Rebukes envelop Bruce

Hispanic groups, colleagues slam 'peasant' remark

By Chris Barge, Rocky Mountain News (Contact), Alan Gathright, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)

Published April 21, 2008 at 12:59 p.m.

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Photo by Preston Gannaway / The Rocky

Rep. Douglas Bruce sits at his desk in the House at the Capitol on Monday. Bruce was ordered to leave the podium earlier in the day for calling temporary migrant workers "illiterate peasants."

Kathleen Curry

Rep. Douglas Bruce's calling Mexican farm workers "illiterate peasants" has drawn international rebukes and calls for his ouster by Colorado Hispanic leaders.

But House Majority Leader Alice Madden said today that Bruce won't be further sanctioned by legislative leaders.

"I don't know what the action would be. He has the right to say whatever he wants -- no matter how distasteful -- as long at it's not curse words," the Boulder Democrat said, according to the Rocky's "Live from the Legislature" blog (for more comments from Madden and world reaction, see link to blog at left).

Bruce on Monday wanted to make it clear he didn't like Rep. Marsha Looper's bill establishing a pilot program to expedite temporary visas for seasonal farmer workers.

A week ago, he composed a statement in which he would dub it the "Illegal Alien Importation Act."

He got no further than three lines into his multiple-page missive on the House floor Monday before being gaveled down for saying Colorado doesn't need "5,000 more illiterate peasants."

The Colorado Springs Republican's words drew an audible gasp from lawmakers.

"How dare you," said Rep. Rep. Kathleen Curry, D-Gunnison, who was chairing the floor debate. She ordered Bruce to leave the speaker's podium.

Afterward, Rep. Terrance Carroll, D-Denver, called Bruce's comments "premeditated bigotry."

"He came prepared to be a bigot today and I find that insulting to the entire body," Carroll said. "More importantly it's insulting to the entire state."

Carroll had said the remark could result in a formal ethics complaint that would require a hearing and possible suspension, censure or expulsion.

Monday's drama was still a hot topic among legislators as they assembled this morning, the Rocky's blog reported.

When House Minority Leader Mike May's name was read during roll call in the legislative leadership's Executive Committee meeting, he sang out "Peasant! -- I mean, present."

Carroll and other lawmakers said Monday the House floor behavior was "par for the course" for Bruce, who marked his first day at the Capitol in January by kicking a Rocky photographer.

Stormy beginning

His refusal to apologize for the kick made him the first lawmaker in the state legislature's 131-year history to be formally censured.

May, R-Parker, said Monday that Bruce's impact on his own party has been disastrous.

"Because of his behavior issues, when he speaks, it costs us votes," May said referring to Republicans. "It's hard enough to be in the minority as it is without having that anvil hanging around our necks."

Bruce said Monday that he doesn't care if his own party doesn't appreciate him.

"To me it doesn't matter," he said. "If I'm the only person in this building that cares about the truth, fine."

Bruce defended his "illiterate peasants" line as a factually accurate description of the estimated 5,000 immigrant farm workers who would be allowed into Colorado under Looper's bill.

Madden rolled her eyes at that defense. Many immigrants who come to America to work are literate, she said.

"And the word peasant? What's he going to do, say, 'Let them eat cake?' I've never heard people in civilized society call people peasants."

The trouble with Bruce, Madden said, is that he sees the world in black and white and you're either with him or against him.

"He doesn't add any facts to the conversation," she said. "He just adds his demagoguery, and he rarely if ever wins an argument. He's ineffective because he's so obnoxious."

Bruce irritates many

Most lawmakers at the Capitol by now have a story about when Bruce pushed their buttons.

Fellow Colorado Springs Republican Rep. Larry Liston's moment was April 10 when Bruce derided Liston's proposed pilot program giving tax credits to employers who hire disabled workers.

Bruce called the bill an unconstitutional tax loophole that "encourages people to get onto this form of a welfare program."

Liston - who might have learned to bite his tongue earlier this year after calling unwed teen parents "sluts" - didn't hold back.

"Rep. Bruce, I appreciate your demagogue . . . I mean your comments," Liston said.

"I take exception to Rep. Liston calling me a demagogue from the microphone," Bruce retorted.

Liston later caught Bruce in the hallway and apologized. Bruce demanded a public apology on the House floor - something he did not get.

Bruce's comments that day drew tears from Rep. John Soper, whose brother is developmentally disabled.

"I would challenge Rep. Bruce to maybe go with me and meet some of these folks," Soper said. "Unless you deal with them, you don't know what they are."

Curry chastised Bruce that day in the center aisle and lawmakers had to step between them.

It was the first of three verbal altercations between Bruce and Curry on the House floor since then.

Decorum declines

On any given morning, Bruce speaks into the podium microphone more than any other lawmaker. Usually, it's to bring up his pet issue - why an "emergency clause" shouldn't be attached to most bills.

Lawmakers have attached that provision to approximately 30,000 bills over the past 75 years, Bruce said, allowing the bills to take immediate effect and making them immune to repeal by citizen ballot initiative.

Bruce said that, thanks to him, only about half the bills this year have the emergency clause, compared to an average of around 80 percent over each of the past 15 years.

But Curry and others said their problem with Bruce isn't his mission to kill the safety clause.

"I think he's had a negative impact on the decorum, and it's very discouraging for all of us to be the subject of his negative statements day after day, bill after bill, hour after hour," Curry said. "It undermines our morale. It undermines the people who are trying to do the right thing. It's been very harmful to the legislature."

Lawmakers also said Bruce has been intolerably rude to Capitol staff members.

"We've had policy disputes, we've had arguments here in this legislature for 130-some-odd years and the tension brought by this one man some days is near the breaking point," May said.

"Hopefully people view him as the party of Bruce and not the Republican Party," May said.

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They said it

Rep. Douglas Bruce clashed with House floor Chairwoman Rep. Kathleen Curry as he criticized fellow Republican Marsha Looper's bill to expedite visas for foreign seasonal workers to ease a farm labor shortage.

* It began with Bruce's sarcastic comments about a shortage of immigrant workers.

Bruce: Every time I go to Wal-Mart, practically, I have constituents approach me . . . They say, 'Doug, you have to do something about immigration. The lines are too short at hospital emergency rooms. My children don't hear enough foreign languages in the classroom or during recess.'

Curry: Rep. Bruce, this bill has to do with . . .

Bruce: With aliens coming . . .

Curry: . . . Don't argue with the chair. The bill has to do with the labor issues identified and the pilot program. We do not need an entire explanation of how you feel about immigration. I want you to focus on the bill or I won't recognize you further.

Bruce: You're asking me to leave?

Curry: I said focus on the bill or I won't recognize you further. You have the opportunity to speak to the bill right here and now.

Bruce: Well, Madame Chair, I read the bill word for word and I thought it was about importing up to 5,000 additional aliens into this country over a five-year period. If I misread the bill, then I apologize.

* Curry has Rep. Marsha Looper explain her bill again.

Looper: Rep. Bruce, as I stated earlier, this is a pilot program. This is not about aliens. This is not about immigration. This is about facilitating and allowing (state agencies) to work on getting legal, seasonal non-immigrant workers to Colorado to help us with our harvest and to ensure that they return to their country of origin.

* Bruce continues to insist that importing workers from countries like Mexico is immigration, implying they could stay in the U.S. illegally.

Bruce: I would like to have the opportunity to state at the microphone why I don't think we need 5,000 more illiterate peasants in Colorado.

Curry: Rep. Bruce, you are no longer recognized in the well . . . How dare you?

• April 21, 2008

  1:04 p.m.

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  junglegymco writes:

  When is this bozo done? Not soon enough.

• April 21, 2008

  1:09 p.m.

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  holekeeper writes:

  man, I am Republican , but this guy is a moron. Get him out now!!!There has to be a way!

• April 21, 2008

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• April 21, 2008

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  me2 writes:

  Who does he want picking our crops? Nothing wrong with being a peasant.

• April 21, 2008

  1:17 p.m.

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  chaplainmike writes:

  Now everyone else in the state knows what we had to put up with in El Paso County. This guy is just nuts. He is definitely, as platoro79 so eoloquently put it, an embarrassment to the state. But I would add that he is an embarrassment to good people everywhere. Censure? Impeach him as soon as possible.

• April 21, 2008

  1:23 p.m.

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  AC writes:

  Tommy, inability to read and write in English is not illiteracy when you are not English-speaking in the first place.

• April 21, 2008

  1:26 p.m.

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  KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

  Even if it were true it has no place on the floor, nor any other state, federal or county government facilities. His job is to serve the people not place judgement. What's funny is he started in what county? El Paso, a spanish word, one that I'm sure his pronounciation for is far from right.

• April 21, 2008

  1:31 p.m.

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  holekeeper writes:

  Tommy,
  I like the way you spin his comments. What he said was to insult people. While I do support a stronger border. While I do beleive that the illigals need to be sent back I cannot agree with his comments. He is a bigot, he has assaulted people while praying. He has been an embarassment to the state. While you can feel however you want freedom of speech does not give you the right to pull crap like this.

• April 21, 2008

  1:36 p.m.

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  Michael writes:

  They are illiterate to the national language of the USA (ENGLISH) and they are for the most part - peasants - which is defined as:
  peas·ant [pez-uhnt]
  –noun 1. a member of a class of persons, as in Europe, Asia, and Latin America, who are small farmers or farm laborers of low social rank.
  2. a coarse, unsophisticated, boorish, uneducated person of little financial means.
  –adjective 3. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of peasants or their traditions, way of life, crafts, etc.
  I think Doug Bruce got it correct and those that disagree are so politically correct that you do not even know what the meaning of the words are. Bruce was ACCURATE in his wording, though maybe not as PC as everyone wants him to be. Why is everyone so offended by the truth??? These are not aristocratic and educated people who are invading us by the millions. They are indeed for the most part - PEASANTS. Doug Bruce did not invent the word, but he used it correctly.

• April 21, 2008

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  gcrez writes:

  well Tommy,
  Though I may agree with some of your points, are we really so primative that we need to use racist generalizations? Your lack of human empathy makes me want to drag you down to Mexico and leave you for an eye-opening experience. Your prestine little world is unrealistic, and you need to get out and see things on your own. I feel bad for you and this bafoon! If you only knew hard-ship, maybe you would understand the ways of the world. Get a life Tommy...

• April 21, 2008

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  pegasus99_aka_DR writes:

  Ezekiel, please think before you post. Doug Bruce is not a "Conservative", he is an extremist right-winger who looks nothing like any of the other traditional conservatives in the legislature. This is actually a sad case of someone who initially did a few good things regarding lowering taxes and making government accountable for their spending of taxpayers money, and he's now just made an ass of himself over a number of things, and it dilutes the contributions he made previously.

  Repealing TaBOR is one of the most foolish things I've seen posted in many months - why would you repeal a law that gives taxpayers, including you I assume, direct say in how your money is spent? There are other methods available to modify how it impacts our economy, such as the five year moratorium we got shrifted into by Hank Brown and Bill Owens, among others - still, a majority of taxpayers felt it was the way to go and approved it, so the process works. There are also other things that can be done like adjusting the percentages that are to be adhered to. Government at all levels has a voracious appetite, and one thing it always wants is "more", and it's always easy for it to spend money it didn't have to work for. On the other hand, if you'd like more of your money to go to what government thinks it should be spent on, California is more than double our tax burden, so maybe you should check it out?

  But I can agree with you on one part of your post, let the people of Colorado Springs dump this bum.

• April 21, 2008

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  jay writes:

  Could this guy and his apologists be any more irrelevant in this day and age?

• April 21, 2008

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  TruthHurts writes:

  Douglas Bruce is the worst thing that ever happened to this state. When Governor Lamm issued his "Duty to Die" speech he had Douglas Bruce in mind.Bruce has yet to live in a state in which he has not had some negative impact. That is some legacy.

• April 21, 2008

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  happymike44 writes:

  Well I guess everyone forgot his right to free speech.It is not freedom of some types of speech.It is freedom to voice your opinions on how you feel.He is voicing the concerns of many people who feel we are being invaded by a group of people who have no right to be here.So if it is not a popular expression get over it.All right I want to preserve my country so it is here my family to enjoy.So I do not have a problem shutting the door to a group of people who cost us billions in lost taxes and medical that we all must pay because they refuse to pay for it themselves.Not to mention the burden they place on the healthcare sytem.Also the welfare we pay for them.Then lets not forget those of them that are criminals lets talk about the cost of that.So their being here is not a victimless crime.They are using us like a tick on a dog,wake up people or are you to busy drinking your starbucks coffee to notice it.Cheap labor is not as cheap as you think it is.

• April 21, 2008

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  chief writes:

  we don't have a national language

• April 21, 2008

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  Michael writes:

  This is about words and their meaning. And yes, words do have meaning. The words that I get upset about are "undocumented workers". That description is less accurate in descibing illegal aliens from Mexico and points south than "illiterate peasant" is. But guess what, the first term is politically correct and even though is not at all accurate, has found a home with the open borders crowd, the mainstream media, and those that do NOT want our immigration laws enforced. And when someone like a Bruce (who I am NO fan of other than TABOR) or a Tancredo (who I like) uses the more accurate terms (illegal aliens, criminals, lawbreakers, etc.) to descibe these people who break into our country illegally, the "race card" is played and all bets (and discussion) is off because how can anyone talk with a racist about anything???? Those that want our immigration laws enforced and are not afraid to use correct (if somewhat inflamatory) words to descibe it are not the enemy - regardless of what so many think. Sometimes bright people say stupid and inaccurate things and sometimes not so bright people say intelligent and accurate things, and Bruce got it correct for all his other failings.

• April 21, 2008

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  rpmcmurphy writes:

  Ok, Bruce is a moron, and most illegal aliens are illiterate peasants. Get over it. Irregardless of how hard they work, and how low a wage they are willing to work for, we don't need any more illegal aliens or legal immigrants without marketable skills and without the ability to read and write and speak in english.

  http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/Ph...

• April 21, 2008

  2:11 p.m.

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  Spencer writes:

  What's the over/under on how long this guy stays? Will he be in the House next year? If not speaking English makes you illiterate does that make non-Spanish speakers illiterate when in Mexico?

• April 21, 2008

  2:12 p.m.

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  Golden writes:

  The article says very little... Now, if Bruce were making a statement about Mexican farm workers coming to America to work on farms, wouldn’t that make them illiterate peasants? Is this not the very defining characteristic of a Mexican farm working on an American farm? Unless of course, these particular Mexican farms workers are the 3% who are literate IN THEIR OWN Language, or the zero percent of Mexican farm workers who are not peasants but choose to work on a farm anyway?

  Calling them what they are not, in amongst itself, wrong.

  From Marriam-Webster on-line dictionary…

  Pronunciation: \(ˌ)i(l)-ˈli-t(ə-)rət\
  Function: adjective
  Etymology: Middle English, from Latin illiteratus, from in- + litteratus literate
  Date: 15th century
  1: having little or no education; especially : unable to read or write <an illiterate population>2 a: showing or marked by a lack of familiarity with language and literature <an illiterate magazine> b: violating approved patterns of speaking or writing3: showing or marked by a lack of acquaintance with the fundamentals of a particular field of knowledge <musically illiterate>

  Pronunciation: \ˈpe-zənt\
  Function: noun
  Etymology: Middle English paissaunt, from Anglo-French paisant, pesaunt, from pais, paiis country, from Late Latin pagensis inhabitant of a district, from Latin pagus district; akin to Latin pangere to fix — more at PACT
  Date: 15th century
  1: a member of a European class of persons tilling the soil as small landowners or as laborers; also : a member of a similar class elsewhere2: a usually uneducated person of low social status

• April 21, 2008

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  mytwosense writes:

  My problem with Bruce for saying that is because I am sure he meant it in a withering way - as if it's their fault they come from Mexico, where grinding poverty is the norm and good public education and jobs are not.

  But truthfully, they are peasants. They work hard, dreary jobs for low wages, live in crowded conditions, and the ones who are here illegally, have no political voice through a vote.

  It is clear Mexico's own government isn't concerned about these people, their own citizens. And it's Mexico I hold accountable to this issue, not desperate people who are just trying to live marginally above abject misery. That's where my opinion sharply diverges from Bruce's, I imagine.

• April 21, 2008

  2:14 p.m.

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  FlyfishDude52 writes:

  Bruce is an idiot and an embarrassment to all, not just Repubs. Calling him a consrvative is like calling Karl Marx a liberal...

  I'm not too wild about the "illiterate peasant" comment as it smacks of very limited vision. However, if they cannot read, write and speak English in the U.S., they are illiterate. I don't know if they're peasants or not. Do you?

• April 21, 2008

  2:14 p.m.

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  OhBrother writes:

  Tommy-"Some friends that I have managing restaurants often say that Mexicans that they have hired are unable to fill out applications or other documents"

  why are your buddies hiring people that can't fill out applications? aside from most likley being illegal, they practice hiring people that can not complete necassary paperwork? why? do they pay these "pesants" the same as other workers who can read and write?

  see Tommy, the only benifit you could possible gain from hiring illegal or incompident workers is to save the money you would pay a normal person with actual skills and related experience who would demand more money. While the "supply" of illegal workers flooding our markets is a rather large and complex issue, Americans that provide a "demand" for these types of workers is what allows the problem to continue. Next time you see your friends, tell them thanks for all the help.

• April 21, 2008

  2:15 p.m.

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  anya writes:

  Once again El Paso County has sent us a shining example of the hyper-religious, far-right wing, neo-con Republican nut case in all his glory. You would think that even the folk in Colorado Springs would be embarrassed by this barbarian.

  I am totally against illegal immigrants or anything else illegal, but this bill seems like a good way to bring in workers to harvest crops. It is a terrible sin to let good food rot on the ground.

• April 21, 2008

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  junglegymco writes:

  rpmcmurphy - "Irregardless" is not a word. Perhaps you need a literacy course.

