Illegal immigrant rises from dead, wins $1.5M in suit

By Alan Gathright, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)

Published December 19, 2007 at 12:30 a.m.
Updated December 19, 2007 at 7:20 a.m.

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December 18, 2007

4:59 p.m.

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American100 writes:

The illegals just keep costing us and costing us.
December 18, 2007

5:04 p.m.

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vudumom writes:

He was probably sick when he entered this country illegally.So tax payers have to pay for his medical bills and money for him to live on. Deport this man and the rest of them back to Mexico. The settlement should have an admendment that once deported if he steps foot back into the U.S. he forfeits the money. If he has spent the money he serves a jail sentence of 30 years minimum.
December 18, 2007

5:32 p.m.

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American100 writes:

US Immigration Naturalization
4730 Paris St, Denver, CO 80239

(303) 371-5606

Make the call.
December 18, 2007

5:38 p.m.

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reddog writes:

I for one am sick of these kind of stories, why wasn't he just deported back to wherever he came from along with the sickness he probably brought with him?
December 18, 2007

6:03 p.m.

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American100 writes:

The Department of Homeland Security still doesn’t have a way to report illegal aliens over the internet. But the Federal Bureau of Investigation does!

Thanks to a recent delegation of authority by Attorney General John Ashcroft to the FBI Director, all Special Agents of the FBI now have the power to enforce immigration law.

So send your internet tips to the FBI on https://tips.fbi.gov/ or contact them the old-fashioned way, by calling or writing one of the FBI field offices.

US Immigration Naturalization
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(303) 371-5606
December 18, 2007

6:08 p.m.

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Fancy_chance writes:

I was born and raised in the Denver area and it never ceases to amaze me just how racist the people of Colorado have become. Most of your ancestors did not come from North America, hence, your families immigrated here. Now you want to call yourselves Americans simply because your ancestors came over and decimated people and cultures who were already here. In case you don't remember places like Colorado, California, etc already had Hispanics living there. In fact some of the people you want to deport probably had ancestors born here before your ancestors even came over. They didn't cross the border it crossed them. You people should be ashamed of yourselves and you lack of humanity towards others. No wonder I came north to get away from the "Hitler" attitudes of people who moved to Colorado. You racist people have ruined the state more than any "illegals" ever could. Hope you guys don't consider yourselves fine upstanding Christians. It's you people that should be deported back to where your ancestors came from.
December 18, 2007

6:11 p.m.

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American100 writes:

My ancestors aren't milking society.

US Immigration Naturalization
4730 Paris St, Denver, CO 80239

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Report all businesses or people you think are here illegally.
December 18, 2007

6:13 p.m.

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American100 writes:

Like the former INS, the Department of Homeland Security still doesn’t have a way to report illegal aliens over the internet. But the Federal Bureau of Investigation does!

Thanks to a recent delegation of authority by Attorney General John Ashcroft to the FBI Director, all Special Agents of the FBI now have the power to enforce immigration law.

So send your internet tips to the FBI on https://tips.fbi.gov/ or contact them the old-fashioned way, by calling or writing one of the FBI field offices.
December 18, 2007

6:18 p.m.

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me2 writes:

What sickness did he have when he entered the country? Did he have TB?
December 18, 2007

6:24 p.m.

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Alive writes:

Wow, I got called a racist because I am tired of illegal immigration. Oh my! What ever shall I do?

"They didn't cross the border it crossed them." Hahahahahaha I love that one! Were they here in 1850? Hahahahahahahaha what a bunch maroons.
December 18, 2007

7:02 p.m.

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ozzy_osbourne_1979 writes:

We citizens are getting the the bill for someone who should not have been in this country in the first place!!!
December 18, 2007

7:09 p.m.

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American100 writes:

I would like to URGE all AMERICANS to call INS when ever you find an establishment who employs illegals (mexDonalds, Taco Bell, const co's, landscapers etc.)

The feds are obligated to file a report on all tips. US Immigration Naturalization
4730 Paris St, Denver, CO 80239

(303) 371-5606

OR REPORT ONLINE - send your internet tips to the FBI on https://tips.fbi.gov/ or contact them the old-fashioned way, by calling or writing one of the FBI field offices.
December 18, 2007

7:27 p.m.

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Fancy_chance writes:

Hey Alive, Yes they were here in 1850 and even before then so brush up on your history. You people act like it's only "illegals" who "take" from the system. I know a whole heck of alot of lazy and useless white people. According to the majority of Native Americans it your forefathers who are in this country illegally. How many buffalo and Native Americans did your forefathers slaughter and how many black slaves did your forefathers own all in the name of Freedom? I daresay if any one of you were in these "illegals" shoes and you were in proverty-sticken country wouldn't you try to go where you had a better opportunity for yourselves and your families - you know you would, anyway you could, so don't knock others for trying to do better. This country in reality belongs to the Native Americans, both of Indian and Hispanic blood, not to people who ancestors came from somewhere else, even if it was 200+ years ago.
December 18, 2007

7:31 p.m.

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American100 writes:

The feds are obligated to file a report on all tips. US Immigration Naturalization
4730 Paris St, Denver, CO 80239

(303) 371-5606

OR REPORT ONLINE - send your internet tips to the FBI on https://tips.fbi.gov/ or contact them the old-fashioned way, by calling or writing one of the FBI field offices.
December 18, 2007

8:37 p.m.

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joe writes:

Don't forget fancy_chance, that so-called "Native Americans" came from somewhere else too. The only reason they are called "Native," is because those called that were born here before any one else history can recall.

Indian tribes moved where they wanted to, and if they had to kill off all male members of another tribe and enslave the women and children in order to settle down in a placed they fancied for a while, well, that just wasn't a problem to them. Indian tribes fought Mexican immigrants for centuries before White people entered the fray. Unfortunately for the Indians, both the Mexicans and Whites had better weapons and other technology that allowed them to overcome the resistance, just as the Indians had overcome any resistance to their moving in long before. Unfortunately for the Mexicans, the Whites had (and continue to have) better weapons.

