Oprah rents digs for week of DNC
S. Gaylord house reportedly costs $50,000 for 7 days
By Gargi Chakrabarty, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published August 7, 2008 at 10:40 p.m.
Oprah Winfrey hasn't confirmed her attendance at the convention.
Oprah Winfrey has rented a house in a historic neighborhood near Cherry Creek for the week of the Democratic National Convention, according to a source.
Rent for the house, which is on South Gaylord Street, is said to be $50,000 a week.
A spokeswoman for Winfrey said she didn't know if the talk show host had rented a place in Denver to entertain guests.
"Her attendance at the convention has not been confirmed," said the spokeswoman, who didn't want her name to be published.
Winfrey, who for years has been a close friend to U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, was among the first popular figures to endorse him.
She helped pull in enormous crowds during Obama's initial campaign events.
Obama will be formally nominated as the Democratic presidential candidate at the national convention in Denver later this month.
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August 8, 2008
1:32 a.m.
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arby writes:
I would have rented her my house for less than $50K and driven her to the Pepsi center every day in my pick up. This is the party of the working man?
August 8, 2008
3:14 a.m.
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angryman1n writes:
$50k to live in a house Gaylord???? I checked out google maps and zillow. These are small, yet overpriced, homes missing even the basics of DRIVE WAYS. Who would pay $50k for the right to park on the street? Even better who would pay the going rate of $400k for it?
I seriously hope Oprah is trying to save someone from foreclosure. And if I'm right... To the person renting their home, buy less JUNK. $400k ain't that much over 30 years.
August 8, 2008
4:26 a.m.
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my3pugs writes:
Yo angryman, there's no driveways because they have alleys. What kind of animal drives through the yard and parks in the house? Cars belong in their own little house in the back.
August 8, 2008
6:25 a.m.
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Mike846 writes:
angryman1, the Democrat Party hasn't been the party of the working man since the leftist Elitest takeover during the 1972 campaign. You remember "Acid, Amnesty, Abortion" don't you? The rich supporters of the Dems like to think they're supporting a more egalitarian view of politics, when in fact, come the Revolution, they will be the first "useful idiots" sent to the cattle cars by the ever-expanding nanny state, its dictatorial tenets increasing in tenor and breadth with each passing election. Wake up, folks. The Democrats are NOT your friends, and never will be. Mike
August 8, 2008
7:07 a.m.
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August 8, 2008
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August 8, 2008
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samsmargolis writes:
How's that old saying go...? "A fool and their money...."
August 8, 2008
8:03 a.m.
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mlbdenver writes:
Angryman- $400K would be a huge bargain, the charming urban homes on South Gaylord are worth far more than that. Not many foreclosures in that neighborhood either. Go back to your suburban tract house, you obviously don't get out much.
August 8, 2008
8:18 a.m.
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fluxtube writes:
Ordering anything under the sun to be delivered... With gas prices as they are... The republicans hate paying taxes, yet have no problem paying Oil subsidies.
Is "anything under the sun" delivered on a bicycle?
August 8, 2008
8:27 a.m.
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Mayor_Quimby writes:
Froward69: Though i live in Park Hill, i dont plan on living here when i have children (new republican recruits)! The schools of the city are terrible. Compare Cherry Creek and East High School. Well, there is no comparison. The Dumbocrats pander to their teachers unions so that we fall further down the world rankings. This is why Obama sends his kids to private schools while opposing vouchers. Ahh, the Dems, the party of the hypocrite!
August 8, 2008
8:35 a.m.
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CONative1975 writes:
And I used to really like Oprah.
August 8, 2008
8:38 a.m.
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kevin3 writes:
I'll bet one of the houses she is renting on s. Gaylord is not s. of Alameda!
August 8, 2008
8:50 a.m.
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kevin3 writes:
Governor, "Dems the party of hypocrites"? The Repukeagain Party supposedly believes in less government intrusion, yet believes the government should tell women what to do with their unborn fetuses (very hypocritical). Not to mention listening in on our phone calls without a search warrant.
August 8, 2008
8:56 a.m.
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Mayor_Quimby writes:
Froward: They will be socially adjusted when they are on welfare while my kids go to an ivy league school and are successful. This is why Obama lives in a gated community in a house he bought for $1.6 million. Dont you see that Obama will say anything to get elected while doing just the opposite or are you so indoctrinated by the left wing loony propaganda that you are blinded but the crap you write. Good luck with all that.
