At pot rallies, things get hazy at 4:20

Boulder event draws 10,000 - some to party, some to be advocates

By Sara Burnett, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)

Published April 20, 2008 at 7:41 p.m.

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Photo by Brian Lehmann / Special To The Rocky

A young woman adorned as a marijuana plant celebrates at the annual 420 pro-pot rally at the Norlin Quadrangle at the University of Colorado in Boulder. Similar events were held at Civic Center in Denver and elsewhere across the country.

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April 20, 2008

8:30 p.m.

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Highcountry writes:

Legalize it already.
April 20, 2008

8:47 p.m.

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Randonee writes:

Children are dying of malnutrition around the world each day; more than 2 billion people are without basic sanitation; 1 in 5 children are not in school. These are some worthy targets of activism, if that's what one is really interested in.

This CU rally has nothing to do with activism -- it's just rich kids whining because their drug use isn't socially acceptable. I'm sure their parents are proud...
April 20, 2008

10:40 p.m.

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incorrect1 writes:

Obviously, Gene has been partaking.
April 20, 2008

11:24 p.m.

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Highcountry writes:

I'm too stoned to read the words but the symmetric structure of his post is like totally blowing my mind, dude.
April 21, 2008

8:11 a.m.

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AngelontheSidelines writes:

Ah, the ole Starving children canard, well Rando USA has the largest prison population on earth. Many of these prisoners are there because man declared God's flower is evil, therefore a crime to possess, use or sell.

The money used to incarcerate these political prisoners could go to these starving kids you harp about. These prisoners could be free and help make the world a better place. But the War on Drugs is a war on our rights. All wars are not about security nor freedom, rather they are to gain power and money.
April 21, 2008

8:46 a.m.

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KP13 writes:

What is the amount the Gov. spends on fighting this drug? Could they be putting this money soemwhere else....like helping to feed the kid's or going after the meth heads and crack dealers.....Maybe if they got smart and taxed it like cigarettes and booze, tehy could make even more money

But then all the cheetos, and all the ding dong companies would have way too much money!

Smoking weed should be leagl.! if you can go out and get as drunk as you want, then you should be able to go out and get as high as kite. last time I checked we have far more problems with people getting out of hand for being way too drunk, then way too stoned!

just like it is time to sell booze on sunday, its time to legalize pot!
April 21, 2008

8:52 a.m.

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Randonee writes:

I see. These CU brats really ARE interested in larger issues. Forgive the cynicism in my previous post. Drug dealers are a huge untapped resource, and you're right to want to get them out of jail so they can get busy making the world a better place, which is really what those misunderstood folk wanted to do all along. Or at least they can now make a few bucks legally helping those who want to escape reality.

Fresh from this success, CU students can move on to other activism:
- Immigrant awareness (aka, "Get Your BMW Washed by a Migrant Worker" Day)
- Environmental Issues (Pick a day each year to put 85 octane in your Escalade)
- Pet Empowerment

Personally, I can't wait to see the profound impact the students of CU will have on our world.
April 21, 2008

9:10 a.m.

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jackwoehr writes:

"The number 420 is slang for marijuana." -Sara Burnett

No it's not. It's a catch phrase for _partaking_ of mj. Just like Harry S Truman back during alcohol prohibition was one of millions who would "strike a blow for liberty" (as folks said in those days) at noon by raising a glass with friends.
April 21, 2008

9:29 a.m.

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airbornebigfoot writes:

man made beer, and alcohol.
God made marijuana.

The question is:
Who Do You Trust?
April 21, 2008

9:43 a.m.

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tiedyeyoursin writes:

The civic center rally was sponsered by Obama. Just letting you all know. I was there and they annouced it by saying "....and why not vote for a former pothead, Barrak Obama!" I was there, and there was a few political speakers on Obama's bahalf. Talking about the war in Iraq and how it was so bad and bloody, and impeach Bush and whatnot.
April 21, 2008

10:34 a.m.

