Dad arrested after dispute over which gang right for baby

Mom tells police she, ex-boyfriend could not agree

By Bill Scanlon, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)

Published April 10, 2008 at 12:05 a.m.

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April 10, 2008

6:03 a.m.

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Retread writes:

These kids these days, the kid will probably be a computer Geek...Whats a parent to do???
April 10, 2008

6:48 a.m.

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just_readin writes:

my gang, your gang. Boy that is a major decision. Guess that is the second question after what dope are we going to push today.
April 10, 2008

6:51 a.m.

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El_Mariachi writes:

How about PINK or BABY BLUE?
April 10, 2008

6:51 a.m.

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Shaupeen writes:

Classic.
April 10, 2008

6:58 a.m.

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vudumom writes:

How about taking the child away from both the parents. How can either of them be fit parents if they are in gangs.Lets face it gangs are not selling cookies and having tea parties. I guess we are supposed to sit back and watch the child be raised by two morons that will be putting the child in danger.
How does Human Services think this is an safe enviroment to raise a child?
April 10, 2008

7:02 a.m.

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hdfresh writes:

Reminds me of Westside Story. We all have to make hard decisions in life for you kid as in where they go to school, what religion is appropriate, what side they claim..things like that.
April 10, 2008

7:33 a.m.

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pegasus99_aka_DR writes:

How about finding a "good" home for the kid, then taking mom and dad and putting them on a plane headed west, giving them parachutes, and pushing them out about half way between Alaska and Hawaii? That way, maybe the child joins NO GANG(which is an option you stupid people) and the parents don't get to procreate further and junk up the world any more with their ilk.
April 10, 2008

7:35 a.m.

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Scott writes:

And of course the Adams county social service losers won't pull the baby out of this scumbag environment. Psycho-Babblist, the second most worthless things on the face of the Earth.

While AdCo social (dis)services is at it, haul the two welfare spawn generators down to a veterinarian and get BOTH of them fixed.

Scott
April 10, 2008

7:41 a.m.

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Alive writes:

Hey, let's all pretend this lifestyle is not real. Isn't that the way it is for ANY group but WASPS?

The double standards that currently exist creates rifts that cause strife.
April 10, 2008

7:43 a.m.

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April 10, 2008

7:50 a.m.

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GWBushwacked writes:

And it use to be I'm catholic, you are protestant...just what church to take the children....at least they had the Episcopal church. Maybe the parents can find a gang that is a happy medium between the two :-)
April 10, 2008

7:53 a.m.

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gr8fuldude writes:

Keep the kid, and put these two to sleep. Good to see that they have their priorities straight. Si Se Puede!
April 10, 2008

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April 10, 2008

8:08 a.m.

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DeimosJB writes:

In the information age and the news-saturation that accompanies it, there are few pieces of news that still generate shock through the incomprehensible stupidity of the parties involved. This is one of them. Everyone involved deserves a gold star, except the child, who deserves a safe upbringing and hope for the future.
April 10, 2008

8:23 a.m.

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EZBakeOven writes:

I vote for the Serranos gang. Bad a$$ reputation, good networking possibilities in prison, etc.
April 10, 2008

8:34 a.m.

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Heidi writes:

Hey, none of you commented on the fact that the mother was honest when she told the cops what the argument was about. Doesn't that say something about the mother?
April 10, 2008

8:35 a.m.

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AWM writes:

With parents like that.. this baby dosen't have a chance. No wonder Commerce City has such a tarnished image!
April 10, 2008

8:37 a.m.

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Scott writes:

Heidi,

Maybe. She is either honest or REALLY dumb. I'll bank on the dumb since she is in a gang.

Scott
April 10, 2008

8:41 a.m.

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Heidi writes:

Scott,
I liked your veterinarian comment!
April 10, 2008

8:44 a.m.

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American100 writes:

Hmmmm More of that WONDERFUL culture.
April 10, 2008

8:46 a.m.

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Steph writes:

How much do you all want to bet that this isn't the last baby this couple is going to have?
April 10, 2008

8:46 a.m.

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Squatch writes:

They need to wipe these 2 out and give that kid to a decent family. These 2 jokers are exactly the kind of people that need to be euthenized.
April 10, 2008

8:48 a.m.

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American100 writes:

I like the vet comment too.

I grew up on a ranch and had to help castrate the cattle (we'd throw the oysters to the barn cats. They'd fight over them.)

I'll offer my assistance for free.
April 10, 2008

9:01 a.m.

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kathyM writes:

Wow. Maybe in a few years the kid will be the proud recipient of a Darwin Award.
April 10, 2008

9:11 a.m.

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FallyBerry writes:

Modern day Romeo and Juliet. Maybe they'll make a movie.
April 10, 2008

9:14 a.m.

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Jasin writes:

Hasn't anyone considered the baby might want to enter its own gang? Talk about awkward family reunions.
April 10, 2008

9:14 a.m.

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medina88 writes:

Why do some of you diss the kid? It's not his fault. Hopfully this child learns right from wrong and takes his own path in life.

American100...your not perfect and neither is your culture.
April 10, 2008

9:20 a.m.

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nativegirl writes:

Well...what parents haven't had THAT argument???

/S
April 10, 2008

9:21 a.m.

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American100 writes:

Medina88 -I don't belong to gangs, my kids don't belong to gangs. I work, I DON'T BURDEN American society, even though I'm hispanic and am an immigrant.

I pay my own bills, teach my kids right from wrong & thank GOD no problems so far with 2 teens.

I speak perfect, unaccented english even though starting kindergarten I didn't speak a word of english.

My culture beats the hell out of what I see in the Mexican culture that, even generations later choses to live in the gang lifestyle, promoting it to their babies. SICKENING.

Glad I can say I'm NOT Mexican.
April 10, 2008

9:21 a.m.

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El_Braino writes:

um -- okay where to start. Are these parents being stupid? YES. But look at their age! The dad's 19, and I'm guessing the mother is in her teens too. These kids having kids is a bigger issue than what is related in this story. I'm also guessing that the dad's not a first generation born here in this country and althought there's a few comments about mexicans in here (mostly by hispanics), i'm glad it's been kept to a minimum. Commerce City isn't the best place to live, but violence is everywhere. What makes Commerce City gangs any different than the "fight clubs" in Boulder? If this was two Boulder teens arguing over what fight club their hemp-diaper-wearing, tie-dye t-shirt styling baby belonged to, would it be in the paper? Don't forget, the news/media is the biggest demoralizer out there...
April 10, 2008

9:27 a.m.

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Heidi writes:

El_Braino,
If this happened in Boulder, it would most certainly be in the paper. And you would see 10 times the comments here so far.
btw, in the hispanic culture, I thought it was acceptable, if not encouraged, for kids to have kids.
April 10, 2008

9:28 a.m.

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American100 writes:

I will temper my last statement with this: I know plenty of good Mexican people, but see a serious lack of self governing regarding the behavior which they extend to the community and USA.
April 10, 2008

9:29 a.m.

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Heidi writes:

I should correct myself, the Mexican culture, not hispanic culture.
April 10, 2008

9:31 a.m.

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El_Braino writes:

Heidi,

stop the insults. Hispanics, white, black, whatever -- we all want the best for our kids. Are there a few bad apples in each group? Most definitely. But know that the real hispanics out there do want the best, not only for their kids, but for their grandkids and future generations. These idiots that give the hispanic population a bad name are a few of the bad ones. And most of the time, these idiots are only hispanic by last name, not by being involved in the hispanic culture.
April 10, 2008

9:39 a.m.

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Heidi writes:

I wasn't insulting anyone, just the two people in this article. I interpreted your Boulder comment as an insult, although I am not defending that stereotype. I do agree that there are bad apples in every group and commend anyone who is trying to make a good life for their family in a legal and moral way.
April 10, 2008

9:42 a.m.

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nayla34u writes:

Wow! That is so sad both parents are in street gangs and they want to baby to be apart of one to wow. These parents need parenting classes and serious help.
April 10, 2008

9:45 a.m.

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Kered writes:

Hmmm...I wonder what John Elway has to say about this?
April 10, 2008

9:49 a.m.

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Scott writes:

No nayla34u, these poor misunderstood hispanic gang bangers do NOT need government paid parenting classes. The "serious help" that this garbage needs is the inability to produce more kids! Also, the baby needs a loving and caring home, which totally rules out the poor misunderstood hispanic gang bangers.

Scott
April 10, 2008

9:50 a.m.

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El_Braino writes:

Heidi,

What I was trying to say was that the news picks these stories and really takes advantage of current situations. I'm sure there were dumb stories from all parts of Colorado; but I'd be hard pressed to find good stories reported by the media that involve Commerce City, Aurora, North, or West Denver. These two parents (and it's hard to call them parents when they're making decisions like this) are idiots. Plain and simple. Do they deserve all the criticism posted here? Definitely. But do we also have to look at their environment and opportunities to better not only themselves, but their families? Or are we just dismissing what they did because of their last names and the city they reside in?
April 10, 2008

9:59 a.m.

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Heidi writes:

El_Braino,

I think most of these comments had to do with the fact that these parents are in gangs and are wanting that lifestyle for their child. And I think it's a reasonable assumption that they are in Latino gangs. I believe this was a good story to report because it gives us awareness of the promotion of gang membership at a very early age, as well as the notion that there is nothing wrong with it. I don't know what we can really do about it, though.
April 10, 2008

10:04 a.m.

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American100 writes:

El Braino - If these 2 losers were educated in the USA they've had opportunity to better themselves.