August 8, 2008
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Mayor_Quimby writes:
Kevin: Why stop at the fetus? If my kid at two years old is interfering too much in my life, can i "abort" him then? Sooo dumb and barbaric you people are!! Yes, the republicans after 2001 in congress changed their tune, that's why they are no longer in power. We'll get the congress Newt created in 1994 back soon. The congress that does something unlike this stellar one we currently have. The congress that reduced spending so we had surpluses and that reformed welfare. That's what we need. This congress, in two years, has increased the minimum wage and ...........
August 8, 2008
9:05 a.m.
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mlbdenver writes:
kevin3- If its on South Gaylord, its south of Alameda.
August 8, 2008
9:14 a.m.
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coloradovet writes:
I can't affort a 50K a week home, but I get to stay in a Holiday Inn Express!!
August 8, 2008
9:17 a.m.
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kevin3 writes:
mlbdenver-Just n. of Alameda, there is a tiny enclave of huge mansions that is hidden from 99.99% of us peasants, which I believe includes Gaylord St. S. Gaylord is anything s. of Ellsworth.
August 8, 2008
9:20 a.m.
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jamesdenver writes:
Is there a reason these comments aren't moderated and jabs like "fried chicken" are allowed to remain up?
It really doesn't give good credence to a major daily newspaper when any idiot, myself included, can post whatever nonsense they want and its left up for the entire world to see.
http://www.futuregringo.com/index.php...
August 8, 2008
9:23 a.m.
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kevin3 writes:
Governor- You will not have to worry about aborting your kid. He will abort himself when he decides to fight in the next unnecessary war the Repukeagains get us into and he gets killed. How barbaric is that?
August 8, 2008
9:29 a.m.
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August 8, 2008
9:30 a.m.
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T1anda writes:
Oprah Winfreeeee is she still around?? I watched her show once in the ninetys. Her inflated ego and sense of self importance was laughable!
August 8, 2008
9:32 a.m.
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mlbdenver writes:
kevin3- I am familiar with the enclave you refer to, however none of those homes is on South Gaylord (which dead-ends at Alameda). Those homes are all on Alameda.
August 8, 2008
10:02 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
Gov
Can’t believe you meet someone to have your kids!
Obama 08
August 8, 2008
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August 8, 2008
10:33 a.m.
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rg writes:
I have a doubt that she paid that much money; however, I applaud her for spending that much money. She has money and she may as well spend it because that is the only way to take it with her on her world change. Richard Grimes, deicide. http://www.geocities.com/r22037/html
Deicide Corner: “Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburger.”--Abbie Hoffman
August 8, 2008
10:42 a.m.
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DemsAreDumb writes:
Denver is not 100% Dem as you may "think" froward. Get away from the us versus them attitude. It will help decrease the amount of hate in your blood. Also, the suburbs are becoming more Democratic too. I personally think its because the value of houses in the suburbs are decreasing while the homes nearest to the city proper are increasing. Your blanket stereotyping is endemic of far left liberals around here. Its really sad too.
August 8, 2008
10:55 a.m.
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Star writes:
I may be a Republican, but you gotta love Oprah! I may have to change my party affiliation!!
August 8, 2008
10:59 a.m.
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Reason writes:
"never mind the haters."
What are you even talking about? Are you referring to the haters at the "right-wing" RMN that won't even run a story about people questioning Obama's dedication to helping out the under-priviledged minority communities, despite the fact that it was run on all the national news networks last weekend? The haters that run some pablum piece about Oprah, like any non-jack@ss cares about the comings and goings of celebrities?
August 8, 2008
11:04 a.m.
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Hourman writes:
mlbdenver... get a map. Anything south of Ellsworth is "S. Gaylord."
August 8, 2008
11:05 a.m.
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AC writes:
mlbdenver writes:
"If its on South Gaylord, its south of Alameda."
Not so. Two very nice homes on S Gaylord north of Alameda within the country club.
August 8, 2008
11:16 a.m.