• April 21, 2008

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  Golden writes:

  Spencer. If you are in Mexico and don't speak Spanish then you are indeed illiterate. Unless by some amazing quirk, you can read and write the language but not speak it. Then I think everyone would think you were literate.
  That is the very point. They are illiterate and he called them illiterate. Sacre Bleu!

  I think Bruce was actually saying these illiterate peasants are illiterate in thier native language. The illitercy rate among Mexican peasant farmers, which by the way, is an official classification of the Mexican Government, is 97%.

• April 21, 2008

  2:27 p.m.

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  rpmcmurphy writes:

  junglegymco, google it, its in wikipedia, as well as some dictionaries, it is a nonstandard word. Maybe you could pay my share of tax that goes to support illegal aliens?
  Perhaps you need to increase your understanding.

• April 21, 2008

  2:28 p.m.

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  AC writes:

  Michael: You're wrong. And Bruce is wrong. I'd bet some of those migrants are more literate than Bruce. Certainly, many are more civil and decent. "Literate" does not mean "English-speaking."

• April 21, 2008

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  frosty writes:

  Ricky Lee, I keep thinking it's Trading Places, but I really think it comes from another one, can you give me a hint?

• April 21, 2008

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  Michael writes:

  AC - I'll take that bet.

• April 21, 2008

  2:33 p.m.

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  AC writes:

  Michael: Wow, are you misinformed. First, the debate in which Bruce spoke uncivilly at the podium had NOTHING to do with illegal aliens. It was about a bill that would assist in admitting LEGAL alilens on work visas. What part of LEGAL did you miss? Second, "illiterate peasants" is not more accurate than "undocumented workers" for your illegal alien example. "Undocumented workers" in fact is the most precise description.

• April 21, 2008

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  CWW writes:

  Frosty, I think it was from Caddyshack . . .

• April 21, 2008

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  ruckus writes:

  I agree we must have regulated borders but for all of you who agree with his comments are downright xenophobic and arrogant. What he said insulted a group of people who play a major role in our economy making sure tomatoes are $5 a pop in spite of NAFTA and corporate exploitation. As we spend billions on war the US points the finger at so called "illegal alien" as the source of our economic problems, while banks shafted the average home buyer fueling the recession. if you want to build a fence to protect the border, build it on both borders, let there be no double standard. And for those who think Mexicans are "invading" the US, Mexicans have always been here with families extending across the nation before there was a border. So America and the dream are only for immigrants who came through Ellis Island? With no tolerance for people who have always been here? People forget what is inscribed on the Statue of Liberty. America has become very arrogant and pompous. Mexicans are not terrorists. We don't blow up planes. If a Mexican ever thought about blowing up a federal building his cousins would be calling saying "if i dont get my check this week f*cker...."
  so while you think Mexicans are "drain on the economy" just realize they're are chasing the same dream you are, all the while serving you fast food, cleaning bathrooms, fixing your car, taking care of the things you take for granted because no one else wants to do it.

• April 21, 2008

  2:35 p.m.

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  Diff writes:

  I didn't think there was or could be anyone as big an IDIOT as D.Bruce -
  - But TOMMY; you have proved me wrong!
  I have news (read some FACTS) for you TOMMY - There is NO middle class in Mexico, it is a society of haves and have nots (kind of like the conservative agenda in this country)
  by far MOST of the Mexican nationals hired in this country have a very strong work ethic and are often able AND willing to do jobs better and faster that their gringo counterparts in industries like construction, land scape, farming etc. They don't balk about the long hours or less than ideal condition that would (and do) cause a lot of the younger white males I have seen working in these fields to quit within a few weeks or so. Some of them demand higher wages and are paid them than whitie would make! Because they deserve it!
  And just because someone does "labor" DOES NOT make them a peasant!
  Doug Bruce has a very negative connotation, because it such a negative person, and has very biased and negative views!
  Hope you are proud of you bigotry and superiority complex Tommy. You and Doug Bruce are one (two) of a kind MORONS and I would be very pleased if you would just leave the state!

• April 21, 2008

  2:35 p.m.

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  AC writes:

  Posted by rpmcmurphy on April 21, 2008 at 2:11 p.m:

  "Ok, Bruce is a moron, and most illegal aliens are illiterate peasants. Get over it. Irregardless of how hard they work..."

  Complaining about illiteracy and using the non-word "irregardless?"

  Priceless!

• April 21, 2008

  2:36 p.m.

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  ruckus writes:

  *edit to typo in post

  "What he said insulted a group of people who play a major role in our economy making sure tomatoes AREN'T $5 a pop in spite of NAFTA and corporate exploitation."

• April 21, 2008

  2:38 p.m.

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  kirbysfriend22 writes:

  TABOR needs axed. Tax payers do have a say in how their tax money is spent...it's called voting. If you don't want to pay taxes then vote for someone who says they won't raise taxes and then actually follows up on their word. Keep in mind, someone who actually cuts taxes also needs to cut spending. Choose the leaders you want based on their values and ideals. TABOR only causes us to stagnate.

  Sometimes we need the tax money and TABOR doesn't allow for the necessary flexibility.

  Oh yeah, this Bruce guy is ridiculous.

• April 21, 2008

  2:40 p.m.

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  dilligaf writes:

  Some of the posters here are has stupid as Bruce. The bill be looked at is to allow Mexican workers to work LEGALLY picking Colorado crops that are DIEING. Who's is going to pick them all you redneck bigots? No you will just p-- & moan when food continues to climb. Oh by the way unless your full blooded American Indian there is a good chance that your ancestors came here illegally.

• April 21, 2008

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  OhBrother writes:

  Imagine that...poor people with little education that are illiterate. Gee, great observation. I still wonder who exactly is hiring these people and why exactly would they be doing so( like actual names and locations of companys)? I would much rather hear about that then some guys opinion. His comments are typical ( a lot of people think the same way ) but I am ashamed if these statments are true with supporting data. Why, you may ask? Simple. If uneducated, oppressed, illiterate, "pesants" have very little problems getting through our borders and holding jobs once in our country, then I think that speaks volumes for our government and the way they are handling this actual crisis. Is our government actualy being outsmarted by illiterate pesants?

  on a side note, how this man still has a job after striking someone on the house floor is an insult to all tax payers, but hey, I guess not everyone is offended as easily as I

• April 21, 2008

  2:43 p.m.

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  Spencer writes:

  http://dictionary.reference.com/brows...
  whew that was close, going to Europe this Summer and did not want to have to describe myself as illiterate in Germany and Italy

• April 21, 2008

  2:51 p.m.

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  bitwranglers writes:

  Douglas Bruce is my hero! When I grow up, I wanna be just like him.

• April 21, 2008

  2:54 p.m.

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  rmnreader writes:

  What Colorado (& the world) really doesn't need is any more moronic, racist politicians....

  So does this mean we also get to ship out all the white illiterates standing on the street corners of Denver & Boulder, drunk, begging for money?!

• April 21, 2008

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  O_TRAIN writes:

  Ricky Lee - I think it was Caddyshack?? (The Judge)

• April 21, 2008

  3:09 p.m.

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  buffsblg writes:

  All the Bruce defenders amuse me by breaking down the words. The key here is that he meant it to be as insulting as he could. Bruce has no real thoughts so he, like many of his supporters rely instead on personal insults. Yes he has a right of free speech and if he wants to walk out on a street corner and say more stupid stuff, he is and should be free to do so. However, the Colorado Legislature has the right to make rules as to debate on the floor. I do not think asking our representatives to avoid deliberate insults is an unconstitutional limitation. Whatever your political leanings, how can you not see this guy as an embarrassment to the state. This story is already on the national news sites. Nice representation for Colorado.

• April 21, 2008

  3:10 p.m.

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  Mike1969 writes:

  The investigation and possible charges should not be for choosing to express his opinion in a country that prides itself on free speech by stating "We don't need 5,000 more illiterate peasants in the state of Colorado,"

  The real investigation should be into the politicians who are trying to pass a bill trying to bring 5,000 more illiterate peasants in the state of Colorado!

  NO MEANS NO!

  COLORADOANS ARE SICK OF OUR TAX DOLLARS FUNDING ILLEGAL ALIENS! (AKA illiterate peasants)

• April 21, 2008

  3:13 p.m.

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  jay writes:

  Let's just make sure that the voters know that this guy is a republican.

• April 21, 2008

  3:21 p.m.

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  RG2008 writes:

  Hey Doug,
  He's correct, as usuall, that we don't need another 5000 alien in this state. Legal or not.

  Keep up the good work. Call it like you see it.

  R

• April 21, 2008

  3:23 p.m.

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  JSeifert writes:

  I love this Guy, He makes our state Government fun. Funny how the free speech should be standing up for him, HUM wonder where they are at?

• April 21, 2008

  3:24 p.m.

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  nuclied writes:

  I'll happily support this bill...on one condition. Only documented workers, and not their families, are allowed into this country to work until such a time where that worker shows the fiscal ability to cover their familes members costs, including health insurance. Fair?

• April 21, 2008

  3:27 p.m.

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  lunger40 writes:

  There are two options to farm the fields. The "illegals"! In which Bruce makes a great point. Or the illiterate white twenty somethings that want to play video games all day.

• April 21, 2008

  3:29 p.m.

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  AC writes:

  Posted by RG2008 on April 21, 2008 at 3:21 p.m.

  "Hey Doug,
  He's correct, as usuall, that we don't need another 5000 alien in this state. Legal or not."

  Well, apparently we do need them. The debate was on a Republican-sponsored bill filed because the agricultural industry can't find enough labor to harvest food in the fields that otherwise will rot.

• April 21, 2008

  3:37 p.m.

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  Barron writes:

  Tommy - how bright can your friend be, hiring people who can't fill out an application?

• April 21, 2008

  3:38 p.m.

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  benn writes:

  they are 5000 legal workers.... read the article dumbasses

• April 21, 2008

  3:39 p.m.

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  Diff writes:

  nuclied, sure - But ONLY after every American worker can afford health insurance!

  JSeifert, D Bruce has the right to show is bigotry, or stupidity say what every he likes - then the rest of us surely have the same right to make what ever comments about him as well. No?

  Mike1969 - and FYI most foreign workers illegal are not, pay taxes, including the FICA tax for social security, and NEVER get to collect one dime of SS income. Even those with permanent residence status working here (unless they become citizens) - So they help to fund yours and mine.
  May as well get over it, the Mexican workers are an integral, important and now needed part of our economy - and so much so that not much can be done to change that, (big business will see to that!) except to have a better way for workers to come legally to the US.

• April 21, 2008

  3:40 p.m.

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  AC writes:

  Posted by outrider on April 21, 2008 at 3:32 p.m.

  "You fruckin idiots don't have the balls to face up to the truth. It is what is and they are who they are.

  "Oh gee wis he shouldn't say things like that. Darn someones feelings could be hurt, and you should know by now if the truth hurts it should be laid to rest.

  "And you all wonder why America is falling apart. Why I bet 90% of you have thought the same thing

  Was that written by an illiterate peasant? Seems so.

• April 21, 2008

  3:42 p.m.

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  Hoss writes:

  Bruce is saying things that the majority of Americans agree with (both Democrat and Republican). He is doing the heavy lifting for everyone else who doesn't have the balls to tell it like it is.

  For him to be castigated for speaking his mind is a throwback to the days of Nazi Germany. Liberals (you know the ones who are saying on this board "I'm a Republican but I hate the GOP") want to restrict the free speech they say they want to protect. All the while thinking in the back of their minds, "Thank God Doug said it because that's the way I feel"

  Hypocrites to the end and no credibility with the American People (ie; NOT Illegal Immigrants)

• April 21, 2008

  3:44 p.m.

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  junglegymco writes:

  rpmcmurphy - Wikipedia is your source? Are you serious? A "non-standard" word? You mean slang? Or is this just something you decided to make up to justify your inability to recognize your own ignorance?

  "Irregardless" is NOT an English word.

  Ah - the old "all the taxes I pay" argument to support illegals. How convenient you forget all the taxes THEY pay to help support you. Property taxes (via the landlord, if they're renting), sales tax and social security taxes.

  You need to look beyond your G.E.D. and maybe take a college course or two.

• April 21, 2008

  3:45 p.m.

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  Diff writes:

  outrider - like you his comments and language show his level (or lack of) intelligence!
  And talk about having (or NOT having) the nuggets - I'd bet you would never talk like that to anyone without doing it sitting behind your keyboard...
  at least you would never get away with it,
  Hit the reset button and
  Just go away,

• April 21, 2008

  3:58 p.m.

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  ptorres writes:

  Bruce has lost his common sense. We don’t need PHD’s picking our crops. Is he aware that there is a food shortage in some states? I’d rather pick it here than ship poor tasting watermelon from Mexico.

• April 21, 2008

  4:01 p.m.

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  CWW writes:

  Guess I have to ask: Will the employers of these legal workers will make sure they don't bring their families, and escort them back over the border when they've finished their work for the season?

• April 21, 2008

  4:01 p.m.

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  Marshdale writes:

  Cabbage $9.99lb
  Tomatoes $9.99lb
  Cantelope $9.99lb
  Peaches $9.99lb
  I can't wait. How about the rest of you? If farmers cant get the crops picked they will have no choice but to raise prices in order to maintain their level of income. If fruits and vegitables are in short supply, then they will go to the highest bidder who will charge us more for the goods. Just how many local truckers do you think this puts out of work? Wake up folks. This is the reality. We need these good people as much as they need the US.

• April 21, 2008

  4:02 p.m.

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  MGD writes:

  I think it was Tommy Boy.

  It seems likely that they are illiterate in their native language and by definition they are also peasants. However, This guy was not trying to decribe them, he was trying to deride them.

  They come across the border because they are unable to match the US minimum wage in Mexico. They are largely unskilled and not very employable in their own country. We let them work here because we like fresh vegetables and clean dishes in our restaurants. We can't have it both ways, either the cost of produce, dinning out, home construction, etc goes way up or we allow migrant workers, mostly from Mexico.

  Too bad we don't have a good border and some oversight on who crosses and how long they stay.

• April 21, 2008

  4:02 p.m.

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  snowbelly writes:

  First, anybody who comes to work will want to stay, therfore they will be immigrants.The trick is getting here, then staying here.We don't need more foriegn workers. We just need more americans working for a living wage.Getting rid of Tabor is out of the question because no taxpayer iu his right mind wants to return to the freespending romer days.It's like getting rid of the legislature just because bruce is a member.He likes to see his name in the paper.As long as you can label someone a racist the debate is ended.

• April 21, 2008

  4:02 p.m.

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  samsmargolis writes:

  "This pilot program is not an (illegal immigrant) amnesty program," Looper said, "It's not an open door to illegal workers."

  Right. They can't even track the people they are bringing in "legally" now under worker programs. Everyone raise your hand if you think they'll be able to manage this new program and return all the workers to their home country at the end of their program allowance.

  That's what I thought....no hands. Looper's lyin' and this committee is buyin'...she must be an Obama supporter with this patronizing and condescending attitude of hers. Bruce is an idiot, but this lady is running neck and neck with him. Must be contagious in that building...

• April 21, 2008

  4:12 p.m.

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  redwhiteandBLUE writes:

  Michael,

  Good explanation, Bruce did say it as it is. That took some boldness. It doesnt matter if they were purple people, the facts remain the same.

• April 21, 2008

  4:22 p.m.

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  LuckyMe writes:

  Wow, the posts on this tread is real frightening. Not only for the blind hatred towards a group of people whom I'll bet you don't have any dealings with let alone have the nerve to get to know. But for the ingorance that is spewing from your mouths at a astonishing rate. I wonder how the weather is in Snobville. I bet if the people who are bashing the Mexican's can get their noses out of the air, they would see that their S%#&T stinks too. I hope you are never a target for the blind hatred you have shown your fellow humans. May God forgive you as well.

• April 21, 2008

  4:26 p.m.

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  Michael writes:

  Ward Churchill can stand at the lecturn of our flagship university and be paid by the state of Colorado and be allowed to call the innocent victims of 9.11 "little Eichmans" and worse....but God forbid that Doug Bruce uses the term "illiterate peasants".
  Are these scenarios different? If so, how? The free speech crowd was willing to die to defend Ward's "right" to insult the dead but they are noticeably absent for Bruce? Why is that? Both are on the state payroll. Both said what they did while in the employ of the state? Where is the difference?

• April 21, 2008

  4:34 p.m.

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  AC writes:

  Posted by BigJake on April 21, 2008 at 3:45 p.m.

  "If they are not illiterate why do we have to press one for English?"

  What makes you think not speaking English makes one illiterate? Do you speak Spanish? No? Then does that make you "illiterate?"

  Monolingualism isn't illiteracy, folks.

• April 21, 2008

  4:53 p.m.

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  AC writes:

  Posted by Michael on April 21, 2008 at 4:26 p.m.

  "Ward Churchill can stand at the lecturn of our flagship university and be paid by the state of Colorado and be allowed to call the innocent victims of 9.11 "little Eichmans" and worse....but God forbid that Doug Bruce uses the term "illiterate peasants".
  Are these scenarios different? If so, how?"

  Yes they are vastly different. Besides the fact that Churchill's "little Eichmans" comment wasn't at the lecturn of a CU classroom but was in an essay published in an obscure rag, the fact is the General Assembly has rules of conduct and procedure. Bruce violated them, in the judgment of the speaker pro-tem. Members are admonished and redirected to speak to the subject of the bill under discussion all the time.

• April 21, 2008

  5:24 p.m.

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  jjwood64 writes:

  How to spell this "representative" in five other letters: L-O-S-E-R!!

• April 21, 2008

  5:30 p.m.

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  Rangerjoe1 writes:

  Thanks fresh ,and God Bless Bruce for not always being politically correct" Sound like Colorado has alot of slave owners here, like those low wage servants don't you.

• April 21, 2008

  5:42 p.m.

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  roger44 writes:

  Indians came over from Mongolia and that area, not native, DNA proves that. People holler about illegals, and when someone tells the truth, you holler about that. Insurance higher in Co. because of illegals, previous post tells the truth of the costs. Our Politicians are sticking their heads in the sand. After the Korean war, this country deported 1.2 million illegals so returning vets could have jobs. We need to do it again on a larger scale.