I've never seen another group as opportunistic as the Mexi's.

They were raised by people with the same lack of charactor as they are going to raise their 15 kids with. It's their arrogance that keeps them in the gutter.

Gutter trash is what gutter trash spawns.

5 years ago you wouldn't have seen the angry, disgusted comments about mexi's, but the illegal's have caused such an uproar with their arrogant,blood sucking behavior that is has made it hard on all Hispanics, not just mexi's.

Mexican leaders need to step up and encourage change in their communities, not expect American society to accept them as they are or pity them for their lack of "opportunity".
April 10, 2008

10:05 a.m.

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SKTR writes:

So this is what the end of civilization looks like.........
April 10, 2008

10:05 a.m.

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El_Braino writes:

Heidi,

Hopefully the parents grow up soon and realize that their life is not theirs anymore. When you become a parent, your life changes dramatically. I hope, for the child's sake, that they realize this sooner rather than later. It's time for a change.
April 10, 2008

10:12 a.m.

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El_Braino writes:

American100;

Obviously you've lived the life of luxury. I was educated by the DPS system and it was BAD! I was in all of the AP classes and had to use text books from 1958 for our Ancient Civilization class! DPS is a joke. It didn't prepare me for college and I was in the top 10 in GPA. Commerce City schools are even worse. Have you ever stepped foot in a Commerce City school? You'd see why these kids don't believe they have a future when there educational institute looks like prison.

And as far as opportunities, we all have opportunities in life. Some social classes have a lot better and more frequent opportunities than others. You can't look at your own upbringing and your own opportunities and think that all of us have that same privilege. We don't.

Your words spawn hate. And if that's what your looking to promote, then this is my last comment here. I'd rather give the Mexican community a blog that they can be proud of, and not feed into your hate messages.
April 10, 2008

10:22 a.m.

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American100 writes:

My life of luxury started with my being born in a prison where my Mother was being held by Castro. She died there. My Dad was in another prison camp.

My family was granted political assilym when I was 3.

We landed in NY, homeless, penniless & hungry, so my Dad asked a local grocer if we could ALL work stocking shelves in exchange for food and a place to sleep on the floor.

My Dad worked 3 jobs and yet managed to keep us together, in line and educated.

He married a wonderful woman who also contributed by working 2 jobs, all so we could live n a 3 room hovel.

I paid my own way through college with the help of a small baseball scholarship. I also won a power lifting stippend. Nobody ever gave me or mine anything.

My dad now builds about 200 homes a year in Miami, which skunks my construction company that builds 20-25 a year. Hard work, no crying or feeling self pity.

So BOO HOOHOO to these cry babies who think they have it so rough.
April 10, 2008

10:29 a.m.

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olsonmt writes:

Hmmm... for some reason I was not surprised to see the hispanic surname. Anyone else? El_Braino says we have to look at their environment. I don't blame the US. I don't blame Commerce City. This country will help those that want to help themselves. I blame the small but persistent segments of the hispanic and black communities that can't rise above their gang culture. Raising their kids to be gang bangers from birth is proof that these people willingly perpetuate gang culture. They deserve the misery, lack or opportunity, and death that comes with it. It's too bad some real "Americans" (legal or not, minority or not) get caught in the crossfire.
April 10, 2008

10:30 a.m.

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davies writes:

Heidi and El Braino: I do not see any mention of the mother's surname or any other indication that she is Latino/Hispanic/Mexican. In fact I think her gang could be the Aryan brotherhood.

But in any case, why don't the parents just shoot it out like true gangbangers?
April 10, 2008

10:36 a.m.

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blondiearvada writes:

American100, you seem very proud of who you are and how far you have come in this country. You should be. If EVERYONE had to fight as hard as your family has had to, then maybe more would be as appreciative of their life as you are of yours.
April 10, 2008

10:38 a.m.

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Heidi writes:

davies, good catch! How shallow of me to assume. She will not be going to Valhalla regardless of what gang she is in.
April 10, 2008

10:40 a.m.

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Heidi writes:

olsonmt,

I second that thought!!
April 10, 2008

10:41 a.m.

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American100 writes:

thanks blondiearvada.

I have NO respect for what I see coming across the border.
April 10, 2008

10:42 a.m.

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American100 writes:

By the way - My wife I would gladly adopt this beautiful, innocent baby.
April 10, 2008

10:44 a.m.

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olsonmt writes:

Schools are only as bad as the parents and the students make them. New textbooks and new buildings are not critical success factors. I've personally seen schools in other countries with dirt floors and a single textbook, but where there is a passion for learning. These kids make the most of their scant opportunities. El Branio, I'm sorry you complain about the eduction you got here. The parents in DPS need a wake up call. Think about rural schools for a minute... most have lower budgets, older buildings, etc. They don't have the same problems DPS does. The difference is they have students, parents and teachers that care.
April 10, 2008

10:45 a.m.

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Heidi writes:

American100,

Too bad you can't.
April 10, 2008

10:49 a.m.

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American100 writes:

Heidi that's the nicest thing anyone has said to me in a long time (on these posts).

Thanks
April 10, 2008

10:52 a.m.

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davies writes:

I had to look up 'Valhalla' awhile back to see what the *&%# it was. Seems to be some kind of afterlife place for the souls of warriors who died in battle. So maybe there WILL be some gangbangers there ;-)
April 10, 2008

10:54 a.m.

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Scott writes:

America100: Your story is what this country is all about! My hat is off to you and your entire family. Your cojones are a whole lot bigger than mine. ;-)

Too many times we forget that this country was built by people like America100 and his family. This is what makes America great. Instead all we hear about in the news is the scum like the two bags of filth that are fighting over which gang junior will be in.

Scott
April 10, 2008

10:55 a.m.

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olsonmt writes:

Davies, I will bet my life savings that the mom is a member of a Hispanic gang. As an aside, look up crime stats and count the numbers committed by black and hispanic gangs versus the Aryan Brotherhood or any other gang (including Asian, White et.al.). In the past, most every race and ethinicity has had a gang problem at one time or another. Whites have other problems today e.g. most serial killers, mall and school shooters, bombers, etc. The fact is today gangs are predominately a black and hispanic problem. Deal with it.
April 10, 2008

10:56 a.m.

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Heidi writes:

American100,
I hope you didn't take that as a sarcastic remark. I meant that I believe you could and would give that baby a much better life than it will probably have.
April 10, 2008

10:57 a.m.

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studog writes:

This is a very easy decision. The gang with the best 401k plan and the best health insurance should be the gang this kid should join. Come on people...use some common sense. Do I have to solve all of the worlds problems.
April 10, 2008

11:04 a.m.

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davies writes:

olsonmt: Betting my life savings wouldn't be a big risk for me, due to ahem, a recent change in marital status. But my post was intended to be mostly tongue in cheek.

Interesting "whites have other problems" contention anyway; could start a whole new thread with that one.
April 10, 2008

11:04 a.m.

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blondiearvada writes:

If those who crossed the borders, and filled the boats were more like the family of American100 and most of our ancestors, there would not be the immigrant issues that we deal with today. Maybe he and his wife would consider adopting children to help them have the quality of life that they have woked so hard to achieve.
April 10, 2008

11:08 a.m.

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Heidi writes:

davies, should I lock the gates to Valhalla when your ex arrives?
April 10, 2008

11:08 a.m.

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American100 writes:

Thanks Heidi & Scott. No, I didn't detect any sarcasim.

People here probably think I'm a tyrant.

In real life I'm known to be VERY quiet & laid back, even shy & straight laced. I've never tried drugs or pot and I just started drinking 2 years ago. I just turned 41 so a little behind the curve. Love that friday night glass of wine.

My wife says I'm sensitive about the illegal thing because of my own hard background. She might be right.

I really do hate to see any baby who doesn't have 2 good parents. Very sad.
April 10, 2008

11:10 a.m.

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American100 writes:

and blondirarvda thx
April 10, 2008

11:13 a.m.

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olsonmt writes:

Sorry, Davies. I see the tounge firmly planted in your cheek now. My beef's not with you.
April 10, 2008

11:17 a.m.

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Heidi writes:

American100,
Looking back to when I was a rebellious teenager, I wonder if I would be where I am now if it wasn't for the great opportunities that were provided to me by my parents and heritage. I may have had a little bit later start to success in my life. You must have been a very strong person.
April 10, 2008

11:18 a.m.

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T1anda writes:

UGH!! In addition to the inbred stupidity they both received at birth. These two Trogladyte breeders should have definately been sterilized when they entered this world....along with millions of other idiots that birth babies like guppies.
April 10, 2008

11:19 a.m.

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my3pugs writes:

Gangs are a method to maximize short term economic prosperity. Assuming survival, long term prosperity either in prison or the gang is relatively better than the individual could likely attain given the education and abilities that the individual possesses. Gangs promise a better life for their members than the recruits expect. It may be that the promise is overstated or the expectations outside the gang are underappreciated, to the recruits the choice is clear even if to outsiders it appears insane. In this context, these parents only want what is best for their child, each perceives the gang of choice to be the best opportunity. Do parents have the right to make choices for their children as they see fit? Or are they subject to outside audit, review and reversal?
April 10, 2008

11:24 a.m.

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Ztliano writes:

This is why people from different gangs should not date.
April 10, 2008

11:25 a.m.

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Heidi writes:

my3pugs,
Something tells me you are a gang recruiter.
April 10, 2008

11:25 a.m.