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yelnoc86 writes:

Haha, oh Rando! The fact that you condemn college students having a blast without rioting and getting into drunken fights is amplified by your wide-sweeping generalizations about CU students, which in of themselves, show how unqualified you are to pass judgments on those who partake in the 4/20 festivities. I can tell you I am emancipated and am paying my own way through CU-Boulder so I don't drive an escalade, but a beat up old Maxima who's trunk I have to bungee cord down. Your message of ignorance and disdain contrasts sharply with the peaceful, yet sometimes dumb, messages proposed by 4/20 participants and shows why marijuana should be legal. Pot smokers, in general, are better overall people because they preach acceptance over intolerance, something clearly foreign to your limited analysis. I am sorry your life is so unfulfilling that you have to rain on everyone else's parade.
April 21, 2008

10:36 a.m.

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weemoose writes:

I would cheer my children had they been there! I love how we support the tobacco lobby, but since we can't guarantee a profit on the sale of marijuana we continue to spend tons of money in this country criminalizing it and the people who partake it. Eejits!
April 21, 2008

10:49 a.m.

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Randonee writes:

Sorry to rain on your parade. I remember when college students got fired up about real issues. Yes, perhaps they rioted, but often for causes worth rioting about. A bunch of kids smoking weed in the park is a far cry from the days when they were getting arrested for demonstrating, say, for civil rights.

If students today channeled all of the energy they're wasting on "causes" such as this, they could actually be known once again as an agent of change. There is so much to work on. Why not pick something that involves effort, and may actually help someone?

All well and good, though. Sit in a sunny park and smoke if you like. But don't call it activism. That's a dumbing down of an otherwise useful concept. Trying to pawn your personal desire for pleasure into an issue of public welfare is a poor joke. And one that is worthy of disdain...
April 21, 2008

11:22 a.m.

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Chadley25 writes:

Well, Randonee, I agree with parts of what you say, but the one thing that really stands out for me about past generations' riotous activism was the protest of the Vietnam War. College students vociferously protested it, the nation was vastly against the war as a whole, there were demonstrations big and small, but the war went on for many years, unaffected by it all. I'm not sure the protests and riots did any good at all. Tens of thousands of Americans still came home in body bags, the price of fighting a needless war. So maybe people learned (even subconsciously) that protesting such "real issues" has little effect. People protest the Iraq war all over the world, but it sure hasn't slowed it down or pulled us out of there, and our soldiers aren't going to be free from Iraq anytime soon.

Let them protest what they want and call it activism if they want. If there were 10,000 people there in the park getting arrested for demanding civil rights for gay people, you'd have religious zealots lambasting that, too. Can't please everyone all the time, so if they want to have a "smoke-in" to draw attention to the legalization of marijuana, so be it. It was a beautiful, sunny day, and I bet they all had a reeeeeally good time. :)

I don't personally smoke pot myself, but the number of people in the U.S. who do is staggering. If we legalized it, controlled it, and taxed it the way alcohol and cigarettes are taxed, we could probably pay off King George's massive deficit in no time!
April 21, 2008

11:42 a.m.

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Randonee writes:

I suspect that these students are generally intelligent. Some may have significant resources. Many have the time and energy to pour into a worthy cause. The trick is to get them to look beyond themselves.

The 420 event was effort-free and entirely self-serving, which is in keeping with our current cultural cues. Students have been known in the past, however, to sweep aside those cues and get to the heart of important matters. Activism was known then as swimming against the current, not simply floating down with it.

If we applaud these students smoking in park as "activists", what are we doing? I think we are lowering the bar. Just as in Kindergarten "graduations" and standing ovations at every performance of any kind, regardless of quality. Why not ask more of these students? They are certainly capable, and there is plenty of work to do on many fronts.

Yelnoc: By crying "intolerance" are you trying to avoid an intelligent discussion? Is it intolerant to ask these students to rise to their full potential? While their friends are getting stoned in the park, some of these kids might be starting their own social enterprises to address issues that mean life or death to others. If that's intolerance, perhaps the word has lost its original meaning.

Chadley: We'll never know for sure, but I suspect student protests against the Vietnam War were not entirely without effect. Ditto for the Iraq War. Sometimes you never know the outcome of your actions, but that doesn't make it any less urgent to act. But the beautiful thing about those protests is that they transcend the self. Students were putting others' needs before their own.
April 21, 2008

12:30 p.m.

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JB writes:

It's morons like this who will prevent pot from every being legal. Their idiocy is what keeps the stigma on pot. People see this and see a bunch of whiney college kids getting stoned and acting like dummys. If they were really interested in getting rid of the stigma behind pot and educating people on its benificial uses, they would do so professionally.