So don't come off all high and mighty about Indians, they were no better and slightly worse, than people today. The United States is a sovereign nation with every right to allow people in that it wants, and keep people out it doesn't want. Right now, Americans don't want illegal immigrants here, period!
December 18, 2007

8:56 p.m.

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jr writes:

well fancy if you like them so much and feel
sorry for them why dont you get a big bus and load
them in it and go back to mexico with them
plenty of people here to help you they are not wanted here
end of story
December 18, 2007

9:07 p.m.

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LS writes:

fancy_chance quoted: Yes they were here in 1850 and even before then so brush up on your history.

Hogwash! In case you aren't aware of your history or geography for that matter, the Spanish interbred and with native people already living in the area as they traveled, conquered and stole their "heathen" ways from them. The Mexican culture is largely intermixed with Spain. The language, surnames and Catholic religion especially are mainstream Mexican. I don't know a single Mexican person that is not affected by this in some way and neither do you. Where do you think the Spanish language comes from? Mexico? Spain is a European country. Nearly all Hispanic people would be forced to claim ancestry from Europe even in some small amount, and no doubt the DNA evidence would be overwhelming.

The "go back to Europe" argument is pointless and stupid. It is every bit as racist as the reverse. Lines on maps move all the time, all over the world. People are conquered, the US defeated Mexico, just as Cortez defeated the native people before it. It is ignorant to site changes in boundaries as an excuse for people to cross here and take what they haven’t earned. That “I was here first” diatribe is worthless and probably not entirely true.

The European and Hispanic ancestors that immigrated here legally after your borders were so inconveniently moved, followed the rules that were set out for the intention of building a great and free society. They were interested, motivated and pleased to become American citizens and openly contribute to it. African ancestors that were forced here and others that have also legally immigrated here after the fact, have also been an integral part of that system whether for better or for worse over the course of time. It is those that want to steal from it that leave such a bad taste in so many people’s mouths.

My grandmother in Oklahoma is full-blood Texas Detsanayuka Comanche as was my deceased mother. My grandfather died during the Korean conflict fighting for the U.S. My family had every right to bemoan how badly our people were treated through history. They could have easily raised my brother and I as downtrodden individuals, put down by white people, land stolen from us. But we are better than that. We still keep what traditions are meaningful to us (I am a "heathen," imagine that) and I use the sweat lodge in the yard often.

This battle is fruitless and only serves to alienate those who feel they have a right to be here because of old lines on a map. Let it go. If you aren't here legally, you should leave and re-apply. It is really that simple.
December 19, 2007

4:01 a.m.

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JanetP writes:

"Wow, I got called a racist because I am tired of illegal immigration. Oh my! What ever shall I do?"

Congratulate yourself. When one resorts to crying racism it is an absolute admission that the argument has been lost on all other grounds.
December 19, 2007

6:35 a.m.

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December 19, 2007

6:46 a.m.

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Mtnsjohn writes:

"Winning a lawsuit" makes it sound like a jury decided this issue. Instead, this was a settlement probably forced by an insurance company that weighed the cost of settling and having the issue go to court. Economics sometimes trumps justice, and Park County officials most certainly have their "side of the story" but are prohibited by the agreement from presenting it. Of the 1.5 million judgement, how much are Carranza-Reyes' attorneys making?

The fault of this tragedy lies with our elected leaders in Washington giving away the country and doing nothing about illegal immigration, and employers who wink and nod at the Law to pay lower wages to those they know are here illegally. Cut off the ready supply of jobs by vigorously prosecuting offender employers, prohibit anchor babies, stop welfare payments to those here illegally, start deporting, and walls will not have to be built.
December 19, 2007

8:45 a.m.

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GWBushwacked writes:

Well, I work in a drug/alcohol rehab funded by all of your tax dollars. The cost is about $3000 per stay which lasts 3-5 days(and more $ if they stay longer). Interesting, is that 80% of these people are white and homeless and many from fairly well to do families(but why pay for rehab when the government will). They also want free medical care(which they get) and free dental care-ever seen the mouth of a heroin or crystal meth addict ? And the most interesting part is that I have yet to see one illegal immigrant there and I have been there two years. I have seen some these people in and out 5-6 times per year(especially now-it's cold outside)-there is no real limit on how many times you can come in. So think again that about all the illegal immigrants soaking up all your tax dollars. And guess what ? If we housed any of them in crowded, filthy rooms and they got sick-but wait a minute- most of them come in sick- they would sue because that is guaranteed drug money for the rest of their life.

Point is, I do not care. My role is to help people.
December 19, 2007

8:50 a.m.

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fiesty writes:

fancy_chance, your argument is sheer BS and completely irrelevant. While we can learn from injustices committed in the past, it is no reason to excuse law-breakers today because their ancestors were victimized. Unlike before, we are now a nation of justice and laws.

This is a sad case. We don't know whether or not this man was sick before his arrest; either way, the taxpayers end up paying for it, when they would never have had to if he hadn't entered the country illegally. However, that is no excuse if the described conditions actually existed. That's appalling, and no one deserves that.
December 19, 2007

8:55 a.m.

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American100 writes:

I am SO glad to see so much anti-illegal sentiment on this page.

It's time to throw political correctness out the window and start watching out for AMERICA!!!

GWBushwacked: Don't care how many white homeless Americans you treat. They're Americans and ENTITLED to the care. For someone who says "Point is, I do not care. My role is to help people." you could fool me. You sound like to resent the white Americans in your program. Maybe you should look for a job in Mexico.
December 19, 2007

9:08 a.m.