• April 21, 2008

  5:48 p.m.

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  jgd writes:

  We currently have 12-20 million illegal immigrates in the country, why do we need to bring in another 5000? Oh that's right! These workers would be legal. I believe it was big Jake that asked a question about who was going to make sure this group leaves after their Visa's run out. There are 12-20 million illegal immigrates we can't find or deport, but these 5000 will simply go back to their home countries when there Visas run out. Yea Right?

  Once the border has been secured and our immigration laws are being actively enforced, you can have all of the guest worker programs you want, until that time you are simply giving another group the opportunity to cross over the border legally, so they can remain here illegally. "Amnesty lite"

• April 21, 2008

  6:03 p.m.

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  amchica writes:

  Bruce needs to be replaced! Why is he still in office! Get rid of him...

• April 21, 2008

  6:18 p.m.

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  mark79trans writes:

  “Posted by ezekiel777 on April 21, 2008 at 1:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
  i will never vote for a conservative again... by the way...let's also repeal Tabor ....dump this bum AND his legacy.”

  Don’t equate conservative or TABOR to this guy. Bruce is an idiot…no doubt; in fact a lot of Republicans and conservative independents like me put a lot of work into the primaries to prevent this moron from getting elected. The caucus system nullified the work we did to keep this disgrace out of office.

  There was a lot of work put into the Tax Payer’s Bill of Rights. Personally, I am pretty happy that there are controls around how much these elected officials can spend of my tax dollars. Additionally, I am also pretty happy that there are controls on raising taxes; well at least before Ritter and company found a way to circumvent that with the state property tax levy.

• April 21, 2008

  6:58 p.m.

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  Sean writes:

  Well I cannot imagine highly-educated, literate Mexicans who are fluent in English picking fruits and vegetables. However, instead of a totally unregulated migrant labor force, would it destroy the American way of life to actually have some sort of guest worker program, which would improve the efficiency of the farmer, not have food rot unpicked in the field and would actually reduce the ever-increasing price of food.

• April 21, 2008

  7:05 p.m.

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  arby writes:

  About illiteracy. You may be quite literate at home. But if you go to another country and cannot speak or read their language you are illiterate. There are bilingual even trilingual dictionaries available, cds, tapes. If a person is planning on living and working in a country where they don't know the language then it is their responsibility to prepare themselves as much as possilbe and to continue to learn the language and culture of their adopted country and leave the old home stuff for Sunday afternoon. You don't celebrate a foriegn holiday, demonstrate and wave another flag if you want to be accepted. Sorry, but we stole this land fair and square and it is ours now. Assimilate or get out.

• April 21, 2008

  7:43 p.m.

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  RockySux writes:

  >> a coarse, unsophisticated, boorish, uneducated person of little financial means. <<

  Why do the immigrants automatically fall into being coarse or boorish? That's garbage.

  I wish the photographer had kicked Bruce back...in the head.

• April 21, 2008

  7:45 p.m.

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  samsmargolis writes:

  By the way...Curry - you need to finish out your politically correct thought. "How dare you"....what? ...have a thought contrary to yours? ...represent constituency in this state that thinks this bill is ridiculous? ...aptly describe the labor pool you wish to recruit?

  How dare you stifle protected speech. How dare you hamstring representative government. How dare you pout in session...there's no pouting in government. How dare you appear in public with that haircut.

  Curry - how about you put together a politically correct reference handbook of allowed "labels" or "descriptions" while the legislature is in session - I dare you. Tell us all how you'd like us to think. Tell us all what you'd like us to believe. Tell us all not to be bitter - oh, wait. Sorry. That ones already been taken.

  To all the supporters of fair, equal and representative government and free speech in the legislature, I dare you to censure Curry for her actions today. How dare she.

• April 21, 2008

  7:55 p.m.

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  jay writes:

  this bubble headed republican absolutely hate the right to be as shockingly ignorant as he wants to on the state and national stage....just as long as the news coverage accurately identifies him as a staunch conservative...

• April 21, 2008

  8:08 p.m.

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  Oliver2 writes:

  Right you are Arby at 7:05! THose damn COlumbus Day participants and all their I-talian this and I-talian that. And that last month, all that green regalia, you'd think we lived in Dublin not Denver! If they love their St. Patrick so much, why doin't they just pack up their cabbage-lovin' selves and head on back to their little island. capiche?

• April 21, 2008

  8:09 p.m.

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  Oliver2 writes:

  PS-I fully support Rep. Bruce's right to make a complete ass of himself. I too think it's good for the Party.

• April 21, 2008

  8:22 p.m.

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  Oliver2 writes:

  'Irregradless' of the deft display of literacy right here on these pages, I must agree that literacy is not defined as monolinguism. To be literate is to be able to write and read. You don't become illiterate simply because you go visit Mexico, or Prague. Many poor people in Mexico, and even the Untied States, struggle with literacy.

• April 21, 2008

  8:41 p.m.

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  PACE2008 writes:

  Mr. Bruce,

  definisca il illiterate?

  definieren Sie Analphabeten?

  merci

• April 21, 2008

  8:43 p.m.

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  jgd writes:

  One can love or hate Bruce, however he shows one trait I wish more politicians had, the courage to be totally honest about how he feels on an issue and what he would do about it. If more politicians where like that maybe making the decision of which one to vote for would be easier and won't come with as many surprises. McCain, Hillary, and Obama are you getting the hint?

• April 21, 2008

  9:32 p.m.

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  HankKW writes:

  I think that all of us who consider ourselves literate, who are fluent in reading and writing in English, and know how to browse the internet, should visit the Colorado General Assembly website to read the text of House Bill 1325 and its legislative history, if we are serious about stating an informed opinion about the way Rep. Bruce chose to comment on it. I think the most responsible way to exercise citizenship here is to understand the state legislative process as it pertains to this specific bill, rather than let Rep. Bruce try to delegitimize our state's democratic process, flawed though it may be, with his inflammatory comments.

• April 21, 2008

  10:05 p.m.

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  arby writes:

  Oliver 2
  You are right. We should be Americans period. No hyphens. However when you are a citizen you have guaranteed rights that an illegal immigrant doesn't. We are letting them have rights they are not entitled to. Ever heard of Mazatlan? Check out that idea.

• April 21, 2008

  10:22 p.m.

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  LuvAmerica writes:

  Well this Republican happens to hate Bruce because he is an utterly self-absorbed social retard slumlord who is completely unable to grasp any issue from a perspective outside his worldview, and displays a remarkable lack of compassion for humans from all walks of life. His churlish demonstrations aren't an exhibition of some censored conservative ideology: It's because he is known as what some folks might also impolitely but accurately refer to as a d___head. His behavior is inappropriate, unnecessary, and a betrayel of the fact that his oft-meritless beliefs don't really leave him with any quality defense.

  It's garbage like this that serves as a total distraction from the real problems immigration issues raise for the state.

• April 21, 2008

  10:27 p.m.

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  Golden writes:

  Marshdale - Your point about the cost of farm goods is half an argument unless you also count the cost of having those goods at the illegal alien farm worker price. So, please factor in for us the all the indirect costs of having these illegal aliens in our Country in the first place. Personnally, and judging by the percentage of American's who want our borders enforced I'd say I am not alone in this, I'd much rather pay the actual cost of items than pay the indirect cost having these criminals in our state. What is the costs to our health care system, to the safety of our food, the costs of welfare, food stamps, prisons, and to our education system.

  While all the lefties like to claim that most illegal aliens are hard working people, what about those that are not. Givin that 30% of our prisons are filled with illegal Aliens, I think you can factually claim that many are here to committ felony crimes.

  So, lets factor in the intangable cost of those crimes. Violent crime is not a zero sum game. If these illegals weren't here, the crimes would not be committed. Lets see now... what is the cost of drug dealing, of dragging women by the neck behind thier trucks, of money laundering and rape? What also is the cost of sending $10B anually out of our country to mexico?

  What do you calculate the cost, per pound, to the parents of a seven year old girl was raped by one of these protectors of the cheap farm goods? Would you say it is more or less than the $9.99 head of cabbage?

  I'll take the $9.99 peaches everyday of the week!

  Hey AC - this is the first time I've noticed you and I agree... 'irregardless' being used in a post about illiteracy... truely priceless amigo.

• April 21, 2008

  10:51 p.m.

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  steck writes:

  I am not here to tell you what to think, that is why we have the second ammendment. But what you have to know is that there are rules of conduct that have to be followed by our elected representatives. Ms. or Mrs. Curry should spend some time in the pokie for not hearing opposition to the bill on the floor. All opinions have to fairly be given time on the floor for debate. The last I checked, we are not part of a socialist society that will not allow freedom of speech. Which is exactly what Chairman Curry enacted by slamming the gavel. If anyone should be forced out, or a legislative investigation, it would be Chairperson Curry, our elected official.

• April 21, 2008

  10:54 p.m.

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  redwhiteandBLUE writes:

  Thank You Fresh!! Lets see if they can dispute those facts!!

• April 21, 2008

  11 p.m.

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  Really writes:

  Calling a spade a spade.

  Kudos Bruce!

• April 21, 2008

  11:05 p.m.

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  steck writes:

  And secondly, Bruce is right. He approached the floor with facts. Read Tommy and read the definition of peasant by Michael.

  You talk about empathy. In a slow economy as we are in now (a recession/depression as stated by the media), I would think that the American worker would be more than happy take these jobs. Then the empathatic writers should support their neighbors in earning money and taking these jobs. Are you really empathetic or just jumping on the latest topic of the day? Apply a little thought to what you are saying.

  I will support Doug Bruce in his actions. Tommy hit the nail on the head. We all know that. And think about the expenses we incurr as American taxpayers; 1. To attempt to educate immigrants to learn English, 2. Health care costs, because our hospitals will not turn anybody away. (just ask the CA taxpayers where all that money they are paying to support San Diego and LA hospitals is coming from). 3. Associated crime. How many murders did we have last year associated with Illegals? Maybe that is directly related with frustration due to the inability to communicate. Think here people. 4. School - teachers with dual language, how much do you think they make, and guess how pays for that. All you people resisting the words of Mr. Bruce. We are footing the bill, folks.

• April 21, 2008

  11:06 p.m.

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  mochsl writes:

  Fresh -

  Nice balance sheet ... oh, wait, there was no "balance", because you failed to list any of the money the darned brown people put INTO our economy.

  Don't strain your brain or anything, but the verdict is definitely still out about just how much illegal immigrants "drain" from our economy (i.e., your "hard-earned tax dollars going to good fer nothin' peasants").

  "Irregardless" of whether the illegals are "stealing" the jobs of the virtuous nativists posting vigorously to this commentary, "a majority of economists agree that illegal immigrants are a net benefit for the U.S. economy." (USA Today, 2008-4-10)

  For example, a study of the impact of immigrants on Arizona's economy determined:

  "Based on this study, the total state tax revenue attributable to immigrant workers was an estimated $2.4 billion (about $860 million for naturalized citizens plus about $1.5 billion for non-citizens). Balanced against estimated fiscal costs of $1.4 billion (for education, health care, and law enforcement), the net 2004 fiscal impact of immigrants in Arizona was positive by about $940 million." (udallcenter.arizona.edu/programs/immigration)

  Now back to our regularly scheduled parsing of the words "illiterate" and "peasant".

• April 21, 2008

  11:25 p.m.

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  PRO_LEGAL_Officer writes:

  Reference abovementioned fourth (4th) paragraph of this news report wherein it states "House Bill 1325 by Rep. Marhsa Looper, would create a five year pilot program to expedite approval of temporary seasonal foreign workers to help harvest crops that had sometimes rotted in the fields because of a labor shortages", therefore the news headline which states Bruce: illegal immigrant workers are "illiterate peasants", is wrong per se. Because with House Bill 1325 it would approve the entry of x numbers of (estimated 5,000) temporary seasonal foreign workers. For short they will be issued corresponding visas or work permit on a temporary basis. So they are not illegal immigrants but rather they would be coming here legally. And I would like to correct other individuals who posted their comments already. Because if you will read again the abovementioned news report, Rep. Douglas Bruce never mentioned any particular foreign nationals (like Mexicans) nor he mentioned that for those temporary seasonal foreign workers to come they should know how to speak English or be fluent in English. Please read again the news report in order not to be confused.

• April 22, 2008

  12:26 a.m.

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  freethinker07 writes:

  I am shocked. When Pastor Wright made insulting and racist statements, criticism was deflected with appeals for understanding.

  If you feel Bruce was racist and insulting, try to understand and empathize with him. His viewpoint is shared by many. In order to have racial peace in this country, we have to meet people who think like him half way.

  The illiterate are probably the only ones who will pick crops at the current rates. Members of the social class who pick crops by hand are reasonably called peasants. Farmers are claiming that we do need more of them. If crops are rotting in the field, there is a good chance that the farmers are correct and Bruce is incorrect.

  It is certainly worth discussing.

• April 22, 2008

  12:30 a.m.

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  EdwardGRobinson writes:

  to paraphrase arby:
  About political representation. You may be quite free to speak for yourself at home. But if you go to the state house and will not speak the language of your constituents you are illigitimate. There are bilingual even trilingual voters in your district. If a person is planning on working for a populace a country where he doesn't know the cultures involved then it is his responsibility to prepare himself as much as possible and to continue to learn the cultures of his constituents and leave the old home stuff for Sunday afternoon. You don't celebrate your former state, not even TABOR - that's not why you stand in the well today. You don't single out Mexicans and feign your anglo racism if you want to be voted back. Sorry, but you will not steal the votes of district 15 : they were always ours and never yours. Assimilate or get out.

• April 22, 2008

  12:43 a.m.

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  EdwardGRobinson writes:

  Anders gesprochen, ist es reine Faschismus:

  The Bruce Imperial anthem...
  "Douglas, Douglas ueber alles!"

  Strange how quickly the Bruce's 1000-year Reich is coming to a close.

• April 22, 2008

  1:08 a.m.

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  PRO_LEGAL_Officer writes:

  Our group PRO-LEGAL (PEACEFUL, RESPONSIBLE, OBEYING LEGAL IMMIGRANTS) a 75 million strong network members nationwide supports Rep. Douglas Bruce in his battle with Rep. Kathleen Curry. The issue here is not about Rep. Douglas Bruce comments re "illiterate peasants" but rather Rep. Bruce is just expressing his side about taking in a x numbers (5,000) of temporary seasonal foreign worker. Instead of allowing him to discuss this major issues and concerns Rep. Curry was so arrogant and rude by not allowing him to express his side. May we ask you Rep. Curry, what happened to the previous workers that the agricultural sector of your State? Can you account them all to us for the last ten years? What guarantees that these so called 5,000 foreign workers will be accounted all when their time to return to their country of origin expires? You own an explanation to your State and to your country.

• April 22, 2008

  4:13 a.m.

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  LOUIE writes:

  I don't care much for Bruce, he is somewhat of a baffoon and a major distraction. However, freedom is more important. Mr. Magoo has a right to his opinion; I question his fellow lawmakers decision. The decision to silence Mr. Magoo, has a chilling effect on liberty and freedoms that we as Americans hold sacred. I don't care for Louis Farrakan and his rabid anti-semitism, but I'll defend his right as an American to speak. To the fellow lawmakers, let Mr. Magoo speak; he'll only bury himself with his own words.

• April 22, 2008

  5:06 a.m.

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  samsmargolis writes:

  So just to clarify another point missed by the RMN: would these 5000 temporary workers be allowed to bring "family" with them as well? 5000 all-the-sudden becomes 20,000 with burdens on our already stretched public school systems, social services, hospitals and clinics? Temporary means just that - you're here for a fixed amount of time and then you return to your own country...and your family. If you allow family to tag along, it's virtually guaranteed that these people will never return to their own country. The whiners at the Mexican Consulate (the same geniuses that came up with the "matricular ID card") will begin the argument the moment these people land in our state to not return them - backed by pompous asses like Curry. Pay the local prevailing wage for temporary workers - even if food prices increase to cover the adjusted wages, it'll still be cheaper to the taxpayers if we don't have to cover all the hidden costs of illegal and backdoor immigration....ooops, sorry - "temporary" immigration. That still makes me laugh.....

• April 22, 2008

  6:33 a.m.

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  malis writes:

  Irrelevant twit countdown continues.

  Independents in District 15, you might want to think about registering Republican temporarily to help those of us who live in the District limit our lack of legislative representation to only this year.

  Please vote in the Republican Primary Aug 12 and help regain representation for House District 15. Thank you.

• April 22, 2008

  6:47 a.m.

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  KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

  Temporary Visas for foreign migrant workers are HB1-2 Visas with permanent resident restrictions. They are accompanied by a white card board (I-94) card stapled to the nationals passport. In the passport is a glued US visa which clearly states that it is a season "restricted", visa allowing the national a specific time frame for work. The statute clearly states it's purpose, and no national may bring "immediate", family members unless they can provide proof of hardship. "Hardship", is defined as a family member incapable of caring for themselves, i.e. sick family member or children. These individuals are provided non-work visas, i.e. B1-B2 "visitors", visas. The original visa was established for boarder residence of Canada and Mexico allowing them permission to cross the boarder for 24 hour visitation; however in recent years the Visa was revised to allow non-working residence to come into the country for the reason stated above. This is just to inform you that the bill that they are currently talking about is pretty much already in place and, is just a revision to increase the number of migrant workers to accomidate the increase in farm production, to help the fast growing 30,000 farmers and ranchers in the state of Colorado.

• April 22, 2008

  6:50 a.m.

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  Oliver2 writes:

  ToeNee-That would be CENSURE, not that you're illiterate or anything.

• April 22, 2008

  6:56 a.m.

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  Oliver2 writes:

  Dear Arby-

  Mazatlan is a nice city in Mexico, in the state of Sinaloa. It would appear that you know not what you are talking about, thus I suggest you revise one of the monikers of old that describes your ilk, the Know-Nothings.