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El_Braino writes:

American100,

To say that you have no respect for what's coming across the border is a little harsh. Like I've said before, I'm guessing these parents aren't new or even first generation immigrants. And to lump them in with immigrants is a little stereotypical. I admit I jumped the gun and assumed that the mother is hispanic. My bad.

Your upbringing seems to define who you are today. But also, like I said before, the opportunities that you had, or your dad had, are not avaiable to everyone. Your dad was given the opportunity to leave a bad situation. He made the most of that and I solute him for his willingness to survive.

I agree, a student will learn in any environment. I learned in mine. But its hard to be proud of a school that seemed to not be proud of their students.

Its time for a change in our system. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The middle class is dying slowly and we're getting caught in a blame game. Blame the illegals, blame the Mexicans, blame all immigrants! What about blaming our financial institutes that promised $200,000 mortages for less than $1000 a month? Or manufacturing companies that moved oversees? Customer Service companies that moved to India? We're left fighting for construction jobs and cleaning jobs, while the real issue is over the jobs leaving this country...
April 10, 2008

11:26 a.m.

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beentheredonethat writes:

Maybe when the US population figures out why gangs exist, something will change, but right now our collective heads are in the sand. Drugs and prostitution are illegal, so they keep the shadow life lucrative. Adulthood rituals are thought to be only for so-called primitive cultures and religious minorities like the Jews, so boys and girls respond to that innate urge to prove themselves by doing profoundly unproductive things, including bringing babies into hopeless situations and fighting and killing people to gain status and respect from their "brotherhood." Notice: not too many Jewish kids bang in gangs-- ever wonder why? But even wealthy kids without clear paths to manhood form very destructive groupings (fight clubs, Neo-Nazis, Harris & Klebold) because that urge to prove one's virility is genuine and we HAVE NO CULTURALLY ACCEPTED RITUAL(S) in this country to fulfill it.
April 10, 2008

11:26 a.m.

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Heidi writes:

Zeteliano, do you honestly believe that they ever actually went out on a date?
April 10, 2008

11:32 a.m.

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American100 writes:

Actually, we really had a hard first few married years. Married young, parents young. Looking under cushions for diaper money. Losing it in Hurricane Andrew. We just started living comfortably about 5 years ago.

These are the very things that made us strong and the things that forged my strong opinion against cultural laziness. I know there are good and bad in all cultures. I have a step brother that is on the other end of life who had the same upbringing I had.

Just when we see way too much of this in a particular group, you have to throw political correctness out the window and try some COMMON SENSE.
April 10, 2008

11:41 a.m.

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davies writes:

Heidi, you can let my ex into Valhalla if she qualifies. If you happen to be a person of authority there, you can make her the official snake exterminator or something. Thanks.
April 10, 2008

11:48 a.m.

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ariel writes:

speaking as a jew, everyone knows that these things are determined via matrilineal descent. therefore, if mama is a crip, baby is a crip. Q.E.D.
April 10, 2008

11:50 a.m.

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jjez writes:

Hey, give the Mom a break! At least she has a job!
April 10, 2008

11:56 a.m.

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davies writes:

my3pugs: "Do parents have the right to make choices for their children as they see fit? Or are they subject to outside audit, review and reversal?"

There are many valid parental rights of course, but these should not automatically trump societal standards and the rights of the child. I would not mind if the social services pendulum swung away from parental rights and more towards children's rights. This would include measured but clear, definite, prompt consequences for parental failure, including permanent dissolution of legal guardianship. A parent admitting membership in a street gang would be strike one.
April 10, 2008

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Crub writes:

You people are dumb.
April 10, 2008

12:06 p.m.

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jjez writes:

Hey davies--did you not notice that it's the afterlife for VIKING warriors? So unless you or your ex are from Minnesota, you wouldn't qualify! (okay, the MN thing is a joke but not the Viking part). As to the schools thing, they look like prisons in response to the fact that most of the attendees carry guns, knives & weapons of various sorts. And in doing so, should probably BE in prison. The schools are what the society makes them. And school pride is created by those who attend the school. If they spray paint gang symbols on the walls & fight in the halls, smash windows, destroy books etc, it's their own fault that they don't have a school to have pride in.
April 10, 2008

12:13 p.m.

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jjez writes:

El Brainio: "the opportunities that you had..are not avaiable to everyone" EXCUSE ME? opportunities are what you make of them! These kids have the opportunity to attend school, do well at it, get scholarships and/or student loans and get a higher education. They have plenty of opportunities to better themselves. They just don't take it. Learn to speak well, write well, and dress like a normal person (not with the crotch of your jeans down around your knees) and you'd be surprised what kind of opportunities present themselves!
April 10, 2008

12:16 p.m.

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say_what writes:

Really the colors you wear are pointless. The real question is which cell block will the baby have when he gets popped at 16 for killing someone?
April 10, 2008

12:23 p.m.

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medina88 writes:

American100-I am also hispanic NOT of Mexican heritage. I, like you, have wonderful well behaved boys (what a blessing) I work and do the american thing. I just think it's wrong to judge and blame the mexican's. How do you know these parent are from Mexico? You don't, so don't diss without the facts. So...your culture has NEVER broken the law and NO ONE is part of ANY type of gang? wow, you should tell us your race so we can pull a few things. Sure you had a rough childhood, most of us have. Get over it and be glad where you are now. Why not give others the benefit of the doubt and allow them a chance to succeed. some do and some don't.

I'm not thrilled that we have a ton of aliens here but we can't blame the whole hispanic/latino culture because a few bad ones come over. We can't even assume every one in the paper is from Mexico. We raise our children the best we can. Those parent who don't....they are who we blame.

El_Braino...great comments on the hispanic cultures.
April 10, 2008

12:24 p.m.

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davies writes:

Crub: No we're not, you are.
April 10, 2008

12:33 p.m.

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April 10, 2008

12:33 p.m.

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dirkle writes:

" life in the low lane ... "
April 10, 2008

12:37 p.m.

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OhBrother writes:

Just becuase you make a mistake in your life @ 19 doesn't automaticly make you a failure. I did plently of stupid things but I learned from them. I agree there is a limit and exscuses can never replace action but to condem children won't resolve this problem.

Be proud of your upbringing and your achomplishments. Everyone has an oportunity to better themselves in this country but every person does not obtain an inner strength or self confidence to rise above difficult circumstances. It's easy to go down the wrong path when you don't have a support team and your ideas of success are what you see on telivison and internet. This isn't a sad or sob story. it's a product of society and poor parental guidence
April 10, 2008

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Heidi writes:

fefe,
Read American100's posts before you go spouting off! Who's the bigot? Just because his name is American100, you assume he is white.
April 10, 2008

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coloradolifer writes:

I'm waiting for Tina Griego's take on this...
April 10, 2008

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American100 writes:

Heidi what we just saw from fefe is the anti-american rhetoric, the blame whitey mentality that holds people back.

Fefe is angry because I don't support and condone gangs or lazy lifestyles and people expecting handouts.

As for a wantabe, wantabe what?

I have a great family, kids, successful business, beautiful home. I have what I want and I did it without becoming A BURDEN TO SOCIETY.
April 10, 2008

1:11 p.m.

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ISKIFREELY writes:

Don't you people have jobs?
April 10, 2008

1:13 p.m.

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American100 writes:

It's fun to watch people go nuts about my comments.

Because I am pro-American people assume I'm white.

There are lots of proud brown, black, yellow and red Americans too.

Don't assume someone is white just because they're right.
April 10, 2008

1:21 p.m.

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El_Braino writes:

American100;

You talk about the blame whitey mentality, but you also talk about how you're glad you're not Mexican. You even went so far as to say -- more of that WONDERFUL culture. You talk about how you haven't seen anything good cross the border, but you yourself crossed the border (and yes, the ocean is a border). It's hard to believe that you are quiet and laid back - as you have posted - when all you do is hate bait on this blog. And have you ever considered the posibility that these parent could be of Cuban descent?
April 10, 2008

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davies writes:

Yes El Braino, I think he has. I think his point is it's not where you come from, it's how you act and what you do.
April 10, 2008

1:26 p.m.

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American100 writes:

ElBraino - If it turns our either of these losers are of Cuban descent, I will buy you a beer.

By the way, if you look back you'll notice I said:

I know there are good and bad in all cultures. I have a step brother that is on the other end of life who had the same upbringing I had.

Just when we see way too much of this in a particular group, you have to throw political correctness out the window and try some COMMON SENSE.
April 10, 2008

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davies writes:

I stand corrected.
April 10, 2008

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American100 writes:

AND we came here legally. That's a HUGE part of assimilating.
April 10, 2008

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American100 writes:

Stand corrected Davies?
April 10, 2008

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El_Braino writes:

I've read your blogs. But look at your last blog - "Just when we see way too much of this in a particular group, you have to throw political correctness out the window and try some COMMON SENSE." - are you saying Mexicans or are you saying hispanics altogether? What it looks like to me is you are Mexican-bashing, and that's the way I've interpreted your comments.
April 10, 2008

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buffsblg writes:

Classic discussion on here. No real way to actually know either parents race. I did child protection in Aurora and learned that names do not always reflect racial background. Certainly could be hispanic, but there are also "black" gangs and "asian" gangs in that area. Lets not all over generalize except to say these may not be the greatest parents.

I have no inside info on this case, but my experience with Adams DHS is that they keep pretty quiet about investigations. The fact that it is not in the paper does not mean that there is not an investigation.
April 10, 2008

1:33 p.m.