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Francesca writes:

Hey Bushwacked, I think you've missed the point. You are comparing apples to oranges. Commendable that you work in that field but your comment, including the dental condition of crack and meth addicts' mouths, has nothing to do with this story. Drug rehab is a whole 'nuther mess altogether.

The feds have paid most of Carranza-Reyes' $1 million medical bill already. Which means we have already paid big bux for his medical care. This dude has more than soaked up ample tax dollars and is asking for even more. His attorneys (NOTE that is plural and they expect to be paid for their efforts) wrote that the financial settlement is for the man who remains financially desperate, unemployed, and in desperate need of medical care. So send him back to Mexico where he can recover, and probably retire in great comfort in his third world country and afford medical care down there with his taxpayer-funded settlement.

As far as the jail conditions, yes that would be deplorable if true. But honestly, Mexican jails are far worse. Good thing he didn't commit a crime in his own country because for sure he wouldn't have lived through it and the Mexican gov't. sure wouldn't have rolled over and given his family huge amounts of money. If this guy's father was a legal immigrant of this country, how come his whelps didn't make the effort to come here legally also, if even on work visas? Then he wouldn't have ended up in this situation in the first place.
December 19, 2007

9:09 a.m.

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usmcjetjock writes:

The most important message I can send to everyone on this page is to demand action from our politically inept legislators in Washington. IN LESS THAN A YEAR WE HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO ELECT A NEW LEADERSHIP FOR THIS COUNTRY. DEMAND A CANDIDATE ENFORCE OUR BORDERS. DON'T ELECT A DEMOCRAT AND MAKE SURE THE REPUBLICAN IS A TRUE CONSERVATIVE!! We are all tired of this issue, the headlines all say this is one of the top issues people want solved but if you watch the debates it's only casually talked about. The candidates are not listening to the people, it's time to make them listen!! Write to the cadidate you are thinking of supporting, get his viewpoint, give him yours!! Notice I said him and his.
December 19, 2007

9:19 a.m.

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American100 writes:

I would like to URGE all AMERICANS to call INS when ever you find an establishment who employs illegals (mexDonalds, Taco Bell, const co's, landscapers etc.).

The feds are obligated to file a report on all tips. US Immigration Naturalization
4730 Paris St, Denver, CO 80239

(303) 371-5606

OR REPORT ONLINE - send your internet tips to the FBI on https://tips.fbi.gov/ or contact them the old-fashioned way, by calling or writing one of the FBI field offices.
December 19, 2007

9:43 a.m.

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gwats writes:

My very nice neighbor and his family moved out of his home about 3 weeks ago, I suspect that his mortgage adjusted up on him, making the house too expensive. In his place, about 10 adults and at least three kids are living in a house designed for a maximum of 5 people. If I call the housing authority in my City and code enforcement for the overcrowding and the 6 cars in front of their house , does that make me a racist? I don't think so!
I don't know what the conditions are in the house, but it is not a healthy environment for kids. They have a pickup truck up against my fence with no plates. It could be stolen. The fact that these people are Hispanic means Zip to me. The fact that they are living like animals means trouble will be coming over that fence eventually. THAT I care about.
December 19, 2007

9:58 a.m.

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jay045 writes:

1) First point: Most are more than happy to take advantage of cheap labor, even those who are strident against undocumented immigrants. You can keep reposting that link, and yes, maybe some poor kid who works at Taco Bell will get deported. But when it's really cheap labor, even our "leaders" against immigration are busted.

- Tom Tancredo didn't question why the company that remodeled his basement was so affordable; later he expressed outrage that the company had used illegal immigrants on the job, but denied any responsibility.

- Mitt Romney, who was eager to give the landscaping company a "second chance" even after it was busted for using illegals, and then acted shocked when they were busted again.

2) The second point is every one of you would be clamoring to illegally cross the border if you lived in the kind of poverty that those crossing the border live in. I'm not talking about all of Mexico, but there are some areas where people will walk miles to sell scraps of wood for a few cents, and where their only option to make a better life is crossing the border. If it was a decision between your children going hungry and crossing the border, what would you do?
December 19, 2007

9:59 a.m.

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crazyworld writes:

Fancy_chance, L S said it well. Perhaps you should take your argument to the Mexican government that treats Guatamalans coming illegally into Mexico for work with horrible cruelty. Guatamalans want the jobs that Mexicans won't take. Mexico treats its people so bad that they have a labor shortage because Mexicans are fleeing Mexico. I've met illegals and legals. None of them want to live in Mexico anymore.
December 19, 2007

10:04 a.m.

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DonaldMcRonald writes:

America100,

"It's time to throw political correctness out the window and start watching out for AMERICA"

Hahahahaha. Not too sure what school you attended, but last time I checked there were multiple countries in 'America'. Can you count past 100, America100?
December 19, 2007

11:32 a.m.

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pamelaw writes:

Once again, this country will shell out millions to illegal aliens and refuse to give proper medical care to our own VETERNS. This government and pro-illegal activists just make you want to vomit.
December 19, 2007

11:39 a.m.

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fiesty writes:

PMSXpress- whether or not he would have received worse treatment in Mexico is meaningless. There's no excuse for it happening HERE.
December 19, 2007

11:39 a.m.

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fireside1942 writes:

It is indeed unfortunate how much anti european and anti Christian bigotry and racism there is from posters like fancy_chance and GWbushwacked. Making immigration safe for women and children and environmentally responsible is more important.

We must make sure that immigration is safe and legal.
December 19, 2007

11:41 a.m.

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fiesty writes:

Pamelaw- I have stated the exact same thing on other blogs, and got called a "racist warmongerer". As a disabled veteran who can't get good care in a timely manner, I find it a sad statement of our priorities.
December 19, 2007

11:56 a.m.

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American100 writes:

Not worried about legal immigrant ronaldmexdonald. The best thing for America is to rid ourselves of dead weight.