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coloradovet writes:
Under Bush's tax cuts, there has been a giant "trickle up" of wealth that hasn't gone back into the economy. Instead, it got locked up in these 50K dollar a week homes, yachts, land, and other assets. Bush actually created the conditions that forced the govermnet to squeeze the poor and subsidize tax breaks for the rich! Yeah, Obama might restore the Clinton era taxes back on the wealthy, but at least that money goes back into the ecomomy. We had a budget surplus and a thriving economy under Clinton and it is the model we should strive for in the future. Bush created the greatest deficit in history, no wonder our interest rates rose and the housing market collapsed.
August 8, 2008
11:18 a.m.
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jugdish writes:
Oprah will have front seat to watch Hillary Clinton try to wrestle the nomination away from Obama. It will be fun to watch.
August 8, 2008
11:21 a.m.
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AC writes:
Hourman writes:
"get a map. Anything south of Ellsworth is "S. Gaylord."
Does your map show the 100 block of S Gaylord? If so, then you have a map no one else does. Gaylord doesn't exist south of 1st Avenue to Alameda, and there is no Ellsworth Ave between Downing and University, because the Denver Country Club land is there. But a "private street" that is S Gaylord exists for about a half block north of Alameda behind the walls, where some homes are on the south side of the country club.
August 8, 2008
11:36 a.m.
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SlouchingTowardBoulder writes:
There are two Americas in the minds of liberals like Oprah, not one.
One America that does the work, another that reaps the reward through income redistribution.
One America that pays the taxes, another America that gets the entitlements.
One America - middle-class America - whose needs Democrats have long forgotten, another America - narrow-interest America which we like to call Hollywood - whose every wish is Howard Dean's command.
One America that is struggling to get by but still works and eschews government hand-outs, another America that can buy anything it wants and pay $ 50,000 for a few day's lodging whilst directing hard-working Americans to support those that won't work.
One America that is truly color-blind and doesn't want a demotion or promotion based on color, another America that finds racism and victimhood in every situation.
August 8, 2008
11:39 a.m.
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DenverDan writes:
Froward69 For VP...
You are eating them up.
August 8, 2008
11:51 a.m.
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Rallyracer7 writes:
Wow, they are supposed to be the party of the people and she is going to blow $50,000 on a house for a week. And they are trying to put a Windfall tax on Oil companies......hmmmmmm.... I think they need a leason in Economics. If you put a windfall tax on Oil Companies, they are going to raise the price of oil... IDIOTS!!!!! Oprah, spend the money someplace else, $50,000 is obsurd.
August 8, 2008
11:51 a.m.
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SlouchingTowardBoulder writes:
The Democrats are laughable. It's always "BIG OIL"!! and "THEY'RE DISMANTLING SOCIAL SECURITY"! Dems excel in "scare politics". Always have - check out Andrew Jackson and Tammany Hall - now there's a history to be proud of.
Heh, heh.
August 8, 2008
11:52 a.m.
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HippyLippy writes:
A democrat (down with high CEO pay and corporate profits and all) paying 50 grand for a house for one week. What will she say to the poor working class folks....."I feel your pain"? LOL
August 8, 2008
11:57 a.m.
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Rallyracer7 writes:
Big_D, Do you think i'm a GOP idiot? HAHAHAHAHAHA.... I'm sure you are just sore that your party has as many flaws as the others, you are just unwilling to come out and believe it.... I am for no party, but I am for what is right.... and a windfall tax will only make things harder on those people already struggling.
August 8, 2008
12:14 p.m.
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me2 writes:
In all the arguing over the address, did it ever ocure to you that the paper or the spokesperson for Oprah didn't give the exact location because some black hating, woman hating, democrat hating, trouble maker might cause a problem?
August 8, 2008
12:15 p.m.
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coloradovet writes:
SlouchingTowardBoulder, when you pay $4 a gallon for gas, where do you think that money goes? Exxon made $90 billion in a quarter. $85 billion of that went back to the shareholders. The top 1% own 80% of the shares. Hmmmm, yet we still are in a deficit? We still can't pay for our wars? There's something funny going on here, isn't there slouch? Seems to me that there are two americas: One that works there butts off and doesn't see any money at the end of the month, and one that doesn't work (the Paris Hiltons and Cindi McCains of the world) and does see all that money at the end of the month.
August 8, 2008
12:18 p.m.