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CaptainObvious writes:

Why would anyone want to help these people? It's a very bad investment. Sure, we could pour money into a program to help them, but once they embrace the street-gang lifestyle and its "Here Today, Gone Tomorrow" mentality, they are living on borrowed time. Statistically, it's only a (short) matter of time before their dead or in prison. Why waste the money? They made their choice, let'em live (and die) with it.
April 10, 2008

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anthony1979 writes:

This is horrible and disgusting. This is also ANOTHER example of how bad our child welfare services are. The kid, unfortunately, will probably end up not being a productive, positive part of society. It's sad to see a child born into such a disadvantage but it happens all the time, even worse situations.

Joseph Manzanares, toast to you!!...you completely clueless idiot!...maybe the kid will luck out and BOTH of the parents will die in some sort of gang activity. I must also say SHAME ON THE BABY'S GRANDPARENTS! These idiots are just teenagers, not that it is a good excuse but it is a factor. There should be SOMEONE telling these kids SOMETHING!

Not all teenage Latino/Chicano/Hispanics are like this but unfortunately, they are the stereotypical ones....thanks guys for helping us continually look bad!!
April 10, 2008

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American100 writes:

Mexicans are where we are seeing enormous problems.

Which other group, hispanic or otherwise has created as much outrage across America with illegals & crime?
April 10, 2008

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El_Braino writes:

So you're saying that all/majority of Cubans are outstanding citizens and all have come here legally?

You generalize so much. Just because the last name is hispanic, you lump them all with illegal Mexicans. Who's being stereotypical?
April 10, 2008

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American100 writes:

Bottom line El Braino - the constant stream of crime and bad press about Mexicans, legal and not gives all Hispanics a black eye.

There's no excuse for mass bad behavior. It's a cultural issue, not a racial issue.

It's about being an American, not being white, black or brown.
April 10, 2008

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American100 writes:

I know Jeuden - I'm a firm believer the USA would be an ugly extension of Mexico if white settlers hadn't come along and turned America into the beautiful, gracious place it is.

I think other cultures could have done it too but I don't think Mexicans would be any better off than they are now, probably worse off, if somebody else hadn't come in to settle the country.
April 10, 2008

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El_Braino writes:

American100;

You've stated that you are raising kids. Hopefully they become as successful as you claim you are. But if your kids were to ever become news, they'd be lumped together with the rest of us unlawful, illegal Mexicans. Newspapers don't print ancestry documents...
April 10, 2008

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American100 writes:

My point exactly El Braino.

Mexicans are giving ALL hispanics a black eye.
April 10, 2008

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davies writes:

Jeuden is like that old Senator Hayakawa of California, who said about the Panama Canal: "I think we should keep it. We stole it fair and square".
April 10, 2008

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El_Braino writes:

No American100;

The assumption of ancestry, race, and heritage is giving Mexicans a black eye.
April 10, 2008

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American100 writes:

Oh Bull
April 10, 2008

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ashlandbus writes:

American100... I would say groups that have created as much outrage are drug dealers, drug addicts, theives, gangsters, violent individuals, wife beaters, drunk drivers, etc. What do you think? These are actual criminals. Not the "Hispanic" group you speak of. The "Hispanic" group (leag or otherwise) I know as my neighbors are mostly wonderful people. They don't cause me any harm or trouble.
April 10, 2008

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El_Braino writes:

Is it? How many out there are assuming that these parents are Mexican?
April 10, 2008

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American100 writes:

why do you think that is El Braino?
April 10, 2008

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El_Braino writes:

We live so close to Mexico that anyone with a hispanic last name is automatically Mexican. If we were in New York, we'd be Puerto Rican. Miami? Cuban. Pennsylvania? Brazilian.

But beyond that, even if these parents were Mexican, the choices that they made were their choices, not that of a race. Responsibility lies at the individual level. We all want what's best for our kids. We can give them all the tools to succeed. But even kids make their own choices. Look at your brother compared to you. We all have bad seeds in our families. I'm not immune to that. But do we love them less? Do we let them define our family character? No.
April 10, 2008

2:17 p.m.

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Heidi writes:

I think we should give the Panama Canal to the descendants of Attila the Hun.
April 10, 2008

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davies writes:

I'm ambivalent. No I don't think we should give American territory back. But I don't think we should say it is BS that we stole it from Mexico or the natives or whoever either. We probably did steal it just as fair and square as any other territory holder on the planet.

Some might say the whole illegal immigrant debate is another example of this.
April 10, 2008

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American100 writes:

We've given them the tools they need to succeed. They need to go back to Mexico now and make it a place worth living.
April 10, 2008

2:29 p.m.

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El_Braino writes:

American100 -- again, you're Mexican bashing! It's shamefull that you have to go back to that tactic. Your blogs seem educated, but then your ignorance shows.
April 10, 2008

2:32 p.m.

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American100 writes:

what did fefe say that got him deleted
April 10, 2008

2:33 p.m.

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davies writes:

You sound like one of those evil conspirators that want to enslave the world.
April 10, 2008

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American100 writes:

I liked Mexicans more when I was ignorant about Mexi's
April 10, 2008

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Heidi writes:

*poof* Gone is fefe! He was bashing American100, calling him a bigot, thinking he is almighty whitey.
April 10, 2008

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El_Braino writes:

American100, your ignorance has increased...
April 10, 2008

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American100 writes:

It's the illegals that made me start noticing the Mexi mind set
April 10, 2008

2:41 p.m.

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El_Braino writes:

American100,

why so angry towards Mexicans? You've assumed so much in your blogs. And what exactly is the Mexi mind set?
April 10, 2008

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Heidi writes:

It was the Mexican strike day and the burning of the flag, and the hanging upside down of the American flag with the Mexican flag flying over it that really got me going!
April 10, 2008

2:47 p.m.

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davies writes:

Jeuden, I was wondering if you were coming 'out' today or not. Let's see if Am100 shuns you now.
April 10, 2008

2:48 p.m.

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American100 writes:

America owes us, Americans owe us, blame whites for our failures, blame whites for our childrens failures, it's your fault our kids are on drugs and in gangs, you stole america from us, you're bad, we are victims, we don't have to learn english, even generations later we sound like we just crossed the border, we're entitled to be here illegally and you have to feed, clothe,educate and medicate us etc etc etc
April 10, 2008

2:50 p.m.

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American100 writes:

I only shun lazy criminals & beggars
April 10, 2008

2:53 p.m.

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davies writes:

Am100: Not Jews then, who are generally acknowledged to be hard workers?
April 10, 2008

2:53 p.m.

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El_Braino writes:

Wow, and this is the same person who wrote this:
--In real life I'm known to be VERY quiet & laid back, even shy & straight laced. I've never tried drugs or pot and I just started drinking 2 years ago. I just turned 41 so a little behind the curve. Love that friday night glass of wine. My wife says I'm sensitive about the illegal thing because of my own hard background. She might be right.--

I hope you don't own a gun because I'm thinking that might not be a good thing Dr. Jekyll.
April 10, 2008

2:58 p.m.

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American100 writes:

El Braino - I'm not violent but the culture in question is. Isn't that why they claim to flee in fear?
April 10, 2008

2:59 p.m.

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Gemini79 writes:

There's nothing like the discussion of Race that gets everyone's panties in a bunch.

Trash does come in all colors...
April 10, 2008

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American100 writes:

Nope I'm not jdub
April 10, 2008

3:03 p.m.

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Heidi writes:

Whatever happened to him?
April 10, 2008

3:04 p.m.

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El_Braino writes:

Again, you're assuming that all the criminals in these stories with hispanic last names are Mexican. All I've tried to point out is that it might not be that way. You've clearly had issues with Mexicans before, and I'm sorry to hear that. But bloging stereotypes and hate messages doesn't solve problems; it only feeds into the notion that all hispanics are monsters.
April 10, 2008

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El_Mariachi writes:

*Wondering* What kind of soap American100 uses to turn his brown skin white?
April 10, 2008

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American100 writes:

Got a problem with hard working, successful hispanic immigrants WHY?
April 10, 2008

3:12 p.m.

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El_Braino writes:

This story is on the Denver Post. The dad is hispanic (don't know nationality) and the mother is African-American...

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnew...
April 10, 2008

3:12 p.m.

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American100 writes:

WHY your comment suggests whites are the only ones who oppose the mexi crime spree, gangs and illegals
April 10, 2008

3:15 p.m.

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happymike44 writes:

Let me start by saying the reason we have guns in the school is the parents fault.First they do not feel they owe anything to anybody.They are the ones who are cuasing the problem by not making it clear to their kids that they will not tolerate any nonsense.Also let's start putting the parents of these little bundles of joy in prison.FInd a gun on your kid you go to jail,Find a knofe you go to jail,find anyting that kids are not supposed to be carrying you go to jail.But here is the twist make them work all week long at their job.Then put them in jail on the weekends.This means no time off and I bet the thought of spending all your free time in jail will bring all these problems to a halt.But even if your working all the time.Then you go to jail when you get off work.The answer is this your kid carries a gun you go to jail for every free minute of you life.So how hard is that to understand.Wonder how fast all the mommy and daddy of these little sweeties would put up with the guns and knife routine.Also lets start deporting the ones we can,then maybe if we make it clear you are a criminal and we don't and won't tolerate this kind of behavior.Then maybe we can clean up the garbage and send it back where it came from.
April 10, 2008

3:18 p.m.

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Heidi writes:

happymike,
So who is going to watch over and take care of the little bundles of joy when the parents are in jail?
April 10, 2008

3:20 p.m.