US Immigration Naturalization
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December 19, 2007

12:37 p.m.

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Francesca writes:

Sure feisty, I agree with you. Just saying in Mexico he wouldn't be made a millionaire because of their low standards, like has happened here. Aren't we so nice and generous in this country? No wonder so many want to live here at any cost (to legal citizens). So you think he should be allowed to stay here because of the mistreatment? It wouldn't have happened at all had he not been arrested from coming here illegally. Though his experience has exposed appalling conditions at that jail which was a good thing (for everyone). Not sure where you are going with your statement. Please explain. Are you supporting illegal immigration?
December 19, 2007

1:15 p.m.

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ab623 writes:

American 100, Joe, Jr, LS, JanetP, and forwhatitis, you are all sick in the head and I feel sorry for you because you have been corrupted by EVIL!
December 19, 2007

1:45 p.m.

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fiesty writes:

PMXpress- nope, I am totally against illegal immigration. As posted earlier, his unfortunate experience is not an excuse to treat him any different. I was just highlighting that the comparison to Mexico's prisons is irrelevant.
December 19, 2007

2:06 p.m.

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American100 writes:

Imagine, if you dare, what America would be like if left to "Native Americans" and Mexicans.

We'd just be a bigger version of that mess to the South.
December 19, 2007

2:08 p.m.

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soccer_mama writes:

I can't wait for the time to come when illegal immigration is no longer the "hot topic". This seems to come around as often as any other bad trend.
The problem here is that someone other than a citizen of this country is making out like a bandit. Nevermind that he lost his leg, and all of the other sad things that have happened to him, the only focus seems to be his legal (or lack there of) status. Why isn't anyone outraged at the condition of this jail? Why isn't anyone upset about that? Oh, that's right, because it wasn't Taylor Smith who was hurt, it was just some illegal who shouldn't have been here anyway.
The thing you all have to remember is that people from all over the world travel here illegally everyday. That has been the case for many, many, many years. It isn't going to stop.
December 19, 2007

2:25 p.m.

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soccer_mama writes:

One more note, why all the talk about "all the money we spend on illegal immigrants?" What is everyone referreing to? And what does that have to do w/ Vets not having health care? Some of these blogs are so off the mark, it's kind of funny to read.
1.) He shouldn't have been here, I get that.
2.) Does he deserve the money? Maybe-I'm not sure.
3.) I don't think he should be given the right to stay here. He should have to go through all the proper steps to be here, like everyone else.
To the "mexdonalds" comments, really? In order for them to work there, they must have provided legal docs, meaning they can work here in the States, you have a problem w/ that too? Is there a winning solution here?
December 19, 2007

2:27 p.m.

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Quagmate writes:

This issue MUST be dealt with non-emotionally, but it seems no one can have a logical conversation anymore. He was here illegally, illegal means against the law, but he was also treated poorly while a detainee. Pay his medical bills and then deport him. It's that simple.

The water gets muddy when people start using nice inflammatory words like; exploited, poor, stolen, robbed, savages, racist, slavery, etc and a host of other words that really have no place in the immigration vernacular.

It's not that there aren't jobs here for Mexicans or anyone else; it's the immigration system that is the problem.

What astonishes me is the tax implications that are NEVER discussed or brushed aside. The reason employers and illegal’s work is because there are no taxes. Considering how diligent the IRS is about taxes and the amount of money that would come pouring in it mystifies me why the Legislative branch doesn’t do something. You don’t need to raise taxes to cover the illegal immigrant if they are paying taxes.

Another point overlooked is the flat tax (or consumption tax) would actually tax anybody who purchased anything. A flat tax would assure that Illegal’s or otherwise would be paying taxes and therefore would be contributing to Schools and Medical care. Income tax is an insane way to tax, but a simple flat tax from the federal government would cure this and many other ills.

Oh well, I’ll go back to my imaginary world where people actually think before they speak.
December 19, 2007

2:29 p.m.

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Liberal_but_not_Bleeding writes:

to jay045 - there are citizens of this country going hungry, citizens going without, citizens needing help. If they choose to try to remedy the situation by breaking the law and get caught they go to jail. This is no different. If they are here illegally by definition they are breaking the law and should pay the price. If the situation in their own country is that bad they need to band together in their own country and fix it.
December 19, 2007

2:50 p.m.

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Western_Sky writes:

Oh. Okay soccer mama. You just squeeze your eyes shut real tight hon and hope for it all to go away. Just pretend it doesn't affect you or your soccer kids or your soccer friends.

Of the low volume of comments that directly address the jail issue, most appear to concur about the bad conditions in Park County. Your comments contradict each other however. First you complain about an illegal making out like a bandit then a few sentences later you remark about illegals coming and that it isn't going to stop (and it seems that you are of the attitude that we should all accept it?). It can be curtailed if you stop your hand-wringing and laments of why can't it just go away -- and buck it up and be a part of the solution... instead of wishing for it to no longer be a hot topic.

Geeeesh... don't you have to go wash your minivan or something?

Fiesty, thinking back about the Canadian that suffered so mightily in a fetid, disgusting Mexican jail a few years ago. Imagine him trying to sue the Mexican government for his pain and injuries. Weren't there other people in that jail with him and how did they fare? Are they also going to come forth and sue now you think?
December 19, 2007

2:54 p.m.

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Western_Sky writes:

Quagmate, excellent thoughts on the tax observations. And you're so right about the flat tax as opposed to the onerous income taxes -- that can be so easily beaten by those that can afford to shelter their money.
December 19, 2007

3:11 p.m.