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Lil_Taz writes:
WOW!!
August 8, 2008
12:22 p.m.
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COLibertarian writes:
Exactly Taz!!!!
Wonder if Froward and Big_D are on the invitee list for the big party Oprah is putting on?
August 8, 2008
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August 8, 2008
12:43 p.m.
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mlbdenver writes:
Thanks, AC. Glad someone else here knows how to read a map. (Not that I needed one to begin with, I know the area). According to public record there are no homes located at any address between 0 and 300 S. Gaylord. If there is a private street in there named Gaylord, it doesn't show up on the tax rolls.
August 8, 2008
12:45 p.m.
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O_TRAIN writes:
So....someone with the name "Demsaredumb" tells a Democrat (Froward) that he shouldn't use "blanket sterotypes" - that is priceless.
No, I'm not a Democrat, just trying to identify the trolls in the punchbowl.
August 8, 2008
12:59 p.m.
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coloradovet writes:
Rallyracer7, how is placing the tax burden back on those who earn the most taking money from the rich. It's more like getting money back from the rich. You got it all wrong pal. It's the rich taking money from the poor in tax breaks dufis! Even Warren Buffet (the richest american) said it's wrong the he pays less in taxes than his secretary. Your completely drunk from drinking republican kool-aid.
August 8, 2008
1:03 p.m.
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Rallyracer7 writes:
Froward,
Can't take a joke? Looks like someone is a little bit upset that their candidate's name is so much like the terrorists. Learn to laugh a little, and take the truth for what it is. The "ignorance" you say ruins my argument is a joke. I have not once said I am for McSame, or the Republican party. I am an independent that does not think we have a politician alive today that could really make a difference. I mearly was talking about Oil prices, and that the windfall tax while giving back money to those who do need it, will be gone as soon as the price of oil skyrockets and then there will be more complaints. Barack Obama and John McCain both need to open their eyes to what is going on, and see that our energy independence can only be achieved by the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA working together. Neither of them see that, and inflating your tires, is not an energy plan, it is a public service announcment.
OKEY DOKEY????????
August 8, 2008
1:06 p.m.
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Rallyracer7 writes:
Yep ColoVet, i'm sure drunk from the Pub's Kool-aid.... Have you read anything I've posted? Are you for raising the price of gas? Have i said once i'm a republican? Can you understand cause and effect? I don't know how Warren Buffet is paying less in taxes than his secretary, but I sure do know that some people i know who are "Rich" like Warren are paying more in taxes than you make in a year. And i'm pretty sure that means they are paying more in taxes then you are.
August 8, 2008
1:10 p.m.
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Rallyracer7 writes:
Big_D,
I will agree to disagree with you on this, only because I know nothing I say will change your mind, and nothing you say will change mine. I am an I-N-D-E-P-E-N-D-E-N-T, spell it out... That in no way means I'm part of the GOP..... Offensive terms or not, I like to have a little fun while I post, and see what RMN might think is offensive. Sorry if i offended you....
August 8, 2008
1:30 p.m.
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Rallyracer7 writes:
Please, keep attacking me, and as for the video game name, I'm still young, yes, but old enough to know that unfounded plans by Obama to increase taxes on companies that are, at this time, making a bigger profit, is the shortest term solution possible. The profits being made by these companies is going directly back to drilling and R&D. These profits have enabled the oil and gas companies to expand their range of drilling both economically and environmentally. When Katrina rocked New Orleans, not a drop of oil was spilled in the Gulf. What does that tell you? That drilling and production are the safest they have every been, and because of one wreck, which was a captains fault, not Exxon's has everyone scared out of their pants that it will happen again. Do i think we are addicted to Oil, you bet your A$$ I do, am I for renewables, sure as hell am, but do I think that putting a tax on a company that for the next 10+ years will still be the leader in fuel for our society is going to help anyone out, NO... As for grammar Big_D, I'm sorry I'm not a high school english teacher, a few grammar mistakes on a post is forgiven. Voting for someone who does not understand that "saying something" and "doing something" are two very different things, Obama & McCain, cannot be.
August 8, 2008
1:50 p.m.
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COLibertarian writes:
Yes Big_D the biggest threats of violence we have for the DNC are the Right Wing nuts. Your not afraid but the rest of your post states your fears of what might happen by whom.