• April 22, 2008

  7:13 a.m.

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  StandUp writes:

  FINALLY!! A politician willing to stand for the hard working LEAGAL American citizens.
  Obviously, the people for this program directly benift from criminal, invading people (regardless of where they come from) the labor of these people.
  What's the matter Curry??Are you afraid you will have to mow your own lawn or clean your own house? Move to an area like Adams Countywhere there is a shortage of classromm space because they offer SPANISH only classes. But you probably live in Cherry Hills so you or your children don't have to compete for health or education services. SHAME ON YOU for selling out our country and stiffling free speech - no matter what you think of it. You won't let Bruce speek his mind but I bet you don't care if people burn the American flag - freedom for some I guess. It's a great time to be an illegal!! Our politician DO care More about you than it's own people!
  Bravo Bill!! The people need somone like you!

• April 22, 2008

  7:15 a.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  We already have 20,000,000 illegal aliens in this country, why import 5000 more? WTF?

  Bruce for PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

• April 22, 2008

  7:21 a.m.

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  Oliver2 writes:

  Duh-the the issue being discussed is NOT illegal immigrants.

  Literacy also implies some basic understanding and comprehension of what you read, thus I grow suspect re: your qualifications.

• April 22, 2008

  7:23 a.m.

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  Oliver2 writes:

  Rep. Curry lives on a ranch in western Colorado, in Gunnison County.

  Prior top venting chunks of misplaced, ignorant opinions devoid of substance and fact, repeating--like a parrot perhaps--what you have heard somewhere, perhaps you might actually inform yourself.

• April 22, 2008

  7:28 a.m.

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  Lowtaxequalsfreedom writes:

  Words only offend the unthinking mind.

• April 22, 2008

  7:29 a.m.

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  KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

  Again this bill is to allow "temporary migrant workers," (not illegals) to come to Colorado and work on struggling farms and ranches. These particular workers won't be cutting lawns or cleaning houses. It's a shame that people are so ignorant of the influence that the Spanish and Mexican culture has on our State, Country, and cities. Colorado = the color red. How fitting for a state of bigot morons who take stabs at a working class. Yes the State name Colorado is a spanish word. Understand it, know it, accept it, or move out!

• April 22, 2008

  7:30 a.m.

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  StandUp writes:

  Curry lives on a ranch. Without inporting more "temp" workers, she will have no ranch hands.
  I think the point Bruce was trying to make is that there are already an estimated 20 million "undocumented workers" here - let THEM pick the crops. I like the way liberal cry-babies just want to GIVE away our country.
  Or here's an idea - grow your own damn tomatoes, carrots - etc.
  Lazy Farks
  WHY would you advocate putting Mexicans into slave labor. Subject to long hours, unfair working conditions etc.

• April 22, 2008

  7:36 a.m.

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  KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

  ToeNee, please find me a teenager, transient, or an inmate that would be willing to take such a job and then lets talk.

• April 22, 2008

  7:39 a.m.

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  StandUp writes:

  I have a plan to destroy America
  by Richard D. Lamm

  I have a secret plan to destroy America. If you believe, as many do, that America is too smug, too white bread, too self-satisfied, too rich, let’s destroy America. It is not that hard to do. History shows that nations are more fragile than their citizens think. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and they all fall, and that “an autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.” Here is my plan:

  1. We must first make America a bilingual-bicultural country. History shows, in my opinion, that no nation can survive the tension, conflict and antagonism of two competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. One scholar, Seymour Martin Lipset, put it this way: “The histories of bilingual and bicultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension and tragedy. Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with its Basques, Bretons and Corsicans.”

  2. I would then invent “multiculturalism” and encourage immigrants to maintain their own culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal: that there are no cultural differences that are important. I would declare it an article of faith that the black and Hispanic dropout rate is only due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out-of-bounds.

  4. Having done all this, I would make our fastest-growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50 percent dropout rate from school.

  7. Then I would place all these subjects off-limits–make it taboo to talk about. I would find a word similar to “heretic” in the 16th century that STOPPED discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like “racist”, “xenophobe” halt argument and conversation. Having made America a bilingual-bicultural country, having established multiculturalism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of “victimology,” I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra –”because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good.” I would make every individual immigrant sympatric and ignore the cumulative impact.

  Read the entire speech..
  http://michellemalkin.com/2008/02/09/...

• April 22, 2008

  7:40 a.m.

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  Oliver2 writes:

  Why thank you STAND-UP, I do indeed look forward to eating out of my own garden.

  Before you just make up things about Rep. Curry, who you clearly KNOW NOTHING about--a tactic that is irresponsible at best, reckless and libelous at worse--you might choose to inform yourself. It's just a suggestion, but I suspect you would be more effective in tryiong to win others to your cause. If you think the majority of folks are already on your (and Dougy's) side, then good luck. We'll see how that works out for you.

  BTW: I just love home grown tomatoes, and when I don't eat my own, I try and buy locally--from white folks or brown folks, if they look good and tasty. I support local agriculture, and I support local agricultural workers. Its the American Way, afterall.

  Your fellow-human-also-of-immigrant stock,

  Olvier

• April 22, 2008

  7:43 a.m.

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  frosty writes:

  Can someone tell me why an inmate should have any say in what kind of job the state gives them, I think the inmate idea is an excellent one, they should be made to work in these kinds of situations to help cover the cost of keeping them in the penal system. Why would this be a bad idea?

• April 22, 2008

  7:44 a.m.

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  Strategizer writes:

  Whatever happened to freedom of speech? I love when Democrats cut off speaking simply because they don't like it. They trample on one of the most basic freedoms they claim to uphold. Whatever you think of this guy, surely he should be allowed to say it. Vote Republican. At least they let you speak.

• April 22, 2008

  7:50 a.m.

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  KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

  It's hard to understand why your not in the House making these suggestions. If "If" was fifth, well I'm sure you know the rest. Back in the nineties Boston and Minnesota's city governments begin purchasing one way tickets for their transient populus. Their destination? Denver! That's right, we had a huge influx of transients from the East coast and up north. Do we have a problem with the homeless? What city doesn't. Teenagers on the other hand are just lazy now-a-days. Taking a computer away only makes them more resourceful. And inmates or shall I say convicts, are more likely to commit crime on society again then go work in a field.

• April 22, 2008

  7:53 a.m.

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  StandUp writes:

  Dear Oliver2
  Curry had no right to shut Bruce up. He does have freedom of speech and should be able to voice concerns about what MANY American Citizens think.
  Again, move to Adams County - it's like Mexico. Weird to be an unwelcome stranger in your OWN country.
  Curry is all that's bad about politicians. "Hey, lets give eveything away and leave nothing for our citizens"! Again, I bet she has had an illegal or two working on her ranch.
  I guess Curry's way of thinking is the ONLY way of thinking.
  HOW DARE SHE?!
  Also Oliver, bring up the "Ohhhh they are Brown argument". You are silly - Glad I shipped to Iraq twice for this garbage. Our country was stolen out from under us (with the help of politicians) and they did it all without crashing a plane into a building. They are smarter and more cunning than people think.
  Since you are so generous, Oliver - I would like to take some money from your 401K and I also need to go to the doctor next week with my 4 kids and I will also need 80 to fill up my SUV. I know you won't mind me taking from your 401K - I know you have contributed to it your whole life but I want it and I think I will take it. After all, I just want a better life for me and my children. When can I expect the money? No matter, I will just steal it if you won't give it to me. I will also need your SSN to secure a home loan.
  Thanks Oliver, you're swell!

• April 22, 2008

  7:59 a.m.

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  Lowtaxequalsfreedom writes:

  I love working outside and with my hands. Pay me enough and I would be glad to do it. This is about cheap labor, nothing more.

• April 22, 2008

  8 a.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  Lets build the damn wall, deport all illegal aliens, then we can talk about a guest worker program!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

• April 22, 2008

  8 a.m.

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  Articeagle writes:

  What "Tommy" said. Right on Bruce. Keep telling the truth.

• April 22, 2008

  8:03 a.m.

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  KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

  It's funny you say that StandUp because of the last 5 Identity theft rings that have been busted I don't recall any of them having Mexican participants.

• April 22, 2008

  8:03 a.m.

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  Oliver2 writes:

  Well, gotta go. Off to register illegal immigrants to vote, subsidized by the taxpayer of course. They just LOVE John McCain.

  Meanwhile, I have to part with suggesting, again, that all you crazies form a party of your own--hell, you even have a name already: the KNOW-NOTHINGS.

  I find most of the pro-Bruce comments here so illy informed it is difficult to know where to begin.
  
  First, there is the complete ignorance about how legislative bodies work--that using rules to control who talks when, and what constitutes proper decorum, is neither an impingement on free speech (since the bodies use their agreed-upon parliamentary process to set their rules!!!) nor that such maneuvering is limited to Rep. Curry or the Democrats?

  Or consider the most basic fact, that this debate is about temporary workers NOT undocumented immigrants?

  Or I could point out that, although a portion of those crossing the borders undocumented may be in fact illiterate (i.e. not able to read/write in their own language), that means neither that they are all illiterate, nor that such is barely relevant to this program--which would allow additional TEMPORARY, DOCUMENTED workers.

  This program would seem to allow MORE controls. I always thought that the crack(er)pot's mantra was that it wasn't about LEGAL IMMIGRANTS (i.e. Latinos, and these would not be immigrants anyways but temporary workers); isn't the mantra that its only about illegal migration across the border? Your white robes are showing.

  Finally, how about noting that there are Republicans behind this bill? Why must you all make it about Democrats? Paranoid, racist AND delusional is my diagnostic. Rep. Rose is about the most right-wing conservative in the state house, and that says a lot. And yet you all attack the Dems only, like its a left wing plot.

• April 22, 2008

  8:04 a.m.

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  Spencer writes:

  Bruce wasn't even elected. The person or persons who decided to appoint him sure have a lot of egg on their face. You think Bruce would be a little more considerate and STFU.

• April 22, 2008

  8:08 a.m.

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  StandUp writes:

  KnoWhatYouAreTalkingAbout

  The last 5 hugh. Please provide a link to support your claim - I suppose you are going to say that "Evil Whitey" is behind all the SSN theft.
  My point we have enough of our own stealing SSN, raping, stealing, crazy - we certainly don't need to import them!

• April 22, 2008

  8:10 a.m.

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  KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

  Make them take the jobs? Uhmm, that would be called slavery. And most people on welfare, are on welfare because of disabilities not because they don't want to work. "AND" Aide to the needy and disabled a wellfare program, SSI supplemental security income, another welfare program. These people can't work these jobs!

• April 22, 2008

  8:12 a.m.

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  KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

  Who said anything about "Evil Whitey", I just said the past five identity rings had no Mexicans. Guilty of it Standup?

• April 22, 2008

  8:15 a.m.

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  KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

  http://www.identitytheftdaily.com/ind...

  http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news...

• April 22, 2008

  8:15 a.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  It's funny you say that StandUp because of the last 5 Identity theft rings that have been busted I don't recall any of them having Mexican participants.

  Who was it that got busted plucking chickens with false IDs!!!!!

• April 22, 2008

  8:17 a.m.

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  dilligaf writes:

  Some things never change. It is still very efficient reading some of these posts that the republican party is still the racist party.

• April 22, 2008

  8:19 a.m.

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  rushrulesbaby writes:

  Doug Bruce is right on!!! He nailed these law breakers for what they are! Its called free speech and the truth! Stay the course Bruce!!!

• April 22, 2008

  8:22 a.m.

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  StandUp writes:

  http://redtape.msnbc.com/2006/03/hidd...
  HIDDEN COST OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION: ID THEFT

  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/...
  Illegal Workers Arrested In 6-State ID Theft Sweep

  http://www.ice.gov/pi/news/newsreleas...
  U.S. Uncovers Large-Scale Identity Theft Scheme Used By Illegal Aliens to Gain Employment at Nationwide

  http://www.identitytheftfixes.com/the...

  http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name...
  Identity Theft Details Released; LULAC Condemns Raid

  You are right, Illegal Immigrants don't steal identities. Even if it's the only way to get a job legally. They are law abiding people who didn't break the law by entering our country. I have changed my mind we should have a guest worker program since the government is already prooven itself capable of tracking the people that are here now.

• April 22, 2008

  8:23 a.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  Why are you always labeled a racist for wanting the laws enforced?

• April 22, 2008

  8:25 a.m.

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  AC writes:

  Wow, judging from the overnight hate comments, I think maybe Dougie had the wrong folks in mind when he said "illiterate!" <chuckle> Like an earlier post said, read the bill that was being discussed. The haters sure have hair-trigger tempers.

• April 22, 2008

  8:29 a.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  Build the damn wall DEPORT them all, then start a guest worker program!!!!

• April 22, 2008

  8:30 a.m.

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  AC writes:

  Hey Arby, yeah I heard of Mazatlan. Great place. It's a Pacific resort. Maybe you meant "Aztlan?" Yeesh. People can't even keep their biases straight.

• April 22, 2008

  8:30 a.m.

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  Alive writes:

  What did he say that wasn't true? Why can't we import engineers and scientists?

• April 22, 2008

  8:30 a.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  When in fact Mexico has the same or better medical services at 1/4 the cost as here.

  Put the crack pipe down!

• April 22, 2008

  8:31 a.m.

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  Oliver2 writes:

  I really would love to hear the argument on how--given the particular, agreed-upon rules of the Colorado Legislature--how (appointed, not elected) Rep. Bruce's free speech was impinged.

  Otherwise, those of you arguing such are simply wrong. No other conclusion can be reached on my end.

  Can one of you KNOW-NOTHINGS also please sketch in some of the details between the legislation at issue and your conclusion that undocumented workers constitute an invasion of existential proportion, we would be much better off just forcing our own poor people to work for slave wages (disabled or not they can certainly pick fruit!), that we must wall off our nation like a soviet gulag of old, and force everyone to speak English (however such literacy may be defined--and yet you mention 'freedom of speech')? The jump from the one to the others is a bit fuzzy for me.

  Thanks

  Olivier

• April 22, 2008

  8:35 a.m.

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  AC writes:

  Well, alive, what he said that isn't true is that "Colorado doesn't need" them. Apparently we do. Read the bill, talk witht he sponsors, talk with the agricultural people. Do you like eating? Why don't we import engineers? We do. Been to an engineering firm lately? Bruce's intemperate language, premeditated for two weeks as he admits to get the effect it did, violated the rules of the House and was merely the icing on his cake of lies.

• April 22, 2008

  8:37 a.m.

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  StandUp writes:

  Oliver wrote: ...better off just forcing our own poor people to work for slave wages...

  so let's just enslave the brown people YOU RACIST!!!!

• April 22, 2008

  8:40 a.m.

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  dilligaf writes:

  HumanBeans:
  First of all your not a racist for wanting the law enforced your a racist when you engage in name calling. And I'm sure the name "HUMANBEANS" is a pun. And second if you would bother reading what Bruce was commenting on was a bill to allow the Mexican workers to work LEGALLY picking crops that are dieing because we can't get redneck bigots like you to do it.

• April 22, 2008

  8:43 a.m.

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  lucindamaynes writes:

  Being Mexican American I do find Rep Douglas Bruce's comments to be offensive and formulated on ignorance. I have worked, with educated, college graduates that are illiterate. I have seen homeless, drug addicts and unemployed that live off our welfare system, that are not illegal immigrants or migrant workers. Illegal immigrants are not the source of our problem. In fact, in light of a law being proposed to issue 5000 temporary visa's for illegal immigrants, tells me we may have been a bit shortsighted and narrow minded in thinking that removing illegal immigrants from the state was a brilliant idea. My question to Rep Douglas Bruce, is what is your solution to the crops not being picked. Will it be your cousin, your neighbor, your brother your sister, who will harvest the crops? That is the issue, and if you can put aside your ignorance and prejudice regarding the migrant workers, what is your solution?

• April 22, 2008

  8:44 a.m.

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  fiesty writes:

  Diff- You discuss the fact that illegals contribute taxes and so forth, but the fact remains that is a drop in the bucket compared to the cost for having them here. Even the most conservative estimates I've read puts the overall cost for them at $30 billion a year (this from over 5 years ago); the most recent estimates are that it costs over $338.3 billion a year for them- more than the war in Iraq. And that's just the fiscal costs... what about social or economic? I have a problem doling out this much $$ not only for non-citizens, but those who WILLFULLY break our laws! Particularly when we can't even afford to fund the VA adequately to take care of our disabled veterans. [To be continued]

• April 22, 2008

  8:44 a.m.

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  fiesty writes:

  Here are a few facts for you, I also suggest you checkout fairus.org:

  1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year.
  http://tinyurl.com/zob77

  2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
  http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fisc...

  3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
  http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fisc...

  4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
  http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPT...

  5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
  http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPT...

  6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
  http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPT...

  7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
  http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPT...

  8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare and Social Services by the American taxpayers.
  http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/061...

  9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.

  10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two-and-a-half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US..
  http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPT...

  11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
  Homeland Security Report. http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

  12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a
  five year period.'
  http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.or...

  13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
  http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

  14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States '.
  http://www.drdsk..com/articleshtml

  Total cost (tax dollars) for illegal immigrants is a whopping... $338.3 BILLION A YEAR! (That's more than a year in Iraq!)

• April 22, 2008

  8:46 a.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  a bill to allow the Mexican workers to work LEGALLY picking crops

  This is a FEDERAL issue not the states! IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!

• April 22, 2008

  8:46 a.m.

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  malis writes:

  To all the Bruce worshipers and acolytes here today, after he's voted out in the Primary by the actual conservatives in his District, please beg him to move to yours and then elect him to serve you. Do then enjoy the complete lack of representation he's inflicted on us.

  The issue is not around any position he may take--it's that he's completely irrelevant to the process of governance. His positions, his statement, his ideas, mean nothing because of his voluntary abdication of any role in any serious debate.