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Barron writes:

"Posted by usmcjetjock on December 19, 2007 at 9:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The most important message I can send to everyone on this page is to demand action from our politically inept legislators in Washington. IN LESS THAN A YEAR WE HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO ELECT A NEW LEADERSHIP FOR THIS COUNTRY. DEMAND A CANDIDATE ENFORCE OUR BORDERS. DON'T ELECT A DEMOCRAT AND MAKE SURE THE REPUBLICAN IS A TRUE CONSERVATIVE!! We are all tired of this issue, the headlines all say this is one of the top issues people want solved but if you watch the debates it's only casually talked about. The candidates are not listening to the people, it's time to make them listen!! Write to the cadidate you are thinking of supporting, get his viewpoint, give him yours!! Notice I said him and his."

I can't WAIT to vote for the next Democratic president. In case you hadn't noticed, your current president isn't interested in addressing the illegal immigrant situation. He caters to big business. All they are interested in is making money via cheap (slave) labor, and THEY are the ones he wants to appease, not all of you bamboozled anti-immigrant cretins who probably voted for him.
December 19, 2007

3:22 p.m.

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soccer_mama writes:

I drive an SUV, and it's clean, thank you.
I'm simply stating that immigration isn't going to stop, that is a fact. My parents both came here illegally from Mexico, they are now both citizens of this great County, and thanks to them we are all living the "American Dream". I do think that there has to be some solution to the illegal entry into this country BY ALL, the focus always seems to be on illegalls from MX, I worked for Social Services for 8 years, let me tell you, they/we are the last of your worries when it comes to milking this city of tax dollars.
December 19, 2007

3:32 p.m.

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reddog writes:

soccer_mama, goooo home and take your parents with you.
December 19, 2007

3:43 p.m.

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soccer_mama writes:

reddog: Go home and take my parents with me? How very adult of you. Don't get upset because I have the luxury of living a great a life and I was able to make something of myself and my kids from a dream that my parents had in Mexico.
Home to my and my parents is Grant Ranch, Love it there! Thanks!
December 19, 2007

3:49 p.m.

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Bradley writes:

We can only hope the illegal has to use the 1.5 million to pay the hospital bill! I was searching the web for Colorado immigration laws and ran into this article. Visit http://www.deadfacts.com for more
on what we are dealing with in Arizona. We have about 500,000 illegals in maricopa county Az.
December 19, 2007

3:50 p.m.

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reddog writes:

So in your mind its ok to build a "Great Life" based on an illeagal act. Thats like saying I murdered someone and it made me a better person. Give me a break
December 19, 2007

3:59 p.m.

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soccer_mama writes:

The fact that my parents initially came here illegally over 30 years ago is a moot point, they have gone through the proper channels and have rectified that. Hell they vote, pay taxes, and make a very good living. I don't see what the problem is with that. And the fact that I was born in the States is a problem why?
The fact that I've made a great life for myself is a problem why?
Murder and entering the country illegally-hmmm, not smart enough to come up w/ a better analogy? How about trying a little harder next time?!
Are you upset w/ me because I am living the dream? Are you upset that my parents made a very good life for themselves? Are you upset that although they did break the law, they have since taken care of that. I'm trying to get what your issue is.
December 19, 2007

4:01 p.m.

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American100 writes:

The issue is we are paying out 1.5 million to an illegal who can't prove he wasn't sick when he got here.

The point is AMERICANS are sick and tired of footing the bill and being expected to accomodate these unwelcome 'guests'.
December 19, 2007

4:09 p.m.

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soccer_mama writes:

Who says that he wasn't healty? Who says that he can't prove it?
I get the anger, I really do.
What I don't get is why keep making comments about "all the money spent on illegals" footing what bill(s)?
This is the first major award of money I've ever seen be given to an illegal.
In case you don't know this, illegal immigrants are not elligible for food stamps, medicaid or cash assistance. You know who is? Refugees-automatic for 7 years. Talk about footing a bill!
December 19, 2007

4:14 p.m.

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American100 writes:

I just got a letter from the IRS saying that 3 of the 1099's I submitted for subcontractors are false. So Pedro, Telma & Juan are using fake SS #'s. That's how. And don't forget the dough they get for the anchor babies.

Ok...you asked for it soccermama:

US Immigration Naturalization
4730 Paris St, Denver, CO 80239

(303) 371-5606

OR REPORT ONLINE - send your internet tips to the FBI on https://tips.fbi.gov/ or contact them by calling or writing one of the FBI field offices.
December 19, 2007

4:36 p.m.

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Francesca writes:

Soccer_mama, you don't get it. My spouse works in the ER at a major hospital in Denver. There are many, many non-English speaking individuals of hispanic descent that use the ER as a convenient place to have throat cultures and minor non-emergency procedures done. That is very expensive and yes those bills add up into the millions of $.

Okay, okay American100, we get your message.
December 19, 2007

4:38 p.m.

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Francesca writes:

soccer_mama (i.e. anchor baby),

Nobody said immigration was going to stop. Nobody said immigration should stop. Immigrants built this country into a successful and desireable place to live and there are plenty of legal hispanics along with the rest of those in our history that are thankfully a part of what all of us enjoy today. You have it in your head that all immigrants are legal citizens by your definition, but you are pathetically mistaken. You have a great life because somebody put it there for you, not because your parents had any part in it, that's for sure!

ILLEGAL immigration should be stopped in its tracks. There are people here criminally from all over the world true, but those illegals aren't demanding we speak "their" bastardized European language, fly and respect their flag in many cases above our own, and lower our standards (i.e. Denver Public School curriculum) to meet theirs.