This rally is like calling a frat party advocacy for responsible driking. So dumb.
April 21, 2008

12:35 p.m.

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Spencer writes:

It's one hour of one day. Lighten up
April 21, 2008

12:35 p.m.

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chuckyg writes:

Randonee:
It's better to have tried and failed then to fail to try.
This is peaceful assembly, that is all, and that is their right as Americans.
These students, friends, blue caller workers, attorneys, doctors, congressmen, even police are smoking pot on a regular basis.
Denver has legalized it. Ft. Collins has a public place to buy it.
It's time to recognize how socially expectable marijuana is.

Legalize

Legalize

Legalize
April 21, 2008

1:07 p.m.

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Radar writes:

Gene you missed don't own land in Boulder, your neighbor might claim it as his own
April 21, 2008

1:13 p.m.

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FatTony writes:

@Randonee

The point of the rally is to bring awareness to decriminalize a safe drug, so to better utilize our resources for more important things, ie education, road improvements, jobs, enforcement of some "real" crimes, etc.

Also, just because you're at one rally doesn't mean that's the only issue that you care about...
April 21, 2008

2:07 p.m.

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Chadley25 writes:

"Chadley: We'll never know for sure, but I suspect student protests against the Vietnam War were not entirely without effect. Ditto for the Iraq War. Sometimes you never know the outcome of your actions, but that doesn't make it any less urgent to act. But the beautiful thing about those protests is that they transcend the self. Students were putting others' needs before their own."
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Very true, and for those who are moved to protest from this place, a true desire to put others' needs before their own, I can only offer admiration and respect. Of course, in any protest, half the knuckleheads are just along for the ride because of the herd mentality and because it's probably more fun than their World History class. Ha ha.
April 21, 2008

2:14 p.m.

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Seabreezes writes:

Prior to WWII, most drugs that are illegal now were not only legal, but served over the counter. Heroin was a brand name pain reliever, the U.S. government used hemp (the plant from which m.j. starts) as rope, and m.j. itself was used as an antianxiety drug. What happened? Politics. Once the gov't realized there was more money in outlawing than there was in taxation, well, that's all it took. And if we did legalize and tax, that'd just be more money for us to waste in Iraq/Afghanistan.
April 21, 2008

2:20 p.m.

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Randonee writes:

A lot of comments here seem to view the concept of legalization as freeing up lots of funds for better things. I think this is a red herring. Contrary to conventional wisdom, our prisons are not bursting at the seams with peace-loving marijuana smokers. Face it: large amounts of US citizens are not being packed off to prison for possessing small amounts of marijuana. Really, the fact that no one was arrested at "420" confirms it as a non-event.

According to the most recent statistics available, only 1.6% of all state inmates are held for offenses involving only marijuana. A report from Columbia University concludes:

“It appears that few inmates could be in prison or jail solely for possession of small amounts of marijuana. Indeed, the number is likely so small that it would have little or no impact on overcrowding or the vast gap between the need for treatment and training and available slots.”

http://www.casacolumbia.org/ViewProdu...{1DFFCC97-83B1-4742-9083-551AF2E1F7D4}

So which offenders are going to prison?
- Drug traffickers
- Those with charges of drug use combined with other more serious charges

So where's the great social benefit of legalization? There certainly are many questions:
- Do we really need to add another legal method to impair our judgement?
- Will legalization of marijuana help reduce substance abuse among youth?
- Will it increase or decrease gang violence?
- Will it increase or decrease economic productivity?
- What will be long-term impact on our health care system?

These are not questions drug advocacy groups want you to ask. If one really wants to be an activist on this topic, though, there's work to be done before blindly jumping off the cliff of legalization. The point is, drug use has been demonstrated to harm the community; that's why these substances are controlled in most western countries. The arguments for legalization need to be much more convincing before anything productive happens. Of course, making those arguments will involve more than sitting in the park on a sunny day.
April 21, 2008

2:24 p.m.

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JB writes:

For all of you arguing for the legalization of MJ, I agree with you, but I have a suggestion on how to effectivly affect change:

STOP GOING TO BIG HIPPY RALLY'S dressed as pot leaves, with giant bongs, beating on bongo drums and toking to high-heaven! These rally's are the very type of reason there is still a bad public perception.