  I agree with some of his ideas, disagree with others. The same will be true of his successor, but it will be nice to have those views back in the legislature (instead of just in the newspaper).

  Please help those of us in District 15 regain representation in the Colorado House by voting in the Republican Primary August 12th. Thank You.

• April 22, 2008

  8:48 a.m.

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  Oliver2 writes:

  Fiesty-

  Before you cut and paste your little broiler plate of a dozen suspect internet links, you might check them out. You pasted the same thing earlier, I believe.

• April 22, 2008

  8:48 a.m.

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  fiesty writes:

  mochsl - baloney. Fairus.org and other studies have calculated the estimated input INTO the economy, and quite generous estimates at that.

• April 22, 2008

  8:49 a.m.

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  NotYours writes:

  Whether you agree with Bruce or not -- is not the point.

  The point is -- an elected lawmaker was removed from the microphone because the lawmaker in control did not agree with what he was saying.

  Regardless of what you think about immigrants -- the fundamental premise of Kathleen Curry's action is completely ILLEGAL.

  FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS EVEN MORE IMPORTANT IN THE HALLS OF THE LEGISLATURE.

  Douglas Bruce should be ashamed of himself.

  Kathleen Curry failed her responsibility to the People. She should be censured for breach of the US Constitution and removed from her position as committee chair.

• April 22, 2008

  8:50 a.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  HumanBeans, you do not travel much do ya?

  When in fact Mexico has the same or better......

  My A_S_S. Aint nothin same or better in Mexico or why are 15% of Mexican citizens living illegaly in the US. D_U_M_B A_S_S

• April 22, 2008

  8:52 a.m.

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  gary writes:

  Bruce has the right to speak...period. How dare the chairman to cut him off without allowing him to finish. Freedom of speech in Colorado?? What crap at the State House!!

  Question for all of those slamming Bruce and backing the immigrant protectors.

  When it comes to enforcing the immigration laws...you say "it is the Federal Governments law and the Federal Government needs to enforce it. Not Denver or Colorado. Now...all of a sudden... the Colorado Senate wants to create it's own immigrant worker program.

  Why is it that Colorado wants to enforce a worker program but not the current immigration laws??

  You can not have it both ways. If Colorado and Denver does not enforce the immigration laws..then the Federal laws on emergency health care and education...should not be enforced either.

  You enforce the laws or you do not. Colorado picks and chooses which Federal Laws they want.

  Nuff Said!!

• April 22, 2008

  8:53 a.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  Right on gary!

• April 22, 2008

  9 a.m.

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  fiesty writes:

  Oliver2- no I didn't, Fresh did.

  Froward69- if that's truly the case, then why ARE they so eager to come here for medical care? For example, at Parkland Hospital in Dallas, Texas, over 70% of the women who gave birth in 2006 were illegal immigrants. http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigr...

  All- Quit throwing out the "racist" and "hate" card. It's not wrong to identify a problem, identify those breaking the law, advocate punishing those who break the law, or push to have our laws enforced. You're only showing how weak your argument is by using that card.

• April 22, 2008

  9:03 a.m.

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  American100 writes:

  This is too funnny.

  Let's have a funeral for political correctness.

• April 22, 2008

  9:03 a.m.

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  Oliver2 writes:

  Not_Yours

  1.Douglas Bruce was not elected to his position in the state house
  2.The House--like all legislative bodies--sets its own rules.
  3. If a member chooses to not abide by those rules, there are consequences. Not abiding by those rules is not called FREE SPEECH. 4.Doug is free to introduce legislation urging that this be stopped, or a resolution branding agricultural workers from south of the border as 'illiterate peasants.' That's the process he agreed to partake in. Why should he alone be able to operate under differnt rules?

• April 22, 2008

  9:03 a.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  illiterate peasants = stupid Mexicans

  60 to 70% of illegal aliens have a 4th grade education or less!

  Bruce is a very honest man.

• April 22, 2008

  9:08 a.m.

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  JeanB writes:

  Gary is absolutely correct. How dare Kathleen Curry 'gavel down' a person wanting to express an opinion. Her email :
  kathleencurry@montrose.net

  I think what she did was reprehensible. Although Bruce may have used harsh words, I believe he has the right to speak.

  His constituents will deal with him, that is what democracy is about.

  JeanB

• April 22, 2008

  9:11 a.m.

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  farsidefan writes:

  Methinks Dougie is trying to play the immigration card now that Tommie Tancredo will be out of the picture. I wonder how many "illegals" he has rented his slums to..

• April 22, 2008

  9:19 a.m.

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  Oliver2 writes:

  Thanks for summing up all the arguments made by the KNOW NOTHINGS above.

  "Posted by HumanBeans on April 22, 2008 at 9:03 a.m. illiterate peasants = stupid Mexicans"

• April 22, 2008

  9:20 a.m.

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  American100 writes:

  Thanks JeanB

  I sent the email. I had my wife and assistant send one too. I'll be handing out that email all day long.

  Kudos to you.

• April 22, 2008

  9:26 a.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  Oliver2

  The truth hurts!

• April 22, 2008

  9:27 a.m.

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  American100 writes:

  Oh and Tancredo is NOT out of the picture.

  Once he isn't hindered by politics he will have a much more powerful influence AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

• April 22, 2008

  9:29 a.m.

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  Oliver2 writes:

  HB-

  The fact that you are a fool does not really bother me too much or cause me pain.

• April 22, 2008

  9:36 a.m.

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  fiesty writes:

  Forward69- I wasn't referring to the anchor baby situation, but addressing the fallacy that they don't prefer free American medical care over the lower cost, power quality medical care in Mexico.

  Also, when I was a single mother in the military, I was "attempting to ensure a better future" for myself and my son. However, I never thought about breaking the law to do so, harming another (identity theft), taking benefits that didn't belong to me (free health care etc), and so on. People like Oliver2 forget that illegal immigration is NOT a victimless crime. Not only does it hurt individuals, but the whole of society.

• April 22, 2008

  9:42 a.m.

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  dilligaf writes:

  HumanBeans:
  Reading your posts I would guess you have about a 3rd grade education and is married to your sister. By any chance are you from Arkansas?

• April 22, 2008

  9:44 a.m.

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  StandUp writes:

  Let's face it, Illegal Immigrants from Mexico have won the geographical lottery. Do you not think people from Vietnam, China, and numerous European countries want to come here. Oh wait, they have to play by the rules. Why are they not expected to obey our laws?
  At leat ONE parent should be an American citizen in order for the child to be a citizen. Funny, every country seems to hate America yet they all want to move here?

  Posted by Froward69 on April 22, 2008 at 9:26 a.m. fiesty, I never said that they did not come here to ensure their child is born an American citizen. "anchor baby" is the term.
  YOU would TOO. if you were in their shoes. Would you not attempt to ensure a better future for your kids?
  All i said was that medical/Dental treatment is the same yet less expensive than it is here. those children would be just as safe born in Mexico just without that automatic American citizenship.

• April 22, 2008

  9:52 a.m.

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  vudumom writes:

  After reading all the comments and the story above,I have to agree on a few things brought up.
  1. Douglas Bruce has the right to free speech. Though you may disagree with his statements, he still has that right in this country. Kathleen Curry had no right to stop him from speaking. She has denied him his right to free speech. She could have gone on the record disagreeing with his statement,but has no right to stop him from speaking.
  2. Bringing more workers into this country on work visas is not a good thing.No one has said if these workers are going to be supervised and sent back when their visas expire. No one has said if they are going to be all men. We know women have come to pick crops, so if they become pregnant and give birth to a border baby ,who is going to pick up the tab for the medical expenses and then what happens when she should have been sent back but has had an legal citizen child? What is the cost of housing ,medical care,food,clothing and rounding up the worker's who have over stayed their visas?
  3. There is no reason why the state can't have minimum security inmates picking crops. Their wages should be at the going rate,with some going to the state and most going into a bank account so they have money when they get out. A nice deterent to going back to jail or prison and they have money to start a new life when they get out. Which is a problem for many inmates leaving the system.
  4. Colorado has got to stop the don't ask , don't tell when stopping illegals for traffic violations and other criminal activities. They often stop illegals for traffic violations and let them go even if they have no license and no insurance.If they cannot prove who they are and are in this country illegally they should be arrested on the spot and sent to jail. The vehicle should be impounded and if the person is found to be here illegaly the car sold at auction.If the car has a loan on it ,it should be traced back to the seller and bank or lender and they should be fined for illegally selling a vehicle without proper identification. If the vehicle is in another person's name that person should be charged also with aiding and abetting an illegal alien.
  5. Arizona is cracking down on illegal aliens. It is working. They are now fining businesses who hire illegals and when stopping illegals for traffic violations they are sent right to jail. The illegals are leaving and going to other states ,let's stop them from coming here and staying here.
  6. At one time Clinton had a law on the books that a person could only have 5 years of welfare. What happened to that law and if it is still on the books why isn't it being enforced?Also a law is on the books that if you are here legally you cannot recieve any social services. What happened to the enforcement of that law? Why should illegals get welfare of any kind whether they have a baby here or not?
  Racist statements? No. I just want the laws enforced.

• April 22, 2008

  9:54 a.m.

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  T1anda writes:

  I can't stop laughing!!!!!

• April 22, 2008

  9:55 a.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  Mr. dilligaf:

  Reading your posts I would guess you have about a 1rd grade education and is married to your brother, and cheating on him with your father. By any chance are you from Mexico?

• April 22, 2008

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  fiesty writes:

  Froward69- oh please. I haven't met one illegal immigrant here that was dying in their home country; there is a VAST difference between "trying to survive" and trying to improve one's situation. Don't make them out to be the same.

  If it were me, and I was trying to make a better life for myself and family, I would do something in MY country rather than going to another country and breaking its laws (especially when that country makes it easy and rewards you for doing it). But compare American jails to say, Mexican, jails and you see why. Even if I wanted to go to that other country, I would FOLLOW THE RULES and apply.

  I am a compassionate person, and though I am struggling, I do give as much as I can to charity. However, though sad, I know there's a limit as to what I can provide. America is no different. Americans are the most compassionate on earth, but we don't have unlimited resources. We have to draw a line. Nor is it fair to give preferential treatment to one minority simply because they have a geographical advantage.

• April 22, 2008

  10:07 a.m.

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  fiesty writes:

  mochsl/Diff- Study after study shows that immigrants cost taxpayers far, far more in public services use than they pay in to the system via taxes. (See, for example, The Net National Costs of Immigration, Donald Huddle, Rice University, 1997) http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer...

• April 22, 2008

  10:13 a.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  StandUp

  Please sit down!

• April 22, 2008

  10:17 a.m.

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  CaptainObvious writes:

  What's the big deal? There will always be people who can't stand the obvious to be simply stated, why should this be any different?

• April 22, 2008

  10:19 a.m.

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  CWW writes:

  Excellent post, vudumom. I second all your comments. Too bad we can't the politicians to enforce the laws we already have.

• April 22, 2008

  10:21 a.m.

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  Spencer writes:

  Posted by HumanBeans on April 22, 2008 at 9:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
  Mr. dilligaf:

  Reading your posts I would guess you have about a 1rd grade education and is married to your brother, and cheating on him with your father. By any chance are you from Mexico?

  Who is calling who illiterate? What is a 1 rd grade education? ..and IS married???

• April 22, 2008

  10:21 a.m.

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  politwriter writes:

  The Left-wing extremist, K. Curry, has become a national laughingstock as a result of the national coverage of her quasi-fascist effort to silence an elected legislator.

  She has made Colorado look like a banana Republic.

  The fact is undeniable that the average illegal alien has the equivalent of a 4th grade education and is illiterate in both his native language and certainly in the English language.

  Most seasonal workers stay illegally and blend into the other illegal alien population.

  Facts are stubborn things.

  The Colorado Legislature is widely now viewed as an anti-Democratic farce, because of the exposure given to the Stalinesque tactics of this foul, liberal feminazi, Curry.

• April 22, 2008

  10:21 a.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  dilligaf

  your a racist when you engage in name calling.

  Mexican workers to work LEGALLY picking crops that are dieing because we can't get redneck bigots like you to do it.

  *************************************
  NEWS FLASH
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  DILLIGAF IA A RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

• April 22, 2008

  10:22 a.m.

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  StandUp writes:

  Um HumanBean you are a tard. With they way you like to silence people (at least leagal citizens) you would think you were Mrs. Curry.

• April 22, 2008

  10:23 a.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  Spencer

  your a geenus!

• April 22, 2008

  10:23 a.m.

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  Oliver2 writes:

  Bruce was not elected. How many times do you have to read that before you understand. It's like you are illiterate or something.

• April 22, 2008

  10:24 a.m.

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  Oh_Wise_One writes:

  "Los Angeles is at the leading edge of a U.S. demographic trend, with half of its workforce immigrants, many of them unskilled and speaking little English." From upi.com today.
  This fits the description that Bruce used. The only item they left out was the word "illegal" between workforce and immigrant.

• April 22, 2008

  10:30 a.m.

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  fiesty writes:

  "Too bad we can't the politicians to enforce the laws we already have."

  CW- Hear, hear! We don't need any more legislation, and there wouldn't BE a problem if the laws we have were simply enforced!

• April 22, 2008

  10:34 a.m.

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  StandUp writes:

  Re: Getting things on the right side of our shared border.

  Dear Presidente Calderon,

  Recently I read that Mexico has requested that a 1.5 mile long border fence near Columbus, N.M. be torn down and moved, as sections of it seem to be 1 to 6 feet inside Mexico. All I can say is that it is wonderful that you apparently now know where the border is! How refreshing to find a member of the Mexican government that respects the border and has become such a stickler for the details surrounding it.

  Since the United States of America is a good neighbor, and not a corrupt mischief-maker, I can assure you that the offending sections of the fence will be removed, just as soon as you give our workers permission to enter Mexico and remove the fence. After all, what sort of government would purposely send its laborers into another country to conduct demolition and construction without first obtaining the proper authorization?

  Along those lines (and I hesitate to bring this up, since I hate to be a bother about small stuff), are you aware that Mexico also seems to have inadvertently placed some things on the wrong side of the same border? I refer here to the 12% of your adult population that has somehow ended up anywhere from 1 to 12.5 million feet inside my country.

  Now I know that millions of human beings dispersed throughout an entire nation and consuming billions of dollars in health care, education, law enforcement and welfare resources (while committing identity theft, tax evasion, workplace safety and minimum wage infractions, immigration violations and enough serious crime that they are now one fifth of our federal prison population) can’t in any way compare to a fence through a barren dessert that you didn’t know was 1 foot too far south until we told you; but please, could you try to retrieve your people while we work on that fence?

  And again, make sure you give our workers permission to cross into Mexico to remove that fence, or else we can’t come in! That’s how a border works, you know. Gracias!

  Your good neighbor,

  Mac Johnson

• April 22, 2008

  10:36 a.m.

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  StandUp writes:

  I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and extended family, and I would like to ask you to assist me. I'm going to walk across the border from the U.S. into Mexico, and I need to make a few arrangements. I know you can help with this. I plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration quotas and laws. I'm sure you handle those things the same way we do here.

  So, we will be expecting the following:
  1. Free medical care for my entire family.
  2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need, whether I use them or not.
  3. All government forms need to be printed in English.
  4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking teachers.
  5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.
  6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on the top of the flag pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.
  7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and lunch.
  8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy access to government services.
  9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won't make any effort to learn local traffic laws.
  10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get your memo from to leave me alone, please be sure that all police officers speak English.
  11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put flag decals on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals. I also want the locals to pay for all related security, a park, electricity, vendor booths and clean up and all other costs related to this celebration.
  12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, and don't enforce any labor laws or tax laws.
  13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice and never say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might place on the Mexican economy.
  14. I'd like a voter registration card so I can vote in Mexican elections

  I know this is an easy request for you because the U.S. already does all of these things for all the people who come to the U.S. from Mexico. I am sure that you won't mind returning the favor.

  Thank you so much for your kind help

• April 22, 2008

  10:47 a.m.

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  AC writes:

  Reply to:

  Posted by NotYours on April 22, 2008 at 8:49 a.m.
  "Whether you agree with Bruce or not -- is not the point. The point is -- an elected lawmaker was removed from the microphone because the lawmaker in control did not agree with what he was saying. Regardless of what you think about immigrants -- the fundamental premise of Kathleen Curry's action is completely ILLEGAL."

  AND

  Posted by vudumom on April 22, 2008 at 9:52 a.m.:
  "After reading all the comments and the story above,I have to agree on a few things brought up.
  "1. Douglas Bruce has the right to free speech. Though you may disagree with his statements, he still has that right in this country. Kathleen Curry had no right to stop him from speaking. She has denied him his right to free speech. She could have gone on the record disagreeing with his statement,but has no right to stop him from speaking."

  You are both WRONG.

  Bruce's freedom of speech isn't at issue. He is free to have any speech he wants. But not in the well of the House during a debate under which rules are in place that he violates. He can't get up on a bill dealing with highway funding, for instance, and rant on about bad drivers. Same thing. His freedom of speech was NOT denied; he was abusing the privilege and Curry was absolutely CORRECT to cut him off. He is a sideshow and an embarrassment to the state. He's an attention whore. He refused to speak to the bill itself, and was properly cut off.

• April 22, 2008

  10:53 a.m.

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  StandUp writes:

  ::AC::

  But not in the well of the House during a debate under which rules are in place that he violates. He can't get up on a bill dealing with highway funding, for instance, and rant on about bad drivers. Same thing. His freedom of speech was NOT denied; he was abusing the privilege

  ----> Have you seen bill discussions before??? They RAMBLE all the time, but because he said something about the most protected criminals on the plant he gets shut down.

  Cross the border + breaking the law = ILLEGAL Immigrant
  How is this so hard people?

  Let anyone in Denver lock up that is there for theft/robbery out - after all they were only stealing to have a better life - see silly argument, isn't it. We are selectively enforcing laws.
  Why are Mexicans allowed to steal the resources of this country? Just curious

• April 22, 2008

  10:54 a.m.