Mexico by definition means social failure to those up north. The US is moving corporations down there at a furious rate and the government STILL can’t take advantage of the economic boost to make things better for the people there. I don't blame Mexicans for wanting to come here, and personally I don’t have a problem with it. I believe that they should apply for work visas from home to earn the right, work an honest living for a decent wage without hiding in dark corners and using stolen identities, pay their full share of taxes/social security, learn the common language of the ENTIRE country. No matter how rudimentary the skills may be, with practice all things improve if the motivation and desire is there. Spanish is fine in your own community and circle of family and friends, but make an effort to integrate, not segregate with the outside functioning world, otherwise you are viewed as racist and separatist. In other words, an outsider. And people are naturally suspicious and disliking of outsiders, it is human nature. Pledge allegiance to this country to live here legally. You boast about your great life. Your life is great at Grant Ranch because somebody put it there for you. Probably an immigrant. Can you say thank you, por favor?
December 19, 2007

5:02 p.m.

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marge writes:

Regardless of when he got sick, if he was gangrenous when he got to the hospital, someone messed up at the jail. legs black with gangrene are not something which should have been missed if he had had this problem when he was arrested, strip searched and put into jail clothes. ignoring someone shaking with fever is an unfortunate truth in far too many county jails, but usually it is gotten away with and the person is no worse for wear or doesn't realize any lasting impairment. The counties continue medical neglect for legal citizens AND undocumented workers and that is a crime which should be looked at.

I don't make comparasons to other countries' jails and medical treatment. This is the US where prisoners are supposed to be treated with dignity, fed and medical issues cared for. That this didn't happen is a black eye on all of us. Remember county jails especially contain people who have not been convicted or a crime and may well be innocent. they should be treated as such at a minimum and as we would all want ourselves to be treated in a similar situation
December 19, 2007

5:04 p.m.

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American100 writes:

Maybe if he could speak english he would have been able to commuicate his condition to someone...
December 19, 2007

5:11 p.m.

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reddog writes:

soccer_mama What part of "Illeagal" are you having trouble wraping your mind around?
December 19, 2007

6:01 p.m.

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LS writes:

Wow, this has been a busy place today.

First of all to soccer_mama, to answer some of your points from your post of 2:25:

1.) He shouldn't have been here, I get that.

Bravo! Most people have that in agreement.

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2.) Does he deserve the money? Maybe-I'm not sure.

No, I don't think he deserves anything beyond doing what it takes to heal him properly then send him packing. His huge medical bills have been and probably continue to be paid. We don't owe him or his lawyers a monetary apology.

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3.) I don't think he should be given the right to stay here. He should have to go through all the proper steps to be here, like everyone else.

The proper steps like everyone else? Seriously! Hello?! You contradict yourself because you've admitted that your parents came here illegally. And gave you such opportunity here in the land where you are living the dream? So in your view they shouldn't be given that right either. Think before write, as now your points are no longer valid.

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To the "mexdonalds" comments, really? In order for them to work there, they must have provided legal docs, meaning they can work here in the States, you have a problem w/ that too? Is there a winning solution here?

I don't like that phrase either. But I don't buy food at McDonalds, so I don't let it ruin my day. (Better to feed yourself and your kids whole, nutritious foods anyway.) Do you know how easy it is to present forged legal docs? I am not saying all those that work in the low end fast food industry are illegal, but I don't have my head up my ass either. Winning solution? Send those that are here without proper documentation/citizenship papers home and let them be willing to play by the rules that everyone else (including you, but not mommy and daddy) have to follow.

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American100, your post on 2:06

Imagine if I could, it would lot less crowded, for starters.

;-)

Have a good evening, all.
December 19, 2007

6:35 p.m.

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American100 writes:

Right On theQ. By the way, Americans can't buy land in Mexico but they can buy land here hmmm.......Mexico SUCKS
December 19, 2007

9:24 p.m.

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reddog writes:

Hear that soccer_mama?
December 19, 2007

10:12 p.m.

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minnyskinnie writes:

HAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA! You guys are hilarious. ANY person can be exposed to "strep throat" at any time, and in ANY place. I highly doubt that this man "brought" it with him from where he was. I bet that most of you idiots vacation in Mexico. Which make you huge racist BIGOTS. My GREAT, GREAT Grandfather came here in the 1890's and he worked every day of his life, he supported alot of the LAZY americans. HIS taxes paid for your parents/grandparents education, the food stamps that are making your wives and children fat, and the way that americans get a small scratch on their leg and run to the ER, then do not pay their bills. I guess that you might want to start shooting me down now. THE TRUTH HURTS, DON'T IT GRINGOS??
December 20, 2007

8:41 a.m.

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fiesty writes:

"One more note, why all the talk about "all the money we spend on illegal immigrants?" What is everyone referreing to? And what does that have to do w/ Vets not having health care?"

Soccer Mama, it IS relevant, because 1) funds spent on one area (illegal immigrants) are not available for other programs (vet health care), and 2) it is indicative of our priorities.

Further, you want to know about "all the money"? The latest estimates put it at over $20 BILLION. (http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer...) Do you know what that amount of money could accomplish if used in support of our disabled veterans, instead of being WASTED on law-breakers? Now, let me educate you on some of the obvious monetary costs for illegal immigrants ("all the money"):

1. There is the blatant and extreme medical costs. ERs have to treat everyone, regardless of ability to pay. There are hospitals that have had to close down, because of the vast number of illegal immigrants who were utilizing the ER as their source of medical care. I saw this first hand when living in San Pedro CA- I can't remember the name, but the hospital 6 blocks over had to close.

2. The cost of public education for illegal children, not to mention the elimination of school programs because they are only funded for the LEGAL children in the district.

3. Cost of bi-lingual publication and ESL programs. If English is our primary language, then why are we printing government forms in a foreign language? And why Spanish?

4. Incarceration and justice costs.

5. Lack of taxes from money paid "under the table".

That's just for starters! And what about some of the social costs:

1. Let's not forget the LEGAL citizens here who are victimized by the crime of identity theft, committed by illegal immigrants.

2. Crimes committed by illegal immigrants- that additional crimes would not have happened if those who are not supposed to be here weren't.