If you want to change something, put on a suit, lobby your legislatures, get doctors and other experts to testify before congress, hire an attorney to argue the case in the judicial branch, etc... BE PROFESSIONAL!!!! Acting like a bunch of pot head hippies is not going to win you credibility.
April 21, 2008

2:47 p.m.

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tlkb111 writes:

In response to previous comments, calling college students brats is hardly persuasive nor does it make for a credible argument. Additionally, "hippie" is certainly not a negative term, rather it is a name for someone who respects life and our planet.

We live in the United States of America, where people have all sorts of different beliefs and ways of expressing them. The right to protest is something that makes America strong. Don't tell protesters to protest for something else-- they have the right to protest for whatever they believe in. Additionally, protests are held and activism can be witnessed across college campuses throughout the U.S. supporting many many issues. This is just one. Many of the students that participate in 420 protests are also activists for "more serious" issues.

Just because you don't agree with a cause does not make it illegitimate. The right to protest should continue to be protected in the US for any cause. That is what creates democracy.
April 21, 2008

3:11 p.m.

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JB writes:

TLKB-
You miss the point. It's not that people disagree with leagalization. In fact, I fully support it given the proper restrictions, etc... The issue isn't that they choose to protest, which they have every right to do. The issue is that they are doing more harm than good to an otherwise worthy issue to discuss.

Let's face it, most of the people who attend this and similar rallys do so for one reason...to party! It's a joke to call it activism, at least for the most part. As I said before, would you consider a frat party a "rally to support lowering the drinking age to 18?"

Strolling around in tie dye and smoking pot is NOT an effective way to get a law changed. As much as I loathe him, look what Mason Travert (sp?) was able to get accomplished in Denver by working within the system, looking professional and offering real, documented evidence. Playing bongos and hitting the bong is not quite as effective.

Sure, I'm generalizing, but back in the day I went to a few of these "rallys" and that what they were.
April 21, 2008

3:50 p.m.

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patmass writes:

As a CU student and Norlin 4/20 celebration participant, I agree that it is ridiculous to call 4/20 a protest. There were people there who went for the specific reason of protest/activism, but I guarantee that the majority went to have fun. What's wrong with that? 4/20 is a celebration, and if people want to frame the event into a protest, more power to them, but that is not the intent of the celebration. Obviously, I do not speak for the entire CU population, but I feel that I know what I am talking about at least a little bit. So for all the people who say that CU students should protest more "major issues", lighten up and light it up. Just because we choose to celebrate MJ, does not at all mean that CU students do not care about "major issues".
April 21, 2008

5:51 p.m.

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doety writes:

I always thought the protest movement helped end the Vietnam war. But, I don't know how far we've come. I read some recent poll that McCain is about even with whatever Dem candidate gets put up. So, once again, half the country wants to vote for war. I've never seen anyone who was stoned pick a fight, but I've seen plenty of brawls between drunk idiots. I want peace. Light up.
April 21, 2008

6:43 p.m.

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nateacus writes:

Randonee
I'm surprised by your bitterness and insults. Ok 420, for most, wasn't meant to be a protest. But look at it this way, what happened? people got high and enjoyed the company and the atmosphere, and that's it. Did it get violent? was property damaged? were people hurt?... no. Pot isn't harmful and it brings people together, the governments resources could be better used instead of enforcing a pot ban based on lies and propaganda.

Oh and by the way your snide remark about "fill your escalade..." is completely unjustified because the last time i checked boulder is one of the greenest places to live and one of the most active advocates of greener living, i mean where else do you see recycling bins more often than trash cans? but thats a different topic.
April 22, 2008

12:38 a.m.

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Illegallydead writes:

OK, so the RMN website somehow refreshed on me, destroying my couple paragraphs of things I just wrote. Very annoying, but heres a summary as I do not feel like re-doing the whole thing.