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  malis writes:

  Again, the issue is not around any position Doug Bruce may take--it's that he's completely irrelevant to the process of governance. His positions, his statements, his ideas, mean nothing because of his voluntary abdication of any role in serious debate.

  I agree with some of his positions, disagree with others. The same, no doubt, will be true of his successor...but it will be nice to have those views back in the legislature (instead of just in the newspaper).

  If you happen to be a resident my District, please help the conservatives of District 15 regain representation in the Colorado House, by voting in the Republican Primary August 12th. Thank You.

• April 22, 2008

  10:55 a.m.

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  mojambo writes:

  Because Reps. Curry and Looper SAY it isn't about immigration - illegal or otherwise - does not MEAN that it isn't about immigration, illegal or otherwise.

  PC word games and the hiding of the true meaning behind their actions is no longer cloaked in the veil of secrecy. Kudos to Rep. Bruce for illuminating this issue. Evidenced by the overwhelming opinions on this matter, he speaks for the, until now, quieted majority that our "representative" government has been ignoring.

• April 22, 2008

  11:05 a.m.

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  LuckyMe writes:

  For all of you that obviously do not understand the rules of the House, please check out colorado.gov Curry had absolute discretion over Bruce's comments. It's all there folks. Free speech is free speech if your a civilian, not a public servant.

• April 22, 2008

  11:07 a.m.

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  nonayerbsns writes:

  RPMCMURPHY: there is no such word as "IRREGARDLESS"... talk about being illiterate! yeesh.

• April 22, 2008

  11:13 a.m.

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  Diff writes:

  fiesty:
  Yeah yeah yeah estimates from this .org and statements quoted in a news report, and "facts"from some organization with a political agenda etc does NOT make them facts -
  "figurs don't lie, but liars sure can figure"
  I am sure there are costs involved, I'll give you that point, However there would be costs incurred and passed on to you and me if the alien workers where not here doing what they do for the wages they work for as well!
  Tthat is why business wants them here and you will only see changes to what we call "illegal" or not ...

  Many of those costs - attached to make up some "estimate" are costs that are in place,( and would remain in place) it's a mater of where, when and how you count them!
  This is politics and that is never pragmatic and seldom fatual!
  Don't be so stupid as to believe everything you see or read just because it is in print
  But this in not as much a debate about the Mexican workers, (although it WAS until Brucie opened his fool mouth) it is about a IDIOT who runs his mouth off before thinking!
  and I hope the legislature (who seem to agree with me and many more)kick his Arse out of out state house for good!

• April 22, 2008

  11:20 a.m.

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  OpenYourEyes303 writes:

  Just another racist republican who can't bare to see any minority strive to better qualities of life by taking the least paying jobs that Americans will not work. Idiots, maybe all who are cosigning with him should tell their sons or daughters to go and harvest all the fields! I bet they'll run to it! Yeah right! Let them do it, who else is gonna do it?

• April 22, 2008

  11:22 a.m.

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  dilligaf writes:

  HumanBeans wrote: "I would guess you have about a 1rd grade education"

  It is 1st grade not 1rd grade. You just prove me right about your level of education.

• April 22, 2008

  11:23 a.m.

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  malis writes:

  Irrespective and regardless of the nattering about "non-standard words," nonayerbsns is right, "irregardless" simply is not a word (it's a double negative--the prefix 'ir' and suffix 'less' leaving the literal meaning, "regarding").

• April 22, 2008

  11:30 a.m.

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  AC writes:

  Posted by StandUp on April 22, 2008 at 10:53 a.m.
  "Have you seen bill discussions before??? They RAMBLE all the time, but because he said something about the most protected criminals on the plant he gets shut down."

  "Cross the border + breaking the law = ILLEGAL Immigrant
  How is this so hard people?"

  "Let anyone in Denver lock up that is there for theft/robbery out -after all they were only stealing to have a better life - see silly argument, isn't it. We are selectively enforcing laws.
  Why are Mexicans allowed to steal the resources of this country? Just curious"

  Standup: You're wrong on so many levels it's hard to know where to start! <chuckle> But get some help for your unbridled bigotry. Why not go meet some of these folks you're deriding?

  Yes, I have watched and listened to many legislative committee and floor debates. The speaker or chair is CONSTANTLY reminding those who wander off subject to return to the topic or stop talking. Bruce doesn't get a pass just because he's an ignorant moron who doesn't think rules should hinder his "look at me" parade.

  And the bill isn't about "illegal immigration." You frightened folks tend to conflate everything. It's about finding a way to employ legal seasonal workers -- what part of LEGAL keeps going over your tiny heads?

• April 22, 2008

  11:31 a.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  You just prove me right about your level of education. LOL - Good one!

• April 22, 2008

  11:33 a.m.

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  SanctuaryCity writes:

  He's calling it what it is.

• April 22, 2008

  11:38 a.m.

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  CWW writes:

  Standup, loved your letters to el presidente. Too true!

  However, we probably do need all the illegals, because who else is going to work at Taco Bell and clean my house. Since they won't learn English, that's about all they'll be able to do except pick crops.

• April 22, 2008

  11:38 a.m.

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  samsmargolis writes:

  13. Recognition ) Speaking )
  Limitation on Speaking

  (a) No member rising to speak, debate, give a notice, make a motion, submit a report, or for any other purpose, shall proceed before addressing and being recognized by the chair, whereupon the member may proceed to address the House from the central microphone, or from his or her desk, confining his or her remarks to the purpose for which the member rose.

  So, how exactly did Bruce violate his limitation on speaking? I think it amounts to Contempt of Curry and little else. She didn't like what he said - although it was on topic - so she shut him down. I'd like to see all those with common sense in the legislature hold Curry accountable for abusing her position.

• April 22, 2008

  11:41 a.m.

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  AC writes:

  ToeNee: The reality belies your wish. There are apparently not enough since the produce is rotting in the fields. Rhetoric is fine, but tell that to Mr. Farmer who can't get your kids to work for him. He's getting squeezed at both ends, and if you enjoy eating today and maybe tomorrow, you understand that Bruce's remarks were off-topic. Did you see the clip of him on the teevee last night when he and Looper were debating and she made reference to "picking your crops?" and Bruce replied "I don't have any crops." You see? It's all about him and his little slumlord world. Since he doesn't have a farm, with produce to pick, why should he care about how he's causing problems for others. He's a complete attention whore.

• April 22, 2008

  11:46 a.m.

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  johnson writes:

  How come here in the States, I have to press "1" for English, but when I go to Mexico I don't get that option?

• April 22, 2008

  11:46 a.m.

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  Lowtaxequalsfreedom writes:

  AC,

  What is a slumlord?

• April 22, 2008

  11:49 a.m.

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  OpenYourEyes303 writes:

  If you guys think about it a lil' more, why would they, "greedy", "racist" politicians, wanna make things easier for Illegals? Or in that case make them legal just so they can work for minimal pay? I think the Big Picture is keep them Illegal so they can keep paying them S--T, also if they are illegal, all taxes are kept instead of put into their social securities? The government screws them over plenty of times!!!! That's the truth!!!! All Jails and Major corps. are owned my creepy politicians. I wouldn't doubt if politicians own most agricultural fields too...

• April 22, 2008

  11:50 a.m.

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  Diff writes:

  AC - what could anyone mean "we have plenty of able bodies here to do the work" ???????
  I'll give you a week and bet you could not find 10 white American born citizens, that are working in the fields in Colorado.

  Sure, it c
  should be right to question; "do we need to have more alien guest workers?" everything should be questioned, and thus examined.
  However that could have been done by DB is a somewhat more sane and respectful way - he just showed is lack of integrity and his bigotry and by that lost his credibility by what he said and the way he said it!
  HE could have made his point and not brought the spot light of the critics on himself. But he was not smart enough to do it?!?

  And BTW what this bill was about haveing more LEGAL workers in the state - and Colorado along with the whole US brings in 100 of thousands of legal seasonal workers every year - and some companies and industries suffer when there are not enough of them to fill all the needs.
  SO it would seem that there are not so many able and will bodies right here to do the work...
  Think it through people - THINK!

• April 22, 2008

  11:55 a.m.

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  JackieMC writes:

  The truth hurts I guess.

• April 22, 2008

  11:55 a.m.

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  OpenYourEyes303 writes:

  Open your eyes DIFF where are they?

• April 22, 2008

  12:07 p.m.

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  redwhiteandBLUE writes:

  How dare YOU...Kathleen Curry!!!!!!!!!!!!

• April 22, 2008

  12:09 p.m.

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  AC writes:

  Posted by Lowtaxequalsfreedom on April 22, 2008 at 11:46 a.m.
  "AC,

  "What is a slumlord?"

  Doug Bruce is a slumlord. Check it out.

• April 22, 2008

  12:10 p.m.

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  DavidG writes:

  I've lived in something like six states, followed state and local government for my whole adult life, and have been both pro and con on some of the more recent legislation regarding immigrant visas. However, NEVER had I heard of a case of such vagrant bigotry as this Rep. Bruce in this, my most recent state of residency. This state should make a national example out of him and throw him out of office, not just for this transgression, but the others as well.

• April 22, 2008

  12:16 p.m.

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  ONEman writes:

  As long as you throw racist garb and insults toward them as a people, then you only set yourselves apart those of us who want order but without the stench of racism because we all know where that will lead us. I see words like vermon, slither,low lifes not to mention peasants. It's not about America those words show dislike for Mexicans as a whole. How do you expect someone to listen to your point when you smother it in sh**. It's kinda hard to ignore the smell and listen to the point. These words are'nt necessary to prove your point. But the moment you use them you lose all credibility and become a bigot. That's your fault if you can't speak in an educated and civil manner. Even if you want to hide under the free speech blanket.

• April 22, 2008

  12:23 p.m.

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  ONEman writes:

  Just found out I'm gonna be a Daddy. Better add 1 more to your data Fresh. LOL. Man I love this Country.

• April 22, 2008

  12:31 p.m.

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  StandUp writes:

  The politicians are saying we need imported labor?
  Wemay have to suck itup to get the US back. In the fall we all drive to pumpkin patches to get pumpkins. Why can't we drive to pick our own fruit, veggies etc. that just notfit our "Oh gotta behome to watch Survivor" lifestyle. Somesort of shipping direct from grower system could be set up on a large scale. Where is the old American "we can doit" mentality?? Why don't they have a pick your own cabbage and veggies- you know where it's been (do you think they put port-o-pots in the field? E-coli anyone)
  America, wake up and do what it takes to take back your country!!!
  We have allbecome to lax with our elected officials who seem to have eveybody's best intrestin mind other than US citizens.
  There has to be another solution than allowing MORE people into the US.
  What a mess

• April 22, 2008

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  ONEman writes:

  This is the discussion I had with a lot of you and you said it's not about Mexicans, it's about legal and illegal. Now here is a chance for them to be legal. Your stance still has'nt changed. So just face it, it's about racism , is'nt it?

• April 22, 2008

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  bettyblu00 writes:

  I agree with others... the comments made by this elected official were inappropriate. But I will not agrue about the language used. Instead...

  The US has an issue with immigration. That is evident, no matter what set of statistics you choose to reference. I believe it is the role of elected officials to productively discuss how to address the issue and come up with a solution. My problem with Douglas Bruce is that his comments were a distraction. Instead of making comments that will spark debate about word choice, he should be sharing ideas about addressing this issue.

  If he is incapable of adding value to the legislative process, then he should step aside.

• April 22, 2008

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  DenverBoy writes:

  People! Pull your heads out of your PC asses!!! First peasant is not a derogative term:

  Definitions of peasant on the Web:

  * a country person
  * one of a (chiefly European) class of agricultural laborers
  * a crude uncouth ill-bred person lacking culture or refinement

  That fits Mexican immigrant laborers perfectly. Listen they live 5 - 10 in a house, use our system, hate our country, deal in drugs and gangs, and are continually in the news for rapes and murders. Sure there are lots of hardworking Mexicans searching for a better life. But let's get real, they are mostly un-educated (probably not illiterate, but not the most literate), poor, farmers, i.e peasants. I am glad Rep. Bruce has the gaul to say this before our state and city of Denver resemble Los Angeles - full of Mexicans who hate our country and have no respect for our social rules or Mores. I blame the Mexican government - which nobody talks about!! They are searching for a better life, but hey we are knee deep in a recession and we could all use more jobs, such as agriculture and manufacturing - and don't say that Americans won't work these jobs - we will, they just won't pay us what we deserve. Close the Border, End NAFTA.

• April 22, 2008

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  ONEman writes:

  This is my point exactly Denver boy. How do you know the over under on how many Mexicans are honest and civil and which are not? Do you go around doing surveys. It's an assumption which makes an ASS to do so.

• April 22, 2008

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  Butterfly writes:

  Go the the General Assembly website:

  http://www.leg.state.co.us/Clics/CLIC...

  Look up HB1325, then take the time to actually READ the bill.

  There are specific provisions in the bill that state that the workers CANNOT bring any family members with them. There are also provisions stating that if the worker does not show up for work, etc., that the employer MUST report them to the Dept. of Labor and Employment and local law enforcement agencies.

  Agree with the bill or not, but some of you idiots need to take the time to actually READ legislation before you b*tch about it.

  Speaking of being "illiterate peasants", from reading some of these comments it seems that many of you could use a brushing up on your grammar skills, in addition to needing more education in civics and the functions of government, before you start casting stones at Mexican farm workers who pick your vegetables while your own lazy teenagers sit around picking their noses instead of working.

• April 22, 2008

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  HumanBeans writes:

  over under on how many Mexicans are honest and civil and which are not?

  Well we know 7 out of every 10 Mexicans in th US are illegal aliens.
  Hows that for an over/under!

• April 22, 2008

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  HumanBeans writes:

  Butterfly

  There are already 10 guest worker programs. Its a federal issue. HELLO!

• April 22, 2008

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  my3pugs writes:

  Immigrant laborers, especially illegals, are less likely to deal in drugs and gangs or commit violent crimes; those are largely citizens.

  "they just won't pay us what we deserve" You won't pay the food prices that would result from that pay level. The food would rot on the shelves and suppliers know it. It would cheaper to import our food.

• April 22, 2008

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  rodney writes:

  WOW WHY IS THIS STATEMENT BAD ? IT IS HONEST AND ACCURATE. IF THIS IS A BAD CHOICE OF WORDS PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE LANGUAGE ON TV AND IN THE LYRICS OF OUR CURRENT POPULAR MUSIC.

• April 22, 2008

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  Lowtaxequalsfreedom writes:

  AC,

  How would you define slumlord? I know DB and he appears to be a businessman who accepts voluntary payment from customers who voluntarily live in his properties. Unlike the Government who forcibly takes payment. For example if you do not pay your property tax because you protest how the money is wasted they will use force to remove you from your home.

  So let me ask you again. What is a slumlord?

• April 22, 2008

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  ONEman writes:

  Beans you and I both know, even if they were legal it would'nt make any difference to you and your "ilk "(that is such a stupid word). You just don't want to share "your America" with others who don't look or act like you.

• April 22, 2008

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  DenverDan writes:

  A member of the "Good old Boy club". They are still around. Why are they all REP?

• April 22, 2008

  1:28 p.m.

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  Diff writes:

  OpenYourEyes303:
  Where are who? whatareyoutalkingabout?
  Can't you string together enough words to make full sentence of your question?
  So who is illiterate?
  Dougie Bruce is an idiot and that is hard to argue against.
  The republicans what him out, the people in his district want him, the State legislative members want him out.
  Most poeple in the state want him gone.
  What more need be said?

  OUT

• April 22, 2008

  1:28 p.m.

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  OpenYourEyes303 writes:

  Face it! Racism is it, Oneman knows what he's talking about. There's plenty more of him all over, taking back what was once his. One City at a time. It's was paved by all the other politicians who's faces are in our U.S. Currency.....

• April 22, 2008

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  Lowtaxequalsfreedom writes:

  Open borders and the current welfare state are incompatible. Milton Freidman.

• April 22, 2008

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  Butterfly writes:

  Well then, HumanBeans, if it's a federal issue, then maybe the Feds should step up and deal with immigration issues like they are supposed to so that the states don't have to. Nobody says that this bill HAS to pass - if you don't like it, then tell your state rep to vote "No" and take the issue up with Colorado's federal congresspeople. The point I was trying to make is that American citizens need to take the time to read and study what's going on in their government instead of relying on sound bites, and that people shouldn't throw around the term "illiterate" when they obviously didn't pay attention in elementary school English classes themselves - a little bit hypocritical, don't you think?

• April 22, 2008

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  ONEman writes:

  AVSWALLOW-hatred at our country by not learning the language, disrespeciting our laws, disrespecting our customs, disrespecting our flag and basically displaying an overall distain for the country.

  So all Americans obey the laws, "like"learn "like" proper English and "like" never have any distain for "like" this Country and stuff?LOL

  Go have a talk with your kids Tyler and Piper, come back and say that again with a straight face. "Like" give us a break on the Holier than thou White American garb.

• April 22, 2008

  1:39 p.m.

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  notpoliticallycorrect writes:

  You go Rep. Bruce! He said absolutely nothing wrong. He told the truth. Unfortunately we as voters continually vote for Representatives that are too afraid to hurt anyone's feelings and thus our country is going down the drain. "Let's not step on any ones toes, we don't want to make them cry" BooHoo. It is our own fault. We need more politicians like Bruce to get our county from going any further into the gutter.
  Rep. Bruce if you need anyone to rally at your side, you just let me know. I'm there for ya buddy.

• April 22, 2008

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  KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

  Uhmmmm it's because of a Republican that we're in the gutter.

• April 22, 2008

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  ONEman writes:

  Open you eyes, WTH are you smokin? This is the real problem in America today. Meth! Stop methin aroun, open your eyes 303 and get hooked on Phonics.

• April 22, 2008

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  HumanBeans writes:

  ONEman
  You just don't want to share "your America" with others who don't look or act like you.

