LINCICOME: Summer beckons for Avalanche
By Bernie Lincicome, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Published April 30, 2008 at 12:10 a.m.
The light pole banners outside the Pepsi Center urge the Avs, "Play On!" What was meant as a command is now a wish.
Backs against the wall, or backs against the boards as it were, is not the ideal place to play hockey. But it does bring clarity to the mission.
"We know the hole we're in," said Avs center Paul Stastny, adding depth to the problem.
This is not a hole as much as it is a crater, sheer-sided and slippery. This is how it is: Only two teams in Stanley Cup history have ever come back from 0-3, and the last time the Avs had a chance to do so, they surrendered Game 4 with one foot out the door.
"A tough loss, obviously," said Joe Sakic. "They deserve to be up 3-0. They've outskated us and outworked us. We played better but it is not enough. We still lost the game."
The Avs did as they claimed they needed to, score first to get some momentum, to churn up some home enthusiasm.
But no sooner had Cody McLeod redirected a shot past Chris Osgood for the Avs than the Red Wings tied and took the lead on goals by Pavel Datsyuk and Johan Franzen, neither of whom should have had so much space to shoot.
The Avs never led again, though two power-play goals by Andrew Brunette and a furious third period kept the issue in doubt, what may be the last, best moments of an otherwise unremarkable playoff against the old enemy from Detroit.
The Red Wings seemed to gather around the Avs' net as if Jose Theodore was giving away free samples, which he was in a way. But this time, after four goals allowed, he was permitted to remain in the game.
It does no good now to replace Theodore with Peter Budaj because it would be like closing the body after the autopsy.
Before Tuesday night's game, the chore was daunting, to win four of five from the best team in hockey. Now it is four in a row. And now it is nearly impossible, a mind-set that had settled onto the Avs even before the game.
"Oh, we think we're able to beat 'em," said defenseman Kurt Sauer after the morning skate. "We only have two more chances."
Sauer was talking about winning one game, not a series. And one win may be the only solace for the Avs, to know they have played the Wings half as well as the Nashville Predators did.
For the Avs to blame injuries or health as they might is of no use because the games are played with those who can play them. And if the flu that caught Theodore early, or if at all, and the recurring ailments of Peter Forsberg, seem so much bad luck, what is also true is that even at full strength, the Avs would need extraordinary good fortune to beat a team that is, man for man, vastly superior.
"It's still a rivalry," insisted Detroit winger Darren McCarty. "It's still a competition. We've got a lot of respect for those guys. They've got a lot of talent."
Nice of him to say, but compared to the Red Wings, the Avs' top talent is a bit beyond the sell date, and Detroit's is just coming ripe. Henrik Zetterberg, 27, is a star ready to shine for a long time, as is center Datsyuk, 29. Franzen, 30, has become the star of the series.
And, however slight the consolation, it took the best of the Red Wings to whip the Avs, all the goals by those three.
The Avs are supposed to be a young team, or were headed that way before getting Forsberg back and Adam Foote and Ruslan Salei.
In fact, even including 46-year-old Chris Chelios, of those players who have been on the ice in the playoffs so far, the average age of Detroit is 29.8 compared with 29.1 for the Avs. Take Chelios out and they are exactly the same.
What was needed was the astonishing Theodore of the first round against the Wild, and the extra consideration that Forsberg would naturally cause.
And the fallacy of Forsberg in the first place is this: The Avs were trying to get better by adding one Swede and the Red Wings already had eight.
The added losses of Wojtek Wolski and Scott Hannan and, for Game 3, Ryan Smyth, and then - after the first period - also Stastny, it was as if the vital Avs were outpatients and the Wings were as forceful as the team that had half the starters in the West All-Star Game (compared to one Av sub, Stastny) should be.
"We don't want to worry about health," said Avs coach Joel Quenneville.
Oh, there is much more to worry about now. Like whether to pack for the summer on the way to Game 4 or after.
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April 30, 2008
1:38 a.m.