People tend not to go through the system to effect change anymore, especially on the topic of drugs, due to the fact that our government has a crappy record of repealing bans. Like prohibition (which was arguably as effective at stopping alcohol consumption as today's prohibition on pot) the drug war is quite obviously not a war we can win. And there is no reason to try. Why ban a substance that at the least makes one crave Twinkies, and at the most, has one sitting on a couch for a while (though likely much less than the average fat-ass out there, so don't jump o that argument)
The only reason behind pretty much every drug ban in the U.S. can be linked to one thing, and one thing only: the fact that the lower class starts using the drug. In pretty much every case, the aristocracy was already enjoying the drug for some time until the poor start using it, which those in power tend to disapprove of. Examples:
Alcohol: just fine until Irish and other working class men start heavily partaking.
Cocaine: Vastly popular amongst the suburban middle to upper class until it found its way on to the inner city streets.
Ecstasy: heavily used effectively in a therapeutic way. Then it got into parties and raves. Young people having a good time, perhaps thinking freely?! NO!
Marijuana: Widely used for multiple purposes, until a wave of Mexican immigrants around the 30's. They had one thing in common: they tended to smoke weed, and the upper, middle, and even lower class whites wanted them out. What better way to deport Jose then to make his grass illegal?
Look this up. Few drugs are criminalized for legitimate reasons.

On the topic of the rally: I was there and it was not that protest-y. People just getting high, having a good time, and being in no way destructive. What's wrong with that? I am glad that the law enforcement stepped back on this one, and illustrated the power of large amounts of people. 25 vs. 10,000? I like those numbers. People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people. Whatever happened to the voice of the masses? Ah yes, I forgot. The masses don't make the laws. That is not in the interest of the elite and there will to power...
April 22, 2008

1:12 a.m.

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freethinker07 writes:

Who decides which laws the cops will enforce? I thought that police should enforce all the laws, not just the ones they like enforcing. I happen to be in favor of legalizing marijuana. I just want to know who decides that busting kids for under age drinking is a proper activity for campus police, but busting kids for marijuana is not a proper activity.

I would also like to have a list of laws have been suspended on campus, so that I know which laws I can break while I'm there.
April 22, 2008

1:23 a.m.

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shady8x writes:

This was a great event, and the 'drug' should be legalized...

as for
@Randonee
Marijuana seeds are the most nutritious food on the planet and safer then any other food on the planet(according to the DEA), also you can't get high of the seeds... and it is easer to grow then any other plant on the planet, that is why it is referred to as a weed(grows on its own)...

If you want to feed the children then grow weed and tax it, use the tax money for the school system... well actually the money not spent on enforcing archaic anti-drug laws which cause starvation and many many other things will be enough to cover the school system... (700,000 people are sent to prison for weed per year, the tax payer hands over $40,000 per year for each...and why? to keep kids starving...and to protect big oil and lumber and the parmacutical companies from a renewable resource the can replace all of the mentioned industries. It had 25,000 uses when it was banned, and has about 50,000 with current industrial technologies... not to mention the cures it can provide, like the cure to cancer...)

Don't believe me, look it up... the information is available for any free thinking individual...

Legalize HEMP for the children and for yourself!!!!

That enough activism for you?

If you don't think that this is worthy cause now that you know its many uses then you don't actually care about activism or the children you just hate that a drug thats less deadly THAN ASPIRIN(according to the DEA) may soon be allowed to save millions of lives...
April 22, 2008

3:12 a.m.

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shady8x writes:

@Randonee on April 21, 2008 at 2:20 p.m.
“non-event.”

Colorado is one of only twelve states that have decriminalized marijuana, more that 12 states have mandatory prison sentences...
Also how and on what grounds do you propose arresting 10,000 people during a peaceful assembly?

“1.6% of all state inmates”

A U.S. Justice Department report released on November 30, 2006 showed that a record 7 million people -- or one in every 32 American adults -- were behind bars, on probation or on parole at the end of last year.

Even if what you list is true, than let the 112,000 Americans go and have their records expunged...

Also many are convicted on conspiracy charges, because if they wanted to, they could have grown hundreds of thousands of plants. This has been applied to LAMP SALESMAN that have grown a grand total of ZERO plants and were not found to have ever used the drug themselves nor where they caught selling anything more dangerous then lamps... This classified all of them as drug traffickers...

DEA likes to stack potential crimes on top of actual(if there are actual) ones... which is why its not just marijuana...

“- Do we really need to add another legal method to impair our judgement? “
500,000 die from alcohol alone, every year, isn’t it time to have an alternative that kills ZERO by itself?