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El_Braino writes:

At the end of the day, its a tragedy that a child should have to be born into such a bad situation. Can we change the world? Yes we can. Si se puede. But it starts with all of us. It starts with the realization that we are all at fault -- not just for gangs, but for how we treat each other.

"We have learned to fly the air like birds and swim the sea like fish, but we have not learned the simple art of living together as brothers." ~Martin Luther King, Jr., Strength to Love, 1963
April 10, 2008

3:29 p.m.

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Squatch writes:

Holy Crap Criminals do come in other shades of color than Brown & Black.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news...
April 10, 2008

3:30 p.m.

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Appalachian writes:

My wife sent this article to me and it reminded me of why we decided to live in Colorado - the people! Seriously some of the funniest comments I have EVER read (love the Westside Story one).

American100, you are my hero. It's people like you who make me proud to call this nation my home. As for the bigots who gone on and on about Blacks v. Hispanics, etc., there is a special place in hell reserved for a man who fails to reach out to other men, regardless of the color of their hands.

As for the baby, each one: cut it in half and let each gang have their share. Duh...
April 10, 2008

3:32 p.m.

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davies writes:

You mean Jeuden is not jdub? Or is this some kind of disinformation campaign?
April 10, 2008

3:34 p.m.

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Heidi writes:

Wow, Appalachian,

You want people who fail to reach out to other men to go to hell, but you are encouraging gang members to cut a baby in half? Where did you come from?

Oh, and welcome to RMN.
April 10, 2008

3:35 p.m.

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American100 writes:

El Braino - It's sure as HELL not my fault this crap goes on.

You can take blame if you want to.

You're an enabler, a contributer to this crap when you release them of responsibility for their bad deeds by saying it's society to blame. BS.

That's the gimme, poor me, victim me attitude that spawns irresponsible people.
April 10, 2008

3:38 p.m.

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Heidi writes:

davies, don't be silly. What do you think?
April 10, 2008

3:38 p.m.

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El_Braino writes:

American100,

How many times have you reached out to help a fellow man, woman, or child? Could you have done more? I know I could have. You are not at fault, you say, but you do send messages of hate on your blog, but you don't promote violence?

I hope you find inner peace, because you seem so rooted in your hate for all those who are not like you; or better yet, who are not like the person you believe to be.
April 10, 2008

3:41 p.m.

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davies writes:

"You want people who fail to reach out to other men to go to hell, but you are encouraging gang members to cut a baby in half? Where did you come from?"

This is the wisdom of Solomon, of course. Can't recall his ethnicity - can anyone help?
April 10, 2008

3:44 p.m.

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MeAgainstMachine writes:

El Braino - What are you trying to say here. This is quoted out of your post at 1:56p...

You've stated that you are raising kids. Hopefully they become as successful as you claim you are. But if your kids were to ever become news, they'd be lumped together with the rest of us unlawful, illegal Mexicans. Newspapers don't print ancestry documents...

Please explain the second to last sentence to us.

By the way I applaude American100, you are a true American...from another land, but a man of the flag.
April 10, 2008

3:47 p.m.

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El_Braino writes:

MeAgainstMachine;

What I was trying to say was that the stereotype is if you're Mexican, then you must be illegal and also must be a criminal. These blogs have a way of lumping all hispanic last names into one category -- illegal Mexicans.
April 10, 2008

3:49 p.m.

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Squatch writes:

American100's Opinion of Mexicans is the same opinion that people of Florida,Georgia & Alabama have towards Cubans, Dominicans, Haitians, Puerto Ricans & Other Island People of the Coast.

I lived in Florida for a few years and its the same story as hear as far as people concerned all they do is commit crimes.
April 10, 2008

3:51 p.m.

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MeAgainstMachine writes:

no no, you're missing my point. you stated "us" which would include yourself as an illegal. Are you illegal? Or were you just going to assume that all of us in hear believe that a hispanic surname is that of an illegal alien criminal so you just thought you'd include yourself?
April 10, 2008

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El_Braino writes:

I am a legal Mexican. And like I stated previously, these blogs lump all hispanics -- legal or not, Mexican or not -- into one stereotypical category.
April 10, 2008

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Getaclue writes:

BTW---The mom is African American, with a high school diploma and college scholarships. Dad is just a prison candidate.
April 10, 2008

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davies writes:

Fresh: That's pretty wild stuff alright, but then read all these posts and you'll also find all kinds of uh, subtle evidence of bias and maybe some questionable logic.
April 10, 2008

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El_Braino writes:

Good comments davies!
April 10, 2008

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Heidi writes:

El_Braino, you say you are a legal Mexican. All this time I thought you were an American.
April 10, 2008

4:10 p.m.

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Squatch writes:

Yep you hit it on the head we all think like that. Give me a break.

Does that Mean all white people think like david duke?

I dont agree with Illegal Imigration for any race but it doesnt give people the right to Stereotype every person who happens to have brown skin and a spanish last name as an illegal Alien.
April 10, 2008

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El_Braino writes:

Mexican American? American of Mexican descent? Indigenous American? How about brown? Hispanic? Latino? Latin American? Born in the USA with brown skin and brown eyes?
April 10, 2008

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Heidi writes:

Fresh,
I could have done without reading that. What possesses people to think that way??
April 10, 2008

4:12 p.m.

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butch_m writes:

Well if this isn't the epitome of the average Hispanic family I don't know what is. The only thing we are missing is an adament denial of responsibility for disorderly conduct charge.
April 10, 2008

4:13 p.m.

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Heidi writes:

El_Braino, just call yourself an American if that's what you are.
April 10, 2008

4:15 p.m.

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El_Braino writes:

I am brown. Sorry if that offends people, but to many, I'm Mexican. Mexican isn't just a nationality, it's a race, a culture, a beautiful and peaceful way of life. Don't confuse us with thugs with names that might be of hispanic descent...
April 10, 2008

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Heidi writes:

I haven't done that.
April 10, 2008

4:19 p.m.

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MeAgainstMachine writes:

Well I think that this would happen less - racial division and stereotyping - if we started to see more Hispanics go on to be model citizens like American100.

My case is that I am white, from a an ALL BLACK neighborhood. I was raised by my mother who was ill most my life but worked two jobs; my father killed himself in a drunken rage. I grew up with nothing. The first set of NEW shoes I ever bought were from Payless at the age of 17.

I was chased and beaten weekly by black kids and teenagers for being a cracker, honkey, trailer trash and whatever else. I was always blamed for their plight and poverty, yet I was just as much a part of the same world as they were. It was the white man holding 'em down. I am a DPS educated, college graduate...who took advantage of a free public education. My mom left me and my sister with little when she passed away. Enough to put a deposit on an apartment for us. We both worked until I graduated from Metro and she started to attend. Now she just goes to school because I can afford to support both us. We overcame a lot of crap without the help of any kind of state assistance or family to back us up. It was me and my sis.

And to this day, it is easier for an African-American, Asian, and Hispanic to go to college simply for being of that descent than it is for a caucasian with the same public education.

I am sick of what El Braino is trying to defend. It is a cultural problem. I know this because those racist bigots that used to kick my ass for being white are in the same place...now with multiple children, no jobs, state assistance and the whole nine. It is far easier to just go along with the norms of where you are from than to actually make a life for yourself. I have no pity on any LEGAL immigrant or natural born that can't make it happen. It is simply bull***t and nothing more. There are people that have come from far less than myself and much more successful than me...like American100. I say that because he has a good 15 years of life on me.
April 10, 2008

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El_Braino writes:

Thanks to all of you for letting me be a part of your day today. I appreciate having some kind of impact on your lives, even if it's through this blog. In what other place can we have an open discussion like this? This country is great; and what makes it great is ALL of us.

Peace to all of you,

El_Braino
April 10, 2008

4:23 p.m.

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raysmom writes:

I just have 3 words to express what I think should happen to a "mother" who admits that she is a gang member, and that she is grooming her child to be one, too (after they take the child away, of course): Norplant, Norplant, Norplant.

As for the "father"- the big "V". To those who say this violates their rights- tough. Does the child have any "rights" as to how he is being raised? The whole thing is as discouraging as it gets.
April 10, 2008

4:27 p.m.

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El_Braino writes:

Sorry Fresh -- saw your post before I left here. I'm an American Citizen. I feel that my race is Mexican. I understand that most don't recognize Mexican as a race -- but to lump all as hispanic is a little too general for me. Like I said before, being Mexican is not a nationality, it's music, dance, food, language, religion, etc...

peace...
April 10, 2008

4:28 p.m.

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nonayerbsns writes:

AGAIN, it's not just Boulder that has strange things happening, huh? TIME TO CLEAN OUT THE GENE POOL.
April 10, 2008

4:41 p.m.

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Squatch writes:

Im a drunk will you buy me a drink?
April 10, 2008

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American100 writes:

EL Braino

I pay utility bills for 2 needy families. I contribute to a Christmas fund for needy kids, some of whom are here illegally but I don't blame the kids for their idiot parents bad choices.

I am helping to put 2 deserving kids through college and help support a boy who's parents died last year.

I am helping a newly immigrated Mexican family by providing a computer for their son and paying for the internet service. I was able to get my suppliers to donate work gear and clothing so the Dad can work here and they set him up with a job.

My wife volunteers her time to the needy and we require our kids to donate 40 hours per year to community service.

When I wasn't financially able to give money I worked with drug and gang kids in Miami and coached them with weight lifting and baseball. I started that when I was 19.