  My wife ia a resident alien from the Philippines, pull your head out of your A_S_S.

• April 22, 2008

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  JSeifert writes:

  God these people wine to much and they make our laws? If telling truth is bad what is good? I do not hear from the left about freedom of speech Guess its only if they agree with you! Lawmakers and the left hate TABOR because it puts the power back in the peoples hand and you know how much they hate that. While you might hate what he says does he not still have the right to say it? I guess the constitution only works one way for the Elite not the regular people. If anything what Curry did should have made front news since she hates him anyway since her & her husband money making came to light. Nothing like being in charge to gage anyone that works against you or might take money out of your pocket. If anyone gets censored it was MRS. Curry violating the Bill of rights like that but hay the news only cares about Bruce being politicaly uncorrect not the violations of the bill of rights by Curry.

• April 22, 2008

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  KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

  Freedom of speach is what makes our country great and I have no problem with him saying what he did, my ancesters never crossed the border the border crossed them. I just think he's an ignorant bigot, whos agenda is to make life misserable after his two failed senate campaigns and his newly appointed seat (which he aquired by default I might add). He's just another rich Californian who had nothing better to do than to cause problems here in the state of Colorado. One good thing about him I guess, he was downstream up until 1986.

• April 22, 2008

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  scrabbler writes:

  notpoliticallycorrect: That is exactly what our country needs is someone to stir up hatred and strong feelings. EXACTLY! GENIUS! What a great thing to teach our children on how to behave when they don't agree with something. Instead of looking for solutions to crops that are otherwise useless, he is betting on the United States emotional feelings about illegal immigration.

  The proposal is to give temporary visas which would in turn make them LEGAL workers. Illegal immigration is a HUGE problem in our country and a solution was presented to deal with it, but I gather that it wouldn't matter because you already feel that he is correct. According to you if more naysayers could just come forward and dole out the harshest punishments, our countries problems would then *poof* dissapear. I personally don't think it would solve anything.

  I've read through countless postings and still I have yet to see any other solutions being brought up. So who is going to work the fields? Wait..I did read one, teenagers! Yes teenagers will submit to working the fields..I doubt it. Good luck with that,(ABC always buy Colorado unless of course it's rotting..HEH.)

  Insults do nothing but to incite rage and is a dirty tactic. Propose solutions! Do it with decorum. Our country is going into the gutter along with the dollar, dollar bill yall. And if we can't work our own fields...does this mean we will one day shortly be standing in a long line looking to get a ration of non perishibles like beans..NOW that would be ironic...don't cha think?

• April 22, 2008

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  ONEman writes:

  Beans bet you met her on Liberty in the Philippines, huh?

  Mexican women can't just wait on a loser G.I. like you. to fall in love with his first piece of a**(that he had to pay for) and bring her home.
  I've been to P.I. I know how it works and I've seen tons of drips like you who marry these ladies. No offense, if that's what you want to do, all I'm saying is you should be the last one bitching about immigration and who should be here or not.

• April 22, 2008

  2:07 p.m.

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  notknowitall writes:

  This man still around? I was sure that he and Tom had both moved to a state that really gives a s*%$ about what they say and do.
  To bad they haven't moved to Washington, they would both fit in with all the other scum.

• April 22, 2008

  2:08 p.m.

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  dilligaf writes:

  Butterfly:
  You are so correct. People like humanbeans has proven in his posts that he had trouble getting out of the third grade. He didn't read the law because one he don't care he is just a bigot and don't want Mexicans in HIS country. And two he wouldn't understand what he would read anyway.

• April 22, 2008

  2:13 p.m.

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  ONEman writes:

  Scrabbler-And if we can't work our own fields...does this mean we will one day shortly be standing in a long line looking to get a ration of non perishibles like beans..NOW that would be ironic...don't cha think?

  LMAO Bravo, "Applause" Scrabbler

• April 22, 2008

  2:15 p.m.

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  JSeifert writes:

  The point he was trying to make is with 20 million already in the coutry why bring more why not lets the ones here work on the farms and gain legal status. Like he said before being interupted whats to stop them from leaving and not go back. The bill does nothing on that point. It just gives them a free ride in. shoot if farmers want to hire illegals all they have to do is hang out in denver 60% of the population is illegal anyway. Since it is a santurary city and all. Thats why I moved to back to Colorado Springs so my kids could get a proper Education, Be safer and my taxs would not used to brake our laws.

• April 22, 2008

  2:16 p.m.

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  ONEman writes:

  dilligaf that did'nt help the cause as far as literacy goes. LOL

• April 22, 2008

  2:21 p.m.

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  KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

  Did some of you miss the word "temporary"? And Hispanics, Latinos, or however you prefer to charactorize have been here just as long if not longer that most of your ancestry.

• April 22, 2008

  2:25 p.m.

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  StandUp writes:

  So do the "legal" workers on this proposed bill do the work the estimated 20 million illegal immigrants WON'T do? (the 20 mil Who supposedly are doing the work Americans won't do)
  this bill makes no sense at all
  Curry was wrong, unpopular speech is still protected speech.

• April 22, 2008

  2:26 p.m.

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  scrabbler writes:

  JSeifert: So he was not offering solutions at all then, he was looking to make a point. Points are great things to make especially if he knew that he was not going to be allowed to make that point. And farmers should not hire illegal immigrants because they then in turn would be doing something ILLEGAL.

  I am happy that you moved back to Colorado Springs so your kids can get a proper education because obviously you did not.

  Most illegal immigrants still have family in Mexico when they cross into the United States. If they were able to know that the next year they would in turn be allowed to return to the United States legally, that would be a start. Offer them a way of integrating with society, say if they can work in the United States for 6 years with no felony convictions, take English courses, then offer them a permanent Visa.

  A big wall, the threat of deportation or even jail time is not going to stop these people from coming to the United States illegally.

  Why can't we collectively come together and find solutions????

• April 22, 2008

  2:29 p.m.

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  Golden writes:

  My analysis is complete. Every single person who posted on this board has been called stupid, dumb, or an idiot by at least one other person.

  Fascinating how politician and illegal immigrants bring out the best in us... Perhaps we can arrange a trade with Mexico... Say all our Colorado politicians for 5,000 greencards?

  Except Bruce...lets keep him around.

• April 22, 2008

  2:31 p.m.

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  KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

  I'd rather he go back to L.A.

• April 22, 2008

  2:31 p.m.

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  OpenYourEyes303 writes:

  Posted by ONEman on April 22, 2008 at 12:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
  This is the discussion I had with a lot of you and you said it's not about Mexicans, it's about legal and illegal. Now here is a chance for them to be legal. Your stance still has'nt changed. So just face it, it's about racism , is'nt it?

  That's what I'm talking about! Racism, YoU said it. What side are you on anyway? Looks like you've been contradicting yourself.

• April 22, 2008

  2:36 p.m.

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• April 22, 2008

  2:37 p.m.

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  scrabbler writes:

  Curry:
  Free speech is great and it is through this civil liberty that we are posting right now right now. However, as a civil servant he should be aware of his speech and not use it as propaganda. Would it also be appropriate for him to go on record using offensive language? NO, and his statement that they are all illiterate peasants is just rude and unsubstantiated. Most of the immigrants who came to this country when it was first being built may have been illiterate and maybe even peasants however that still did not devalue thier hope and idea to come to this country to flee regligous prosecution, or look for a better life for thier family.

• April 22, 2008

  2:37 p.m.

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  Scooper25 writes:

  Douglas Bruce: The gift that keeps on giving:)

• April 22, 2008

  2:43 p.m.

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  KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

  Douglas Bruce: The Human Stain

• April 22, 2008

  2:47 p.m.

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  AC writes:

  Hey, BOHICA, relax, you dips are the ones focusing on two words; I've been enlightening you about the entire context, which makes Bruce a liar. You frightened weenies are the ones prattling on about illegals. You're bending over willingly, but it ain't who ya think it is behind ya!!

• April 22, 2008

  2:48 p.m.

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  KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

  Uhmmmm yeah.....BOCHICA and the PC Police......it's your handle, do what you want with it....I guess.

• April 22, 2008

  2:53 p.m.

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  JSeifert writes:

  The problem is no one asked for them to come but now we have to deal with the problem. Making them legal does not solve the problem if 20 million more come across, unless you plan on making mexician states US states. The are illegal they have broken our laws. open borders like EU has and now are trying to change is not the answer. Personnaly I think its great if someone wants to become a US citizen but they do not, they want money plain and simple they are praying on our welfare , medical and education systems and you let them. I was born here but my mother was not she came here legally went throught the system and payed her dues and payed our taxs the whole time. Why should they be any different just because where they come from. Why should they be treated any different then any other people that have broken our laws. You say their families are in mexico so that tells me they do not want to be Americans. People that immagrate do not leave their families behind unless they plan to go back. SO ITS MONEY! Money they make and money Buisness saves by hiring them. If the farmers need workers make them pay a living wage not slave wages then maybe they would get some workers, You say they do not make enough money well stop importing food from other countries. But then you would cry about the cost. So mainly its about money made not people saved. Look at the money people make off illegals Smugglers, dealers, Buisness, Government its a rackit plain and simple if the illegals stopped flowing the money stops flowing and god forbid that. Its modern day Slavery and you all make money from it. Makes you feel great right.

• April 22, 2008

  2:56 p.m.

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  KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

  Posted by JSeifert on April 22, 2008 at 2:53 p.m.
  ...
  W.T.F.

• April 22, 2008

  3:02 p.m.

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  KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

  I think I'd vote Democrat too if someone viewed me as an illiterate peasant. Just a thought. Not brain surgery, Just COMMON SENSE.

• April 22, 2008

  3:04 p.m.

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  AC writes:

  Posted by Lowtaxequalssqualor on April 22, 2008 at 1:20 p.m.

  "AC,

  "How would you define slumlord? I know DB and he appears to be a businessman who accepts voluntary payment from customers who voluntarily live in his properties. Unlike the Government who forcibly takes payment. For example if you do not pay your property tax because you protest how the money is wasted they will use force to remove you from your home."

  Lowtax, you're not really this much a moron, are you? I mean really. Taxes are due and owing. Sorry you want to be a freeloader, but I'm glad I can force your contribution to what we all need and use. You don't like it? Move out. Go somewhere where you can freeload on someone else's dime.

  As for Dougie the Slumlord, really, if you know him like you say you know what he is. If you really know him, be a bud and give him a call and suggest he fix up his properties to code. He represents the lowest common demoninator in our "me first" world, and I'd sooner have a migrant worker sit with me at dinner than Doug Bruce. Any day.

  So let me ask you again. What is a slumlord?

• April 22, 2008

  3:04 p.m.

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  KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

  By the way don't you have to be legal to vote here in the states. Just another thought. Not Rocket science JUST COMMON SENSE.

• April 22, 2008

  3:07 p.m.

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  ONEman writes:

  Humanbeans either way I'll bet you still paid Mamason. LOL. LOSER!

  Sorry openyoureyes303, I thought you were being sarcastic about it. That's why I said that. But the last part still threw me for a loop and since you singled me out rather than say "WE" I figured you were bein a wiseguy.

• April 22, 2008

  3:07 p.m.

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  KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

  By the way didn't George W.T.F. have the Hispanic vote in Texas, where the population of migrants workers nearly TRIPLES that of Colorado? Not a thought just the FACTS!

• April 22, 2008

  3:12 p.m.

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  JSeifert writes:

  5,000 Legal slaves that when people are done with them they send back. NO reps, no legal standing, no problems. Curry and her party and republicans that vote for this are no better the the New Englanders that owned the slave ships that sold blacks to market in the south then the Caribian Islands. Temp Slaves not as nice of words then Temp workers but the same. Just brown not black. Maybe Curry needs a new name like Master Curry. Bring them Brownies in then ship them out. As long as that Money flows.

• April 22, 2008

  3:17 p.m.

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  KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

  slav·er·y Audio Help Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sley-vuh-ree, sleyv-ree] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
  –noun 1. the condition of a slave; bondage.
  2. the keeping of slaves as a practice or institution.
  3. a state of subjection like that of a slave: He was kept in slavery by drugs.
  4. severe toil; drudgery.

  mi·grant Audio Help /ˈmaɪgrənt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mahy-gruhnt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
  –adjective 1. migrating, esp. of people; migratory.
  –noun
  2. Also called migrant worker. a person who moves from place to place to get work, esp. a farm laborer who harvests crops seasonally.

  Posted only because someone can't distinguish the difference between the two.

• April 22, 2008

  3:19 p.m.

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  KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

  Posted by PajamaPulitzer on April 22, 2008 at 3:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
  KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout: Thank you for making my point. Democrats will let defend you in your failures to keep you down so you'll keep voting for them. Why do you think Democrats fight efforts to assimilate Mexicans through English language? It's because they want them to be illiterate peasants in perpetuity. When folks get smart and start making real money they start voting for Republicans. We can't have that, now can we KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout?

  Boy that's a stretch.....I'll bet you wear foil on your head to prevent Democrats from reading your mind huh?

• April 22, 2008

  3:22 p.m.

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  KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

  no pun intended.

• April 22, 2008

  3:23 p.m.

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  wowpeople writes:

  My Fellow American Friends (you who love to hate, (how do you live?))
  Ok, this is my third year in an American University, I am getting my MBA; I speak, write and read Spanish, Italian, English and Portuguese. I am from Mexico, my parents decided to send me to the United States instead of Great Brittan (am truly disappointed of such a hatred going on in this country, and regret the minute I decided to come and finish my master in this country, of course I have great Caucasians friends and love them, but a big percentage of American are racist aiming at the world and people that don’t speak their language or that look different from them). I am not surprised that last year while a month in Europe, people would talk so bad about Americans and ask what I thought about them.
  We do have middle class, lower class and upper class, it is impossible not to happen in any free economy (if you have any education), some people don’t know how to read or right, but a very small percentage and they come to America because the dollar is worth more, so they get more for what they do. The opportunity is there, they risk their lives, and our government overlooks them, just like yours over looks your farmers and homeless of your country.
  Instead of being complaining stop your government killing people in war, and instead spend those billions of dollar on your retirement, because the job of secretary you have does not make enough money for you to retire.
  When you talk about racism and our economy is not good because of someone else, is a reflection of your in competency to make a good living for yourself. It is been said that when you blame others for your lack of success is because you don’t want to recognized your failures.

  I am glad I have to more months in such a hatred society; I bet my job in Italy is much desirable then hearing these racist comments when reading a article.

• April 22, 2008

  3:24 p.m.

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  JSeifert writes:

  For over 150 years Southern Democrates fought for legalized slavery because who would work their fields. We have come full circle now with western Democrates wanting legalized slavery because who would work those fields. The only thing different is the slaves will be brown not black and they are now called Undocumanted not N....R. The truth Hurts but its true. If you want workers pay them Legal wages and let them be Citizens with all the rights and privilages. But like then Money talks whats right walks. Democrates above anyone else should know this, its their history.

• April 22, 2008

  3:27 p.m.

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  KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

  Posted by PajamaPulitzer on April 22, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
  KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout: So you do want ignorant and uneducated folks to stay that way. You should be ashamed of yourself.

  STILLLLL Stretchen!

• April 22, 2008

  3:29 p.m.

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  KnoWhatYoureTalkinAbout writes:

  Southern Democrats? That's an OXYMORON. By the way the Democratic party was the first and only party in the U.S. and those who were fighting to legalize slavery were Republican and didn't really know it at the time.

• April 22, 2008

  3:30 p.m.

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  ONEman writes:

  That's a new tactic now your gonna start acting like it's because your concerned about the Mexicans being exploited. Boy the wolves sure do change coats a lot now days but the stench is always there.

• April 22, 2008

  3:38 p.m.

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  JSeifert writes:

  Slavery is the same if you do not pay them or force them to work for dirt. If you make someone to work for low wages with threat if you leave for hirer wages I will deport you is still slavery. If you complain I will deport you if you make trouble I will deport you. Why is it right to pay a Mexican $5 a hour braking his back in a field but illegal to pay someone $7 a hour at McDonalds. Its Wrong its slavery under a different name

• April 22, 2008

  3:43 p.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  ONEman

  Never paid for it, but it sounds like you know all about paying for it. My wife is beautiful, petite, and speaks great English unlike the fat Mexican gorilla women your dating!

• April 22, 2008

  3:54 p.m.

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  ItsJustme writes:

  When chastising someone for his spelling or grammar, you should ensure yours is correct. You'll look foolish if you misspell something. It's "Take all these worthless libs with you while you're at it."

• April 22, 2008

  3:56 p.m.

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  LuckyMe writes:

  DoubleChuckyCheese,
  You're about tarded as jseifert. You actually had an insite as to how others in the world see you as an American and this is how you respond? STFU and stop embarrassing yourself.

• April 22, 2008

  4 p.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  Just build the damn wall, deport them all, and then talk about a guest worker program!

• April 22, 2008

  4:15 p.m.

  ONEman writes:

  (This comment was removed by the site staff.)

• April 22, 2008

  4:24 p.m.

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  NotYours writes:

  THIS FIASCO ISN'T ABOUT IMMIGRATION -- IT'S ABOUT YOUR FREEDOM

  A democratically-elected representative of the people was denied his Constitutional right to freedom of political speech during the legislative process by a partisan committee chair.

  This should scare the HELL out of *ALL* of you, regardless of party affiliation or your position on immigration.

  The Colorado House of Representatives has begun silencing "offensive speech", and the lot of you proceed to debate the issue by calling each other names like "tard", with most of your posts containing glaring spelling and grammatical errors while offering baseless opinions on the capabilities of foreign field workers.

  Where were you when they came and said Douglas Bruce must be silent? If you were too busy calling someone else a "dipweed", don't expect any support when they come to silence you.

• April 22, 2008

  4:33 p.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  ONEman

  Im sure your blowup doll has 3 holes just like every other woman!

• April 22, 2008

  4:34 p.m.