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bookworm69 writes:
Is it just me or does anyone else have a problem with the whole Theodore being sick and still playing for the first two games? This year Quenville has done some strange things, but this one takes the cake. If he knew Theodore was sick, why did he start him!! If Theodore lied and said he was good to go, well guess what???? I think you should go, AWAY!!!! Any athlete who plays at less than 100% in a playoff game against the best team in hockey this year, but does not man it up and sit out, needs to be fired. If Quenville did know then he should go too. If a real world employee/manager combo did the same thing, they would be in the unemployment line the next day. And yet Quenville and Theodore did it TWICE!!!! This little episode cost us badly. I dont blame these losses on the loss of Stastny, Smyth, Wolski and Svatos. I do not think the Avs would have been down 0-2 coming home had they started Budaj. Giguere made some great moves and now he needs to do 2 more, LOL. I think your columns a always good reads, thanks for keeping me informed.
April 30, 2008
6:57 a.m.
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originalsix writes:
It seems your column has changed. what happened to changing Hockeytown to Loserville??
April 30, 2008
7:01 a.m.
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hockeygoddess8 writes:
Tho I'm a Red Wing Fan and I understand how you feel bookworm. It's the whole hockey playoff mentality about playing hurt or injured. This isn't baseball where a hangnail is enough to make a player quit. A lot of the players play when there not 100% in the playoffs, there's a lot of pressure to do so.Hell alot of the players play with broken bones. If Theodore DID NOT play and they lost then every one would have questioned his heart. And most people who come down with the flu or cold knows that you think your doing good then all of a sudden bam it hits you! And no offense to Budaj but he came in when they were behind and he wasn't expected to win the game for them as Theodore was. He DID play awesome against the Wild but he shouldn't have to carry the whole team every round, just steal the occasional game. The injuries suck (we lost Kronwell and Schnieder last year) but it's up to the team not just the goalie. At least the game was close but it's time for the team to step up. The Wings WERE the President Cup's winner so let's not be too surprised if they have a few wins. Sorry but GO WINGS111
April 30, 2008
8:02 a.m.
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octopus writes:
The Wings have been pilloried for every playoff-loss since around 1993, and the national media never mentions the "lucky bounces," or the "staggering injury toll," the way they've been excusing the Avs this series. Why is that?
Credit to the Avs for playing a furious third period last night, and coming very close to tying it up. This series has not been the romp some Wingnuts have been proclaiming it, aside from game 2. Still, it's 3-0, and all over but the splatting...you know what I'm talking about, there.
April 30, 2008
8:14 a.m.
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farsidefan writes:
The Wings are a better team top to bottom. They are playing terrific hockey at the time when it counts the most. This is hard to say as a longtime Avs fan :(
April 30, 2008
8:37 a.m.
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WingNut1967 writes:
LINCICOME............. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHA.... What a DOPE...
This sure is a different article than the one we read before the series started.... Loserville, nice call there....
Sorry Avs fans, no disrespect intended to any of you, but this sports writer of yours... And I thought Sharp was pathetic...
April 30, 2008
9:06 a.m.
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mayorofhockeytown writes:
Avs in six, Bernie? Go have lunch with Barry Melrose and Keith Jones. Crow is being served at noon. This is what happens when Hockeytown meets Turtletown.
April 30, 2008
9:07 a.m.
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pcordoba writes:
Stop to blame the guys.
Every game someone made mistakes, but Q? He has all the responsibility. He is the coach and he failed all the year.
Sakic show his age. Foppa is injured.I see clouds in the future.
First, Q has to take his stuffs and go out from Colorado. Granato must join him.
First, the Avs need a winner coach.
Then, the organization need to hire a superstar as a center or defense.
April 30, 2008
9:38 a.m.
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WingNut1967 writes:
But you have that in Forsy don't ya??? a Super Star center???
Come on now Avs Fans, in the begining, I was hearing all this great stuff about your team, and how much you all loved them. I was also hearing how great you all are as fans, and the support you give your team is second to none.... So you have now left me with this question... Don't you guys still Love them??? Why aren't you supporting your team???
I would still be Loving my Wings if the tables were reversed... In fact, I have been Loving them Win or Lose since around 1981... Thats called a True Fan...
I'm very sorry, but, I think there are a bunch of Bandwagoners in Colorado. And how very quick you are to Jump...