Unless Spagnolo(sp) is being dunked in the S. Platte right now by Rev. Bible Thumper, and has submitted the change of party affilliation, I think R68 is much more a threat than any Right wing conservative.
Truly, the civility you have shown to me and others posting (especially us independents) is so overwhelming that I cant imagine Oprah, JT, Crosby and others are not personally bringing a re-enforced Limo to pick you up and escort you personally to the parties..........
August 8, 2008
1:51 p.m.
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O_TRAIN writes:
Rallyracer - not a drop of oil was spilled due to Katrina???
http://www.geotimes.org/feb06/feature...
I'd already given up on you when you didn't know the difference between a privilege and a right on the thread last week regarding driving.
August 8, 2008
2:20 p.m.
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AC writes:
mlbdenver writes:
"Thanks, AC. Glad someone else here knows how to read a map. (Not that I needed one to begin with, I know the area). According to public record there are no homes located at any address between 0 and 300 S. Gaylord. If there is a private street in there named Gaylord, it doesn't show up on the tax rolls."
Click on the map on the assessor's web site. What used to be the 200 blocks of S York and S Gaylord are now labeled "private streets" (apparently more private than the Polo Club "private streets" that are still public streets!) The houses that front on them have Alameda Avenue addresses in the assessor records, but they face old Gaylor and York.
August 8, 2008
2:46 p.m.
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OhBrother writes:
I don't care what Oprah drops 50k on, she earned her money and should spend it any way she likes. Why get all sad because she paid that much for rent? Oprah could buy every home on S.Gaylord street with her pocket change if she wanted to and still have enough left over to purchase a small country
"How's that old saying go...? "A fool and their money...."
Sure- most fools manage to become millionaires by working hard and pushing themselves past unknown levels of success, right? Last time I checked Oprah wasn't exactly hurting for money. Sour grapes anyone?
August 8, 2008
3:25 p.m.
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timeandagain writes:
Wow. Perhaps the most disturbing thing I have heard all week is the Froward69 has children...
Imagine being dealt that hand in life....
As for Oprah's rental, thank god one of the Democrats will be leaving some money in Denver. The vast majority of attendees (in typical Democrat fashion) will do nothing but sponge off of our community.
Just like every other convention year, the Democrat's convention will have a Negative Economic Impact on the host city and the Republican convention will bring a Positive Economic Impact. Gee, I wonder why that is the case??
August 8, 2008
3:30 p.m.
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InHisName writes:
I have been trying to call in all favors for tickets to this event. This is the event to attend this summer, for the Democrats and Republicans alike!!
August 8, 2008
4:03 p.m.
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Reason writes:
Bu, bu bu, give me that mic back, I don't trust a young black man to even hold the mic on his own, cuz, bu, bu, bu, I'm a slick Illinois politician, Barack Ostutterbug.
Obama '08
August 8, 2008
5:01 p.m.
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navymom writes:
Big_D writes : "A windfall tax doesn't affect the price of oil, it is a commodity stupid."
How naive is this? Big_D evidently does not understand economics. Oil companies, just like any other company, are in business to make a profit for the stockholder/owner. If any company is taxed, those taxes, windfall or not, are passed on to the consumer in the form of higher prices. To use your words without the name calling, it's economics.
Yes, oil is a commodity. What does that have to do with your argument that it does not affect the price of oil. By definition in Merriam Webster a commodity is "
1: an economic good: as a: a product of agriculture or mining b: an article of commerce especially when delivered for shipment <commodities futures> c: a mass-produced unspecialized product <commodity chemicals> <commodity memory chips>
2 a: something useful or valued <that valuable commodity patience>; also : thing, entity b: convenience, advantage
3obsolete : quantity, lot
4: a good or service whose wide availability typically leads to smaller profit margins and diminishes the importance of factors (as brand name) other than price
5: one that is subject to ready exchange or exploitation within a market <stars as individuals and as commodities of the film industry — Film Quarterly>"
Except for the 3rd obsolete definition, all these definition deal with something of value that one person or company owns.
If I own a gravel pit and gravel is a commodity, then I have something of value that I can sell. If I am in business to make a profit, then I am going to up the price of gravel to cover any taxes and still leave me the amount of profit that I desire. If the government comes in and says that I am making too much profit and raise my taxes, then I am going to up my price to cover those taxes. If I am not allowed to have a profit margin comparable to other industries, then I am being singled out and discriminated against.