How about you El Braino - how do you help?
April 10, 2008

4:54 p.m.

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DC writes:

American100 I respect what you went through. However your comments on Mexicans is very insulting and ignorant!!! You lose all your creditbility when you become hateful! The problem is lack of education, and generalizing all of us is just plain stupid. I'm glad your not Mexican too!! You make the real honest hard working imigrants look bad with your ignorance. How could say stupid stuff like "I have no respect for comes across the border" When you crossed an ocean!! Like I said you are very ignorant.
April 10, 2008

4:56 p.m.

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American100 writes:

MeAgainstMachine - you have charactor and that my young friend will take you very far in life.

People are almost always willing to help those who help themselves.
April 10, 2008

4:59 p.m.

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American100 writes:

DC - I have NO respect for what I see coming over the Mexican Border ILLEGALLY-just to clarify.

My people came here legally.
April 10, 2008

5:04 p.m.

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Squatch writes:

Castro made you do it.

Just like a currupt government in mexico makes people come here. Its only matter of time before companies move manufacturing from china to mexico.
April 10, 2008

5:06 p.m.

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American100 writes:

I might have been born in Cuba but I am 100% American. I tried to name myself American100% but the RMN wouldn't take it.
April 10, 2008

5:07 p.m.

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American100 writes:

Castro will be outta there soon. My wife wants a vacation home in Cuba.
April 10, 2008

5:14 p.m.

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DC writes:

American100

Legally? From Cuba? If I were playing your ignorant game I would assume that they came here in a raft or floated on a tire. You continue to make assumptions that all gang bangers are Mexican and that Mexicans give Hispanics a black eye. That is total Bull!! If we wanted to solve the real problems in America, we would stop making everything a race issue, and call it what it really is, a class issue. It doesn't matter the color of skin, (brown, black, white) we all have people who bring us down. Why don't you move your children to Commerce City or West denver and see what they learn in school. I'm sure you'll educate them to the best of your ability, but I assure you that they will be influenced by their environment. These Parents are bad parents and race should have never been brought into the picture. Ignorance is contaigous Mr. Proud American!!! Sounds more like your full of yourself to me.
April 10, 2008

5:17 p.m.

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arby writes:

Sorry El Braino. Mexican is not a race. It's a culture There are people of all ethnicitys that are Mexican citizens. Just like here in Estades Unidas. And Cuba for that matter.

My grandson got into a similar situation when he was 17 and the mother was 18. Did they make some poor decisions? Of course. There were a few problems to work out between the two families initially. But we got it done. Both parents work and our beautiful great grandson is being raised with the help of both families. He is going to a parochial school. With the assistance of his grandparents on both sides. No DPS for this kid even though that is where I received my education. That's the way we are supposed to do it folks.
The kids in the story never had a chance.
April 10, 2008

5:23 p.m.

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American100 writes:

The Cubans who do float on over are considered legal if they can get one foot on the shore.

Cubans are confined to communism,thrown in jail for offenses such as being gay or speaking out against the government.

Mexicans don't have those problems. I would be more willing to help Mexico if they were American friendly.

The arrogance and burden of illegals is the topper and is what has propelled so many to take a stand against illegal immigration.

Also, the Cuban refugees don't demand as much in terms of freebies,and have close family ties allowing them to rely on each other.

I do get annoyed when in Miami everyone all but insist you speak spanish.

I have neices and nephews who are born here and have accents. That grinds my ass. It's disrespectful of this country and all this country has given our family. It also will hold them back.
April 10, 2008

5:37 p.m.

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American100 writes:

Guess what DC? People can come here legally from Mexicao too.

My framer, mason and cement contractors are Mexican, here LEGALLY, but I've had a hell of a time because of some illegals.

Last year I was in the paper for stopping a robbery on a job site. Guess what? They were illegals and had meth and weapons in the car.

Guess what else? The Mexican contractors on my jobs wanted to do BAD thngs to those guys for making it harder on Mexican legals.
April 10, 2008

5:42 p.m.

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jjez writes:

Everyone who is in this country is here because of migration. Whether it was across a land bridge from Asia, up from South America (which is another migration theory), or across an ocean. Those of us who have been here a generation or more feel that our way of life is being threatened. Some of my ancestors came over on the Mayflower. Others were here already. Others came during the Irish famine years. We who feel we are being overwhelmed by illegals have been here before the current immigration laws were enacted. But now we have those laws, and they should be upheld. The average middle class, white American (barring those of certain religions) have limited our progeny. The Mario Solis' of the world will over run everyone else by out-breeding us. But what kind of world will they inherit? Pollution, no clean water, little food. Rampant poverty. Basically, they will make it Mexico. But they have no concern for future generations when they can't see past their own. They have no hope for the future. They can't see past their own agendas to see that they are only making the world worse. Enforced sterilization smacks of Nazism. Do we really want that? Cultural change is required, but if nobody within the community cares or wants that change, nobody can force it on them.
April 10, 2008

5:45 p.m.

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American100 writes:

Self Deportation is happening. They are feeling the pressure.
April 10, 2008

5:52 p.m.

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jjez writes:

Americans can't own land in Mexico. Keeps us from taking it over. Which is too bad. I posted yesterday that maybe we should reposses the country (because they owe us alot of money) and make it America. Then there would be no more illegal immigration. Or less, anyway. Everyone would be American. They'd pay taxes, pay into Social Security, and legally reap the benefits of being American. They could be drafted and have to fight for this country, risking their lives, just like everyone else. It's very sad that social reforms that were meant to help people out of a bind have turned INTO the ties that bind. We're on our third and fourth generation of welfare now. It's a self-perpetuating cycle. At least the mom in this case has a job. Someone posted that she had graduated high school and had college scholarships. Too bad she did something stupid and now can't take advantage of them.
April 10, 2008

5:52 p.m.

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johnson writes:

Somebody on the DP commented at least some meth didn't accidently jump into the baby bottle.............BTW, el -braino, Mexican is not a race! It's a nationality!!! I know a Mexican family, still in Mexico, that is all redheads and blonds. They are fourth generation. At first glance you'd think they were Irish. Is that a race???
April 10, 2008

5:55 p.m.

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DC writes:

Guess what American100, my parents came here legally from Mexico!! They worked their butts off to provide a better life for me and my brothers. But I grew up in West Denver and felt the pressure of gangs and drugs. Again the problem in this situation has nothing to do with race but with education. Kids today are having kids!!! They still haven't figured out how to make the right decisions for themselves let alone for a baby. And I'm glad you stopped a robbery but if those robbers would have been white with drugs and guns it would be okay? Or then would we just focus on how drugs come across the border? Your just looking for a scapegoat!! And by the sound of your blogs you've just been looking to fit in with main stream America!! Maybe because you know Cuba is so hated by America.
April 10, 2008

6:04 p.m.

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American100 writes:

Are you serious DC? You think it's better if it's a white committing crime?

I've never gotten the feeling Americans hate Cubans. I have felt resentment from non-conforming, non-performing Mexicans though.

In fact letting people know I'm Cuban not Mexican has released pressure from conversation. I own a construction company and customers have asked me if I employ illegals. I let them know I don't and that I speak spanish because I'm from Cuba.

What an icebreaker.

I think the fact I'm taller than most Mexicans and have a lighter complexion helps too.
April 10, 2008

6:05 p.m.

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American100 writes:

I know of many people who hate mexico though
April 10, 2008

6:37 p.m.

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somebunnyluvsme writes:

you know what, the ethnicity of these two Waco's is beside the point. The sick and demented lack of the power to reason, and the obvious stupidity of the basic point of contention it's self, is the evidence that our society has become totally out of touch with any means of reasonable social discourse. I am going to kill you is the solution to all disagreements, real or imagined. The gang becomes the new system of social justice. Disagree, you are subject to death. Snitch, you are subject to death. Look at me crooked, and on, and on, and on. Not what I would call a situation with a whole lot of options, or hope for a future.
April 10, 2008

8:43 p.m.

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AmericanFirst writes:

Why is Colorado so STUPID when it comes to illegal aliens? Granted, it looks like these winners speak english, but this is what to expect for the future of Colorado. Where ever these hoodlums roost, their anchor babies break into houses, and cars, the white 'liberals' get uncomfortable and move out, more quality minorities flock in. Hispanics have a 50% DROPOUT RATE. So you are looking at One Million 'gang' members and relatives in a few decades.

A recent study found blacks and hispanics lack the equal level of MORAL BEHAVIOR of whites and Asians. This test was done by liberal lefties, and the story is from the WASHINGTON POST. Good god, wake up people.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/...

is scheduled to vote tonight on whether to accept a staff report that concludes, in part, that black and Hispanic students and special education students received lower marks than white and Asian American students for demonstration of "sound moral character and ethical judgment."

Such findings have prompted a debate on the potential bias in how teachers evaluate student behavior ...etc
April 10, 2008

9:53 p.m.

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Shaupeen writes:

Nice work American100. I read the whole freakin string, and I'd just like to say way to make your point and hold your ground.

It'd be great if every race/ethnicity/culture who emigrated here were proud enough of their new home and its opportunities that they could simply call themselves Americans. No hyphens, no modifiers, just American.
April 10, 2008

10:11 p.m.

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April 10, 2008

10:26 p.m.

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American100 writes:

Dc - a little defensive right? You struggle and yet never get ahead? Maybe because of your bad attitude and lack of education.

Don't blame whites or America for your failure and don't expect America to kiss your ass, we won't.