So I don't really understand, how you can compair yourselfs as Fans, To Detroit Fans...
April 30, 2008
9:51 a.m.
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Pjozzie30 writes:
I can't help but crack a smile as Bernie eats his Crow. To all the real Avs fans...the ones who feel sick to their stomach as I do when teetering on the brink, hang in there, I certainly know how you feel. But to all those Avs fans who have nothing better to do then point out a struggling Detroit economy and pick on one of the hardest-working cities in America, I'm now lauging at your expense.
And all this from a guy in Chicago.
April 30, 2008
9:59 a.m.
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jquenneville writes:
I've arranged the following tee times at Bear Creek Golf Course on Sunday:
7:00 a.m.: Sakic, Forsberg, Hejduk, Smyth
7:08 a.m.: Stastny, Wolski, Brunette, Arnason
7:16 a.m.: Svatos, Jones, Guite, Richardson
7:24 a.m.: McCormick, McLeod, Laperriere, Hensick
7:32 a.m.: Theodore, Budaj, Foote, Salei
7:40 a.m.: Hannan, Liles, Sauer, Leopold
Hopefully you won't sleep through your tee time like you've slept through the Red Wings series.
April 30, 2008
10:58 a.m.
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AML128 writes:
WingNut1967 I was going to say the same thing. I'm a fan of the Red Wings no matter what, win or lose. We've been in the Avs fans shoes before...I have two sayings when our team is down. 1. You can't win them all. 2. There's always next year. So quick these fans are to kick their team when they're down. I actually feel a little bad for the Avs...well maybe not that bad. GO WINGS!
April 30, 2008
11:18 a.m.
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eam0415 writes:
AML128 is right. A true fan loves the team no matter what. Wings fans, in my opinion, are the most loyal die-hard fans.
Go Wings!!!
April 30, 2008
11:24 a.m.
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bringontheavsholes writes:
Who Sucks?
April 30, 2008
11:36 a.m.
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karpat74 writes:
HEY HEY HOCKEYTOWN!!!!
April 30, 2008
12:02 p.m.
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rodney writes:
OTHER THAN TODAY, EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE READ OF YOURS CONCERNING THE DETROIT REDWINGS HAS BEEN INSULTING AND NOT AT ALL OBJECTIVE. LAST NIGHT I WAS INVITED TO WATCH THE GAME IN A PRIVATE BOX (something i have never done before)WOW WHAT A PRIVALIGE. DURING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM SOME JERK SHOUTED "REDWINGS SUCK". DO YOU BELIEVE THAT? DURING OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM. BERNIE I IMEDIATELY THOUGHT OF YOU. WAS THAT YOU ? YOUR PAST COMENTS ARE LIKE PASSING GAS. NOISE,ARROMA BUT SELDOM ANY SUBSTANCE.
April 30, 2008
12:48 p.m.
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willee writes:
You sure have a different tone, Bernie, dont you? Flip-flopped from your original "LOSERVILLE" thesis, eh? Whats wrong - are you that bitter that you have to attack one of the most heralded cities in NHL history for no reason other than your team being mediocre at best?
Your poor Loserville rant fired us Wings fans up the same way that your wannabe goon fired up our bench by throwing the octopus at a senior citizen before the first drop. Classless.
It will not be long before your editors and readers figure out you are a one-dimensional hack that pushes revenue generators away instead of bringing them in...
or you could do everyone a favor and just start calling in with the flu.
April 30, 2008
1:17 p.m.
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CluelessInDenver writes:
Bernie.....how's the crow? Tasty?
The tone of your articles during this series has gone from insulting the people of Detroit...to "just wait till Forsberg comes back"....to slamming the Avs (and every other major sports team in Denver)....to FINALLY ACKNOWLEDGING reality.
The reality being that the Red Wings are simply a much better team than the Avs. The 1st round win over the Wild doesn't look so impressive now does it?
Maybe next season the Avs can complete the 're-build' and lure Patty Waa-waa and the Turtle out retirement.....
GO RED WINGS!!!!!!
April 30, 2008
2:18 p.m.
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BigJohn5 writes:
DEEEZZZZZ NNUUUUTTTTZZZZZ!!!