3. Victimization of the illegal immigrants themselves, since employers can take advantage of them due to their fear to go to the authorities.

4. Increase in racism and hate from those frustrated by the situation.

5. Injustice to those applicants in other countries who are LEGALLY following the immigrations laws and rules.

LEGAL immigration is needed for this country, by those dedicated to the idea of becoming Americans. We do NOT need illegal immigration by those who show no respect for us or our laws, and only view coming here in selfish terms of what they can gain.
December 20, 2007

8:43 a.m.

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fiesty writes:

"Which make you huge racist BIGOTS...THE TRUTH HURTS, DON'T IT GRINGOS??

minnieskinnie- um, who's the racist now?? or the hypocrite?

As far as the rest of your rant, it's not even relevant to the discussion, so I'm not going to bother.
December 20, 2007

8:48 a.m.

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Francesca writes:

Yes, all racist bigots vacation in Mexico. Did you actually read the preview to your post before you clicked the Post comment button, minny? But thinking about it, if people (from all over the world by the way) didn't spend leisure time and millions of dollars there, there would be even more people sneaking over here for work. So guess it's a darn good thing those racists and bigots are willing to travel down there, eh?

As far as your grandfather's taxes supporting education, if you'll go down Auraria and browse through the financial aid catalog, you'll quickly (well, maybe not so quickly in your case) see that nearly 95 percent of all tax-assisted financial aid is only offered to those considered minority, special needs or disabled status. Otherwise, most people finance their secondary educations via savings, wages, or student loans. But the way you've written your comment proves you probably never made it out of high school and therefore would not be fully aware of what it really takes to finance higher learning. And that IS the truth.
December 20, 2007

10:45 a.m.

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marge writes:

Leaving asside the immigration status, lets get back to why a jail neglected a prisoner's health so badly they darn near died and lost a leg, have muscle damage and nueropathy. Let's also discuss triple bunking and a lack of cleanliness in the facility. Had anyone of you been picked up for a DUI on a Friday with an outstanding traffic warrant at that time you could have been subjected to the same abusive environment. I expect you would want redress with the courts for damages as well. let's work on cleaning up an obviously corrupt jail system and protect all of us.
December 20, 2007

1:03 p.m.

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soccer_mama writes:

Oh man, people liked picking on me.
That's fine, bring it on.
Everyone seemed to loose track of the issue at hand. It seems that everyone in Denver is either an illegal immigrant or a racist.
I find it so funny how everyone is thrown into one category or the other.
Someone made a comment about seeing mexican mothers w/ 5 kids milking the system. What about when you see the same white or black woman with 5 kids, does it make you just as angry? Chances are they are on welfare, foodstamps and medicaid and housing.
Lets take a look at the projects in East Denver, what is the majority there? Lets look at the welfare roles in Aurora, in Jeffco, tell me who the majority is then!

About the grafitti (how this ties in I have yet to get it?!) I know that most kids getting caught "tagging" are white, guess they are the only stupid ones getting caught.

Gov't angencies have to post signs in the most popular languages, Spanish is among them, it's the law. Get over it.

Who said that Americans can't buy land in MX? I happen to know that there are MANY Americans who retire in MX. Where in God's name do people get their facts from?

So Mexicans who are here illegally go to the ER to have throat cultures done at the expense of us tax payers. Ok, you are telling me that good ol' whitey doesn't exploit the health care system either? Such crap!
December 20, 2007

1:06 p.m.

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soccer_mama writes:

To the Q, they treat you like an outsider? you poor baby, maybe if you worked on your people's skills "they" would be nicer to you.
I bet the problem starts w/ you, and that no one likes you, not just Hispanics.
December 20, 2007

5:51 p.m.

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American100 writes:

Soccer-mama - You're showing your bigotry AND your ignorance SHHHHH
December 20, 2007

5:54 p.m.

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American100 writes:

OH YES... I almost forgot...I've received messages from people who are actually calling the INS because of my posts...GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

US Immigration Naturalization
4730 Paris St, Denver, CO 80239

(303) 371-5606

OR REPORT ONLINE - send your internet tips to the FBI on https://tips.fbi.gov/ or contact them the old-fashioned way, by calling or writing one of the FBI field offices.
December 20, 2007

6:18 p.m.

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American100 writes:

Ignorance Soccermama- you can LEASE land in Mexico but not purchase it, IDIOT!!
December 20, 2007

6:58 p.m.

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marge writes:

i'm still wondering why we aren't addressing the root issue. Why was a person's health neglected to this level in a county jail in Colorado? Why would anyone consider this behaviour by the authorities to be an acceptable to treat another human being? shouldn't we all be shocked that ANY human was so poorly treated this way without having been convicted of any crime, and even if they had been, why would we want someone to suffer this way when prompt medical attention would have saved more than a leg?
December 20, 2007

7:58 p.m.

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Francesca writes:

Marge,

The question of why is because the county officials are hungry for the contract. Doesn't matter that they can't keep up with it What a busy place too, just full of all kinds of lawbreakers (and yes, the guy was not documented and that is a criminal act). Of course it was disgusting, but shocking? No. I think the media had done a pretty good job of hardening most folks these days. Wrong place at the right time I guess. Makes you wonder how many other county jails are just as bad.
December 20, 2007

8:37 p.m.

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American100 writes:

He was in jail because he was being held for committing the crime of crossing illegally. Our jails are over crowded in large part because of illegal aliens, and not for just being here. Lots of Mexican criminals are in our jails at our expense.
December 20, 2007

10:42 p.m.

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21survivor writes:

Soccer mamma you rule, all you racist bastards hope you need to go to the emergency room and a sicc illegal immigrant from europe is taking the last spot and you croak, american100, reddog, and theQ, this would only make sense if it happened to you
December 21, 2007

8:58 a.m.