My counrty lets me vote. I'M AMERICAN!

I don't have to kiss ass because I'M AN AMERICAN!

My family was granted political asylum. We flew over on a plane, not creeping across the river in the dark of night or in the back of a semi driven by a coyote.

I own my own company because the opportunity is available in AMERICA, provided by AMERICANS.

I'm proud to be a part of the American dream.

You should try it sometime. As it is you are the American nightmre.
April 10, 2008

10:55 p.m.

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April 10, 2008

10:59 p.m.

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American100 writes:

You sound like you're about to become violent DC! Instinct, nature, resentment of someone who has earned more?
April 10, 2008

11:05 p.m.

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DC writes:

Violent? Because I tell the truth? And my instinct is to be better then you, my nature is to be smarter then you. Cause as I can recall where were the pyramids and so many great cultures found? Oh yeah Mexico!! Not Cuba!! And the only resentment I have is that people like you are considered Hispanic. Go ahead and judge me again and lose again!!
April 10, 2008

11:07 p.m.

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RightOn writes:

DC your last posts are making American look more correct.

Why so angry?

He's seemingly respectible and makes good points in favor of America.

You seem to dislike that.

Why does his success threaten you so much?

How is he a sellout?

Guys like him are what America is about. Coming here and being American does not make him a bad guy, it makes him the ideal.
April 10, 2008

11:12 p.m.

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DC writes:

Righton... I am not angry, I just have to defend my heritage!! I am proud to be American!! I dislike when someone attacks my heritage because my family came here from Mexico and worked their asses off!! I grew up a gang member and because of my home values learned to do better and now I am living the American dream! But righton, it is wrong to generalize any group. We have come so far for that in this country. Problems in America need to be looked at as a class issue and not a race issue, and I gaurantee you we will get a lot further! All respect.
April 10, 2008

11:16 p.m.

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RightOn writes:

And I'm not sure what truth you are telling that he isn't telling.

I re-read the last few posts.

How is he weak? I would say he's a strong charactor.

How would you know if his company sucks? Do you know who he is?

How is he bigoted toward his race? Do you mean because he is successful or because he embraces America?
April 10, 2008

11:18 p.m.

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RightOn writes:

Hmm he always said it wasn't a race issue but a behavior issue.
April 10, 2008

11:19 p.m.

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RightOn writes:

OK but how is he a sellout?
April 10, 2008

11:23 p.m.

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DC writes:

I mean because he says so rash comments on Mexicans he is a bigot. He should know and does know the harsh reality of what it is to be a imigrant in this country, and when he made his early comments on Mexicans.... Well that makes him weak as a person who has lived that life. He generalized my people and made the mistake of putting us all in the same category. No matter how much he tries to deny that, he knows in his heart that, that is what he did. Your problem Righton, is that you read these blogs one sided. I never have said nor will I ever disrespect America! I will defend America in any situation, but I will also defend my family!!
April 10, 2008

11:27 p.m.

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DC writes:

He insinuated my family came here in the middle of the night and made the mistake of calling me uneducated!! And the only reason he did this was to make himself seem better. That Righton, is a bigot and a sellout.
April 10, 2008

11:35 p.m.

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RightOn writes:

Well DC - you DO realize his comments were in response to your attack on him right?

I've been re-reading the posts and I don't quite get what he said that started your attack upon him, his company, his family and his charactor, even Cuba.

When you accuse someone of kissing "white ass" you sound like someone who hates whites or maybe even Americans.

He didn't attack you personally until you decided it was ok for you to attack him.

What's up with that?
April 10, 2008

11:37 p.m.

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RightOn writes:

Oh oh oh you're ticked because he's a successful hispanic who doesn't support illegal immigration and who thinks the Mexican doesn't blend in. Gotcha.
April 10, 2008

11:46 p.m.

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RightOn writes:

From the point of view from a white American woman, I would say American is doing what would be expected of all immigrants.

I don't have a problem with you DC but I do admire American.
April 10, 2008

11:47 p.m.

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DC writes:

Maybe your computer isn't working correctly!! His early comments said he was glad not to be Mexican. take the time to start from the beginning. And I liked you in the beginning but now you are making the mistake of assuming as well. The Mexican blends in (especailly in these parts) more then any other imigrant ever will. I am also against illegal immigration. Don't be ignorant Righton.... Pride in my culture is not against America. Stop believing everything you read.
April 10, 2008

11:51 p.m.

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DC writes:

I am as American as you Righton... I can vote!! I do Vote!! But I will never think of my culture as less. That's the great thing about America!! Do you celebrate St. Patricks day? Do you eat at Italian resteraunts? They all came here just like Mexicans. They just were accepted way before us.
April 11, 2008

2:17 a.m.

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csintz writes:

We really ought to issue a license to those who want to become parents or pass out birth control like tic-tacs! Unfortunately for this child he was born to half wits who have nothing to offer this poor child. What were these two thinking? There is no excuse for their utter lack of brains. We live in a country where we all have access to education, so I find it completely ridiculous that these people are so stupid. We have sex education in schools, parenting classes in home economics in high school, anti-gang education and even television can offer examples of what good parenting is. I never get why people like them think having a child is a good idea in the first place. If abortion is not an option then give the poor child to one of the desperate couples out there who might actually have some brains. I am so tired of seeing these low-lifes procreate. Get a clue - put the child in pink or blue and think about protecting this child, setting a good example and giving this child a real future as a law-abiding, productive member of a society.
April 11, 2008

4:41 a.m.

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IamSiamese writes:

El Braino and Am 100, you guys are having a contest about which race is to blame for the causing all of the crime in our society. We need to focus on the tragedy into which this baby was born. You both have some valid points but the issue at hand is about a couple, a baby, and how a tragic situation came to fruition.
Let's start with the following ideas: 1) find possible solutions and/or prevetitive measures to eliminate this kind of human tragedy 2) ABOVE ALL ELSE, WE MUST REALIZE THAT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US ARE ALL OF ONE RACE....THE HUMAN RACE!
I have a sneaking suspicion if we were to start putting the concept stated in #2, into play, we coukld solve a multitude of problems. However, I'm not going to hold out high hopes of it ever happening (on a global level...at least not in this lifetime!
April 11, 2008

4:54 a.m.

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gwats writes:

Gee, two teenage parents fighting over what criminal enterprise their toddler son should be affiliated with.
A NEW low in stupidity and ignorance. Some people should never breed.
April 11, 2008

5:23 a.m.

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IamSiamese writes:

By all means, gwats, I'm in agreement and I was just getting to that. Obviously, mom and dad's genetic strain is not exactly one of natures' "better efforts", to say the least! Therefore, our society wouldn't be up for a great loss if we were to eliminate it completely. It would be nice if we could get mom and dad fixed to ensure there are no chances of it happening.
Obviously, it's too late for jr. because he's already here and it would be rather difficult to send him back, huh? But the human tragedy here is the child and his well being. He didn't ask to be born, nor did he choose his parents. (If he did, his luck was nothing short of disaster when it came to the gene pool lottery.
I'm not a huge fan of Social Services, but all I can do, in this case is to hope they place him in a home where he'll have a slight chance of eventually becoming a productive member of society.
April 11, 2008

7:43 a.m.

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CaptainObvious writes:

Go home DC. Back to Mexico with you.
April 11, 2008

8:21 a.m.

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DC writes:

CaptianObvious
Home is Denver, born and raised!! I proud to be American and also proud of my Mexican heritage!
April 11, 2008

8:44 a.m.

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DC writes:

You have a valid point GWM. But not all of us are the same. And that is when I get offended. I don't like it when we generalize and caterorize. When the Irish and Italians came here it was way before we had a legal or illegal imigrants. they were just accepted when the came in. Teaching in their native language is part of the assimilation process. I don't agree on just teaching in Spanish to Spanish speaking imigrants. But in the beginning it is crucial. And I do not want to start this conversation, but the reason Mexicans were here way before Italians and Irish is because the SouthWest used to be Mexico. Have resentment towards illegals, not Mexicans. All the Mexicans I know have assimilated and do contribute to this Country.
April 11, 2008

8:51 a.m.

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Squatch writes:

American100 is a real american he has stated himself that he has Hired Legal Mexicans who work for less to work for his company instead of Americans who would demand much more money & benefits. You have learned the american way American100 hire mexicans from mexico to add more money to your pockets keep up the good work.

This is the reason we have Illegal aliens in this country because people hire them for less because we Americans expect more.
April 11, 2008

9:15 a.m.

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RightOn writes:

Squatch - YOU NEED TO LEARN TO READ!

At no point have I ever seen American say he would hire illegals, in fact he was po'd because he found out illegals were using stolen SS#'s and he was paying out between $50K-$60K per year to them so he called ICE and had them picked up.

He never said anything about being able to give them less benefits.

Where did you see that?

The reason people on these postss like American is because he refuses to use illegals and enforces his beliefs.

Wow, if this was people using real names you'd be guilty of liable.
April 11, 2008

9:21 a.m.

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RightOn writes:

Squatch - where did he say he hires legals for less.

Little bit of lying going on there squatch.

People who have seen American around know your statements don't ring true.
April 11, 2008

9:34 a.m.

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American100 writes:

Squatch - Pay attention. I pay my subs based on skill not skin color.

I refuse to hire illegals. Since I hire subs I can't ask for documentation so I send a letter out with every check that says "We abide by State and Federal Immigration Laws. Any contractor violating those laws will be terminated and expelled from this company's job sites and turned over to proper authorities".