April 30, 2008
2:21 p.m.
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BigJohn5 writes:
Hey look everyone...it's Avsin6...how you doing buddy. Aren't you the moron who was posting on the first article from ole Bernie before the series started? We were all getting worried because you never showed up after the night of the first game. Good to see you're on the mend.
April 30, 2008
2:29 p.m.
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April 30, 2008
2:38 p.m.
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wingsfan1 writes:
Haha Avsin6. DOUCHE!! Don't bitch and moan for too long now. You shouldn't be surprised that the Wings are FAR SUPERIOR to your Analmunchers...I mean...Avalanche. HAHAHAHAHA! Say whatever you want to me or anybody else. The only thing that matters is that the Wings are up 3-0 and are about to close out this series. HA!
April 30, 2008
4:06 p.m.
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AML128 writes:
Oh AvsIn6 you must be running out of things to say. Is that the best you can do "your world will turn when they don't win the cup"? You're the one who needs to get a life...or maybe a better team to cheer on. I guess once your team is done for the season you can always tune into ESPN to watch classic hockey games that are replayed...maybe you'll learn a thing or two about hockey after all. Do you think any of the Avs games will be played? Probably not. I'm sure you'll see a few Red Wing games. Oh and when the Wings do win the cup this year make sure you pay attention to what "HOCKEYTOWN" is all about.
April 30, 2008
4:30 p.m.
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April 30, 2008
4:43 p.m.
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AML128 writes:
FYI AvsIn6 - the entire state of Michigan isn't unemployed or on welfare. I actually work for the 19th biggest company in the world here in the Great Lakes State. What is it that you do? Wait let me guess...you pick of dog sh!t for a living. You must be proud. Go stick your head in the ground like an ostrich. You're pathetic words aren't getting my panties twisted up, they actually make me laugh because they only point our how idiotic you are.
April 30, 2008
5:21 p.m.
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Octi_puss writes:
AvsIn6 you're a tool
April 30, 2008
5:26 p.m.
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Octi_puss writes:
B-O-O-H-O-O :(
April 30, 2008
5:28 p.m.
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Octi_puss writes:
By the way... I think it's time to change your screen name to AvsGoIn4!
April 30, 2008
5:29 p.m.
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rodney writes:
AVSIN6 TWO MORE POINTS ON YOUR IQ AND YOU`D BE A PLANT YOU SURE TALK ABOUT FAGGS ALOT. WHAT IS YOUR REAL NAME? PETER PUFFER ?
April 30, 2008
5:29 p.m.
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AML128 writes:
AvsIn6 go fist yourself. I was only pointing our the company thing because everyone is so quick to say that Michigan is in so much trouble. I'm only replying because I think your assinine words are great entertainment. You have a lot of pent up anger don't you? The funny thing about this whole thing is it's going to be something to look back on and laugh about. Your words don't bother me at all. I bet you were the bully in school weren't you? Or were you the geek who was bullied? Maybe you're just a sore loser. Either way it doesn't matter...you'll just be a brief memory once the series is over.
April 30, 2008
5:41 p.m.
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HockeyFan69 writes:
Good grief, these AVS fans are a funny bunch. "I Hate Hockey!!!" they say. Waaa! You sound like my Kids. I lived in both Denver and Detroit for a while. The bandwagon fans (and most of them are) would always debate whether Denver was the real hockeytown. One time a wing fan called up the local sports radio station and put it eloquently. He said there is a Red Wings bar in downtown Denver (I can't remember the name, but it was sometimes on the local news), but here sure as hell is no Avs bar in downtown Detroit. Amen to that, my brothers. Just kicking the snot out of the Avs makes the post season worthwhile. It's hilarious that 90% of the comments in their own paper are from the real hockey fans of Detroit. GO WINGS!!!!
April 30, 2008
5:46 p.m.
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Octi_puss writes:
REAL FANS 4 LIFE! GO WINGS!
April 30, 2008
5:48 p.m.
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Octi_puss writes:
AvsIn6...no other team's fans are such babies so we won't have anyone to pick on! I think we'll still update you babies when we move into the next series!
April 30, 2008
5:49 p.m.
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AML128 writes:
We will miss you AvsIn6. We'll do it again same time next year.