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  DisplacedColoradoan writes:

  Wow... some of the comments here make this native Coloradoan (born at St. Anthony's) who happens to be half Filipino, who won a Boettcher Scholar and proudly attended CSU, and who's finishing a PhD at MIT think I may never return to Colorado.

  It's really sad... Colorado feels like it's becoming such a backwater full of ignorant fools. I travel frequently to both Mississippi and Colorado, and quite frankly these days it seems like Colorado has the bigger problem with racism.

• April 22, 2008

  4:37 p.m.

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  ponygab writes:

  For everyone who is saying that doug should be ousted. Have you forgotten that america was founded on the principle of feedom of speech. What good is a congress is the congressmen can exspress how they feel. And for Platoro 79, if we send people to insane asylums for saying stupid things, you would be the first.

• April 22, 2008

  4:38 p.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  ONEman

  Just better make sure she's been a woman her whole life, I hear that operation goes pretty cheap over there.

  You know alot about the price of things. Must suck to have to pay it.

  You must have paid for a women but got a man instead.

• April 22, 2008

  4:39 p.m.

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  AC writes:

  NotYours: You still don't get it. Dougie wasn't denied his constitutional right; he violated the rules of the House. It doesn't scare me at all that he was shut down when he's off topic and been warned, particularly when by his own subsequent admission he had been planning the confrontation -- and got it.

  He has the right of free speech; that does not mean he has the right to talk at that particular place and time about whatever he wants.

• April 22, 2008

  4:43 p.m.

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  DenverDan writes:

  We are a nation of immigrants. Just because you use English, does not mean your Granddad did. SAY NO TO THE GOOD BOY CLUB.
  This is 2008.

• April 22, 2008

  4:46 p.m.

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  dergnmexico writes:

  Hello NotYours, he was not elected. I agree with AC, he wanted a confrontation and got it.

• April 22, 2008

  4:50 p.m.

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  SanctuaryCity writes:

  Bruce should't be oustered, the illegals need to be by the truck loads. I'll drive
  The 2012 dream ticket:
  Tom T & Lou B and Bruce Speaker of the house

• April 22, 2008

  4:51 p.m.

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  peterpi writes:

  I'm arriving to this party 32 hours late, and I'm repeating what others said, but ...
  Rep. Curry was right on. Douglas Bruce has a right to free speech, but the House of Representatives expects people to engage in civil debate. By cutting Douglas Bruce off at the knees, she prevented a verbal slugfest.
  Douglas Bruce has no use for decorum, has no respect for others' opinions, and has no use for politeness. Douglas Bruce is all about Douglas Bruce.
  Way early in this thread, someone gave a dictionary's definition of "peasant". The second definition was most unflattering. I'll guarantee you, that's the image Douglas Bruce had in mind, and that's why he got cut off at the knees. Douglas Bruce has finally found a group of politicians, Democratic and Republican, who aren't afraid to stand up to him.
  And finally, as I understand it, the bill being debated was about using state funds to expedite a federal program to bring in legal workers. What part of "legal" don't some of you understand?

• April 22, 2008

  5:16 p.m.

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  StandUp writes:

  It's really sad... Colorado feels like it's becoming such a backwater full of ignorant fools. I travel frequently to both Mississippi and Colorado, and quite frankly these days it seems like Colorado has the bigger problem with racism.

  Good, stay in the South. There are no more good paying jobs here. Perhaps you could pick cabbage or something

• April 22, 2008

  5:54 p.m.

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  malis writes:

  Douglas Bruce has decided he'd rather make noise than compromise his principles to make law. Anyone supporting his positions and hoping they become law (versus being a member of his cult of personality) should be eager for him to leave the legislature because--have I mentioned this?--he's intentionally made himself irrelevant.

  Mr. Bruce could strip naked, paint himself blue, and dance the Can-Can at high noon at the top of the Capitol steps, and would would have the same effect on the State of Colorado as anything he does inside the building from this minute until the day he leaves office. (Eeuuuu! My brain hurts! Make that picture go away!)

  So again, if you reside in District 15, please help regain your representation in the Colorado House by voting in the Republican Primary August 12th.

• April 22, 2008

  6:04 p.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  si se puede to deportation.
  si se puede to breaking up illegal families.
  si se puede to more deportations.

• April 22, 2008

  6:04 p.m.

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  ONEman writes:

  Wow Beans your lame I expected something snazzy comin from you not I'm rubber your glue. Man you really are a loser. Ask your wife if she knows how to do a menthol BJ. How does it feel to know that your wifes probably been with more sailors than a sbmarine?

• April 22, 2008

  6:08 p.m.

  HumanBeans writes:

  (This comment was removed by the site staff.)

• April 22, 2008

  6:17 p.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  Wow, you think every filipina is a hooker. Thats OK I think every Illegal alien Mexicam is an illiterate peasants aka stupid Mexican.

  You my friend want to see a racist looks like, look in the mirror. Please do it quick before it breaks from your monkey A_S_S reflection!

• April 22, 2008

  6:28 p.m.

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  ONEman writes:

  Oh look how you cry when it's dished back out to you. I'm just bustin your balls. Just teaching you to walk softly or carry a big stick. As for the Mexican comments, A). you must have me confused with someone who gives a sh** what you think and B) if the bigot shoe fits buddy, where it with pride. That's what I originally said about you. Legal or illegal you prejudice against Mexicans. Once again what a loser you are. Get over it, if anything it's gonna get worse for you not better. Buy a sombrero and join the party. We won't hold your redneck against you. It might even do you some good ans remove the stick from your ass.

• April 22, 2008

  6:40 p.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  ONEman
  Legal or illegal you prejudice against Filipinas. Once again what a loser you are. You are just as much a bigot as I.

  One more thing, catch the SAVE act coming to a theater near you.

  Asta la bye bye ILLEGALS.
  Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!

• April 22, 2008

  6:44 p.m.

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  ONEman writes:

  Posted by HumanBeans on April 22, 2008 at 6:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

  I think every Illegal alien Mexicam is an illiterate peasants aka stupid Mexican.

  Obviously your not that smart that's why you let your anger and hate get the better of you. You must really have some deep problems. That's the life of a complainer though and again a "Lew-Who-Zer." That's starting to be a constant theme with you Beans.

• April 22, 2008

  6:46 p.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  Mexicans are such nice people, check this one out an illegal alien church pastor. Jeeezzzzzzzz

  http://69.55.11.240/cgi-bin/readart.c...

• April 22, 2008

  6:47 p.m.

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  ONEman writes:

  No I'm not prejudice againt anyone. I was mearly saying only a hooker would marry a disease like you.

• April 22, 2008

  6:48 p.m.

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  redwhiteandBLUE writes:

  Did he say illiterate pheasants ?

  What IQ does it take to push a cart and sell ice cream bars ?
  Or like in Montbello they push a grocery cart selling those puffy Doritos's and hot sauce, and corn out of the back of their SUV's,
  lets not forget the tamale lady ringing a bike bell, and honking yelling tamales. In front of the ARC and Dollar Tree on 92nd Washington, there's people selling all this stuff., and this isn't Mexico? WTF!! And 5,00 more ? Good going Bruce!!!

• April 22, 2008

  6:59 p.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  ONEman

  We need more illegals, check this out 84 hospitals closing in Cali due to illegal scumbag aliens.

  http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/a...

• April 22, 2008

  7:02 p.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  Joe Arpaio for President!!!!!!!!!!!!

• April 22, 2008

  7:17 p.m.

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  jhdteacher writes:

  i find douglas bruce's comment spot on...i teach in south-central los angeles and work mainly (by a LARGE margin) with students whose parents are both???by definition???illiterate and peasants (and whom also refuse to learn to speak english year after year after year)

  how dare he?

• April 22, 2008

  7:35 p.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  Did he say illiterate pheasants ?

  I wish, open season no limit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

• April 22, 2008

  9:55 p.m.

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  redwhiteandBLUE writes:

  HumanBeans 6:04,
  lol!! That dos'nt even sweat them anymore! Watcha!!! LA MIGRA!!!!
  Remember that word ? Now, natha! They've gotten too comfortable,
  settled in a country that isn't theirs.!!!

• April 23, 2008

  4:52 a.m.

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  gwats writes:

  Folks, I hate to interrupt your Lynching of Mr. Bruce to remind you of something very important, very vital to this Nation.....Mr. Bruce exercised his Constitutional Right to DISSENT yesterday. Just because his point of view makes you want to scream racism! ...bigotry! or go jump out of a window, doesn't take away his Constitutional right to say it on the floor of the Colorado Statehouse. It was not very PC mind you, but he had a right to say it although he said it badly. Freedom of speech means I have to tolerate the guy standing next to me, yelling something that makes my blood boil because as soon as he shuts up, It's gonna be MY turn to boil HIS blood with my rebuttal!
  So shut up, sit down ,and give him the floor! He doesn't need any help from any of you to make a fool of himself. He can do that on his own very nicely, thank you. And, may P.C. go straight to hell! I'm sick of all this touchy-feely nonsense when the hard, cold facts will do the job.

• April 23, 2008

  5:28 a.m.

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  sac621 writes:

  5000 come here legal....then they sneak off and not return to their own country...that the point

• April 23, 2008

  7:48 a.m.

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  fiesty writes:

  "Immigrant laborers, especially illegals, are less likely to deal in drugs and gangs or commit violent crimes; those are largely citizens." my3pugs, April 22, 2008 at 1:07 p.m.

  This is one of the most blatantly incorrect statements I've seen on this board.

  1. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens (IAs).[1]
  2. The IAs in the US have a crime rate that's 2.5 times that of white non-IAs. [3]
  3. There have been nearly one million sex crimes alone committed by IAs in the US.[4]
  4. Violent crime and drug distribution and possession is prevalent among IAs. In some areas of the US, 12% of felonies, 25% of burglaries and 34% of thefts are committed by IAs.[5]
  5. Ignoring the "minor crime" (such as ID theft and property crimes), here is a summary on some of the other crimes by IAs in the US[6]:
  - There are currently over 400,000 unaccounted for IA criminals with outstanding deportation orders. At least one fourth of these are hard core criminals.
  - 80,000 to 100,000 IAs who have been convicted of serious crimes are walking the streets. Based on studies they will commit an average of 13 serious crimes per perpetrator.
  - At least 4.5 million pounds of cocaine with a street value of at least $72 billion is smuggled across the southern border every year. ..
  - 56% of IAs charged with a reentry offense had previously been convicted on at least 5 prior occasions.
  - IAs charged with unlawful reentry had the most extensive criminal histories. 90% had been previously arrested. Of those with a prior arrest, 50% had been arrested for violent or drug-related felonies.
  - IAs commit between 700,000 to 1,289,000 or more crimes per year.
  - IAs commit at least 2,158 murders each year – a number that represents three times greater participation than their proportion of the population.
  - IA sexual predators commit an estimated 130,909 sexual crimes each year.
  - There may be as many as 240,000 IA sex offenders in the US. Based on studies, they will commit an average of 8 sex crimes per perpetrator before being caught.
  - Nearly 63% of IA sex offenders had been deported on another offense prior to committing the sex crime.
  - Only 2% of the IA sex offenders in one study had no history of criminal behavior, beyond crossing the border illegally.
  - In Operation Predator, ICE arrested and deported 6,085 IA pedophiles. Some studies suggest each pedophile molests average of 148 children. If so, that could be as many as 900,580 victims.

  [1] http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPT...
  [2] http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldrid... /
  http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPT...
  [3] http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPT...
  [4] http://www.drdsk..com/articleshtml
  [5] http://www.house.gov/judiciary/morgan...
  [6] http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impact...

• April 23, 2008

  7:56 a.m.

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  jevdb writes:

  Whoa, who would have believed that public school indoctrination had been so successful. In addition to the 5,000 ignorant peasants Rep Bruce wants to prevent entering Colorado, it appears another 5,000 already live here. And they were indoctrinated in our tax supported schools. Their comments, above, are truly frightening in their total display of ignorance of our language, our government and our rights.

• April 23, 2008

  8:17 a.m.

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  Lowtaxequalsfreedom writes:

  Bruce is a master mind and this latest stunt is an attempt to focus attention on Tabor. Democratic house speaker Andrew Romanoff is attempting to ramrod legislation through that would GUT Tabor. If Romanoff has his way Coloradoans will never ever receive tax rebate checks again. Romanoff’s plan will take power from the people and redirect it to the politicians. Romanoff’s plan will direct money form you wallets into the hands of special interest, bureaucrats and politicians. The 3 places you never ever want your hard earned money to go. Say NO NO NO to any Tabor changes this November!

• April 23, 2008

  9:15 a.m.

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  bitemeboulder writes:

  Enough of this PC nonsense about Bruce's comments. The substance of what he said can be seen to be true by all. Just because it makes some folks uncomfortable is no reason to silence him.

• April 23, 2008

  10:11 a.m.

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  Lowtaxequalsfreedom writes:

  Froward,

  You make an excellent parrot of the special interest.

• April 23, 2008

  10:29 a.m.

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  HumanBeans writes:

  This Year's May Day Marches Brought To You By corrupt Mexican Representatives

  http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archiv...

• April 23, 2008

  10:44 a.m.

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  Lowtaxequalsfreedom writes:

  Froward,

  The items you mention transpire in every State including those without Tabor provisions. The items you mentioned are symptoms of Government. The only solution is privatization.

  The neat thing about Colorado is we pay less for the same problems every other State faces. The special interests are scared of Tabor. They know that if Tabor catches on in all 50 States that their gold mine will be cutoff! The special interests are scared so they continuously arrange meeting with politicians looking for chinch’s in the armor. They found Romanoff and a few others. They use gloom and doom scenarios to scare elected official and voters.

  Froward let me ask you a serious question. How do you keep cost down without some sort of TEL? Government has no competition, profit incentive or any other similar business/market feature. Government is a monopoly. Yes of course there are elected officials but if you have ever been politically involved you quickly realize that elected officials are no substitutes for market forces. So let me ask you again how do you keep the cost of government down without Tabor?

• April 23, 2008

  11:05 a.m.

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  sac621 writes:

  5000 come here legal....then they sneak off and not return to their own country...thats the point. If they assimilated and quit shoving their flag in our faces and if ALL our people where working. and there were extra jobs. And if they where here legal and respected our laws.Then and only then I would be ok with Immigrants legal or not!!!! ignorant libs.....

• April 23, 2008

  11:57 a.m.

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  Doomarious writes:

  There are legitimate means already in place for farmers to get help from immigrants as needed. Whatever happened to teen-agers bringing in the crops anyway? Since when does the state of Colorado need to re-write immigration law for their state? That is a federal matter, or, as noted in my first sentence, means have already been put in place for farmers to invite foreign workers if they can show the need cannot be filled by the local population after proper advertisement.

  I wonder which farmer(s) put the writer of this bill up to this.

• April 23, 2008

  12:32 p.m.

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  jay writes:

  “I looked up ‘illiterate’ in the dictionary and it means somebody who is lacking in formal education or is unable to read and write,” he said. “I don’t think these people who are planning to come over here and pick potatoes or peaches are likely to have much of a formal education. I looked up the word ‘peasant.’ The word ‘peasant’ means a person who works in agricultural fields. These people, most of them, don’t speak English. Most of them haven’t had any formal education, that’s why they’re coming over here. I don’t blame them for trying, but I don’t think we should pave the way for more aliens to come here.”===Colorado Republican Douglas "Bubba" Bruce

  http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gj...

  wow...and actually ends the rant with a strawman argument.

  absolutely classic

• April 23, 2008

  12:35 p.m.

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  OhBrother writes:

  I don't see why people don't just come out and say they hate mexicans regardless if they are legal are not. Bruce could have said exactly that and he would still have the same number of people that agree and respect him. You can claim whatever you want but get serious, you have no actual idea of who is legal and who is not on any construction site or road crew. People assume they do and pass judgement, but the truth is they look a certian way so that must be what it is.

  if you want them all shiped back, how? Did you forget if they are ILLEGAL then how can we track them? oh thats right, round up everyone that "looks" illegal and make them prove they are citizens. I'm sure that won't cost any addtional tax money

• April 23, 2008

  4:46 p.m.

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  JB writes:

  Why is everyone so upset that immigrants are coming to the U.S. to do low-level jobs? If the really are "illiterate peasants" then the jobs they do are very low-level.

  Since what I've read here in the comments section would seem like most folks don't consider themselves illiterate, how is it that these people are going to take your job? Do you have the kind of job that an "illiterate peasant" could do?

• April 24, 2008

  6:07 a.m.

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  alpinegarden2 writes:

  I live in orygone and wish we had someone in our government with the gut's to stand up for AMERICANS. I get to work with 13 illegals every day. I've been threatened so many times I've lost count. One jerk has been let go twice now because because his PAPERS didn't match him. He just went to Salem and got new papers[from a forger?] and returned to work!
  We've had an illegal Cut down tree's [this has happen's all along our coastal woodlands] less than a mile from my house to plant his "cash crop"[MARIJUANA]. Hey I'm afraid to go into the woods now for fear I might run into one of these fine folks!
  we had ,last summer, a major drug ring running from mexico all the way to portland. The police mananaged to capture 37 fine hard working immigrants out of this deal.
  A nun, A NUN,[Sister Helen Chaska] was raped and murdered in southern orygone a couple of years ago.
  I COULD GO ON AND ON HERE! WAKE UP AMERICA! WE ARE BEING INVADED

• April 24, 2008

  1 p.m.

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  jcoliver writes:

  Forget the illiterate peasants. Its the psychotic dope smoking liberals we need to get rid of. Actually, dropping a nuke on Colorado would be a great start. No wait, Colorado is a beautiful state. I would want to preserve its beautiful mountains and wildlife. How can we just get rid of the goofy people that live there?

• April 24, 2008

  1:07 p.m.

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  jcoliver writes:

  liberal definition of racist: anything that makes them uncomfortable, anything they do not understand or agree with, anything that rubs their indoctrination the wrong way.

  actual defintion of racism: discrimination on the basis of race.

  explanation: pot.

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