My lowest starting wage is for construction clean and I pay $25 per hour per person. My construction clean crew is Mexican - LEGAL.

My subs tell me I pay about 3X's what other crew bosses pay.
April 11, 2008

9:39 a.m.

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American100 writes:

As for learning spanish in school. BullSHIP!

I thank GOD there wasn't english emersion when I started kindergarten.

I didn't speak a word of English when I started school and now speak perfect, unaccented english.

Some of my young relatives in Miami, who were born in the US went into english emersion (STUPID IDEA), because their parents wanted to maintain their spanish. Now they sound like they just got of the freaking boat.

I am openly critical of their spanish accents. (which lessen when I'm around). They are born here, they are American and they need to get over my idiot step-brother's obsession with Cuba. The Cuban government sucks, they kill and I have no gratitude at all to that sect.
April 11, 2008

9:47 a.m.

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DC writes:

GWM - my point on the education process is that in the early stages of assimilation, "I beleive" is to not fall behind in education. They definitely need to learn English and should be required to do so after a x amount of time in the system.

Education 50 to 100 years ago was so much different then it is now and the process was able to go slower for the other imigrants of then.

And I am definitely not for AA!! Just let me clarify that point. I beleive any person needs to be promoted according to their abilities, and never race.
April 11, 2008

9:49 a.m.

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Squatch writes:

so why dont you hire american first?
April 11, 2008

9:52 a.m.

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American100 writes:

I hire based on skill not skin color.

My cement, masonry, framing, & cleaning crews are legal mexican subs. My roofer, plumber, electrician etc are American.

So I have mixed crews. I don't say, Oh geeze, I am short a few Mexicans or Americans on my job, better place and ad.
April 11, 2008

9:53 a.m.

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Squatch writes:

By hiring non-american you give incentive for Legal & illegal alike to come to America for work and take money & food off american Tables.
April 11, 2008

9:55 a.m.

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Squatch writes:

Was this gangster and Illegal? If not then we should give him crap not his color or ethnicity.
April 11, 2008

10:01 a.m.

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American100 writes:

I have no problem with legals.

Hiring legals does NOT encourage illegals to come here.

I'm well known amongst my crews for being outwardly against illegal immigration.

If they're here legally, they have every right to work towards prosperity, just as I have done.
April 11, 2008

10:48 a.m.

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Heidi writes:

GWM, I agree. If I was planning to live in a different country (legally), I would try to learn the language first. I would not expect that country to pay for translators for me. How is that justified? And why would I want to make it any harder on myself?
April 11, 2008

1:31 p.m.

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redwhiteandBLUE writes:

American 100,
I'd rather have Lot's of Cuban restaurants serving ropa vieja, and Cuban sandwiches, and frijoles moros and a lil cup of espresso coffee. There's too much of the same thing, all over. Nothing Cuban. I've never heard anyone say that America hated Cuba or Cubans.(??)
April 11, 2008

2:01 p.m.

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American100 writes:

Thanks fyi098 - There is a place called CUBA CUBA in Denver that has a menu that serves cubanish food.

They had good cuban coffee & my wife and our friends loved the mojitos (a little too much).

I have relatives who own restaurants in Miami and they are considering coming here to do the same. I hope so.
April 11, 2008

4:29 p.m.

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American100 writes:

I just pulled this off of Tina Griego's latest column. Mexicans wonder why America has turned on them.

Here is an sample from the hispanic community. I pulled this from the mario solis marich blog :

"A battle is coming though, maybe not in my lifetime or my son’s. However if you think Mexican-Americans like myself will stand by and see our relatives get treated like dogs for much longer you are horribly wrong. Blood will be shed."

"Let’s get something straight the fat-cat politicians of Mexico put that together with the fat-cat’s of the United States. This land was robbed from the “real” Mexicans. I’ll say it again because it is going to be reality soon enough. The white man’s days of an english-speaking, racist southwest our over. WE are taking our land back!!! We are going to be here legal or “illegal” no matter what white America thinks. You didn’t say where you stood on immigration but I think its safe to assume you are like those Minutemen who think they can run us out of our own land. The harm rather than doing good is harm towards Minutemen and people like yourself. Yeah I’m talking physical. A battle is brewing and before you know it you anti-Mexican white people are going to have more than picket signs to worry about. Instead you’ll have former military like myself with AR-15’s willing to die for the cause."

"you are one of these white guys who says those “Mexicans” are coming over stealing our jobs, stealing our benefits and need to be deported. Well I want to say to you that, YOU should be scared and upset man, WE (meaning Mexican-Americans) are the going to be the majority in my children’s lifetime and there is nothing that the United States can do about it. Let’s get something straight, Mexico was robbed of what is present day California, New Mexico, Texas, Arizona, COLORADO, and even part of Wyoming. WE are going to take what is ours back, whether by peaceful and political means which I hope we can do or by FORCE!! This is not some wild “Mexican” dream I am speaking about but a reality. Look around and see how many people are speaking Spanish, candidates “NEEDING” the Latino vote. So I totally understand why you are scared and think that we should deport illegal aliens. However, you can’t deport people from land that is theirs. ALL THE SOUTHWEST BELONGS TO MEXICANS WHETHER THEY ARE AMERICAN OR NOT!! So continue to worry because I know this is what the ignorant “white” America is doing right now, but know their isn’t a damn thing you can do about it but blog or go join your commrades as a Minuteman. Socialism is on the rise and maybe I or someone like me will bring it to the forefront of US politics. ”""
April 11, 2008

5:06 p.m.

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Appalachian writes:

I love how this started out as a humorous post and now it's nothing but a pack of small-minded racists screaming about the color of a man's skin and how long he's been in America... Truly the ignorant have come out in full-force.

Hey, Amer100, for what it's worth, I think it's people like you who make this a great nation. I hope some day soon I will have children and I hope they grow up with the same solid character you have.

As for the naysayers:

Internet + anonymous posting + no education = idiot. If you wouldn't say it to your neighbor, your mother, and your child, saying over the 'net doesn't make you a brave man. It makes you a coward.
April 11, 2008

5:57 p.m.

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American100 writes:

Thanks Appalachian
April 12, 2008

9:11 a.m.

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wybadger writes:

With all the talk about illegals and Mexicans, I just have to say this. More than a few years ago I worked for the Census Bureau. I interviewed in areas that had many illegal Mexicans and I interviewed in areas that had many Mexicans that had been born here. After than experience, I believe that the illegals are hard-working, mostly honest people who just want a better life for themselves and their children. I found that the ones who were born here are the ones who feel they are 'owed' something and are willing to sit around waiting for it. It's pretty screwed up, but its what I found out after talking to both groups. As far as this set of parents are concerned, they are both wacked and I hope that the child gets the better life that it deserves. Its not the child fault who its parents are.
April 12, 2008

10:46 a.m.

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xxyxxyz writes:

Ok,, i see people here doing nothing but judging,, judging hispanics, whites, etc.. i will refrain from saying what nationality i'm from,, but i will say i grew up in a family of six kids, my dad ran from us before i reached the 3rd grade,, my mom raised us working night jobs,, she spent alot of time in bars, what is really ironnic is we grew up in a middle class environment thanks to my grand parents who paid our living expenses from out of state. but they were out of state noone to teach us,, no birthday parties,, no toys and alot of times no food. i managed to graduate high school even though i spent most of my young yrs, in JDC ,, and smoking weed and ditching school,, i'm still struggling to make a good life i live good but i'm not satisfied i'm hungry to achieve success, i found jesus he saved me now i don't worry and i don't judge others,, you don't know who they are,, you don't know anything about their parents,, or grandparents,, i feel really sorry for all the racist here i'm not judging i'll let God do that,, and for the media,, good luck with yor story i hope u win the pullitzer for this ,, again not judging i will pray for the kids, the parents ,,the ignorance and everything else ppl say and do to make there selves look good instead of helping eachother...Attitude reflects leadership Captian !!!

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xxyxxyz writes:

another thing i want to say,, how do u know the parents are in gangs????? OLSONMT?? u must know the mom right??? how do u know ,, you don't know,, are u like Bill Clinton??? didn't inhail?? didn't have relations with that woman?? how do u know she don't have other kids that are drug and gang free, and going to school,, how do u know if the mom is sick,, or if the dad is even around>??? exactly you don't know,, that's all people do now days is live on if's and butts.... maybe these kids have no direction,, maybe noone has the cahones,, t oman-up and help them,, maybe they are afraid,, but don't have a problem posting here??? If your not helping your hurting... If you don't care the nwho does?? look in the mirror b-4 u judge others,, let those who ar ewithout sin cast the first stone,, have u guys not learned anything after hunreds of yrs of history repeating itself,, we always get the same results and wonder why nothing changes,, when we as a society make the same mistakes we get the same results ...
April 14, 2008

10:57 a.m.

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CitizenW writes:

MrsA100,

You crack me up! Get that man some theraflu and put him back to WORK! ;-)
April 14, 2008

4:21 p.m.

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RightOn writes:

Sheeze a few hours unsupervised and he starts a race war...WITH HIS OWN RACE. I dunno.
April 16, 2008

12:38 p.m.

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jezebelrose writes:

Funny how this couple will continue to have custody of their child whereas a loving, intelligent and successful homosexual couple cannot adopt in many places.

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Dad arrested after dispute over which gang right for baby

Mom tells police she, ex-boyfriend could not agree

By Bill Scanlon, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)

Published April 10, 2008 at 12:05 a.m.

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