April 30, 2008
6:15 p.m.
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GoldNoggin writes:
Woo Hoo!! How nice that in a little over a week this tool went from Avs in 6 to Avs outplayed by the Detroit Red Wings.
Thanks Quenneville for playing Jose ThreeOrMore eventhough Budaj only let in 1 goal against the Wings.
Let's Go Red Wings!
April 30, 2008
8 p.m.
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slydogg007 writes:
I feel for the Avs fans, it's never easy watching your team lose. But you Lincicome,I hope when this series is over, you seek the professional help you need. If you can get your head removed from your anus, you just might be able to write a good story.
April 30, 2008
8:47 p.m.
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michres writes:
Avsin6 == You know I watched the Spurs in the Denver Coliseum back in the 60's and all 400 fans in attendance knew more about life and hockey than you do to day. I guessed your age at 12 and I should have guessed your IQ at 12. Your understanding of hockey and your language skills are lower than that. I feel for the city of Denver, because you have a great city and sports tradition to have it ruined by this jerk. Go Broncos.
April 30, 2008
9:04 p.m.
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michres writes:
By the Way Mr. Linicome -- Avsins6 must be your older brother. I thought that Detroit's sports writers were bad but you and Woody of the DP make them look like all stars.
April 30, 2008
10:58 p.m.
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wingsfan1 writes:
I just wanted to let everybody know that Avsin6 is so sweet. I wish I was as good as you. Douche.
May 1, 2008
6:16 a.m.
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BigJohn5 writes:
I actually think Avsin6 IS Bernie Lincicome. They both write/post the same stupid irrelevant points, they both try to trash the opposition, and they both sound like a couple of donut punching tea bag lovers. Though I'm sure we won't hear much of him anymore this week as his court-allowed computer time is probably up again for the week. Maybe we'll hear from him again next week. You know buddy if the court only allows you a couple of hours on the computer each week you should really spend it looking for a real job instead of that "World Wide Corporation" job you currently have at NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association). Later DOUCHE BAG. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
May 1, 2008
8:11 a.m.
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Herecomesthebroom writes:
Gee, Avsin6 is so witty. How do I match wits with a SOFTWARE ENGINEER. Maybe I should speak in binary: 011001. 011001! 01! 01! I have to admit, I envy the freedom you must have as a "software engineer". And the financial freedom one can experience by still living in his parents basement must be staggering. I'll bet you can afford any dirty magazine you want (Meatmunchers, Alabama Dirt Whistler, Colon Blow), and a membership on any website you want (www.clevelandsteamer.com, www.angrydragon.org, www.gerbilandthebutt.net). So where the hell were you for a week? We missed you. I know, you were soooooo broken up about the Avs poor showing that you couldn't bear to...oh wait, you're not a hockey fan, that can't be it. Oh, I'll bet you were sick, like Jose Theofourgoalsagame. No, I'll bet you were in the middle of a World of Warcraft Marathon. By the way, playing that game for 96 hours straight does NOT make you a "software engineer". How can I be more like you? Let's see, I moved out of my parents house years ago, I got married (to a woman, nice try fackface), had 2 kids, and have a real job. Nope guess that's not going to work. After all, how can I have all that (along with successful local hockey, basketball, AND baseball teams), and still find time to be a cellar-dwelling, unemployed, in-denial h0m0?
Well, I guess I'll be waiting a week for a response. I'll make a deal with you: Same time, next week. I'll update you on the Wings in the Conference Finals, and the Pistons in the second round (sorry you lost Denver McNuggets), and you can update me on the golf scores of Jose TheoFORE! And no, I do not want an update on your little red rubber ball with all the bite marks in it.
May 1, 2008
8:17 a.m.
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BigJohn5 writes:
Herecomesthebroom....that was from Family Guy wasn't it?
May 1, 2008
8:35 a.m.
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Herecomesthebroom writes:
Yes it was. And by the way Avsin6loveschixwithdix, if McCarty was indeed "drunk off his a$$", as you insinuate, he must have been hanging out with 'Melo that night. HAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, GOT YO A$$!
May 1, 2008
9:14 a.m.