It is the same for the oil and gas industry. The oil and gas industry does not have any higher profit margin than other industries, yet they are being singled out as an industry that hates the American consumer because they make money.
What about the interest that people pay to credit card companies? Interest can be raised to 20% or more because someone is late with a payment or goes over their credit line. Not only the interest on that account, but other accounts that a person has never been late on can raise interest rates.
August 8, 2008
5:02 p.m.
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navymom writes:
The fact of the matter is the oil and gas industry have no higher profit margins than many other industries.
Profit margins of several industries:
Closed-End Funds such as the S&P 500, Blue Chip fund, and others have the highest profit margin with an average of 50.1%
Application Software - 23.3%
Internet Information Providers such as Google - 20.8%
Pharmaceuticals - 16.4%
Steel and Iron - 15.8%
Railroads - 13.5%
Banks - between 8.2% & 15.5% depending on region
Electric - 10.1% (with one wind company at 33.5%)
Oil companies - between 8.8% (big oil companies) & 11.9% (independent companies).
Here is a link to check this out: http://biz.yahoo.com/p/121qpmd.html
Just why should oil companies be penalized and these other industries should not? Don't say that people have to drive, because people also have to use electricity. People use steel and iron when they buy products made out of them or made with tools or machines made out of them. I don't know too many people who don't bank and at some point have credit cards, mortgages or something where they pay interest. Any one on here uses computer products, software, Google, etc. If you buy lumber or many other products, it was probably at some point on the railroad.
The point I'm making is that if you start saying that one industry is making too much money and must pay more taxes, then it will have to be applied to other industries that make just as much of a percentage and in many instances just as much $$ profit.
Doing this will result in more businesses leaving the United States and taking jobs overseas where they don't have to pay as much tax.
Come on to Denver, Oprah, Obama, Hillary, et al, leave some of your wealth in Colorado and then take your liberal economic views back home.
August 8, 2008
7:25 p.m.
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foolat5280 writes:
There is a brand new $1.4M house that is on the market a few blocks north of Old South Gaylord shops. They have been bringing in lots of furnishings over the last few days and its my guess that this is the house. I looked it up on Zillow and there are no houses with a South Gaylord address north of Alameda, so it must be between Alameda and Louisiana (not much south of Louisiana).
August 9, 2008
1:57 a.m.
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angryman1n writes:
I'd just like to point out that Zillow says the average home cost in this area is only $418K, and that includes several homes values at or near $1M.
Hmmm.... wonder what the surrouding area is like? Hmmm... wonder if the bubble will pop?
Oh and I can bike to work within minutes, get anything I want delivered, and pay half as much for just as nice a place in my suburban Aurora "tract" house. -- The dollar you bank today is the fiver you pull out tomorrow.
Gaylord area = OVER RATED!! !!! OVER RATED!! !!! OVER RATED!! !!!
August 9, 2008
2:30 a.m.
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angryman1n writes:
Good god! I'm sure glad I posted that initial comment. Damn this was funny.
Grow up people. Stop w/ the pointless name calling. You sound like a bunch of five year olds that just had their favorite toy take away. (and yes I do realize the irony of this statement)
August 9, 2008
2:32 a.m.
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angryman1n writes:
Sudden thought. Who plows your alleys? Seems to me like that would be a private driveway. Hope ya'll have fun digging youselves out twice.
August 9, 2008
2:57 a.m.
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angryman1n writes:
Froward... Shut up! Don't you have something better to do? You sound like a wannabe baller. Maybe you should hit the court. Who knows you might even make the Nuggets' roster?
God knows they need to start from scratch, and Karl admitted it when he traded Camby away.
August 9, 2008
3:32 a.m.
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angryman1n writes:
Froward... Most of our founding fathers died pennyless because they created a confederacy. The weak central government allowed the States to create their own form of currency. Thus, none were valuable. America is experimenting w/ at least its fourth form of government.
- confederacy (1776-1788)
- representative federalist republic (1788-1933; me like)
- federal crutch (1933-present)
- global confederacy (trending)
I'm sure they got along fine. Just no where near today's standards.