“- Will legalization of marijuana help reduce substance abuse among youth? “

Yes. Recent studies suggest that marijuana may actually be beneficial in that it substitutes for alcohol and other, more dangerous drugs. Research by Karyn Model found that states with marijuana decriminalization had lower overall drug abuse rates than others. In Holland, authorities believe that cannabis has contributed to an overall decline in opiate abuse(also their heroin problem hasn't increased in 30 years while ours has skyrocketed...). Recent U.S. government statistics show that the highest rates of cocaine abuse in the West were in Nevada and Arizona, the states with the toughest marijuana laws.

“- Will it increase or decrease gang violence? “
Since when has marijuana EVER been linked to violence??? Now you are just making up problems...

And YES, it will decrease if those gangs make money from selling weed, than they will lose financial resources and be weakened overall...

If they don’t sell the drugs then it has nothing to do with the gangs...

"- Will it increase or decrease economic productivity? "

When it was banned, the plant was used for 25,000 industrial products. Including clean fuel for cars(which is the real reason hemp is illegal), biodegradable plastic that is 10 times stronger then steel(search for ford's hemp car on youtube), Levi jeans(well lots of clothing that is superior to today’s clothing), food(Most nutritious food on the planet), paper superior to today’s paper(Unlike paper made today, paper made with hemp lasts for hundreds of years ex: Declaration of Independence has not been destroyed by time...)
April 22, 2008

3:24 a.m.

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shady8x writes:

“- What will be long-term impact on our health care system?”

Medical benefits have been found for
General pain relief, Cancer, Alzheimer's disease, Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, Diabetes mellitus, Dystonia, Fibromyalgia, Gastrointestinal disorders, Gliomas, Hepatitis C, Human Immunodeficiency Virus(HIV), Hypertension, Incontinence, Multiple sclerosis, Osteoporosis, Pruritis, Rheumatoid arthritis, Sleep apnea, Tourette's syndrome, all the while US medical research centers have mostly been denied access to this miracle drug even for research purposes...

There are a great many medical associations in USA which support medical marijuana, to list them all would take several posts of similar or greater size to this one.

“These are not questions drug advocacy groups want you to ask.”

Yes, they are, people like you just ignore the answer and go on to say a bunch of stuff which is little more than propaganda and is not at all supported, even by DEA’s own research...

“If one really wants to be an activist on this topic, though, there's work to be done before blindly jumping off the cliff of legalization. “

sarcasm/
You are right, lets keep killing people with profitable oops, I meant to say 'reasonable' alternatives... It worked for so long why wake up from the nightmare now??? /end sarcasm

“The point is, drug use has been demonstrated to harm the community; that's why these substances are controlled in most western countries.”

What do you classify as a harmful drug? According to the DEA aspirin has killed more people and is more toxic than marijuana... do most western nations prohibit aspirin?
http://www.ccguide.org.uk/young88.php

“The arguments for legalization need to be much more convincing before anything productive happens. Of course, making those arguments will involve more than sitting in the park on a sunny day.”

It was made illegal because people were mislead to believe that one puff will get you to kill your family and yourself... Well that and racist propaganda against Mexicans...

There are TENS THOUSANDS of excellent reasons for legalizing marijuana. Unfortunately people like you only listen to complete and total propaganda. Those who support cannabis have not resorted to such utterly disgraceful tactics unlike EVERY SINGLE ANTI-DRUG CAMPAIGN...

If you are for doing more than sitting on your butt in the park than sit your butt in front of a computer and do the research before making a stand against THE MOST USEFUL RENEWABLE RESOURCE KNOWN TO MAN.

Legalize MARIJUANA!!! When armed with the facts its the only humane and sane thing to do.
April 24, 2008

7:22 p.m.

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philw writes:

The 420 gathering is an innocent human expression of humble, peaceful anarchy. It happens, and then it's over. It's not a big deal.

Here are some PHOTO PAGES of the CU Boulder 420 2008:
http://www.ThirdTablet.com/2008/CU-420/

10,000 peaceably assemble at CU Boulder's Leader-less Annual "420" Marijuana Celebration. Zero Leaders. Zero Tickets. Zero Arrests.

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Boulder event draws 10,000 - some to party, some to be advocates

By Sara Burnett, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)

Published April 20, 2008 at 7:41 p.m.

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