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HockeyHak writes:
Note to all Av fans: We own your team, your goalie, your Swedes, your sports AND THIS FORUM! Weasles
May 1, 2008
9:16 a.m.
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HockeyHak writes:
Oh yeah, and certainly your coach!
May 1, 2008
11:26 a.m.
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meatwad writes:
The avs are still my team and they are a damn good club for all you saying they suck and what not. Yea the wings are better this year, they're disgustingly good if you ask me. Bring the cup back to the west and hopefully we'll get better next year. Hopefully the avs will at least win one game, they've come close, hopefully they can kick the door down tonight. They need to start pushing past the neutral zone, the red wings are great at controlling it but if you want to win you have to find ways to do it. Toughen up avs, at least get us one win this series.
Also, to go as far as calling us fans bandwagoneers is just stupid. I've lived in colorado all my life and back my teams to the end, and will never cheer for another team unless it helps my team in some way. The majority of us wear our avs/broncos hats year round.
I wanna read other fans thoughts on the games,including opposing vies, not be insulted on every post, which i am being an avs fan that lives in colorado, which, oddly, inludes me in these stereotypical views.
GAME ON
May 1, 2008
12:05 p.m.
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michres writes:
Meatwad -- Don't think I wish to trash the Denver fans since you have treated your teams very well. It is this reporter and Avsin6 jerk that have continued to trash the Red Wings and Detroit in general. The first column by Lincicome was just an indication of his lack hockey knowledge and started all the trash talk.
It has been a good series for us so far and games have been good to watch.
Have a good day and from my point of view I hope you have another good season next year.
May 1, 2008
1:47 p.m.
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MrBrightSide writes:
Well, one more game there in a classless hockey town who cheers of "Red Wings s@ck", (even during the national anthem) which is pretty funny considering that all three games the team that s@cks so bad jumped on your Avs so fast they didn't know what hit them, and hung on to win each one, game two they didn't even have to hang out, but rather, duck cheap shots by your bench goons.
You guys act like this is the "Nordalanche" team from the late nineties or 2000 when your "team that Lindross built" had the talent to hang. The rivalry is over, deal with it. The Chickenhead is gone, his last game in 2002 was a fitting tribute to the reason that he ended up here in 96. Once again, the Wings lit him up.
This year is the final nail in the rivalry coffin, enjoy watching the team that you used to hate move on the playoffs over these next few years, I sure will.
BTW, we don't like the city much either, that's why we don't live there, our parents pretty much moved us out as kids and the only reason to go down is for sports. All cites have their issues, including Denver. As bad as Detroit is, no NFL player has been gunned down leaving a club lately.
May 1, 2008
1:58 p.m.
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meatwad writes:
Mr bright side,
Classless hockey town? So what they cheered red wings suck, did it hurt your feelings that bad? You're watching hockey, what'd you expect? Man up boy!
We're acting like it's the avalanche team from 2000? No, we're all very sure it's a different team, also a different year. If it were the same team the wings would be down right now, so no one here is living in the past.
Glad you don't like our city, you're one of the ones that stereotypes everyone into one group of hate mongers so you can feel better about yourself after saying "My towns better than yours" in so many words. How childish does that sound? If you don't like a place because of a few bad apples, than you're not going to be happy anywhere. Everywhere has their "thugs" and what not. Also, no NFL player has ever been gunned down while leaving a club in detroit? So the other "regular" citizens don't matter when you're talking about something that's totally out of context of sports?
May 1, 2008
9:04 p.m.
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eboro writes:
WHAT IS IT? " Avs in six" or wings are "vastly superior"? What no more fat jokes about red wing fans?
Avs fans this guy is a disgrace to your city and teams.
May 1, 2008
9:32 p.m.
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gniw002 writes:
The retirement home is beckoning for you Benny, Bernie, whatever...must've been those Vietcong flashbacks that made you pick the Avs in 6.
May 1, 2008
10:02 p.m.
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ruwingsfan2 writes:
good call on Avs in 6 Lincicome...your a tool.
Now take the broom we just used to sweep your avs and stick it in the same place your head is.
Enjoy your fine city, maybe you'll get another clip on Wildest Police Videos with another riot.