, 2008
2:23 p.m.
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chayal writes:
I hope with Obama everyone gets the socialist utopia they seem to so desperately want! I'm sure Lennon, Mao and Che would be proud. Long live the People's Revolution!!!
August 12, 2008
2:31 p.m.
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chayal writes:
I'm down for making fun of him too. Only, I don't remember Focus on the Family wishing death on anyone! Unless the tree huggers fear the acid rain from our carbon footprints might kill Obama or something.
August 12, 2008
2:31 p.m.
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lencho_elias writes:
realist7 I've never read a statment from Jesus regarding marriage or abortion....are you reading a different Bible then me??
As far as I see Jeusus preached about the cure not the symptoms. Sin in any form, sexual or other is a result of a distorted relationship with God. Jesus taught us that the root of all our problems is this relationship with God. When fundalmentalists preach judgment of sin and glorify righteousness they miss the point entirely and are decieving the very ones they claim to care for.
Judge and you shall be judged.
August 12, 2008
2:32 p.m.
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realist7 writes:
Wow--
Was Jesus anti sin? Boy that's an interesting discussion. I'd have to disagree. He wasn't anti sinner....but he didn't encourage sin. He hung out with sinners, He knew they'd sin, He knew we'd sin but that doesn't mean He approved. If you go down that road, then anything goes.
He IS antisin--or better stated; the sin antidote.
August 12, 2008
2:37 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
Wow, very god like. Must be for the GOP!
August 12, 2008
2:37 p.m.
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realist7 writes:
The "kind" liberal are hilarious--McCain dropping dead compares to a rainstorm. Yea sure.
Focus on the Family has helped more people than any of us can count. They've been a catalyst for healing, resotration and sanity. They're about as political as any Christian based org I've ever seen, but irregardless, they have done TONS of good, charitable work for people who really needed it. If that's fascism--then call me Mussolini.
August 12, 2008
2:48 p.m.
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wow writes:
He may not have approved of the sin, but he didn't condemn the sinner, or the sinner's friends and families. In fact, knowing that his Father would judge them, he sacrificed himself so that they could be saved from damnation. If they chose a lifestyle that He dissaproves of, it's covered by the repentance/forgiveness clause. Catholics perform the last rights for just that reason. You can be any kind of jerk, and seconds before death, repent and be saved.
So, again, regardless of His political leanings, by his sacrifice, He made it unnescesary to bash gays and pro-choicers. They will either repent and be forgiven, or they won't. Just like serial child molesters and old lady killers. God sees us all as equals.
The sacrifice of Christ made Focus on the Family an anachronism before they were even concieved.
August 12, 2008
2:49 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
This is the people who gave us Haggard?
August 12, 2008
2:53 p.m.
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realist7 writes:
DenverDan--
in the county I live in we still have "blue dog Democrats" who are pro life, pro conventional marriage and more. They have in the past and will continue to get my vote.
Painting with a broad brush is unwise.
August 12, 2008
2:55 p.m.
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wow writes:
Denver Dan, was that @ me? If not, then you are taking my name in vain. ;)
Thinking it's time to change it anyway, confusing as it is.
If that was @ me, I'm confused. All this god stuff is baking my noodle.
I'm not Christian, but I love debating them. I can speak their language well enough to be mistaken for one of them.
August 12, 2008
3 p.m.
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JesusLovesYou writes:
There will come a day when the rain will keep falling. There will come a day when sinners all over the world will stand in judgement. Oh, yes. There will come a day. But for now, please, dear God. Please, let there be rain on August 28th.
This message is paid for by the McCain Campaign Committee, brought to you by the Box Company: If you can put it in our boxes, we're not the Box Company.
August 12, 2008
3:12 p.m.
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JesusLovesYou writes:
I think Stuart Shepard is doing God's work. I mean, seriously. We should all thank him for having the courage to stand up against the Bleeding-heart-abortion loving-tree hugging-gay sex tolerating and probably loving as well-anti-american-pro-taliban-anti-family-pro-interracial relationship-vegetarian-hybrid car driving-pot smoking liberals in this country. Thank you, Stuart. I've prayed several times already today for rain. If it doesn't rain, then don't worry about it. Because, the rain will come. Oh yes...it will come.
August 12, 2008
3:16 p.m.
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freedomfighter1 writes:
Joking about prayer is not funny! May god have mercy on your souls.
Please God let there be a rapture so that you can gather all of your christians and get them off this planet.
Hey, just joking christian people, hope you have a sence of humor.
August 12, 2008
3:17 p.m.
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realist7 writes:
Wow-
your theological interpretations miss the mark--consistently. He DID condemn certain sinners--money changers and tax collectors at the temple as weel as the the Sadduces and Pharisees. He used words like white washed tombs and pits of vipers. He asked them "how can you ever escape damnation?" Sound familiar? Sound like a condemnation?
If you get a charge out of trying to quote and interpret things you don't believe--your noodle is not only baked--it's gone.
As far as us not condeming pro choice types, one need only look at the silence that prevailed initially in the late 30's when Adolph started his run and you'd have to agree with the premise that evil prevails when good people say nothing. Wouldn't you?
A heartbeat is present 20 days after conception--I doubt if an abortion has ever been performed that didn't stop a hearbeat. That's evil.
Post some of your real beliefs and let's talk about them.
August 12, 2008
3:18 p.m.
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wow writes:
I'm gonna giggle myself into a hemmoragic fit if it hails on the 28th, but only in the parking lot of Focus on the Family in the Springs.
It'd serve them right, dimples and broken windows in all those Lexus SUVs.
August 12, 2008
3:19 p.m.
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TmyGun writes:
"That you may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust."
See God can do as he wishes, he can make it rain on the just and unjust, the false prophet Obama!
August 12, 2008
3:20 p.m.
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FlyfishDude52 writes:
I pray for rain every day in Colorado. Remember, it is semi-arid.
I think it's a hoot to hear all the anti-everything being blogged.
And Focus on the Family may be fairly conservative in many ways but also does a whole lot of good for people who don't necessarily believe as they do. They don't discriminate. Why should you pass epithets that would condemn them?
August 12, 2008
3:24 p.m.
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BillAdkins writes:
So, if the sun shines bright on that given day, will Focus on the Family stop claiming God's on their side?
August 12, 2008
3:34 p.m.
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DenverDan writes:
What you haters dont know is, I will be there RAIN or Shine. It will be same results.
Obama 08
August 12, 2008
3:56 p.m.
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realist7 writes:
Froward69-
Fires need both fuel and ignition.....life requires a heartbeat and breath. A "rudimentary" heartbeat? That's comical. No pun intended, that's like being a little bit pregnant. It's a heartbeart or it isn't.
since you quote Genesis (and boy was that a stretch) there are many verses that support the idea that a fetus is a viable human. I won't bother to list them, but an obscure law in Exodus is interesting to me.
If two men were fighting and they knocked down a woman who was pregnant and the baby died--it was punishable by death.
(Exodus 21)
22"If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him, and he shall (N)pay as the judges decide.
23"But if there is any further injury, (O)then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life,
24(P)eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
August 12, 2008
3:59 p.m.
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