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American100 writes:

I've NEVER known an illegal alien from europe. It's much easier to cross the Rio on someones shoulder's. Hence the expression WETBACKS.
December 21, 2007

11:41 a.m.

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21survivor writes:

Have you ever known any illegals at all american100? I guess you hate us so much it makes your face red. Hence the expression REDNECK
December 21, 2007

2:52 p.m.

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soccer_mama writes:

Amercian 100-I am smarter than you.....do a quick "google" search and you will find: http://www.mexonline.com/propmex.htm
Americans CAN OWN LAND in MX.
The fact that you have to resort to name calling lets me know that you are ignorant of having an adult conversation.
Why don't you get off of the INS website and join us in the real world.
December 21, 2007

5:41 p.m.

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BirdonaWire writes:

soccermama, glad you like Grant Ranch. What's the percentage of Spanish speaking parents over there? You're kids go there right? I guess that if you were living in my neighborhood, Sloan's Lake area, you'd see the negative effects everywhere. Go spend some time in a real DPS school and see what I'm talking about.
It's too bad that our jails would be in such squalid condition to cause this mess. Where are we, Mexico? Wait, don't answer that question
December 21, 2007

8:35 p.m.

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21survivor writes:

BirdonaWire why would she?, she made it, you haven't or is it the illegals fault you have to stay at sloan's lake, home is where the heart is, not where your race is at.
December 21, 2007

10:21 p.m.

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BirdonaWire writes:

Actually survivor, sloan's lake is one of the most desirable aras in Denver. Get rid of all the trash and it would be amazing. I'm doing very well thanks. No worries of mexicans taking my job. It requires the holder to be educated. English helps too.
Why should she? Because she's saying Mexican immigrants aren't taxing the economic and social environments. Good for her that she's done well. I just wonder how she would feel if her children's classes were full of immigrant children. Go spend some time and see how dumbed down schools have become around here.
December 22, 2007

12:33 p.m.

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Alive writes:

Importing 20 million uneducated RACISTS is great for America! Yes sir! Hell, let 'em all in. I am growing bored with being safe and having money anyway. Free for all! Come'n get it!
December 29, 2007

10:24 a.m.

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Bradley writes:

Like I said; ship'em out or make them legal. Simple: we are a nation of LAWS! My favorite site to on immigration: http://www.deadfacts.com
April 5, 2008

5:08 p.m.

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Shellyfish007 writes:

Racism is truly sickening.

How many of you are Christian?? Just a thought, What Would Jesus Do?

Also,
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to Justice everywhere." - Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

Just keep it in mind the next time something like this comes to your tongue:

"Posted by American100 on December 21, 2007 at 8:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I've NEVER known an illegal alien from europe. It's much easier to cross the Rio on someones shoulder's. Hence the expression WETBACKS.

Posted by 21survivor on December 21, 2007 at 11:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Have you ever known any illegals at all american100? I guess you hate us so much it makes your face red. Hence the expression REDNECK"

increase the peace guys
honestly
August 5, 2008

1:15 p.m.

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hispanic_and_proud writes:

Sweet and to the point. I'm not gonna talk about how Indians were here before Americans immigrated here, but in response to the racism i found on this site, first of all, in response to a comment made by a certain "American100" Quote: "The best thing for America is to rid ourselves of dead weight." Now here's what's wrong with that statement. Getting rid of the "dead weight" in this country would include getting rid of the WHITE people standing outside the freeway asking for money opposed to the illegal immigrants that actually stand there and SELL you something. Due to the fact that the U.S. is based on capitalism, employers have become increasingly dependent upon the cheap labor illegal immigrants provide for the country. These people stimulate our economy, and if you say we should get rid of them, maybe you should be taking into consideration if you would be willing to work the fields sun up to sunset in 100 degree weather, for sometimes less than minimum wage. No? Then don't complain. These people do the dirty work, living in the shadows, for they have no voice, being unable to vote, and not speaking up in fear of deportation. I for one, born here with Mexican parents proudly call myself Mexican. I deny being American before denying my people. I have nothing against any race, but its people like this, the ignorant ones that live in denial and refuse to accept the fact that we actually need these people that really piss me off.
October 24, 2008

9:51 p.m.

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dsty292 writes:

First of all, I would like to say that I really enjoyed reading this argument from the very beginning (yes, American100, we get it).

Second, most of everyone's arguments here seem either biased, null, or plain don't make sense. Facts are facts: whether or not this makes me racist, there is a problem of illegal immigration in the US.

To address arguments from both sides...
What is this about being christians or not? I can proudly say that I am a christian, but I do not support illegal immigration and the US was founded on the separation of church and state.

The whole native american deal: borders were not established when Native Americans roamed the continent. Therefore, there was no ILLEGAL immigration. All of it was legal, and it has made the world the way it is.

Taxpayers' dollars: People pay taxes every year to run hospitals, fund government programs, and have free primary and secondary education. With illegal aliens using these without paying taxes, they are essentially taking advantage of our taxpayers' money.

And finally, an argument of my own: none of this truly matters considering this is in the United States of America. We are a country of laws. If there is a law that forbids illegal immigration, then these illegal aliens are simply breaking one of our laws and must face the consequences. None of these arguments really matter, whether its about religion or racism or whatever. As long as a law is being broken, a consequence must be given. Without these consequences, society simply deteriorates.
As consolation to my opponents; if any of you change any laws about illegal immigration, then this immigration becomes legal and I will support it. It all depends on the current status quo of the United States.

If anyone is wondering why I am trying to offer an impartial view on this topic, it is because I am Asian and a naturalized citizen. I know hispanics and whites, and they all seem ok to me.

And please, don't call me a racist, redneck, or whatever you have in mind after you read this post.

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By Alan Gathright, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)

Published December 19, 2007 at 12:30 a.m.Updated December 19, 2007 at 7:20 a.m.

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